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Should this page be merged with Dwarf elephant?
-- Jarich 23:35, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
No, because the Dwarf elephant page isn't only referring to Stegodons. For example, the dwarf elephants that it refers to on Wrangel Island were mammoths, not Stegodons. The Singing Badger 00:58, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC) And don't forget the dwarf elephants of the Mediterranean islands, and the Channel Islands in California. Pmaas 20:55, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
There are more species named than described here! Does anyone know more on this. Are some synonyms or are they all valid. I know that Stegodon (Parastegodon) akashiensis has subsequently been synonymised with Stegodon aurorae (Taruno 1991). Pmaas 20:55, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
I know that Stegodon airawana is a synonym of Stegodon trigonocephalus. gdvdb 23:45, 17 January 2006
And 'Stegodon sinensis' has been synonymised with 'Stegodon orientalis.'
The comment above this one is unsigned. More synonyms: S. preorientalis, S. yuanmouensis, S. guangxiensis, S. sinensis and S. orientalis (Hopwood, 1935) are junior synonyms of Stegodon elephantoides (Clift, 1828).
S. yushensis, S. huanghoensis, S. chiai, S. cf. chiai and Stegolophodon yangyensis are junior synonyms of Stegodon zdanskyi (Hopwood, 1935).
S. orientalis grangeri, S. elephantoides (Zhang 1987), S. (Sulcicephalus) szechuani are junior synonyms of Stegodon orientalis (Owen, 1870).
It's ridiculous that it appears that some authors even reused names. Reference: Zong (1995) Mike.BRZ ( talk) 01:00, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
I've extended the Stegodon entry a little, by adding some remarks on their ancestry and relationships, and on dwarfing of stegodonts on islands. The notion that all stegodonts had straight tusks that were so close together that the trunk supposedly could not pas in between them, is based on a single individual described by Hooijer (195?) and shown in the exposition hall of the Natural History Museum NATURALIS in Leiden, The Netherlands. However, I've seen many stegodon tusks that are all curved, in fact the only straight tusks I've seen are those in the Leiden museum.
gdvdb 23:45, 17 January 2006
The most recent Stegodon species lived in China only 4000 years ago, according to Ma & Tang (1992).
Ma, A. & Tang, H. 1992. On discovery and significance of a Holocene Ailuropoda-Stegodon fauna from Jinhua, Zhejiang. Vertebrata PalAsiatica 30, 295-312.-- 129.177.48.76 ( talk) 22:12, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Is there any evidence that Stegodon did reach this height (4m)? from the looks of it the species in this genus are all pretty obscure and I find it hard to believe that it got that big, you never heard of it being mentioned within the big proboscideans and if it was normal for some of its species to reach 4m tall as to have it on the article without sources, that should make it at least, more internet famous... but is not, also the big list of species is a good example of how absurdly splitted is proboscidea. Mike.BRZ ( talk) 03:57, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
Regarding this sentence: "Stegodon tetrabelodon syrticus was a spectacular late Miocene species with four tusks described from a partial cranium and jaws found in North Africa."
I have never seen a species of Stegodon that had four tusks, the lower jaw always looks basically like living elephants. There is, however, a Miocene gomphothere called Stegotetrabelodon syrticus which lived in North Africa and had four tusks. 50.30.49.13 ( talk) 02:59, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
This creature's range was Sundaland, a peninsula, not Asian islands during the Pleistocene. Kortoso ( talk) 22:03, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
"In Bardia National Park in Nepal, there is a population of Indian elephants which, possibly due to inbreeding, exhibit many Stegodon-like morphological features. Some dismiss these primitive features as recent mutations rather than atavisms."
Kortoso ( talk) 22:09, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
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This article seems to be following fossilworks which is going off this study from 2005 it looks like, but there's this 2010 source that lists the species as S. aurorae, S. clifti , S. shodoensis, S. kwantoensis, S. akashiensis, S. sugiyamai, S. infrequens, S. elephantoides, S. cliftimiensis, S. bombifrons, S. orientalis, S. insignis, S. yüshensis, and S. shinshuensis and that there are 14 species instead of the 13 listed here User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk 01:47, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
It would be nice if the main article could add some words, a few sentences, about what was assumed to be their nutrition; and why they went extinct. Right now this is not in the main article, or barely at all. 2A02:8388:1641:8380:0:0:0:2 ( talk) 21:16, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
Stegodon trigonocephalus, according to Larramendi (2015) may reach an estimated weight up to 5 tons instead of the more modest mass estimates of Van der Geer (2016) and Van den Bergh (2007) being around 1,700kg to 2,100kg.
In addition, S. ganesa was estimated by Larramendi to be around 6.5tons while van der Geer again had modest estimate of 3tons (ca. 3,300kg). This may influence the mass estimates of many dwarfed species that were based upon the mass of the S. ganesa. 2001:4451:903:8600:9151:FB82:DFF9:C0F7 ( talk) 15:44, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
I have seen it spelled more often as S. ganesa rather than S. ganesha. 2001:4451:903:8600:9151:FB82:DFF9:C0F7 ( talk) 15:47, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
The article states "Some species of Stegodon were amongst the largest proboscideans, along with more derived genera." What is a derived genus? It might be nice to have an explanation, for those of us less expert. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nwalton125 ( talk • contribs) 18:40, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
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Should this page be merged with Dwarf elephant?
-- Jarich 23:35, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
No, because the Dwarf elephant page isn't only referring to Stegodons. For example, the dwarf elephants that it refers to on Wrangel Island were mammoths, not Stegodons. The Singing Badger 00:58, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC) And don't forget the dwarf elephants of the Mediterranean islands, and the Channel Islands in California. Pmaas 20:55, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
There are more species named than described here! Does anyone know more on this. Are some synonyms or are they all valid. I know that Stegodon (Parastegodon) akashiensis has subsequently been synonymised with Stegodon aurorae (Taruno 1991). Pmaas 20:55, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
I know that Stegodon airawana is a synonym of Stegodon trigonocephalus. gdvdb 23:45, 17 January 2006
And 'Stegodon sinensis' has been synonymised with 'Stegodon orientalis.'
The comment above this one is unsigned. More synonyms: S. preorientalis, S. yuanmouensis, S. guangxiensis, S. sinensis and S. orientalis (Hopwood, 1935) are junior synonyms of Stegodon elephantoides (Clift, 1828).
S. yushensis, S. huanghoensis, S. chiai, S. cf. chiai and Stegolophodon yangyensis are junior synonyms of Stegodon zdanskyi (Hopwood, 1935).
S. orientalis grangeri, S. elephantoides (Zhang 1987), S. (Sulcicephalus) szechuani are junior synonyms of Stegodon orientalis (Owen, 1870).
It's ridiculous that it appears that some authors even reused names. Reference: Zong (1995) Mike.BRZ ( talk) 01:00, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
I've extended the Stegodon entry a little, by adding some remarks on their ancestry and relationships, and on dwarfing of stegodonts on islands. The notion that all stegodonts had straight tusks that were so close together that the trunk supposedly could not pas in between them, is based on a single individual described by Hooijer (195?) and shown in the exposition hall of the Natural History Museum NATURALIS in Leiden, The Netherlands. However, I've seen many stegodon tusks that are all curved, in fact the only straight tusks I've seen are those in the Leiden museum.
gdvdb 23:45, 17 January 2006
The most recent Stegodon species lived in China only 4000 years ago, according to Ma & Tang (1992).
Ma, A. & Tang, H. 1992. On discovery and significance of a Holocene Ailuropoda-Stegodon fauna from Jinhua, Zhejiang. Vertebrata PalAsiatica 30, 295-312.-- 129.177.48.76 ( talk) 22:12, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Is there any evidence that Stegodon did reach this height (4m)? from the looks of it the species in this genus are all pretty obscure and I find it hard to believe that it got that big, you never heard of it being mentioned within the big proboscideans and if it was normal for some of its species to reach 4m tall as to have it on the article without sources, that should make it at least, more internet famous... but is not, also the big list of species is a good example of how absurdly splitted is proboscidea. Mike.BRZ ( talk) 03:57, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
Regarding this sentence: "Stegodon tetrabelodon syrticus was a spectacular late Miocene species with four tusks described from a partial cranium and jaws found in North Africa."
I have never seen a species of Stegodon that had four tusks, the lower jaw always looks basically like living elephants. There is, however, a Miocene gomphothere called Stegotetrabelodon syrticus which lived in North Africa and had four tusks. 50.30.49.13 ( talk) 02:59, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
This creature's range was Sundaland, a peninsula, not Asian islands during the Pleistocene. Kortoso ( talk) 22:03, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
"In Bardia National Park in Nepal, there is a population of Indian elephants which, possibly due to inbreeding, exhibit many Stegodon-like morphological features. Some dismiss these primitive features as recent mutations rather than atavisms."
Kortoso ( talk) 22:09, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
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This article seems to be following fossilworks which is going off this study from 2005 it looks like, but there's this 2010 source that lists the species as S. aurorae, S. clifti , S. shodoensis, S. kwantoensis, S. akashiensis, S. sugiyamai, S. infrequens, S. elephantoides, S. cliftimiensis, S. bombifrons, S. orientalis, S. insignis, S. yüshensis, and S. shinshuensis and that there are 14 species instead of the 13 listed here User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk 01:47, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
It would be nice if the main article could add some words, a few sentences, about what was assumed to be their nutrition; and why they went extinct. Right now this is not in the main article, or barely at all. 2A02:8388:1641:8380:0:0:0:2 ( talk) 21:16, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
Stegodon trigonocephalus, according to Larramendi (2015) may reach an estimated weight up to 5 tons instead of the more modest mass estimates of Van der Geer (2016) and Van den Bergh (2007) being around 1,700kg to 2,100kg.
In addition, S. ganesa was estimated by Larramendi to be around 6.5tons while van der Geer again had modest estimate of 3tons (ca. 3,300kg). This may influence the mass estimates of many dwarfed species that were based upon the mass of the S. ganesa. 2001:4451:903:8600:9151:FB82:DFF9:C0F7 ( talk) 15:44, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
I have seen it spelled more often as S. ganesa rather than S. ganesha. 2001:4451:903:8600:9151:FB82:DFF9:C0F7 ( talk) 15:47, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
The article states "Some species of Stegodon were amongst the largest proboscideans, along with more derived genera." What is a derived genus? It might be nice to have an explanation, for those of us less expert. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nwalton125 ( talk • contribs) 18:40, 14 August 2022 (UTC)