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What is the significance of the statute? The Jade Knight 04:17, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Unsurprisingly, there is an awful lot more detail in the Spanish and Catalonian articles - can someone please translate some, particular the provisions that the new statute contains, and what its impact is likley to be. There is also this article in The Independent today -
I have removed the stub tags as the article was of a decent length and did not seem to be lacking any significant information, if you feel that was the wrong thing to do, please revert and say why below. Thanks Smithers 13:20, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Another question: does anybody know if Catalonia gets to join the EU right away or how that'd work? Andromeda321 21:19, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
How does this compare both with the other provinces in Spain and with say with (any) US state, Quebec in Canada, Scotland & Wales in the United Kingdom, Puerto Rico's "unique status"? Thanks. Jon 14:05, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Very interesting article, thank you. It currently says about the referendum "although voter turnout did not reach 50%". Does this have any significance in terms of legality? AndrewRT 00:53, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
I think it might not be "Civil law" to what it is meant to refer, but "Civil code". Pablo2garcia 12:24, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
I’m aware Catalunya isn’t about to break away from Spain to form its own state, but how exactly is the “Catalan nation” defined in the new statute? Who are its members? Anyone who is a permanent resident of Catalunya, or anyone with Catalan ancestry? What about Catalans in the Balearics and in València, are they included in this Catalan nation? And what about Catalans or those with Catalan ancestry elsewhere in Spain?
Why the català version of this article it's marked as featured when don't seems to be (i can't find it)? Can some one review this? Rakela 06:00, 2 November 2006 (UTC) Sorry by my english, I just love my languaje...
I love my language too, but I don't use this as an excuse for my poor command of the English one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.50.215.93 ( talk) 10:37, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Ok, I thought this was obvious, but I guess some explanation won't hurt anyone, neither myself: the referendum turnout is essential, because this is the article on the referendum. The percentage Ciutadans got in the 2006 election is not essential in the article on the referendum. Because the referendum was not an election, ballots were either yes, no or abstain, nothing to do with the elections held soon after. That's another story.
to put "(3% of votes)" next to the fact that they got representation is obviously POVish and, what is worse, unnecessary, since their results (the 3%) is quoted where it belongs: in the 2006 elections and the Ciutadans article.
If we were to put here "(3% of the votes)" then we would be starting a stupid polemics, because...why not then putting next to that "which was an unexpected success due to this being their first run in a mature politic system with already five parties in the Parliament, also Ciutadans accused the Catalan media and establishment of purposefully ignoring them and cited overt hostility from some of those, which, all in all, made the 3% look like big news and a result over their expectations"???
Bla bla bla and things of the like which would mess this article which, again, is not about neither the 2006 elections nor Ciutadans, their electoral support, philias and phobias. Instead, this article is about the referendum. Anyone with the slightest curiousity on the events, will click on the Ciutadans or the Elections article and get the facts. But let's please not mix things.
It is also a fact directly related with the referendum that it triggered the dawn of Ciutadans, right?. Then, whether they got 0,03%, 3% or 300% in the subsequent election is treated in the relevant articles.
Mountolive | Talk 04:49, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
I agree with you: this is getting stubborn and tiresome: this is an encyclopedia, not a forum. This is an article on the Statute, and readers expect to found data on this issue, not personal POV opinions. In such a short stub-like article, you opened a "criticism" section to include some opinions in it, without any references on the general context. "A number of intelectuals have criticized what they describe as an "identitary obsession" amongst most of Catalan politicians and the media establishment". This is POV. Wich intelectuals? How many of them? There were other intelectuals with distinct opinions?. This way directs towards a mess and a POV reaction.
In my opinion, the whole section should be removed. But I don't want to impose my viewpoint, so I try to improve the section's contents. As you said, the article "is not about neither the 2006 elections nor Ciutadans", so we can remove all these references. If you insist in keeping it, the "3% of votes" data is relevant, because a reader can have the biased impression that a strong change happened in this election, and this is false. Best regards, -- Joan sense nick 05:34, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm not in the mood of have a discussion on politics here: this is not a forum (I dont want to convince you, because I respect your point of view).
In my opinion this article is on the Statute itself, not on the election nor the 2006's local controversy. All that you wrote above can improve, if you want, the article on Catalan constitutional referendum, 2006.
Note, however, that I don't use to remove data from other users (except clearly false ones). I add data, in order to complete the information. I don't know why you remove the 3% mention. You want to hide it?. I'll replace it, besides your last wording, for the last time. You can remove it once again, if you feel better. I'm bored of that childish game. Best wishes, -- Joan sense nick 21:36, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
The Catalan word "Estatut" would be better translated as "Charter" rather than "Statute". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.39.247.254 ( talk) 22:51, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
I propose that the article " Draft of New Statute of Autonomy for Catalonia of 2005" be merged into this page. That page doesn't contain a sufficient amount of information to merit having its own article. If/when the present statute of autonomy gets replaced, we can of course have a distinct article on the 2006 statute and its historical relevance. But at present I don't think the 2005 draft deserves its own article. Gabbe ( talk) 07:52, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
Following the news, it seems the autonomous state of Catalonia has been declined. What is the current state of it? אילן שמעוני ( talk) 14:28, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
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What is the significance of the statute? The Jade Knight 04:17, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Unsurprisingly, there is an awful lot more detail in the Spanish and Catalonian articles - can someone please translate some, particular the provisions that the new statute contains, and what its impact is likley to be. There is also this article in The Independent today -
I have removed the stub tags as the article was of a decent length and did not seem to be lacking any significant information, if you feel that was the wrong thing to do, please revert and say why below. Thanks Smithers 13:20, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Another question: does anybody know if Catalonia gets to join the EU right away or how that'd work? Andromeda321 21:19, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
How does this compare both with the other provinces in Spain and with say with (any) US state, Quebec in Canada, Scotland & Wales in the United Kingdom, Puerto Rico's "unique status"? Thanks. Jon 14:05, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Very interesting article, thank you. It currently says about the referendum "although voter turnout did not reach 50%". Does this have any significance in terms of legality? AndrewRT 00:53, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
I think it might not be "Civil law" to what it is meant to refer, but "Civil code". Pablo2garcia 12:24, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
I’m aware Catalunya isn’t about to break away from Spain to form its own state, but how exactly is the “Catalan nation” defined in the new statute? Who are its members? Anyone who is a permanent resident of Catalunya, or anyone with Catalan ancestry? What about Catalans in the Balearics and in València, are they included in this Catalan nation? And what about Catalans or those with Catalan ancestry elsewhere in Spain?
Why the català version of this article it's marked as featured when don't seems to be (i can't find it)? Can some one review this? Rakela 06:00, 2 November 2006 (UTC) Sorry by my english, I just love my languaje...
I love my language too, but I don't use this as an excuse for my poor command of the English one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.50.215.93 ( talk) 10:37, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Ok, I thought this was obvious, but I guess some explanation won't hurt anyone, neither myself: the referendum turnout is essential, because this is the article on the referendum. The percentage Ciutadans got in the 2006 election is not essential in the article on the referendum. Because the referendum was not an election, ballots were either yes, no or abstain, nothing to do with the elections held soon after. That's another story.
to put "(3% of votes)" next to the fact that they got representation is obviously POVish and, what is worse, unnecessary, since their results (the 3%) is quoted where it belongs: in the 2006 elections and the Ciutadans article.
If we were to put here "(3% of the votes)" then we would be starting a stupid polemics, because...why not then putting next to that "which was an unexpected success due to this being their first run in a mature politic system with already five parties in the Parliament, also Ciutadans accused the Catalan media and establishment of purposefully ignoring them and cited overt hostility from some of those, which, all in all, made the 3% look like big news and a result over their expectations"???
Bla bla bla and things of the like which would mess this article which, again, is not about neither the 2006 elections nor Ciutadans, their electoral support, philias and phobias. Instead, this article is about the referendum. Anyone with the slightest curiousity on the events, will click on the Ciutadans or the Elections article and get the facts. But let's please not mix things.
It is also a fact directly related with the referendum that it triggered the dawn of Ciutadans, right?. Then, whether they got 0,03%, 3% or 300% in the subsequent election is treated in the relevant articles.
Mountolive | Talk 04:49, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
I agree with you: this is getting stubborn and tiresome: this is an encyclopedia, not a forum. This is an article on the Statute, and readers expect to found data on this issue, not personal POV opinions. In such a short stub-like article, you opened a "criticism" section to include some opinions in it, without any references on the general context. "A number of intelectuals have criticized what they describe as an "identitary obsession" amongst most of Catalan politicians and the media establishment". This is POV. Wich intelectuals? How many of them? There were other intelectuals with distinct opinions?. This way directs towards a mess and a POV reaction.
In my opinion, the whole section should be removed. But I don't want to impose my viewpoint, so I try to improve the section's contents. As you said, the article "is not about neither the 2006 elections nor Ciutadans", so we can remove all these references. If you insist in keeping it, the "3% of votes" data is relevant, because a reader can have the biased impression that a strong change happened in this election, and this is false. Best regards, -- Joan sense nick 05:34, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm not in the mood of have a discussion on politics here: this is not a forum (I dont want to convince you, because I respect your point of view).
In my opinion this article is on the Statute itself, not on the election nor the 2006's local controversy. All that you wrote above can improve, if you want, the article on Catalan constitutional referendum, 2006.
Note, however, that I don't use to remove data from other users (except clearly false ones). I add data, in order to complete the information. I don't know why you remove the 3% mention. You want to hide it?. I'll replace it, besides your last wording, for the last time. You can remove it once again, if you feel better. I'm bored of that childish game. Best wishes, -- Joan sense nick 21:36, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
The Catalan word "Estatut" would be better translated as "Charter" rather than "Statute". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.39.247.254 ( talk) 22:51, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
I propose that the article " Draft of New Statute of Autonomy for Catalonia of 2005" be merged into this page. That page doesn't contain a sufficient amount of information to merit having its own article. If/when the present statute of autonomy gets replaced, we can of course have a distinct article on the 2006 statute and its historical relevance. But at present I don't think the 2005 draft deserves its own article. Gabbe ( talk) 07:52, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
Following the news, it seems the autonomous state of Catalonia has been declined. What is the current state of it? אילן שמעוני ( talk) 14:28, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
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