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Is it worth mentioning the MG ZT as holding the speed record for an estate of 225.6mph? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_ZT
"The Ford Focus wagon, Daimler-Chrysler's Dodge Magnum, General Motor's Chevrolet Malibu Maxx, and the Mazda Mazda6 are the only station wagons produced by U.S. based automobile manufacturers in the 2005 model year." - There are some others I can think of that are not in this sentence - Ford Freestyle wagon and Pontiac Vibe and maybe Chevrolet Aveo? This brings up another question - what exactly is the difference between a "hatchback" and a "small station wagon" (in the case of the Aveo and the Vibe)? And I'm not sure if Mazda is considered to be "US-based", even though they are owned by Ford. For these reasons, I've deleted this sentence for now. Scottmso 04:46, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I think it's important to label the one title "Declining Popularity in North America". Over here in Europe, wagons are sold about as often as sedans, maybe they even sell better. So pardon me, but I'll change the heading again for that reason. Dan3k5 21:02, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thank you whoever added UK usage. But UK readers don't know what a "sedan car" is :( -- Tarquin 19:47 Jan 11, 2003 (UTC)
I performed a pretty radical overhaul on this article today. I hope I haven't stepped on too many toes. I included information on the "woody" wagon and clarified some sales trends based upon information from the Standard Catalogue of Cars (1945-1965) and Standard Catalogue of Cars (1966-1990). user: stude62 user talk:stude62 22:53, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Some good info. That picture of the Mercury Communter is outstanding--best one I've ever seen of that very rare model. RivGuySC 17:16, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I've hard the term avant used to mean station wagon, but I don't know enough about there term, who uses it for example, to add it to there article.
On the bottom of this German page there are lots and lots of different names for wagons. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kombinationskraftwagen
I attempted to do an overhaul today on the station wagon article. While reading it in its porevious state, it simple had no logical flow, or continuity to it. In addition to reoranizing it, I also beefed up the history of the vehicle, added more images and shifted other ones around. I also replaced the leading image of the Saab wagon with an image of a 1972 Ford Country Squire for two simple reasons - production of the Country Squire far out paced the Saab, and that the Country Squire is an icon station wagon. Stude62 15:31, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Where in Europe are station wagons called "Shooting Break?" First, the UK and Ireland are the only two English speaking countires in Europe; thus the there cannot be one English term that is used all across Eruope. In Germany we obviously do not call a station wagon a Shooting Break but a Kombi, especially since only the ladder term is German! Second, it already states that in the UK the vehicle is called Estate Wagon. I have therefore removed the term "Shooting Break," as it is an imaginary word. Regards, Signature brendel 05:28, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
The UK, US, and Australian names being in the article makes sense to me, but the French and German ones don't---of course they use a different name, because they're different languages! A station wagon is called an οικογενειακό αυτοκίνητο in Greek (lit. "family automobile"); should we add that too? I'd propose removing the non-English names therefore, since this isn't a translating dictionary. -- Delirium 18:16, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Not sure about this statement:
It's true that the wagon is the mainstay of the Ford Falcon and Holden Commodore ranges, but Mitsubishi and Toyota no longer offer large wagons. Smaller wagons are much rarer in Australia, if not New Zealand, than they are in Europe. The Mondeo was the only medium-sized wagon offered by Ford Australia since it dropped the Cortina, and that was axed before the sedan and hatchback. In fact, Holden's VE Commodore wagon won't be released until next year (if at all) and there are even question marks about a wagon version of the next Falcon. Quiensabe 23:48, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
In America, the terms "station wagon" and "wagon" are used interchangeably. It's not that "station wagon" is more "formal". "Station wagon" is the older term and the newer shortened form is simply "wagon". Today "wagon" is used more often. And has been since the 1980's. 75.33.81.8 13:15, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
After thinking about it I take it back if "formal" name was being used in the same way as "full name". That would be true. Calling a Station Wagon "Wagon" is like calling Johnathon "John". It's better as it is listed in the article now to just state "station wagon or simply wagon" since it's obvious that it's simply a shortened form of the name so no explanation is needed. Same with the line "estate car or just estate in British usage". The reason people say "wagon" over "station wagon" is "wagon" reminds one more of a modern sport wagon rather than a lumbering old "station wagon". But even "wagon" is now often avoided instead being replaced by the term "5-door". 75.33.75.2 11:03, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
This was the term used by Holden from the introduction of the body style with the FE model in 1956 up to I think the HD, HR, or HK in the mid to late 1960s. Neither Ford Australia or any other company I know of in Australia used this term. American-based companies in Australia used "staion wagon" and British-based companies used "estate" in the beginning. Now only "station wagon" or just "wagon" is used. I'll try to do some better checking when I get back to Australia.
I did not know "station sedan" was used by any American companies until I did some Google searches. The easiest to find is the Packard Station Sedan, produced between 1948 and 1950. — Hippietrail 19:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
This is a legitimate term used by many. Google will prove it, but there are far too many hits to list.
The terms "Suburban" & "Suburban Carryall" began in the early 1920s, per
Old Burb Club -- The History of the Suburban. "Suburban" was generic enuf that New York State, in (at least) the mid-1950s, assigned license plates bearing the word, to station wagons (perhaps taxing them differently?). The article already acknowledges the term, but makes it sound more marginal that i think is justified. Perhaps the article i cite above should be further mined.
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Until I came here, I had never heard the term "suburban" used as a generic term for "station wagon", only the Chevy Suburban model, which is IMHO opinion more a van than a station wagon. Perhaps this is a regional thing, as certainly the ads from the 1920s in the site you have above make use of the term "suburban". But in Southern California during the 50s and 60s (rather the heyday of the SW as a family vehicle) it was only known as a station wagon, or wagon for short. "Woodie" of course was used by surfers for that particular version of SW. Wschart ( talk) 20:09, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Some pictures of the various styles of tailgates would be a good addition, especially the 'doorgates' GM and Ford used. Some of GM's doorgates were poorly designed, when used as a door they only opened about 45 degrees and when opened as a tailgate they didn't go down fully flat and level with the cargo floor. IIRC, all of Ford's doorgates opened 90 degrees in both modes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bizzybody ( talk • contribs) 22:15, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
"Ford's full-size wagons for 1966 introduced a system marketed as "Magic Doorgate" — a conventional tailgate with retracting rear glass, where the tailgate could either fold down or pivot open on a side hinge — with the rear window retracted in either case. " -- statement isn't quite true. Can pivot open with glass up or down; can pivot down with glass retracted. marketed as "three way tailgate" Feldercarb ( talk) 21:15, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
"The first station wagons were a product of the age of train travel." That sounds as if that age was over; why am I then travelling by train all the time? -- 84.115.129.76 ( talk) 12:45, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
In "Declining popularity", I removed this editorial bit because it really doesn't make any sense. Station wagons are no worse for CAFE scores than the sedans they are based on. Furthermore, wagons such as the Chevy Celebrity and Ford Taurus sold in great numbers well into the CAFE era. 71.134.255.232 ( talk) 11:05, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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In the US, "station wagon" has negative connotations just like "minivan". It implies someone has a bunch of children. 24.51.217.35 ( talk) 11:45, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
How about all those french 'commerciale' cars of 1920s & 1930s like Citoën Traction, Peugeot 401, 402, 202, Renault Vivaquarte and many other, also Lancia Ardea Promiscuetta? Dieſelmaus ( talk) 14:42, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi ColorfulSmoke. Could we please have a discussion about the name for this article before it gets moved? Personally I think "station wagon" is better suited, but I will keep an open mind to your reasoning. Cheers, 1292simon ( talk) 21:40, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
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Is it worth mentioning the MG ZT as holding the speed record for an estate of 225.6mph? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_ZT
"The Ford Focus wagon, Daimler-Chrysler's Dodge Magnum, General Motor's Chevrolet Malibu Maxx, and the Mazda Mazda6 are the only station wagons produced by U.S. based automobile manufacturers in the 2005 model year." - There are some others I can think of that are not in this sentence - Ford Freestyle wagon and Pontiac Vibe and maybe Chevrolet Aveo? This brings up another question - what exactly is the difference between a "hatchback" and a "small station wagon" (in the case of the Aveo and the Vibe)? And I'm not sure if Mazda is considered to be "US-based", even though they are owned by Ford. For these reasons, I've deleted this sentence for now. Scottmso 04:46, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I think it's important to label the one title "Declining Popularity in North America". Over here in Europe, wagons are sold about as often as sedans, maybe they even sell better. So pardon me, but I'll change the heading again for that reason. Dan3k5 21:02, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thank you whoever added UK usage. But UK readers don't know what a "sedan car" is :( -- Tarquin 19:47 Jan 11, 2003 (UTC)
I performed a pretty radical overhaul on this article today. I hope I haven't stepped on too many toes. I included information on the "woody" wagon and clarified some sales trends based upon information from the Standard Catalogue of Cars (1945-1965) and Standard Catalogue of Cars (1966-1990). user: stude62 user talk:stude62 22:53, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Some good info. That picture of the Mercury Communter is outstanding--best one I've ever seen of that very rare model. RivGuySC 17:16, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I've hard the term avant used to mean station wagon, but I don't know enough about there term, who uses it for example, to add it to there article.
On the bottom of this German page there are lots and lots of different names for wagons. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kombinationskraftwagen
I attempted to do an overhaul today on the station wagon article. While reading it in its porevious state, it simple had no logical flow, or continuity to it. In addition to reoranizing it, I also beefed up the history of the vehicle, added more images and shifted other ones around. I also replaced the leading image of the Saab wagon with an image of a 1972 Ford Country Squire for two simple reasons - production of the Country Squire far out paced the Saab, and that the Country Squire is an icon station wagon. Stude62 15:31, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Where in Europe are station wagons called "Shooting Break?" First, the UK and Ireland are the only two English speaking countires in Europe; thus the there cannot be one English term that is used all across Eruope. In Germany we obviously do not call a station wagon a Shooting Break but a Kombi, especially since only the ladder term is German! Second, it already states that in the UK the vehicle is called Estate Wagon. I have therefore removed the term "Shooting Break," as it is an imaginary word. Regards, Signature brendel 05:28, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
The UK, US, and Australian names being in the article makes sense to me, but the French and German ones don't---of course they use a different name, because they're different languages! A station wagon is called an οικογενειακό αυτοκίνητο in Greek (lit. "family automobile"); should we add that too? I'd propose removing the non-English names therefore, since this isn't a translating dictionary. -- Delirium 18:16, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Not sure about this statement:
It's true that the wagon is the mainstay of the Ford Falcon and Holden Commodore ranges, but Mitsubishi and Toyota no longer offer large wagons. Smaller wagons are much rarer in Australia, if not New Zealand, than they are in Europe. The Mondeo was the only medium-sized wagon offered by Ford Australia since it dropped the Cortina, and that was axed before the sedan and hatchback. In fact, Holden's VE Commodore wagon won't be released until next year (if at all) and there are even question marks about a wagon version of the next Falcon. Quiensabe 23:48, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
In America, the terms "station wagon" and "wagon" are used interchangeably. It's not that "station wagon" is more "formal". "Station wagon" is the older term and the newer shortened form is simply "wagon". Today "wagon" is used more often. And has been since the 1980's. 75.33.81.8 13:15, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
After thinking about it I take it back if "formal" name was being used in the same way as "full name". That would be true. Calling a Station Wagon "Wagon" is like calling Johnathon "John". It's better as it is listed in the article now to just state "station wagon or simply wagon" since it's obvious that it's simply a shortened form of the name so no explanation is needed. Same with the line "estate car or just estate in British usage". The reason people say "wagon" over "station wagon" is "wagon" reminds one more of a modern sport wagon rather than a lumbering old "station wagon". But even "wagon" is now often avoided instead being replaced by the term "5-door". 75.33.75.2 11:03, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
This was the term used by Holden from the introduction of the body style with the FE model in 1956 up to I think the HD, HR, or HK in the mid to late 1960s. Neither Ford Australia or any other company I know of in Australia used this term. American-based companies in Australia used "staion wagon" and British-based companies used "estate" in the beginning. Now only "station wagon" or just "wagon" is used. I'll try to do some better checking when I get back to Australia.
I did not know "station sedan" was used by any American companies until I did some Google searches. The easiest to find is the Packard Station Sedan, produced between 1948 and 1950. — Hippietrail 19:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
This is a legitimate term used by many. Google will prove it, but there are far too many hits to list.
The terms "Suburban" & "Suburban Carryall" began in the early 1920s, per
Old Burb Club -- The History of the Suburban. "Suburban" was generic enuf that New York State, in (at least) the mid-1950s, assigned license plates bearing the word, to station wagons (perhaps taxing them differently?). The article already acknowledges the term, but makes it sound more marginal that i think is justified. Perhaps the article i cite above should be further mined.
--
Jerzy•
t
11:26, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Until I came here, I had never heard the term "suburban" used as a generic term for "station wagon", only the Chevy Suburban model, which is IMHO opinion more a van than a station wagon. Perhaps this is a regional thing, as certainly the ads from the 1920s in the site you have above make use of the term "suburban". But in Southern California during the 50s and 60s (rather the heyday of the SW as a family vehicle) it was only known as a station wagon, or wagon for short. "Woodie" of course was used by surfers for that particular version of SW. Wschart ( talk) 20:09, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Some pictures of the various styles of tailgates would be a good addition, especially the 'doorgates' GM and Ford used. Some of GM's doorgates were poorly designed, when used as a door they only opened about 45 degrees and when opened as a tailgate they didn't go down fully flat and level with the cargo floor. IIRC, all of Ford's doorgates opened 90 degrees in both modes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bizzybody ( talk • contribs) 22:15, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
"Ford's full-size wagons for 1966 introduced a system marketed as "Magic Doorgate" — a conventional tailgate with retracting rear glass, where the tailgate could either fold down or pivot open on a side hinge — with the rear window retracted in either case. " -- statement isn't quite true. Can pivot open with glass up or down; can pivot down with glass retracted. marketed as "three way tailgate" Feldercarb ( talk) 21:15, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
"The first station wagons were a product of the age of train travel." That sounds as if that age was over; why am I then travelling by train all the time? -- 84.115.129.76 ( talk) 12:45, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
In "Declining popularity", I removed this editorial bit because it really doesn't make any sense. Station wagons are no worse for CAFE scores than the sedans they are based on. Furthermore, wagons such as the Chevy Celebrity and Ford Taurus sold in great numbers well into the CAFE era. 71.134.255.232 ( talk) 11:05, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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In the US, "station wagon" has negative connotations just like "minivan". It implies someone has a bunch of children. 24.51.217.35 ( talk) 11:45, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
How about all those french 'commerciale' cars of 1920s & 1930s like Citoën Traction, Peugeot 401, 402, 202, Renault Vivaquarte and many other, also Lancia Ardea Promiscuetta? Dieſelmaus ( talk) 14:42, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi ColorfulSmoke. Could we please have a discussion about the name for this article before it gets moved? Personally I think "station wagon" is better suited, but I will keep an open mind to your reasoning. Cheers, 1292simon ( talk) 21:40, 17 October 2020 (UTC)