I propose this article be restored to the point before Eik Corell's cull/edit, so that we can look anew at the issues the article had and then fix them. I also propose this Talk page be archived so that we can begin with a fresh Talk page so that we can discuss section changes and improvement point by point in collaboration with all interested parties. GordonTG ( talk) 00:58, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Agreed. Before anymore drama gets piled onto this, what exactly do you feel should be changed/removed, Eik? I do agree that it is/was far from perfect, such as the ELF gun not even getting explained and so on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by EvanVolm ( talk • contribs) 01:07, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
I appreciated Gordon's comments about community concensus about content. This can be opened out to the videogames wikiproject if need be. There is always leeway in the guidelines ( WP:VG/GL in this case), but there are also many violations of core wikipedia policies. Material is being challenged and the "burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material."
I also support the archiving of the talkpage above this section - none of it was particularly constructive. Marasmusine ( talk) 04:05, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, archiving would probably be a good idea. Won't take long before it looks like this again, though. Eik Corell ( talk) 12:19, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
The "skiing" and "jetpack" sections need to remain in some form if possible, if sections aren't possible then they certainly deserve subsections under gameplay. The jetpack is something which defines the game from all others, and skiing is probably even more important to Tribes than bunny hopping is to Quake. I'm guessing that the only problem is backing up this information with a decent source, as the game is over 10 years old - finding reliable sources which verify this might be tricky. However I'm sure most players would agree that these features of the game are more important than most of the current gameplay content. Sudo make me a sandwich ( talk) 16:29, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
As for the reception section, I've found one more review if needed(IGN)
[3] —Preceding unsigned comment added by EvanVolm ( talk • contribs) 23:02, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Although skiing was unintended, it wasn't an exploit. Skiing also was in the Tribes 2 manual, so to say that the first to include it was T:V is wrong. This is why we need tribes fans, and not mods editing this —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.236.206.26 ( talk) 13:16, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Skiing was originally an unintended side effect of the game's physics, but it was found that it speeds up the game quite a bit so it was added. (It makes it easy to traverse a large distance in a short timespan) It's essentially using pulses of your jetpack in combination with the jump key (spacebar). But this is quite heavy on the spacebar and on your left thumb so eventually scripts were made and eventually happy jump ( http://www.team5150.com/~andrew/project.tribes/t1_happyjump_patch/ ) (a modified tribes executable).
Also if you really want to get citations for everything on this game you're going to run into a serious issue. Half of the community websites are dead (tends to happen after this long). And Vivendi did their best to remove any trace of Dynamix ever existing. But the original tribes website can be found at http://web.archive.org/web/20010706183650/sierrastudios.com/games/tribesplayers/ .
Though I really fear you will simply mess this article up if you go too strict about it (like you're doing now). If you intend to only use citations you're going to end up with something along the lines of "Tribes is a futuristic FPS with jetpacks made by Dynamics, released in 1999. Followed up by Tribes 2 and Tribes: Vengeance. The game was released for free, download at (insert url here)." And that would pretty much ruin the description of this game that made a serious contribution towards the history of online only games. Tribes was one of the first games that went down that path. And it's still alive today, more than 10 years later. And actually the wikipedia page you just "edited" (more along the lines of, remove all content if you ask me) was one of the only sources that still contained some of those things.
But if you really want citations you should look on the right places, I'd start here if I were you: http://web.archive.org/web/20010706183650/sierrastudios.com/games/tribesplayers/ http://www.team5150.com/~andrew/ (Lasthope aka 1.30, Happy Jump, Hudbot, ...), Obviously planet tribes (assuming it still works), The old HomeLAN Fed forums might also prove useful, http://www.giantbomb.com/starsiege-tribes/61-17179/ , TribalWar also holds quite some information like this http://www.tribalwar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=497388 , Also pretty important http://web.archive.org/web/20010208100834/sierrastudios.com/games/tribesplayers/scripting.html , http://www.answers.com/topic/starsiege-tribes (the first part is original information) Bart416 ( talk) 00:31, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
About the gameplay modes, there are actually 8 different modes, not 5. Balanced, Capture and Hold, Capture the Flag, Deathmatch, Defend and Destroy, Find and Retrieve, Multiple Team, and Open Call. This comes directly from the in-game menu. EvanVolm ( talk) 04:26, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm fairly sure Arena was a user-made mod. I don't remember Practice at all, though Gordon or Bart probably can provide some more info on the two. EvanVolm ( talk) 19:51, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
I've found a source for Vivendi releasing Tribes for free with Tribes 2 release. [9] EvanVolm ( talk) 19:27, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
I've started work on a wiki for PlayTribes, which I'll promptly delete and transfer over to this wiki once it's unlocked if wanted. The gameplay section for Tribes seemed to be one of the bigger issues, so feel free to use the PT wiki for reference or practice, since it's essentially the same exact thing.But I don't think we should say it's a multiplayer-only game, because it's not. EvanVolm ( talk) 01:21, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Wow, I just stopped by this page today to check on if Wikipedia added that a new company is taking it over, and I find that nearly three-quarters of the information is GONE. If you want citations, I will find them, and I will be sure that the article is restored to its prime. -- Scouto2 ( talk) 01:02, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Someone with more time should try to find out what happened to this. Did it turn into Tribes 2? -- DocumentN ( talk) 06:08, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
This article explains that Tribes Extreme was cancelled, and the team and resources were merged into Tribes 2 (which was already in progress as a separate project). -- 71.205.132.108 ( talk) 20:36, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Alright, its been years since those warnings at the top of the page were added. What exactly needs to be done so Wikipedia is happy with this article? EvanVolm ( talk) 23:11, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm curious if these meet Wikipedia standards. I don't see how we should be listing places of where to download the Tribes ISO or patches. If ever, the links and steps to install should be relegated to external links rather than in the Sequels entry.
Also, what is the purpose of adding the game servers here? Is it notable? I don't recall seeing anything similar in other game pages. Dasmarinas71 ( talk) 14:45, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
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I propose this article be restored to the point before Eik Corell's cull/edit, so that we can look anew at the issues the article had and then fix them. I also propose this Talk page be archived so that we can begin with a fresh Talk page so that we can discuss section changes and improvement point by point in collaboration with all interested parties. GordonTG ( talk) 00:58, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Agreed. Before anymore drama gets piled onto this, what exactly do you feel should be changed/removed, Eik? I do agree that it is/was far from perfect, such as the ELF gun not even getting explained and so on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by EvanVolm ( talk • contribs) 01:07, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
I appreciated Gordon's comments about community concensus about content. This can be opened out to the videogames wikiproject if need be. There is always leeway in the guidelines ( WP:VG/GL in this case), but there are also many violations of core wikipedia policies. Material is being challenged and the "burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material."
I also support the archiving of the talkpage above this section - none of it was particularly constructive. Marasmusine ( talk) 04:05, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, archiving would probably be a good idea. Won't take long before it looks like this again, though. Eik Corell ( talk) 12:19, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
The "skiing" and "jetpack" sections need to remain in some form if possible, if sections aren't possible then they certainly deserve subsections under gameplay. The jetpack is something which defines the game from all others, and skiing is probably even more important to Tribes than bunny hopping is to Quake. I'm guessing that the only problem is backing up this information with a decent source, as the game is over 10 years old - finding reliable sources which verify this might be tricky. However I'm sure most players would agree that these features of the game are more important than most of the current gameplay content. Sudo make me a sandwich ( talk) 16:29, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
As for the reception section, I've found one more review if needed(IGN)
[3] —Preceding unsigned comment added by EvanVolm ( talk • contribs) 23:02, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Although skiing was unintended, it wasn't an exploit. Skiing also was in the Tribes 2 manual, so to say that the first to include it was T:V is wrong. This is why we need tribes fans, and not mods editing this —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.236.206.26 ( talk) 13:16, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Skiing was originally an unintended side effect of the game's physics, but it was found that it speeds up the game quite a bit so it was added. (It makes it easy to traverse a large distance in a short timespan) It's essentially using pulses of your jetpack in combination with the jump key (spacebar). But this is quite heavy on the spacebar and on your left thumb so eventually scripts were made and eventually happy jump ( http://www.team5150.com/~andrew/project.tribes/t1_happyjump_patch/ ) (a modified tribes executable).
Also if you really want to get citations for everything on this game you're going to run into a serious issue. Half of the community websites are dead (tends to happen after this long). And Vivendi did their best to remove any trace of Dynamix ever existing. But the original tribes website can be found at http://web.archive.org/web/20010706183650/sierrastudios.com/games/tribesplayers/ .
Though I really fear you will simply mess this article up if you go too strict about it (like you're doing now). If you intend to only use citations you're going to end up with something along the lines of "Tribes is a futuristic FPS with jetpacks made by Dynamics, released in 1999. Followed up by Tribes 2 and Tribes: Vengeance. The game was released for free, download at (insert url here)." And that would pretty much ruin the description of this game that made a serious contribution towards the history of online only games. Tribes was one of the first games that went down that path. And it's still alive today, more than 10 years later. And actually the wikipedia page you just "edited" (more along the lines of, remove all content if you ask me) was one of the only sources that still contained some of those things.
But if you really want citations you should look on the right places, I'd start here if I were you: http://web.archive.org/web/20010706183650/sierrastudios.com/games/tribesplayers/ http://www.team5150.com/~andrew/ (Lasthope aka 1.30, Happy Jump, Hudbot, ...), Obviously planet tribes (assuming it still works), The old HomeLAN Fed forums might also prove useful, http://www.giantbomb.com/starsiege-tribes/61-17179/ , TribalWar also holds quite some information like this http://www.tribalwar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=497388 , Also pretty important http://web.archive.org/web/20010208100834/sierrastudios.com/games/tribesplayers/scripting.html , http://www.answers.com/topic/starsiege-tribes (the first part is original information) Bart416 ( talk) 00:31, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
About the gameplay modes, there are actually 8 different modes, not 5. Balanced, Capture and Hold, Capture the Flag, Deathmatch, Defend and Destroy, Find and Retrieve, Multiple Team, and Open Call. This comes directly from the in-game menu. EvanVolm ( talk) 04:26, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm fairly sure Arena was a user-made mod. I don't remember Practice at all, though Gordon or Bart probably can provide some more info on the two. EvanVolm ( talk) 19:51, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
I've found a source for Vivendi releasing Tribes for free with Tribes 2 release. [9] EvanVolm ( talk) 19:27, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
I've started work on a wiki for PlayTribes, which I'll promptly delete and transfer over to this wiki once it's unlocked if wanted. The gameplay section for Tribes seemed to be one of the bigger issues, so feel free to use the PT wiki for reference or practice, since it's essentially the same exact thing.But I don't think we should say it's a multiplayer-only game, because it's not. EvanVolm ( talk) 01:21, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Wow, I just stopped by this page today to check on if Wikipedia added that a new company is taking it over, and I find that nearly three-quarters of the information is GONE. If you want citations, I will find them, and I will be sure that the article is restored to its prime. -- Scouto2 ( talk) 01:02, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Someone with more time should try to find out what happened to this. Did it turn into Tribes 2? -- DocumentN ( talk) 06:08, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
This article explains that Tribes Extreme was cancelled, and the team and resources were merged into Tribes 2 (which was already in progress as a separate project). -- 71.205.132.108 ( talk) 20:36, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Alright, its been years since those warnings at the top of the page were added. What exactly needs to be done so Wikipedia is happy with this article? EvanVolm ( talk) 23:11, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm curious if these meet Wikipedia standards. I don't see how we should be listing places of where to download the Tribes ISO or patches. If ever, the links and steps to install should be relegated to external links rather than in the Sequels entry.
Also, what is the purpose of adding the game servers here? Is it notable? I don't recall seeing anything similar in other game pages. Dasmarinas71 ( talk) 14:45, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
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i dont want to register an account on wikipedia but this game is from the 90s and its weird to be reading stuff that should be sourced and end up reading reddit thread junk 70.53.102.227 ( talk) 15:21, 10 September 2023 (UTC)