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The prior "consensus" - which was two users - was that the name Meetra Surik and the Exile being female doesn't belong here because "Since the character was never named in KOTOR 2 and no one involved with the game development has back-identified him from "The Old Republic" to KOTOR 2, it shouldn't be put into this page as it would basically amount to unreferenced OR." That's not how sources work. The game is part of the overall Star Wars universe, and Lucasfi;m (now Disney) decided how the game fit into the broader universe. That's certainly relevant, at least in a brief mention. I think the fact that they decided the Exile is female is relevant, as most main characters aren't. Mentioning that the player can choose either sex and any name, but that, canonically, for other stories referencing the game, she's Meetra Surik, is sufficient.
While Wookieepedia might not be reliable, the sources it cites are. The sources are the guide to droids, (formerly) referenced in the article, which calls the Exile "she", and other Star Wars books, such as "The Old Republic: Revan" give her a name. It's hardly OR to say that Source A (the game) gives us a character, and Source B (the book) describes that character to make it obvious who it is and gives her a name. Is it OR if a news article says "the Queen" did something newsworthy but never specifically names Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom in it, but it's obvious who the article's about? Of course not - that sort of synthesis is just editing. Besides, we're talking about a Star Wars video game, and fictional books are going to be sources for any kind of work where there's an entire fictional universe. One episode of a TV series can refer to a character in a previous episode, and both can go in an article about the character without a source coming right out and saying they're the same person.
WP:INUNIVERSE doesn't apply, since "canon status" is directed as much to future writers and readers in the real world as it is to other characters in-universe. PaulGS ( talk) 21:10, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
The plot summary is a mess. Regardless of whether the Exile's canonical sex is mentioned in the article, referring to the Exile as "they" is unreadable.
"the Exile is sedated by HK-50, an assassin droid, to be delivered to a crime syndicate... They are rescued by Kreia, with whom they form a Force Bond" Who's rescued? The Exile and HK-50, or just one of them? Does the droid form a bond with Kreia?
"The Exile then travels to four worlds to find reclusive Jedi Masters and either begs their aid or kills them in revenge over their treatment" Whose treatment?
"As the Exile continues their journey, they meet several individuals that join them in their quest" How can the Exile continue "their journey"? Wouldn't the entire group do that?
"The Exile defeats Traya... Depending on the Exile's alignment, they either order the destruction of Malachor V... or remain on Malachor V" How can Traya order anything if she's dead?
The plot summary needs a singular pronoun - it can't alternate between singular and plural when it's discussing numerous people. I realise that "he or she" is awkward, but "they" is plural, and, in this context, very ambiguous. Since - like it or not - the Exile is canonically female, I suggest female pronouns for readability. "He" would be tolerable, but my second choice here. PaulGS ( talk)
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The prior "consensus" - which was two users - was that the name Meetra Surik and the Exile being female doesn't belong here because "Since the character was never named in KOTOR 2 and no one involved with the game development has back-identified him from "The Old Republic" to KOTOR 2, it shouldn't be put into this page as it would basically amount to unreferenced OR." That's not how sources work. The game is part of the overall Star Wars universe, and Lucasfi;m (now Disney) decided how the game fit into the broader universe. That's certainly relevant, at least in a brief mention. I think the fact that they decided the Exile is female is relevant, as most main characters aren't. Mentioning that the player can choose either sex and any name, but that, canonically, for other stories referencing the game, she's Meetra Surik, is sufficient.
While Wookieepedia might not be reliable, the sources it cites are. The sources are the guide to droids, (formerly) referenced in the article, which calls the Exile "she", and other Star Wars books, such as "The Old Republic: Revan" give her a name. It's hardly OR to say that Source A (the game) gives us a character, and Source B (the book) describes that character to make it obvious who it is and gives her a name. Is it OR if a news article says "the Queen" did something newsworthy but never specifically names Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom in it, but it's obvious who the article's about? Of course not - that sort of synthesis is just editing. Besides, we're talking about a Star Wars video game, and fictional books are going to be sources for any kind of work where there's an entire fictional universe. One episode of a TV series can refer to a character in a previous episode, and both can go in an article about the character without a source coming right out and saying they're the same person.
WP:INUNIVERSE doesn't apply, since "canon status" is directed as much to future writers and readers in the real world as it is to other characters in-universe. PaulGS ( talk) 21:10, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
The plot summary is a mess. Regardless of whether the Exile's canonical sex is mentioned in the article, referring to the Exile as "they" is unreadable.
"the Exile is sedated by HK-50, an assassin droid, to be delivered to a crime syndicate... They are rescued by Kreia, with whom they form a Force Bond" Who's rescued? The Exile and HK-50, or just one of them? Does the droid form a bond with Kreia?
"The Exile then travels to four worlds to find reclusive Jedi Masters and either begs their aid or kills them in revenge over their treatment" Whose treatment?
"As the Exile continues their journey, they meet several individuals that join them in their quest" How can the Exile continue "their journey"? Wouldn't the entire group do that?
"The Exile defeats Traya... Depending on the Exile's alignment, they either order the destruction of Malachor V... or remain on Malachor V" How can Traya order anything if she's dead?
The plot summary needs a singular pronoun - it can't alternate between singular and plural when it's discussing numerous people. I realise that "he or she" is awkward, but "they" is plural, and, in this context, very ambiguous. Since - like it or not - the Exile is canonically female, I suggest female pronouns for readability. "He" would be tolerable, but my second choice here. PaulGS ( talk)
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