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I would like to see us have a table with what color each division wore in each series. I say this because it gets quite confusing during the movie years. It may also just be easier to show what type of uniform and what color, so we could also include special forces, engineers, security, and cadets. I may start working on this myself, and if anyone wants to help, let me know. TEG 06:28, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
MBR and her son used to run "Lincoln Enterprises" with Gene's blessing and lust for profit. I think it began when the fan mail came in and the cast & crew were giving things to fans instead of selling them. LE could be considered the ultimate source. They sold the original fan uniform patterns, and I remember this: (by the 3rd season, by the time they had things figured out) GOLD was command, not command and anything else, just command. RED was services and BLUE was sciences. http://www.roddenberry.com/ Also see Bjo Trimble, the fan who saved Star Trek and was the original Trek encyclopedist.
The command shirt was originally green, but came out gold on camera because editing and networks did not understand that SPOCK was supposed to be green and color corrected. See Nimoy's Books I am Not Spock, and I am Spock for confirmation. Kirk's additional green shirt was that color green on purpose, for the "Enemy Within" (the one with two Kirks). Early Starlogs will also confirm that Spock was color corrected. (anyone watching the original not remastered show will see Spock turn from greenish to yellow to pinkish within the same scene)
Movies: White - Command, Gold - Services, Green- Medical, Blue - Sciences, Black - Security, again from Lincoln Enterprises. The address for Lincoln Enterprises is: Lincoln Enterprises 14710 Arminta St. Van Nuys, CA 91402 (818) 989-4978
Is there a reliable source that says in the 2009 movie, 'other personnel wear black one-piece uniforms of a much more "military" appearance, while dress uniforms are red'? Because i got the feeling that the militaristic uniforms themselves were dress uniforms, and that the red ones were for cadets, as no cadet is seen in a black one, and no noncadet is seen in a red one. I could not find a reliable source that says either way, and whoever wrote that portion of the article did not include a specific citation (although they mention Star Trek: The Art of the Film in reference to the admirable uniform in the same sentence). Just looking for clarification. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.223.147.205 ( talk) 08:19, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
I actually thought that the black uniforms with blue / grey shoulders were intended as wartime uniforms designed to minimize the display of classification colors. They were introduced during the Dominion War and there were one or two episodes where it was mentioned that the J'em Hadar (sp?) were targeting specific classifications of Starfleet officers. Such uniforms would not completely prevent such targeting but they would minimize the appearance from a distance. Any thoughts? Ajcomeau ( talk) 18:28, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
(random contribution: sources very difficult to find without watching all of TnG and Voyager) - for those two seasons there are green uniforms in addition to red yellow and blue - these are starfleet's military uniforms.. perhaps it would be better to call them "ground forces" .. anyway, there you go. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.65.190.25 ( talk) 11:04, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
This needs rewriting according to WP:FICT, even if not deleted. Things to mention
and that's just if we are keeping to this name. A general Costumes in Star Trek article would have far more topics, particularly about William Ware Theiss's habit of exposing as much female guest star skin as he possibly could without being remotely obscene. Morwen - Talk 12:33, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
There's an interview with Bob Blackman here -> [1] Morwen - Talk 17:58, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
I saw a old picture of what was to be a Phase II uniform during a show about the Star Trek auction. It looks a lot like the uniforms used for Star Trek(2009). Was this a mistake or is there more proof that the new uniforms are based on the proposed Phase II. If so this should be added into the article somewhere if it doesn't count as original research. 72.150.117.6 ( talk) 07:09, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
where we get this blue/red/yellow business from - is it mentioned in dialog? – There is no definitive in-universe answer for the division color change, which change was actually precipitated by the color which looked best on Patrick Stewart who played the captain. This also explains why Commander Data was assigned to Operations instead of sciences or command, which darker colors combined with the character's pale skin gave him a "zombie-like" appearance. I have read articles stating both of these reasons, but cannot find them now that I try to provide references for Wiki. Will add this as soon as I do.-- Closettrekker ( talk) 19:20, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
One thing that should be addressed is the way TNG cast have been seen on-screen constantly adjusting their uniform tops, pulling them down, after the change from the one-piece spandex costumes. Most notable is Captain Picard, which is seen doing this in almost every subsequent episode. Was this acknowledged by the producers as being inadvertent or was it just deemed necessary during filming, or was it written in the script? In any case it seems to bring up continuity errors as the change in uniforms was never addressed on-screen but is very noticeable. This move seems very inappropriate for a show that had been very successful and fans of the show find the switch as being unauthentic to the period in which the show was set. 74.34.164.80 ( talk) 02:03, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
How about mention something about the TAS uniforms? 83.227.142.90 ( talk) 22:08, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
In the section "Star Trek II through Star Trek VI and Star Trek:Generations" the last paragraph switches from realworld POV to fictional POV using dates of the Star Trek universe instead of referencing the production. I think this page should not be about speculations about the ST universe. 84.0.117.17 ( talk) 15:35, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
"Both male and female characters wear a micro-skirt version of the uniform in the show's first season (TNG: "Encounter at Farpoint"), which many fans found distasteful. After the outcry, the male micro-skirt was never seen again."
My memory of the early Next Gen eps is hazy but I think I would definitely recall if Picard or the other male characters were wearing microskirts. Grcaldwell ( talk) 20:00, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Someone recently added startrekpropauthority.blogspot.com as a reference in several spots. The blog author's profile indicates he's some sort of automotive technician. Is there any compelling reason to think this self-published source meets the "authority in the subject" exception at WP:V? -- EEMIV ( talk) 19:24, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
The content at Starfleet ranks and insignia is overwhelmingly in-universe, but the insignia and trappings of custume-ry seem appropriate for inclusion in this article. With some trimming of both original research, trivia, and redundant information, it seems plausible that the tiny details of Starfleet rank pins & insignia can be covered in the overarching article about Starfleet uniforms. -- EEMIV ( talk) 21:02, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
This seems a more reasonable title.-- Amadscientist ( talk) 06:45, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
"A rank of fleet captain is mentioned in two episodes, but no insignia are shown. An August 3, 1978, memo describing the sleeve stripes for The Motion Picture does not mention the rank of lieutenant j.g., assigning its insignia to ensign, and identifies the rear admiral insignia as having one double-width stripe below one regular-width stripe."
I removed these statements from the general Rank and Insignia section for various reasons. First, the bit about fleet captains is better suited for the TOS section, but would need a fuller discussion of the rank stripes for all other ranks as well. Second, the memo comment seems to be dealing with development rather than with what is shown onscreen. At any rate, it seems to contradict the description of admiral's stripes in the TMP section. Developmental ideas can be included, but it should always be made clear the ways in which they differ from the filmed product.
If anyone wants to more fully incorporate this material, please do so. -- Khajidha ( talk) 23:53, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
"Beverly Crusher often wears a blue laboratory coat over her standard uniform, beginning in TNG: "The Naked Now." The lab coat was primarily developed to hide Gates McFadden's pregnancy. "
This is logically false, The Naked Now is early 1st season, and her pregnancy was 4th season, so it couldn't have been developed for the purpose of something that nobody knew would happen years later. I don't know if we should just change it to "lab coat was used throughout season 4 to hide her pregnancy", or if someone can do more research and figure out if it was indeed used in season 1, and why. 99.250.165.141 ( talk) 15:02, 31 August 2020 (UTC) David C.
An interesting sidelight on the green-or-gold TOS command tunics…the Gold Key comic book series that began in 1967 has them colored green until issue #17, when they change to gold. That’s inside…on the cover, whether a photo or a drawing, they are usually green up to that point, but occasionally gold. 71.162.113.226 ( talk) 01:52, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
I think a bit of rearrangement of sections is in order. I recommend:
This way, the original series conception is established first, and variations in colors and rank insignia should be covered in each succeeding section after 2.
Would this give anybody heartburn if I made these changes? (With minimal change to existing text, of course.) JustinTime55 ( talk) 12:36, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
This is introduced where it's said Rodenberry mandated it, but it is not explained anywhere exactly what it is. That should be added to the Insignia section. JustinTime55 ( talk) 20:47, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Add a section about those prequel uniforms. 207.193.120.163 ( talk) 12:52, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
The green-then-tan colors of the command tunics are well documented by the Gold Key comic books. The first issue, dated July 1967, has a photo on the cover of Kirk and Sulu swearing green shirts. Inside, the command color was green through issue #16, then it changed to tan for #17-61. 96.237.184.133 ( talk) 17:06, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
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I would like to see us have a table with what color each division wore in each series. I say this because it gets quite confusing during the movie years. It may also just be easier to show what type of uniform and what color, so we could also include special forces, engineers, security, and cadets. I may start working on this myself, and if anyone wants to help, let me know. TEG 06:28, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
MBR and her son used to run "Lincoln Enterprises" with Gene's blessing and lust for profit. I think it began when the fan mail came in and the cast & crew were giving things to fans instead of selling them. LE could be considered the ultimate source. They sold the original fan uniform patterns, and I remember this: (by the 3rd season, by the time they had things figured out) GOLD was command, not command and anything else, just command. RED was services and BLUE was sciences. http://www.roddenberry.com/ Also see Bjo Trimble, the fan who saved Star Trek and was the original Trek encyclopedist.
The command shirt was originally green, but came out gold on camera because editing and networks did not understand that SPOCK was supposed to be green and color corrected. See Nimoy's Books I am Not Spock, and I am Spock for confirmation. Kirk's additional green shirt was that color green on purpose, for the "Enemy Within" (the one with two Kirks). Early Starlogs will also confirm that Spock was color corrected. (anyone watching the original not remastered show will see Spock turn from greenish to yellow to pinkish within the same scene)
Movies: White - Command, Gold - Services, Green- Medical, Blue - Sciences, Black - Security, again from Lincoln Enterprises. The address for Lincoln Enterprises is: Lincoln Enterprises 14710 Arminta St. Van Nuys, CA 91402 (818) 989-4978
Is there a reliable source that says in the 2009 movie, 'other personnel wear black one-piece uniforms of a much more "military" appearance, while dress uniforms are red'? Because i got the feeling that the militaristic uniforms themselves were dress uniforms, and that the red ones were for cadets, as no cadet is seen in a black one, and no noncadet is seen in a red one. I could not find a reliable source that says either way, and whoever wrote that portion of the article did not include a specific citation (although they mention Star Trek: The Art of the Film in reference to the admirable uniform in the same sentence). Just looking for clarification. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.223.147.205 ( talk) 08:19, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
I actually thought that the black uniforms with blue / grey shoulders were intended as wartime uniforms designed to minimize the display of classification colors. They were introduced during the Dominion War and there were one or two episodes where it was mentioned that the J'em Hadar (sp?) were targeting specific classifications of Starfleet officers. Such uniforms would not completely prevent such targeting but they would minimize the appearance from a distance. Any thoughts? Ajcomeau ( talk) 18:28, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
(random contribution: sources very difficult to find without watching all of TnG and Voyager) - for those two seasons there are green uniforms in addition to red yellow and blue - these are starfleet's military uniforms.. perhaps it would be better to call them "ground forces" .. anyway, there you go. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.65.190.25 ( talk) 11:04, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
This needs rewriting according to WP:FICT, even if not deleted. Things to mention
and that's just if we are keeping to this name. A general Costumes in Star Trek article would have far more topics, particularly about William Ware Theiss's habit of exposing as much female guest star skin as he possibly could without being remotely obscene. Morwen - Talk 12:33, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
There's an interview with Bob Blackman here -> [1] Morwen - Talk 17:58, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
I saw a old picture of what was to be a Phase II uniform during a show about the Star Trek auction. It looks a lot like the uniforms used for Star Trek(2009). Was this a mistake or is there more proof that the new uniforms are based on the proposed Phase II. If so this should be added into the article somewhere if it doesn't count as original research. 72.150.117.6 ( talk) 07:09, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
where we get this blue/red/yellow business from - is it mentioned in dialog? – There is no definitive in-universe answer for the division color change, which change was actually precipitated by the color which looked best on Patrick Stewart who played the captain. This also explains why Commander Data was assigned to Operations instead of sciences or command, which darker colors combined with the character's pale skin gave him a "zombie-like" appearance. I have read articles stating both of these reasons, but cannot find them now that I try to provide references for Wiki. Will add this as soon as I do.-- Closettrekker ( talk) 19:20, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
One thing that should be addressed is the way TNG cast have been seen on-screen constantly adjusting their uniform tops, pulling them down, after the change from the one-piece spandex costumes. Most notable is Captain Picard, which is seen doing this in almost every subsequent episode. Was this acknowledged by the producers as being inadvertent or was it just deemed necessary during filming, or was it written in the script? In any case it seems to bring up continuity errors as the change in uniforms was never addressed on-screen but is very noticeable. This move seems very inappropriate for a show that had been very successful and fans of the show find the switch as being unauthentic to the period in which the show was set. 74.34.164.80 ( talk) 02:03, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
How about mention something about the TAS uniforms? 83.227.142.90 ( talk) 22:08, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
In the section "Star Trek II through Star Trek VI and Star Trek:Generations" the last paragraph switches from realworld POV to fictional POV using dates of the Star Trek universe instead of referencing the production. I think this page should not be about speculations about the ST universe. 84.0.117.17 ( talk) 15:35, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
"Both male and female characters wear a micro-skirt version of the uniform in the show's first season (TNG: "Encounter at Farpoint"), which many fans found distasteful. After the outcry, the male micro-skirt was never seen again."
My memory of the early Next Gen eps is hazy but I think I would definitely recall if Picard or the other male characters were wearing microskirts. Grcaldwell ( talk) 20:00, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Someone recently added startrekpropauthority.blogspot.com as a reference in several spots. The blog author's profile indicates he's some sort of automotive technician. Is there any compelling reason to think this self-published source meets the "authority in the subject" exception at WP:V? -- EEMIV ( talk) 19:24, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
The content at Starfleet ranks and insignia is overwhelmingly in-universe, but the insignia and trappings of custume-ry seem appropriate for inclusion in this article. With some trimming of both original research, trivia, and redundant information, it seems plausible that the tiny details of Starfleet rank pins & insignia can be covered in the overarching article about Starfleet uniforms. -- EEMIV ( talk) 21:02, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
This seems a more reasonable title.-- Amadscientist ( talk) 06:45, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
"A rank of fleet captain is mentioned in two episodes, but no insignia are shown. An August 3, 1978, memo describing the sleeve stripes for The Motion Picture does not mention the rank of lieutenant j.g., assigning its insignia to ensign, and identifies the rear admiral insignia as having one double-width stripe below one regular-width stripe."
I removed these statements from the general Rank and Insignia section for various reasons. First, the bit about fleet captains is better suited for the TOS section, but would need a fuller discussion of the rank stripes for all other ranks as well. Second, the memo comment seems to be dealing with development rather than with what is shown onscreen. At any rate, it seems to contradict the description of admiral's stripes in the TMP section. Developmental ideas can be included, but it should always be made clear the ways in which they differ from the filmed product.
If anyone wants to more fully incorporate this material, please do so. -- Khajidha ( talk) 23:53, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
"Beverly Crusher often wears a blue laboratory coat over her standard uniform, beginning in TNG: "The Naked Now." The lab coat was primarily developed to hide Gates McFadden's pregnancy. "
This is logically false, The Naked Now is early 1st season, and her pregnancy was 4th season, so it couldn't have been developed for the purpose of something that nobody knew would happen years later. I don't know if we should just change it to "lab coat was used throughout season 4 to hide her pregnancy", or if someone can do more research and figure out if it was indeed used in season 1, and why. 99.250.165.141 ( talk) 15:02, 31 August 2020 (UTC) David C.
An interesting sidelight on the green-or-gold TOS command tunics…the Gold Key comic book series that began in 1967 has them colored green until issue #17, when they change to gold. That’s inside…on the cover, whether a photo or a drawing, they are usually green up to that point, but occasionally gold. 71.162.113.226 ( talk) 01:52, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
I think a bit of rearrangement of sections is in order. I recommend:
This way, the original series conception is established first, and variations in colors and rank insignia should be covered in each succeeding section after 2.
Would this give anybody heartburn if I made these changes? (With minimal change to existing text, of course.) JustinTime55 ( talk) 12:36, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
This is introduced where it's said Rodenberry mandated it, but it is not explained anywhere exactly what it is. That should be added to the Insignia section. JustinTime55 ( talk) 20:47, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Add a section about those prequel uniforms. 207.193.120.163 ( talk) 12:52, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
The green-then-tan colors of the command tunics are well documented by the Gold Key comic books. The first issue, dated July 1967, has a photo on the cover of Kirk and Sulu swearing green shirts. Inside, the command color was green through issue #16, then it changed to tan for #17-61. 96.237.184.133 ( talk) 17:06, 18 April 2024 (UTC)