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The Stanley Theatre has a lot of history, but unfortunately I haven't been able to find any references yet. If anyone can cite information about its glory days as a movie theatre, that would really help the article. Also, if anyone has information about the period when it looked like it was going to be converted into shops (?) and the Save Our Stanley movement to preserve it, that would be helpful too. Thanks—let's make this a really great article! Moisejp 03:41, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
I think this list should be separated into a separate article as it is getting rather long. Separation wouldn't take anything away from the content of this page as it stands but will make scrolling to the bottom of the page significantly faster. Thoughts? Konnetikut ( talk) 01:35, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
I like the idea of separating this part of the article into its own thing. For that fact that you said it won’t take away from the article and easier scrolling.-- DavidD4scnrt ( talk) 09:56, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm thinking about changing the "Productions and events" list to the format in 5th Avenue Theatre. The advantage of that would be that the different boxes can be shown or hidden, so it'd make the article more compact. (Oh look, the 5th Avenue's "Seasons prior to 2004-2005" part is extra super duper compact.) What do you all think? It'd take some work but I am willing to do it if people think it worthwhile. The only little question I am wrestling with a tiny bit is, is it better to limit it to productions put on by the Arts Club? If so all the sections would be nice and "short & sweet," but less complete. I'm leaning towards including all productions and events, as it is now, but then some years, like 2007, will be a little "long & messy." Not so bad though, and since the different sections can be hidden, it'll be all the neater. Well, any thoughts about all of this before I go ahead and get started? Moisejp ( talk) 09:22, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
The Stanley Theatre has not been self-supporting financially, but has gotten millions of dollars of direct government subsidy support and grants for more than a decade. Here are some sources, though I couldn't easily find any publicly disclosed budget or financial reports. Gwen Gale ( talk) 08:54, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
I sent an email off to TPTB at Stanley. Response was:
I think we can safely revert any massive removals of information from the article. Loren.wilton ( talk) 00:08, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Oh goodie, he's back. Same IP and all. I see RedRocket just reverted his Daily Deletion a little while ago. Loren.wilton ( talk) 07:20, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
I have added an infobox and logo, but then I noticed maybe it is strange that the infobox and logo call it the Stanley Industrial Alliance Stage, when this name change isn't mentioned until the middle of "Live Stage Years." Do you think the name change should be mentioned in the opening sentences? I hadn't wanted to put too much emphasis on the new name, since it has historically always been known as the Stanley Theatre and only the last three years been the Stanley Industrial Alliance Stage. But maybe with the addition of the logo this name change needs to made clearer at the start of the article. What do people think? Moisejp ( talk) 00:29, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
I wonder where the name Stanley came from back in 1930. Gwen Gale ( talk) 03:31, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
One thing I noticed from my research that's a little fuzzy is different people's roles in the fundraising and transfer of ownership to the Arts Club. If we could clarify that in the article, it could be good.
This article:
http://www.boardoftrade.com/vbot_sb_search.asp?pageID=178&sbsearch=jansson&searchissue=All&ArticleID=913&IssueID=56&offset=&sbpage=SD says "Declining revenues resulted in its closure in 1991, followed by six years of various groups campaigning to preserve its heritage features and revitalize it for live theatre. After receiving funding from all three levels of government and the private sector, the final effort known as The Stanley Theatre Mortgage Buster Campaign kicked in. Headed by Co-Chairs actor Jackson Davies and Harri Jansson . . ." So there were multiple stages of campaigning and Jackson Davies and Harri Jansson were just involved in the "Mortgage Buster" stage, according to this.
This one:
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/westcoastnews/story.html?id=3820d6fb-19e6-4b39-9a55-dc59bbd4ecbd just says that Jackson Davies co-chaired the $9 million campaign.
This one:
http://www.canadiantheatre.com/dict.pl?term=Stanley%20Theatre%20duMaurier%20Stage
says "It was purchased from owners Famous Players by several groups lead by Save Our Stanley (headed by Dr. Tom Perry) and a fund-raising organization including Vancouver Theatresports and the Arts Club. All levels of government kicked in with duMaurier being the lead corporate sponsor." So according to this someone named Dr. Tom Perry was central to the campaigning, but I couldn't find anything else about him and the Stanley. Maybe I'll try again. It also says the Arts Club was involved at the fundraising stage (and I'm pretty sure I saw that somewhere else too) but that isn't conveyed in the article as it stands now. I wonder at one point in the fundraising process it became not just an attempt to save the theatre in some way, but it was decided that the Arts Club would be taking over it. Also, I have to track down the reference, but I think I saw somewhere that Bill Millerd of the Arts Club was an important figure in the fundraising.
This article:
http://www.straight.com/article/industrial-strength-sponsor-for-stanley
says that a Harley Harris was the president of the Stanley Theatre Society.
Here:
http://www.straight.com/article/room-to-play-0
it is talking about Jon Stettner (now the Playhouse Theatre Company manager) and says: "As general manager of the Arts Club Theatre Company in the latter half of the '90s, for example, he helped pull the organization into the black after years of annual deficits and oversaw its acquisition of the Stanley Theatre." By the way, this point about the Stanley helping save the Arts Club from years of annual defecits could be a good point to mention. Maybe we could link this information with the following from the Arts Club website:
http://www.artsclub.com/about/index.htm
"The Stanley Industrial Alliance Stage opened to the public with Dean Regan's record-setting production of Swing in October 1998, and it is now the company's main venue. An intimate version of a Broadway or London classic theatre, this elegant venue has permitted the company to move into the exciting arena of producing larger musicals, 20th-century classics, and acclaimed productions from around the world." Well, we may have to do more research before we can explicitly say that through its new ability to produce more famous musicals, the Arts Club was able to attract more theatregoers, which helped it get into the black, but it could be something to investigate.
Anyway, if we can sort through what the different stages of fundraising there were, and who was involved at each stage, that could make that section of the article tighter. Anyone want to help out with sorting through that? Moisejp ( talk) 08:02, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Also, another point to investigate: I have to track it down again, but in one article I read, I'm pretty sure it called the theatre something like the Stanley duMaurier Stage. So at one point, before duMaurier dropped out as a sponsor, there may have been an official or semi-official name change that had duMaurier in it. If so, that might be worth mentioning in the text, if we can find out more info about that. Moisejp ( talk) 08:08, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
On the Heritage plaque it says that a "transferable density bonus was granted by the city to assist with the cost of preserving the building." Here: http://www.city.vancouver.bc.ca/ctyclerk/cclerk/960627/pemin.htm it says "The proposal to develop a 450 ft. high, 600-room hotel tower includes a heritage transfer of density of 44.000 sq. ft. from the Stanley Theatre." I can kind of guess what that all means but can anyone clarify exactly what that means? Loren.wilton ( talk), do you know? Moisejp ( talk) 23:47, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Density bonus ordinances permit developers to increase the number of units allowed on a piece of property if they agree to restrict the rents or sales prices on some of the units. [1]
Anyway what a bureaucratic, meaningless artifact of local politics to put on a plaque. It looks to me like at some time there were related plans (one would glark by one of the donors) to build a huge hotel nearby and that project would have in effect been given some leeway under the local zoning laws. It's kinda funny, makes it almost seem as though the donor had so little trust in local politicians, they had to cast the promise in metal and hang it on the wall of the theatre :) Gwen Gale ( talk) 00:12, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I seem to recall as a movie theatre the Stanley had a THX Lucasfilm sound system but I couldn't find anthing about it online. If anyone else can find any references about that, cheers in advance! Moisejp ( talk) 15:32, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I have been searching through the Arts Club website to find information to help bring this article more up to date. There is quite a lot of information, we just have to decide what to use. One thing is that a lot of the info is about both the Arts Club's stages, not the Stanley stage only, but I think we can work with that.
Any opinions about what else of this to include? Moisejp ( talk) 00:13, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
I got permission from someone to use several more photos. For now I have put seven of them in a gallery and one more in the Productions and Events section. But I would like to work some of the other seven back into the article. I'm thinking of putting the "Looking North on Granville" one into the Granville Street article with a link to the Stanley article. I wanted to put one of the really nice marquee pictures right at the start of the Stanley article but so far I have been unable to find a nice layout. Another option would be to move or remove the Stanley logo and put a pic in the infobox. Moisejp ( talk) 23:39, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
I slightly reworded the description of the dome image to make it more along the lines of how these images are captioned in magazines that deal with theater tech and architecture.
I have said "view from the stage" but I don't really know if that is true. It might have been "from the orchestra pit" or "from the front of the house". If this is correctly known it would be good to make the description correct. Also, it would be typical to mention the seating in the image: which section is this? Orchestra, main seating, first balcony, something else? Loren.wilton ( talk) 02:03, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
I added the Stanley to the the template of Landmarks in Metro Vancouver (after consulting its discussion group, but there was no response so I went ahead and added it) and then tried to add the template to the article, but it doesn't show. I think maybe I need to add the Stanley's coordinates, because all the articles for the other spots in the template have their coordinates showing. I tried to find the coordinates using WikiMapia.org, but it kept crashing my Safari. Maybe I will try again later. But if anyone else can easily figure it out, that would be really great too. Thanks! Moisejp ( talk) 01:04, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
This review is transcluded from Talk:Stanley Industrial Alliance Stage/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Here are my comments about prose:
The last suggestion for the future is to create a new page and list all productions there. Now, this list takes a lot of space. I don't mind much, but it may bug some readers. I am going to put this on hold for seven days.-- Crzy cheetah 07:06, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
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content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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The Stanley Theatre has a lot of history, but unfortunately I haven't been able to find any references yet. If anyone can cite information about its glory days as a movie theatre, that would really help the article. Also, if anyone has information about the period when it looked like it was going to be converted into shops (?) and the Save Our Stanley movement to preserve it, that would be helpful too. Thanks—let's make this a really great article! Moisejp 03:41, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
I think this list should be separated into a separate article as it is getting rather long. Separation wouldn't take anything away from the content of this page as it stands but will make scrolling to the bottom of the page significantly faster. Thoughts? Konnetikut ( talk) 01:35, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
I like the idea of separating this part of the article into its own thing. For that fact that you said it won’t take away from the article and easier scrolling.-- DavidD4scnrt ( talk) 09:56, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm thinking about changing the "Productions and events" list to the format in 5th Avenue Theatre. The advantage of that would be that the different boxes can be shown or hidden, so it'd make the article more compact. (Oh look, the 5th Avenue's "Seasons prior to 2004-2005" part is extra super duper compact.) What do you all think? It'd take some work but I am willing to do it if people think it worthwhile. The only little question I am wrestling with a tiny bit is, is it better to limit it to productions put on by the Arts Club? If so all the sections would be nice and "short & sweet," but less complete. I'm leaning towards including all productions and events, as it is now, but then some years, like 2007, will be a little "long & messy." Not so bad though, and since the different sections can be hidden, it'll be all the neater. Well, any thoughts about all of this before I go ahead and get started? Moisejp ( talk) 09:22, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
The Stanley Theatre has not been self-supporting financially, but has gotten millions of dollars of direct government subsidy support and grants for more than a decade. Here are some sources, though I couldn't easily find any publicly disclosed budget or financial reports. Gwen Gale ( talk) 08:54, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
I sent an email off to TPTB at Stanley. Response was:
I think we can safely revert any massive removals of information from the article. Loren.wilton ( talk) 00:08, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Oh goodie, he's back. Same IP and all. I see RedRocket just reverted his Daily Deletion a little while ago. Loren.wilton ( talk) 07:20, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
I have added an infobox and logo, but then I noticed maybe it is strange that the infobox and logo call it the Stanley Industrial Alliance Stage, when this name change isn't mentioned until the middle of "Live Stage Years." Do you think the name change should be mentioned in the opening sentences? I hadn't wanted to put too much emphasis on the new name, since it has historically always been known as the Stanley Theatre and only the last three years been the Stanley Industrial Alliance Stage. But maybe with the addition of the logo this name change needs to made clearer at the start of the article. What do people think? Moisejp ( talk) 00:29, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
I wonder where the name Stanley came from back in 1930. Gwen Gale ( talk) 03:31, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
One thing I noticed from my research that's a little fuzzy is different people's roles in the fundraising and transfer of ownership to the Arts Club. If we could clarify that in the article, it could be good.
This article:
http://www.boardoftrade.com/vbot_sb_search.asp?pageID=178&sbsearch=jansson&searchissue=All&ArticleID=913&IssueID=56&offset=&sbpage=SD says "Declining revenues resulted in its closure in 1991, followed by six years of various groups campaigning to preserve its heritage features and revitalize it for live theatre. After receiving funding from all three levels of government and the private sector, the final effort known as The Stanley Theatre Mortgage Buster Campaign kicked in. Headed by Co-Chairs actor Jackson Davies and Harri Jansson . . ." So there were multiple stages of campaigning and Jackson Davies and Harri Jansson were just involved in the "Mortgage Buster" stage, according to this.
This one:
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/westcoastnews/story.html?id=3820d6fb-19e6-4b39-9a55-dc59bbd4ecbd just says that Jackson Davies co-chaired the $9 million campaign.
This one:
http://www.canadiantheatre.com/dict.pl?term=Stanley%20Theatre%20duMaurier%20Stage
says "It was purchased from owners Famous Players by several groups lead by Save Our Stanley (headed by Dr. Tom Perry) and a fund-raising organization including Vancouver Theatresports and the Arts Club. All levels of government kicked in with duMaurier being the lead corporate sponsor." So according to this someone named Dr. Tom Perry was central to the campaigning, but I couldn't find anything else about him and the Stanley. Maybe I'll try again. It also says the Arts Club was involved at the fundraising stage (and I'm pretty sure I saw that somewhere else too) but that isn't conveyed in the article as it stands now. I wonder at one point in the fundraising process it became not just an attempt to save the theatre in some way, but it was decided that the Arts Club would be taking over it. Also, I have to track down the reference, but I think I saw somewhere that Bill Millerd of the Arts Club was an important figure in the fundraising.
This article:
http://www.straight.com/article/industrial-strength-sponsor-for-stanley
says that a Harley Harris was the president of the Stanley Theatre Society.
Here:
http://www.straight.com/article/room-to-play-0
it is talking about Jon Stettner (now the Playhouse Theatre Company manager) and says: "As general manager of the Arts Club Theatre Company in the latter half of the '90s, for example, he helped pull the organization into the black after years of annual deficits and oversaw its acquisition of the Stanley Theatre." By the way, this point about the Stanley helping save the Arts Club from years of annual defecits could be a good point to mention. Maybe we could link this information with the following from the Arts Club website:
http://www.artsclub.com/about/index.htm
"The Stanley Industrial Alliance Stage opened to the public with Dean Regan's record-setting production of Swing in October 1998, and it is now the company's main venue. An intimate version of a Broadway or London classic theatre, this elegant venue has permitted the company to move into the exciting arena of producing larger musicals, 20th-century classics, and acclaimed productions from around the world." Well, we may have to do more research before we can explicitly say that through its new ability to produce more famous musicals, the Arts Club was able to attract more theatregoers, which helped it get into the black, but it could be something to investigate.
Anyway, if we can sort through what the different stages of fundraising there were, and who was involved at each stage, that could make that section of the article tighter. Anyone want to help out with sorting through that? Moisejp ( talk) 08:02, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Also, another point to investigate: I have to track it down again, but in one article I read, I'm pretty sure it called the theatre something like the Stanley duMaurier Stage. So at one point, before duMaurier dropped out as a sponsor, there may have been an official or semi-official name change that had duMaurier in it. If so, that might be worth mentioning in the text, if we can find out more info about that. Moisejp ( talk) 08:08, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
On the Heritage plaque it says that a "transferable density bonus was granted by the city to assist with the cost of preserving the building." Here: http://www.city.vancouver.bc.ca/ctyclerk/cclerk/960627/pemin.htm it says "The proposal to develop a 450 ft. high, 600-room hotel tower includes a heritage transfer of density of 44.000 sq. ft. from the Stanley Theatre." I can kind of guess what that all means but can anyone clarify exactly what that means? Loren.wilton ( talk), do you know? Moisejp ( talk) 23:47, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Density bonus ordinances permit developers to increase the number of units allowed on a piece of property if they agree to restrict the rents or sales prices on some of the units. [1]
Anyway what a bureaucratic, meaningless artifact of local politics to put on a plaque. It looks to me like at some time there were related plans (one would glark by one of the donors) to build a huge hotel nearby and that project would have in effect been given some leeway under the local zoning laws. It's kinda funny, makes it almost seem as though the donor had so little trust in local politicians, they had to cast the promise in metal and hang it on the wall of the theatre :) Gwen Gale ( talk) 00:12, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I seem to recall as a movie theatre the Stanley had a THX Lucasfilm sound system but I couldn't find anthing about it online. If anyone else can find any references about that, cheers in advance! Moisejp ( talk) 15:32, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I have been searching through the Arts Club website to find information to help bring this article more up to date. There is quite a lot of information, we just have to decide what to use. One thing is that a lot of the info is about both the Arts Club's stages, not the Stanley stage only, but I think we can work with that.
Any opinions about what else of this to include? Moisejp ( talk) 00:13, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
I got permission from someone to use several more photos. For now I have put seven of them in a gallery and one more in the Productions and Events section. But I would like to work some of the other seven back into the article. I'm thinking of putting the "Looking North on Granville" one into the Granville Street article with a link to the Stanley article. I wanted to put one of the really nice marquee pictures right at the start of the Stanley article but so far I have been unable to find a nice layout. Another option would be to move or remove the Stanley logo and put a pic in the infobox. Moisejp ( talk) 23:39, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
I slightly reworded the description of the dome image to make it more along the lines of how these images are captioned in magazines that deal with theater tech and architecture.
I have said "view from the stage" but I don't really know if that is true. It might have been "from the orchestra pit" or "from the front of the house". If this is correctly known it would be good to make the description correct. Also, it would be typical to mention the seating in the image: which section is this? Orchestra, main seating, first balcony, something else? Loren.wilton ( talk) 02:03, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
I added the Stanley to the the template of Landmarks in Metro Vancouver (after consulting its discussion group, but there was no response so I went ahead and added it) and then tried to add the template to the article, but it doesn't show. I think maybe I need to add the Stanley's coordinates, because all the articles for the other spots in the template have their coordinates showing. I tried to find the coordinates using WikiMapia.org, but it kept crashing my Safari. Maybe I will try again later. But if anyone else can easily figure it out, that would be really great too. Thanks! Moisejp ( talk) 01:04, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
This review is transcluded from Talk:Stanley Industrial Alliance Stage/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Here are my comments about prose:
The last suggestion for the future is to create a new page and list all productions there. Now, this list takes a lot of space. I don't mind much, but it may bug some readers. I am going to put this on hold for seven days.-- Crzy cheetah 07:06, 18 June 2008 (UTC)