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Tommy Goldstein is a lecturer at Stanford Law School. He co-teaches the Supreme Court Litigation Clinic with Pamela Karlan. He also runs the popular ScotusBlog. I vote for re-adding him to the Notable Faculty list.
There are also several notable faculty whose names already have articles: Larry Kramer and Richard Ford are two that I checked. Not sure how we should deal with this. Other notable faculty that could be added: Mark Kelman, Thomas Grey, Robert Weisberg, Barbara Freid, George Fisher, Marcus Cole, Pamela Karlan, Mark Lemley, Barbara Babcock, Larry Marshall (off the top of my head...)
- Dana Powers 21:41, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
There is clear Columbia trolling going on here. First, Stanford isn't usually behind Harvard - 6 of the past 8 years, Stanford has been second. Harvard only recently claimed the title and 1 point on the US News score is the difference. Second, Stanford isn't "just" ahead of Columbia. I believe the US News score difference is about 7 points. Edit the page.
The law school has now dropped the logo shown in the current photo (the leaf looking thing). Here are a couple from my flickr stream that might be nice replacements: [1] [2]
- Dana Powers 18:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Recent edits to this article have included the fact that a 3.4 mean is enforced in exam classes. The cite given only lists stanford has having this mean, though it says that top schools are raising their means. It is my understanding that Harvard also curves to a 3.4 (any HLS students out there?). I don't see how this specificity is relevant, at least without including this same detail in other top law schools wiki profiles. As it stands, it makes it seem like Stanford is grade inflating in a way other schools aren't. If it's thought to be a relevant fact for this article, I'd say it should only be included if it's included in at least some articles about peer schools (it is not in Harvard, Columbia, NYU, or Chicago's profiles, and Yale does not give grades in the traditional sense). Thoughts?
To the persistent editor -- if I'm missing some reason why it's relevant, please explicate here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.44.212.48 ( talk • contribs) 07:16, 26 December 2006
>>There was a cite to a stanford law school recruiting page. Also, stating the fact that Stanford has a 3.4 curve doesn't automatically suggest that Stanford inflates grades. The school is open about having a 3.4 curve, as such information is publicly available on the law school's website. Removing such information or mentioning grade inflation more strongly suggests that the school really does inflate grades. Also, why won't you allow this information to be part of the page? Grades are a huge part of law school and the curve is important to grading. Wouldn't the article be more complete and honest if it gave the mean grade? Why do you need to take the curve information off of the Stanford page instead of adding curve information to other law school wiki pages? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lightbulb1 ( talk • contribs) 17:29, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Lquilter. I'm new to this and was hoping someone out there would agree. Responding to above -- I had no problem with either cite, and it's true that Stanford is open about it. I think LQuilter's hitting the same point I am, which is that it can't be relevant to include it only for Stanford without including it for peer universities. Including it for just Stanford does "automatically suggest that Stanford inflates grades," as you put it, since when anyone looks up the peer schools they find no such information. To be a law dork, since I know lquilter will get this, expressio unius. If you're only including it in one place, it's assumed to be excluded/different elsewhere.
I do sort of dispute your argument about the relevance. Stanford had a 3.2 mean until 6 years ago, and employment prospects didn't suddenly go up after the change. It's Stanford, and the grades really don't matter for the majority of the students. The quality of the school is far more relevant to its employment profile than whatever GPA mean they decide to follow (Chicago's is notoriously brutal and always has been).
Still, the relevance of the information if it were in other articles as well is arguable. I don't think I would have a problem if all or most peer law school articles included this information, as you suggested. But why should it be on me/everyone else to look this up? I "took the curve information off the Stanford page instead of adding curve information to other law school wiki pages" because I don't even think I could look that stuff up -- I'm sure most schools don't make that publicly available. Even if I could, I think you should have to do the legwork. Until that's done, I'm going to rest on Lquilter's laurels =). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.44.212.48 ( talk • contribs) 22:04, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
I've added an NPOV tag to this article, which is almost comically biased. The "Academics and Admissions section" is particularly bad; it reads as though it was taken verbatim from promotional material. Lest I be taken for a troll, I should note that the HLS paage is even worse. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Elliotreed ( talk • contribs) 04:36, 29 December 2006 (UTC). bg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.126.122.81 ( talk) 16:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
As stated in my edit summary, the pass rate change justification is "Use 'most recent' per Template:Infobox law school guidelines. Please see discussion at Template talk:Infobox law school". This is a problem not just with SLS, but multiple law school articles. The template needs changing and discussion has opened there. Please contribute. -- S. Rich ( talk) 03:22, 15 August 2011 (UTC)03:23, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
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Tommy Goldstein is a lecturer at Stanford Law School. He co-teaches the Supreme Court Litigation Clinic with Pamela Karlan. He also runs the popular ScotusBlog. I vote for re-adding him to the Notable Faculty list.
There are also several notable faculty whose names already have articles: Larry Kramer and Richard Ford are two that I checked. Not sure how we should deal with this. Other notable faculty that could be added: Mark Kelman, Thomas Grey, Robert Weisberg, Barbara Freid, George Fisher, Marcus Cole, Pamela Karlan, Mark Lemley, Barbara Babcock, Larry Marshall (off the top of my head...)
- Dana Powers 21:41, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
There is clear Columbia trolling going on here. First, Stanford isn't usually behind Harvard - 6 of the past 8 years, Stanford has been second. Harvard only recently claimed the title and 1 point on the US News score is the difference. Second, Stanford isn't "just" ahead of Columbia. I believe the US News score difference is about 7 points. Edit the page.
The law school has now dropped the logo shown in the current photo (the leaf looking thing). Here are a couple from my flickr stream that might be nice replacements: [1] [2]
- Dana Powers 18:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Recent edits to this article have included the fact that a 3.4 mean is enforced in exam classes. The cite given only lists stanford has having this mean, though it says that top schools are raising their means. It is my understanding that Harvard also curves to a 3.4 (any HLS students out there?). I don't see how this specificity is relevant, at least without including this same detail in other top law schools wiki profiles. As it stands, it makes it seem like Stanford is grade inflating in a way other schools aren't. If it's thought to be a relevant fact for this article, I'd say it should only be included if it's included in at least some articles about peer schools (it is not in Harvard, Columbia, NYU, or Chicago's profiles, and Yale does not give grades in the traditional sense). Thoughts?
To the persistent editor -- if I'm missing some reason why it's relevant, please explicate here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.44.212.48 ( talk • contribs) 07:16, 26 December 2006
>>There was a cite to a stanford law school recruiting page. Also, stating the fact that Stanford has a 3.4 curve doesn't automatically suggest that Stanford inflates grades. The school is open about having a 3.4 curve, as such information is publicly available on the law school's website. Removing such information or mentioning grade inflation more strongly suggests that the school really does inflate grades. Also, why won't you allow this information to be part of the page? Grades are a huge part of law school and the curve is important to grading. Wouldn't the article be more complete and honest if it gave the mean grade? Why do you need to take the curve information off of the Stanford page instead of adding curve information to other law school wiki pages? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lightbulb1 ( talk • contribs) 17:29, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Lquilter. I'm new to this and was hoping someone out there would agree. Responding to above -- I had no problem with either cite, and it's true that Stanford is open about it. I think LQuilter's hitting the same point I am, which is that it can't be relevant to include it only for Stanford without including it for peer universities. Including it for just Stanford does "automatically suggest that Stanford inflates grades," as you put it, since when anyone looks up the peer schools they find no such information. To be a law dork, since I know lquilter will get this, expressio unius. If you're only including it in one place, it's assumed to be excluded/different elsewhere.
I do sort of dispute your argument about the relevance. Stanford had a 3.2 mean until 6 years ago, and employment prospects didn't suddenly go up after the change. It's Stanford, and the grades really don't matter for the majority of the students. The quality of the school is far more relevant to its employment profile than whatever GPA mean they decide to follow (Chicago's is notoriously brutal and always has been).
Still, the relevance of the information if it were in other articles as well is arguable. I don't think I would have a problem if all or most peer law school articles included this information, as you suggested. But why should it be on me/everyone else to look this up? I "took the curve information off the Stanford page instead of adding curve information to other law school wiki pages" because I don't even think I could look that stuff up -- I'm sure most schools don't make that publicly available. Even if I could, I think you should have to do the legwork. Until that's done, I'm going to rest on Lquilter's laurels =). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.44.212.48 ( talk • contribs) 22:04, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
I've added an NPOV tag to this article, which is almost comically biased. The "Academics and Admissions section" is particularly bad; it reads as though it was taken verbatim from promotional material. Lest I be taken for a troll, I should note that the HLS paage is even worse. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Elliotreed ( talk • contribs) 04:36, 29 December 2006 (UTC). bg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.126.122.81 ( talk) 16:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
As stated in my edit summary, the pass rate change justification is "Use 'most recent' per Template:Infobox law school guidelines. Please see discussion at Template talk:Infobox law school". This is a problem not just with SLS, but multiple law school articles. The template needs changing and discussion has opened there. Please contribute. -- S. Rich ( talk) 03:22, 15 August 2011 (UTC)03:23, 15 August 2011 (UTC)