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This article really needs some sources that describe who used these test images. I have never seen Masuda anywhere before, and I couldn't find it on Google.... ~ MDD 46 96 00:36, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that most of the images had been uploaded in 8bit (actually, all of them except Lenna and Peppers)... I had most of them in 24bit png (I presume they're good quality, though I can't remember where I got them from exatly). The only ones I didn't have are Masuda1 and Masuda2 which I do remember seeing a few years ago. The two Matsuda images on the page are currently in 8bit (256 colors). Anyone has them in 24bit? Petit 03:48, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
This gallery is pretty much a massive blatant violation of both copyright law and wikipedia policy. We've got these images here under a rationale of fair use, which requires that we either be using them to illustrate something that we couldn't illustrate otherwise or else that we're making some kind of critical commentary on the images themselves. Policy-wise, Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files. A couple of typical test images to illustrate what's normally used, and historically important ones like lenna make sense to include, but we shouldn't have a gallery of every copyrighted image that's been appropriated by the imaging field for their own purposes. Night Gyr 07:39, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the gallery per WP:IUP#Photo_montages. If someone were to find a free image that would be suitable for inclusion. -- Oden 21:05, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Fair use criterion #3 says:
The gallery/montage consisted of 15 high-resolution fair use images. None of the images were placed adjacent to article text. Fair use criterion #3 says:
None of the images are discussed in great detail the article. I have removed them on these grounds. -- Oden 01:21, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately the subject of this article is generic and not specific (an article on test images in general can be compared to an article on oil paintings or on coats of arms). The possibility that a fair use image could be replaced by an image available under a free license cannot be ruled out.
I would also like to point out that articles on similar topics like Color calibration, Color management, Linux color management and CMYK color model are illustrated only using free images. The same is true for the Cornell Box, the Utah teapot and the Stanford Bunny. However, removing any images should not detract from the quality of the article text in any article. -- Oden 17:54, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
There are some severe misunderstandings going on here. Firstly: You can't compare the images of the Cornell Box, the Utah teapot and the Stanford Bunny to these test images. Those three objects are three dimensional test objects. Their shapes are described as long lists of spatial coordinates - there is no 'image' in the (possibly) copyrighted source data. The making of an image from that data set produces a picture that contains none of the original data - just as taking a photograph of a car does not infringe on the copyrights of the blueprints of that car. Hence, the renderings of those can be free even while the objects themselves might not be. However, these Standard Test Images are just that - two-dimensional images that are exactly what they are. We can no more make a free image of Lenna than we could make our own free version of Gillian Ayres' Image:Ayres, Antony and Cleopatra.jpg.
On the other hand, if we change these test images in any way whatever, they cease to be test images - so a reduced resolution version of Lenna, or one with one row of pixels cropped off - or even one converted to JPEG - is in no way useful as a test image and cannot compete with the original - so fair use is highly applicable in these circumstances.
As for the "Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files", we do not seek to mirror these images because reduced resolution versions of them are utterly useless as test images. For the same reason, we are not seeking to be a repository - a repository of reduced resolution versions of test images is also not a repository. So this policy clearly does not apply. However, when we are trying to discuss why a picture of a baboon (called - incorrectly - a mandrill) is useful as a test image, it's almost impossible to describe the image in words. It's much better to show a picture of the test image (note: Not the test image itself - because by reducing it's resolution, we've destroyed that aspect).
However, I don't agree that we should have a simple gallery of these test images - that would be harder to justify under fair use. But if we discuss each image - what it was intended to test, what notable graphics algorithms were developed using it, where it originally came from, what it's limitations as a test image are, what particular aspects of the image are important to the purposes for which it was selected...then there is no reason why we can't put up a reduced resolution version of that image under fair use - and indeed, failing to do so is akin to discussing a work of art without an image of that art. Compare, for example the English wiki article on Andy Warhol with the German article: [2]. Note how pathetically the latter has a photograph of two soup cans because they can't put up a 'fair use' photo of one of Warhol's famous paintings.
SteveBaker 17:44, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
I have removed a gallery of copyrighted images which might have constituted a copyright infringement. Fair use criterion #2 says: "The material must not be used in a manner that would likely replace the original market role of the original copyrighted media; our use of copyrighted material should not make it so that one no longer needs to purchase the actual product.". These images are apparently sold by the copyright holder ( [3] [4]). The hosting of these images on Wikipedia might replace the market role for the original media.-- Oden 13:34, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
I would like to clarify the following if anyone is under the misconception that copyright does not have to be asserted to apply. The opposite is true: copyright has to be released. See also WP:C. -- Oden 02:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
"It has been suggested that Lenna be merged into this article or section."
Closed and removed for lack of support. Leave as is. Dicklyon 06:50, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone considered requesting permission to use one or more standard test images under a free license? See Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission. -- Oden 01:42, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
“ | Some of the images in the database were scanned from copyrighted material. The image data was generated from this material with the sole intention of using it for research in image processing and related areas. None of these images should be used for commercial purposes unless you have determined that doing so would not violate any copyright. While SIPI does have information on some of the images, the origin of many is unknown. If you have questions about the origins of a particular image or its copyright status, you can contact us. Be advised, that in most cases our answer to your questions will be that we have no useful information. | ” |
I would like to see each image given its own section with each image getting the following:
I think this would make the fair use claim stronger and make this article much more valuable. Granted, this effort wouldn't be worth it if they survive IFD. Cburnett 03:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
The links in the external links section need to be incorporated into the text of the article as references, otherwise they will be removed as linkspam per WP:EL. -- Oden 03:36, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
The link for "Compression Database — The superset..." appears broken or perhaps the site no longer exists. I am not familiar with the database. Should the link be removed or fixed? RichardJBarbalace ( talk) 19:23, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
I would like to remind all users here that edit warring is never the way to resolve content disputes. I have blocked Oden for this very reason. An IFD and TFD are in progress to resolve the issue and discussion on this page seems quite civil.
Again, edit warring is never the way to solve things! Cburnett 04:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Image:Airplane24.png is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot 02:35, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
What about non-digital standard test images? They're "standard test images" too, I think.-- Exidor ( talk) 02:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
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This article really needs some sources that describe who used these test images. I have never seen Masuda anywhere before, and I couldn't find it on Google.... ~ MDD 46 96 00:36, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that most of the images had been uploaded in 8bit (actually, all of them except Lenna and Peppers)... I had most of them in 24bit png (I presume they're good quality, though I can't remember where I got them from exatly). The only ones I didn't have are Masuda1 and Masuda2 which I do remember seeing a few years ago. The two Matsuda images on the page are currently in 8bit (256 colors). Anyone has them in 24bit? Petit 03:48, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
This gallery is pretty much a massive blatant violation of both copyright law and wikipedia policy. We've got these images here under a rationale of fair use, which requires that we either be using them to illustrate something that we couldn't illustrate otherwise or else that we're making some kind of critical commentary on the images themselves. Policy-wise, Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files. A couple of typical test images to illustrate what's normally used, and historically important ones like lenna make sense to include, but we shouldn't have a gallery of every copyrighted image that's been appropriated by the imaging field for their own purposes. Night Gyr 07:39, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the gallery per WP:IUP#Photo_montages. If someone were to find a free image that would be suitable for inclusion. -- Oden 21:05, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Fair use criterion #3 says:
The gallery/montage consisted of 15 high-resolution fair use images. None of the images were placed adjacent to article text. Fair use criterion #3 says:
None of the images are discussed in great detail the article. I have removed them on these grounds. -- Oden 01:21, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately the subject of this article is generic and not specific (an article on test images in general can be compared to an article on oil paintings or on coats of arms). The possibility that a fair use image could be replaced by an image available under a free license cannot be ruled out.
I would also like to point out that articles on similar topics like Color calibration, Color management, Linux color management and CMYK color model are illustrated only using free images. The same is true for the Cornell Box, the Utah teapot and the Stanford Bunny. However, removing any images should not detract from the quality of the article text in any article. -- Oden 17:54, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
There are some severe misunderstandings going on here. Firstly: You can't compare the images of the Cornell Box, the Utah teapot and the Stanford Bunny to these test images. Those three objects are three dimensional test objects. Their shapes are described as long lists of spatial coordinates - there is no 'image' in the (possibly) copyrighted source data. The making of an image from that data set produces a picture that contains none of the original data - just as taking a photograph of a car does not infringe on the copyrights of the blueprints of that car. Hence, the renderings of those can be free even while the objects themselves might not be. However, these Standard Test Images are just that - two-dimensional images that are exactly what they are. We can no more make a free image of Lenna than we could make our own free version of Gillian Ayres' Image:Ayres, Antony and Cleopatra.jpg.
On the other hand, if we change these test images in any way whatever, they cease to be test images - so a reduced resolution version of Lenna, or one with one row of pixels cropped off - or even one converted to JPEG - is in no way useful as a test image and cannot compete with the original - so fair use is highly applicable in these circumstances.
As for the "Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files", we do not seek to mirror these images because reduced resolution versions of them are utterly useless as test images. For the same reason, we are not seeking to be a repository - a repository of reduced resolution versions of test images is also not a repository. So this policy clearly does not apply. However, when we are trying to discuss why a picture of a baboon (called - incorrectly - a mandrill) is useful as a test image, it's almost impossible to describe the image in words. It's much better to show a picture of the test image (note: Not the test image itself - because by reducing it's resolution, we've destroyed that aspect).
However, I don't agree that we should have a simple gallery of these test images - that would be harder to justify under fair use. But if we discuss each image - what it was intended to test, what notable graphics algorithms were developed using it, where it originally came from, what it's limitations as a test image are, what particular aspects of the image are important to the purposes for which it was selected...then there is no reason why we can't put up a reduced resolution version of that image under fair use - and indeed, failing to do so is akin to discussing a work of art without an image of that art. Compare, for example the English wiki article on Andy Warhol with the German article: [2]. Note how pathetically the latter has a photograph of two soup cans because they can't put up a 'fair use' photo of one of Warhol's famous paintings.
SteveBaker 17:44, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
I have removed a gallery of copyrighted images which might have constituted a copyright infringement. Fair use criterion #2 says: "The material must not be used in a manner that would likely replace the original market role of the original copyrighted media; our use of copyrighted material should not make it so that one no longer needs to purchase the actual product.". These images are apparently sold by the copyright holder ( [3] [4]). The hosting of these images on Wikipedia might replace the market role for the original media.-- Oden 13:34, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
I would like to clarify the following if anyone is under the misconception that copyright does not have to be asserted to apply. The opposite is true: copyright has to be released. See also WP:C. -- Oden 02:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
"It has been suggested that Lenna be merged into this article or section."
Closed and removed for lack of support. Leave as is. Dicklyon 06:50, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone considered requesting permission to use one or more standard test images under a free license? See Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission. -- Oden 01:42, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
“ | Some of the images in the database were scanned from copyrighted material. The image data was generated from this material with the sole intention of using it for research in image processing and related areas. None of these images should be used for commercial purposes unless you have determined that doing so would not violate any copyright. While SIPI does have information on some of the images, the origin of many is unknown. If you have questions about the origins of a particular image or its copyright status, you can contact us. Be advised, that in most cases our answer to your questions will be that we have no useful information. | ” |
I would like to see each image given its own section with each image getting the following:
I think this would make the fair use claim stronger and make this article much more valuable. Granted, this effort wouldn't be worth it if they survive IFD. Cburnett 03:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
The links in the external links section need to be incorporated into the text of the article as references, otherwise they will be removed as linkspam per WP:EL. -- Oden 03:36, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
The link for "Compression Database — The superset..." appears broken or perhaps the site no longer exists. I am not familiar with the database. Should the link be removed or fixed? RichardJBarbalace ( talk) 19:23, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
I would like to remind all users here that edit warring is never the way to resolve content disputes. I have blocked Oden for this very reason. An IFD and TFD are in progress to resolve the issue and discussion on this page seems quite civil.
Again, edit warring is never the way to solve things! Cburnett 04:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Image:Airplane24.png is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot 02:35, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
What about non-digital standard test images? They're "standard test images" too, I think.-- Exidor ( talk) 02:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)