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"Ultimately" is your view. There is a cross, then a "holy cross", then a "st cross", then a church called st cross, then a road called st cross road, then a college on st cross road, then a st cross college and then a crest that matches the name. Please respect other sensitivities in the college and the intentions of the founders of the college. Please do not give a religious character to St Cross; it is not a PPH. 15/03/07 Vanuatu92
Please respect the fact that the college is not religiously affiliated. The name was NOT given as a religious meaning but because of the location of the early buildings. Vanuatu92
Anyone know the colours from the scarf? – Kaihsu 16:07, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
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St Cross College is not a constituent college of the University of Oxford nor is it a permanent private hall, but it is rather a society or department of the University that calls itself a college. It is indeed a graduate college, but it is not a constituent college because it does not have a Royal Charter and is dependent on the University. You can find this spelled out in the University Statutes and Regulations as follows: https://www.admin.ox.ac.uk/statutes/regulations/517-122.shtml
This is not a secret, but it is not well known. St Cross admits this on its on webpage as follows:
"St Cross is one of the smaller graduate colleges at Oxford, with one of the smallest endowments (less than £8m). To all intents and purposes we operate as a College with a governing body, however, we are still a department of the University. This is the primary reason for asking you today to consider making or changing your Will to benefit the endowment of St Cross. Our aim is to become independent but we have some way to go before the College can be eligible for Royal Charter status." Link: https://www.stx.ox.ac.uk/alumni/support-st-cross/legacy
In effect, St Cross is a graduate college that is legally a society of the University. The correct wording for this article would be "St Cross College is a graduate college of the University of Oxford. Somewhere could be added: It is not a constituent college, but rather a society of the University and is thus not an independent college with a Royal Charter (as are all constituent college of the University), but remains subject to University oversight until such time in the future that it achieves Royal Charter. -- IACOBVS ( talk) 08:36, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
St Cross College should be described in the article as a constituent college? In practice they are a college, and are named "College", but according to the University statuses, they are a society, not a college.-- MiguelMadeira ( talk) 12:56, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
I suggest amending the opening sentence to say that St Cross is a constituent college of the University of Oxford, but adding another sentence at the end of the first paragraph to say that St Cross does not have a royal charter and is therefore formally a society rather than a college of the university. The Kellogg article could be amended similarly.
The Administration section of the article already gives more detail on formal status of St Cross as a society.
I agree that St Cross is formally a society, not a college. However, I think it is reasonable to describe St Cross as a college as the organisation section of the university's main website says "There are 38 Oxford colleges", which includes St Cross and Kellogg (link https://www.ox.ac.uk/about/organisation?wssl=1). The graduate admissions section says "The University has 38 colleges" (link https://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/graduate/colleges/introducing-colleges?wssl=1). The only passages which distinguish societies and colleges that I can find in the main site are formal documents which contain phrases like "colleges, societies, and Permanent Private Halls".
Constituent college seems to be a Wikipedia term: the Collegiate university article says "A collegiate university is a university in which functions are divided between a central administration and a number of constituent colleges." At Oxford functions are similarly divided between the university and its Societies St Cross and Kellogg. I can only find Constituent college in 2 job advertisements on the Oxford University main website and nowhere on the Cambridge main website so it does not seem to be an official Oxford or Cambridge University term.
I think that the term constituent college is confusing but it is used on all the Oxford and Cambridge college wikipedia articles so presumably there is a consensus for using it. It would be a major project to post on 69 college talk pages and collate responses. 81.86.211.166 ( talk) 10:38, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
"I suggest amending the opening sentence to say that St Cross is a constituent college of the University of Oxford, but adding another sentence at the end of the first paragraph to say that St Cross does not have a royal charter and is therefore formally a society rather than a college of the university. The Kellogg article could be amended similarly". I agree - but I liked to know what is the opinon of @ IACOBVS: (and of the other contributors of the page, of course).-- MiguelMadeira ( talk) 11:47, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
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"Ultimately" is your view. There is a cross, then a "holy cross", then a "st cross", then a church called st cross, then a road called st cross road, then a college on st cross road, then a st cross college and then a crest that matches the name. Please respect other sensitivities in the college and the intentions of the founders of the college. Please do not give a religious character to St Cross; it is not a PPH. 15/03/07 Vanuatu92
Please respect the fact that the college is not religiously affiliated. The name was NOT given as a religious meaning but because of the location of the early buildings. Vanuatu92
Anyone know the colours from the scarf? – Kaihsu 16:07, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
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St Cross College is not a constituent college of the University of Oxford nor is it a permanent private hall, but it is rather a society or department of the University that calls itself a college. It is indeed a graduate college, but it is not a constituent college because it does not have a Royal Charter and is dependent on the University. You can find this spelled out in the University Statutes and Regulations as follows: https://www.admin.ox.ac.uk/statutes/regulations/517-122.shtml
This is not a secret, but it is not well known. St Cross admits this on its on webpage as follows:
"St Cross is one of the smaller graduate colleges at Oxford, with one of the smallest endowments (less than £8m). To all intents and purposes we operate as a College with a governing body, however, we are still a department of the University. This is the primary reason for asking you today to consider making or changing your Will to benefit the endowment of St Cross. Our aim is to become independent but we have some way to go before the College can be eligible for Royal Charter status." Link: https://www.stx.ox.ac.uk/alumni/support-st-cross/legacy
In effect, St Cross is a graduate college that is legally a society of the University. The correct wording for this article would be "St Cross College is a graduate college of the University of Oxford. Somewhere could be added: It is not a constituent college, but rather a society of the University and is thus not an independent college with a Royal Charter (as are all constituent college of the University), but remains subject to University oversight until such time in the future that it achieves Royal Charter. -- IACOBVS ( talk) 08:36, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
St Cross College should be described in the article as a constituent college? In practice they are a college, and are named "College", but according to the University statuses, they are a society, not a college.-- MiguelMadeira ( talk) 12:56, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
I suggest amending the opening sentence to say that St Cross is a constituent college of the University of Oxford, but adding another sentence at the end of the first paragraph to say that St Cross does not have a royal charter and is therefore formally a society rather than a college of the university. The Kellogg article could be amended similarly.
The Administration section of the article already gives more detail on formal status of St Cross as a society.
I agree that St Cross is formally a society, not a college. However, I think it is reasonable to describe St Cross as a college as the organisation section of the university's main website says "There are 38 Oxford colleges", which includes St Cross and Kellogg (link https://www.ox.ac.uk/about/organisation?wssl=1). The graduate admissions section says "The University has 38 colleges" (link https://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/graduate/colleges/introducing-colleges?wssl=1). The only passages which distinguish societies and colleges that I can find in the main site are formal documents which contain phrases like "colleges, societies, and Permanent Private Halls".
Constituent college seems to be a Wikipedia term: the Collegiate university article says "A collegiate university is a university in which functions are divided between a central administration and a number of constituent colleges." At Oxford functions are similarly divided between the university and its Societies St Cross and Kellogg. I can only find Constituent college in 2 job advertisements on the Oxford University main website and nowhere on the Cambridge main website so it does not seem to be an official Oxford or Cambridge University term.
I think that the term constituent college is confusing but it is used on all the Oxford and Cambridge college wikipedia articles so presumably there is a consensus for using it. It would be a major project to post on 69 college talk pages and collate responses. 81.86.211.166 ( talk) 10:38, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
"I suggest amending the opening sentence to say that St Cross is a constituent college of the University of Oxford, but adding another sentence at the end of the first paragraph to say that St Cross does not have a royal charter and is therefore formally a society rather than a college of the university. The Kellogg article could be amended similarly". I agree - but I liked to know what is the opinon of @ IACOBVS: (and of the other contributors of the page, of course).-- MiguelMadeira ( talk) 11:47, 21 August 2018 (UTC)