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The Oregon Department of Transportation has this history for the St. John's Bridge" "Portland's northernmost Willamette River Bridge, the St. Johns, was finished in 1931. The bridge replaced the city's last ferry, which linked the communities of Linnton and St. Johns. The bridge is named for the community of St. Johns, which was named in honor of settler James John. Mr. John started the local ferry system with one rowboat in 1852.
"Designed by internationally renowned engineer David B. Steinman (1886-1960) and Holton D. Robinson, of New York, the St. Johns was the longest suspension-type bridge west of the Mississippi River at the time of construction. It is the only major highway suspension bridge in the Willamette Valley and one of only three major highway suspension bridges in Oregon.
The four-lane structure features lofty Gothic arch towers of steel, Gothic-inspired steel frame piers of reinforced concrete, and the longest "pre-stressed" steel cable rope strands designed up to the time of construction. Steinman also selected the color of the bridge, Verde green, which he chose to harmonize with the forest at the west end of the structure. ==Early discussion== still needs work —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cacophony ( talk • contribs) 20:14, 31 August 2004 (UTC)
Hi... Most references I have seen to this bridge (I just revamped the David B. Steinman article) have it as St John's rather than St Johns. Which is correct? I would rather not put in a redirect the wrong way, and then find out it could not be moved... thanks.
But ODOT does not. Thoughts?
The article on OR DOT's website under the 2005 Rehab of the bridge has much of what is missing, like that the settler's name was Mr.John (not Johns) but the community is named St. Johns, etc at http://www.oregon.gov/odot/hwy/region1/pages/stjohns/index.aspx [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidcizen ( talk • contribs) 05:23, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
Also how about adding this templatised link in the main article? ( Lat: 45.585 Lon:-122.76333 from Bridgemeister )
Some of the NY area bridges use this and it's cool. I will if no one objects. ++ Lar 04:33, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
I removed the following from the Thelma Taylor story:
The former is the general popular tale that turned Thelma Taylor into one of Portland’s most famous haunting stories. In 2007, an investigating paranormal research group known as "The Northern Woods Paranormal Research and Investigations" (based out of the greater Portland area), uncovered facts from the 1949 murder, which exposed the truth behind the bridge haunting legend. The Northern Woods research provided documented evidence showing the exact location of Taylor’s murder, giving startling facts including the location as having been “In brush about 8 blocks North St. John’s Bridge” just over 24 hours after her kidnapping, thus contradicting with factual evidence that Leland murdered Taylor under the bridge after several days of repeatedly raping her as the story also goes.
It needs sources, and probably needs rewording. tedder ( talk) 15:36, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Can we have more filler for the 18 years between bridge dedication and murder? It's rather stark going from "Yay Bridge", to "Oh No, crap! death" in the span of one carriage return. Was there any news about the bridge right after it was built? Needs some transition. Kristinwt ( talk) 20:18, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
Despite the oft-repeated story that the St John's Bridge was the prototype of the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco, it was not. The towers of the St. John's Bridge are Gothic and the Golden Gate Bridge are Art Deco.
According to the Oregon Department of Transportation's website: "Designed by internationally renowned engineer David B. Steinman (1886-1960)and Holton D. Robinson, of New York, the St. Johns was the longest suspension-type bridge west of the Mississippi River at the time of construction.... Of the 400 bridges he was to design, Steinman said, 'If you asked me which of the bridges I love best, I believe I would say the St. Johns Bridge. I put more of myself into that bridge than any other bridge.' Contrary to popular belief, Steinman did not design San Francisco's famous Golden Gate Bridge."
The Golden Gate Bridge was designed by others, some of whom were from New York, as outlined at http://goldengatebridge.org/research/Design.php. [1]— Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.53.47.236 ( talk) 14:33, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
It surprised me to read that the St. Johns Bridge was the longest bridge in Oregon because I was sure (just from driving across them) that the Interstate Bridge is longer. I read some more, and learned that determining the length of a bridge is quite complicated. It seems that the length between spans is significantly more interesting to some than the total length, so I created this table for my own enrichment. I doubt it has any real place in the article, but if you disagree, please add it in.
St. Johns Bridge | Interstate Bridge |
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Design Suspension bridge, Gothic | Design Dual truss with vertical lifts |
Total length 2,067 ft (630 m) | Total length 3,538 ft (1,078 m) |
Longest span 1,207 ft (369 m) | Longest span 531 ft (161.8 m) |
ErinHowarth ( talk) 17:10, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
What about other measurements? Can you add another comparison, Dirt to Dirt? Shore edge to shore edge? Kristinwt ( talk) 20:13, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
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@ SJ Morg: Ok, I'll admit this looks like a pretty ridiculous question. But in all seriousness, the answer is no. I think that the structures listed in Category:Buildings and structures in St. Johns, Portland, Oregon should be limited to those within the official boundaries of the St. Johns neighborhood, as seen on this map from the City of Portland or here on Google Maps. Because the St. Johns bridge isn't within these boundaries, I don't think it should be included in the category. I don't know what Portland's neighborhoods looked like in 1931—maybe the bridge was within the boundaries of St. Johns at the time it opened. I assume the bridge would have been within the limits of the city of St. Johns, but that was annexed to Portland well before construction on the bridge began. I know that when many people talk about St. Johns, they're referring to a much broader area than the official boundaries that are designated by the city. I don't think Wikipedia should do this though—it just seems sloppy and imprecise.
Incidentally, if we accept that the pages included in the category should be limited to those within St. Johns' official boundaries, that would mean that Burlington Northern Railroad Bridge 5.1 and Schrunk Riverview Tower should be removed from the category as well (Schrunk Riverview Tower is in Cathedral Park and the railroad bridge appears to be within the boundaries of that neighborhood as well, with some of it in the Northwest Industrial area). What are your thoughts? Lord Bolingbroke ( talk) 17:15, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
Maybe someone who's from Portland could add a bit about how the bridge's name is related to the neighborhood it leads into? Took me way too long to find that out using external searching. — TARDIS builder ✉ | 23:35, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
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The Oregon Department of Transportation has this history for the St. John's Bridge" "Portland's northernmost Willamette River Bridge, the St. Johns, was finished in 1931. The bridge replaced the city's last ferry, which linked the communities of Linnton and St. Johns. The bridge is named for the community of St. Johns, which was named in honor of settler James John. Mr. John started the local ferry system with one rowboat in 1852.
"Designed by internationally renowned engineer David B. Steinman (1886-1960) and Holton D. Robinson, of New York, the St. Johns was the longest suspension-type bridge west of the Mississippi River at the time of construction. It is the only major highway suspension bridge in the Willamette Valley and one of only three major highway suspension bridges in Oregon.
The four-lane structure features lofty Gothic arch towers of steel, Gothic-inspired steel frame piers of reinforced concrete, and the longest "pre-stressed" steel cable rope strands designed up to the time of construction. Steinman also selected the color of the bridge, Verde green, which he chose to harmonize with the forest at the west end of the structure. ==Early discussion== still needs work —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cacophony ( talk • contribs) 20:14, 31 August 2004 (UTC)
Hi... Most references I have seen to this bridge (I just revamped the David B. Steinman article) have it as St John's rather than St Johns. Which is correct? I would rather not put in a redirect the wrong way, and then find out it could not be moved... thanks.
But ODOT does not. Thoughts?
The article on OR DOT's website under the 2005 Rehab of the bridge has much of what is missing, like that the settler's name was Mr.John (not Johns) but the community is named St. Johns, etc at http://www.oregon.gov/odot/hwy/region1/pages/stjohns/index.aspx [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidcizen ( talk • contribs) 05:23, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
Also how about adding this templatised link in the main article? ( Lat: 45.585 Lon:-122.76333 from Bridgemeister )
Some of the NY area bridges use this and it's cool. I will if no one objects. ++ Lar 04:33, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
I removed the following from the Thelma Taylor story:
The former is the general popular tale that turned Thelma Taylor into one of Portland’s most famous haunting stories. In 2007, an investigating paranormal research group known as "The Northern Woods Paranormal Research and Investigations" (based out of the greater Portland area), uncovered facts from the 1949 murder, which exposed the truth behind the bridge haunting legend. The Northern Woods research provided documented evidence showing the exact location of Taylor’s murder, giving startling facts including the location as having been “In brush about 8 blocks North St. John’s Bridge” just over 24 hours after her kidnapping, thus contradicting with factual evidence that Leland murdered Taylor under the bridge after several days of repeatedly raping her as the story also goes.
It needs sources, and probably needs rewording. tedder ( talk) 15:36, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Can we have more filler for the 18 years between bridge dedication and murder? It's rather stark going from "Yay Bridge", to "Oh No, crap! death" in the span of one carriage return. Was there any news about the bridge right after it was built? Needs some transition. Kristinwt ( talk) 20:18, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
Despite the oft-repeated story that the St John's Bridge was the prototype of the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco, it was not. The towers of the St. John's Bridge are Gothic and the Golden Gate Bridge are Art Deco.
According to the Oregon Department of Transportation's website: "Designed by internationally renowned engineer David B. Steinman (1886-1960)and Holton D. Robinson, of New York, the St. Johns was the longest suspension-type bridge west of the Mississippi River at the time of construction.... Of the 400 bridges he was to design, Steinman said, 'If you asked me which of the bridges I love best, I believe I would say the St. Johns Bridge. I put more of myself into that bridge than any other bridge.' Contrary to popular belief, Steinman did not design San Francisco's famous Golden Gate Bridge."
The Golden Gate Bridge was designed by others, some of whom were from New York, as outlined at http://goldengatebridge.org/research/Design.php. [1]— Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.53.47.236 ( talk) 14:33, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
It surprised me to read that the St. Johns Bridge was the longest bridge in Oregon because I was sure (just from driving across them) that the Interstate Bridge is longer. I read some more, and learned that determining the length of a bridge is quite complicated. It seems that the length between spans is significantly more interesting to some than the total length, so I created this table for my own enrichment. I doubt it has any real place in the article, but if you disagree, please add it in.
St. Johns Bridge | Interstate Bridge |
---|---|
Design Suspension bridge, Gothic | Design Dual truss with vertical lifts |
Total length 2,067 ft (630 m) | Total length 3,538 ft (1,078 m) |
Longest span 1,207 ft (369 m) | Longest span 531 ft (161.8 m) |
ErinHowarth ( talk) 17:10, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
What about other measurements? Can you add another comparison, Dirt to Dirt? Shore edge to shore edge? Kristinwt ( talk) 20:13, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
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Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 20:49, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
@ SJ Morg: Ok, I'll admit this looks like a pretty ridiculous question. But in all seriousness, the answer is no. I think that the structures listed in Category:Buildings and structures in St. Johns, Portland, Oregon should be limited to those within the official boundaries of the St. Johns neighborhood, as seen on this map from the City of Portland or here on Google Maps. Because the St. Johns bridge isn't within these boundaries, I don't think it should be included in the category. I don't know what Portland's neighborhoods looked like in 1931—maybe the bridge was within the boundaries of St. Johns at the time it opened. I assume the bridge would have been within the limits of the city of St. Johns, but that was annexed to Portland well before construction on the bridge began. I know that when many people talk about St. Johns, they're referring to a much broader area than the official boundaries that are designated by the city. I don't think Wikipedia should do this though—it just seems sloppy and imprecise.
Incidentally, if we accept that the pages included in the category should be limited to those within St. Johns' official boundaries, that would mean that Burlington Northern Railroad Bridge 5.1 and Schrunk Riverview Tower should be removed from the category as well (Schrunk Riverview Tower is in Cathedral Park and the railroad bridge appears to be within the boundaries of that neighborhood as well, with some of it in the Northwest Industrial area). What are your thoughts? Lord Bolingbroke ( talk) 17:15, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
Maybe someone who's from Portland could add a bit about how the bridge's name is related to the neighborhood it leads into? Took me way too long to find that out using external searching. — TARDIS builder ✉ | 23:35, 25 November 2021 (UTC)