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I just had a question that I wanted clarification for, is Decew Falls and the Mill a part of Thorold, Fonthill or St. Catharines? That area gets very tricky as to whether its St. Catharines, Fonthill or Thorold (parts are one thing and not the other varying even by side of the road) and I was just wondering if a source could maybe be found showing that the mill and falls is part of St. Catharines. -- Wikifrogeditor ( talk) 22:55, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
I read in the article that one of the first settlers of St. Catharines was a man called Captain Dick. How did he get that name? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.29.95.198 ( talk) 03:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Anthony Burns was a former slave and preacher who died there. Famous figure in US abolishtion.
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The Federal and Municipal boundaries do not line up, and as such a section of the city is represented by Malcolm Allen. This area includes the Shaver Medical Facility, Brock University, and some local businesses and dwellings. These Municipal interests that are shared with the federal government fall under his constituency. Adding Malcolm Allen as second MPP representing St.Catharines. (Though it is up for discussion as to if he should be the first since his name does come alphabetically before Rick Dykstra SamichX 01:05, 20 November 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.38.190.233 ( talk)
Please note that the Provincial riding of Welland (as of 2004) should end before entering the City of St. Catharines. If it is no longer different and Peter Kormos is an MPP for a section of St. Catharines, please note the distinction. SamichX —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.38.190.233 ( talk) 22:50, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
As far as i can tell from consulting various maps of SHPP, zero or almost zero of it is in St Catharines. The park would appear, to me, to be mostly in Pelham with a part in Thorold. There might be a tiny part on the southwest corner of the intersection of DeCew and Pelham roads that's in St Catharines but, if memory serves me correctly, that part of St Catharines is in private hands belonging to landowners who front on Pelham Road. Those lands are not part of the park. I definitely think it's erroneous to include Short Hills PP as a park in St Catharines, especially given that, by first approximation, about 100% of the park is not. 142.140.230.111 ( talk) 20:49, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
As much as I love Short Hills and would love to claim it for St. Catharines, the comment above is correct. It does not appear to be located IN St. Catharines. According to the Ontario Parks website, its location is described as "Location: About 4 km southwest of St. Catharines, along the Niagara Escarpment. Access is via Cataract, Roland, or Pelham roads."
So in other words, the editor who removed it from the page is correct in doing so. Trainrekmatt ( talk) 19:41, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
Obesity should be under demographics. A city can't be obese. Only people can be. Get with the program yankee76. You seem to have a problem with Heritage's comments. I agree with Heritage. This belong's in a Canadian obesity topic not in St. Catharine Ontario. It is not current and is specious. It should be put in demographhttp://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk:St._Catharines&action=edit§ion=6ic data or another topic altogether. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Canadadan ( talk • contribs) 00:07, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
At one time not too long ago, St. Catharines was noted for having the highest number of doughnut shops per capita in all of Canada. This could be linked to the obesity statistics! With the very poor economy
though, many doughnut shops have closed, possibly leading to slightly lower
obesity statistics? 70.30.33.131 ( talk) 01:33, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Could someone consider changing the lead picture of the city? That picture makes the city look like a 3rd world slum. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.29.1.20 ( talk) 14:25, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
The generally used nickname for the city of St. Catharines is "St. Kitts". The original name of the city was "Grantham". The author Howard Engle uses the city name "Grantham" in his fictional "Benny Cooperman" books. I have no documentation for any of these points. 70.30.33.115 ( talk) 19:21, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
The article's Introduction says is the 6th largest urban area in Ontario. But "List of the 100 largest municipalities in Canada by population" lists it as only the 17th largest (municipality). I think there's a mistake.-- Solomonfromfinland ( talk) 18:02, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
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Hello, I would like to have the following information added to the Government and politics section, under 4.1 Municipal:
On Monday, Oct. 27, 2014, Walter Sendzik was elected mayor of St. Catharines [1] and assumed office in December 2014 [2].
I think this information would be a good fit after information regarding St. Catharines past mayors Tim Rigby and Brian McMullan. Without it, I feel there is confusion on the page about who is currently the mayor of St. Catharines. The section I am requesting to edit lists the city's past mayors, but doesn't provide information about when the current mayor was elected or when he assumed office.
Thank you for your consideration,
roblapensee ( talk) 18:20, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
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There is a small blurb regarding the composition of politicians as a ratio of residents. I feel that it's getting a bit biased. Can someone else take a look? 204.225.163.254 ( talk) 17:54, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
@ Magnolia677: Since you thanked me for my removal of content here [5], I was wondering if you had an opinion on my edit here [6]. My instinct was to be cautious with anything that might be important to the history of the city and this content wasn't as blatantly promotional as everything else, so I restored it. But I'm still not sure of its relevance and I'm not sure about the reliability of Cinema Treasures. My instinct is that it's not an ideal source, but that's it better than some random blog. That doesn't mean it's nessecarily relevant, though. Thoughts? Clovermoss (talk) 00:57, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi again. I noticed this edit and was thinking that although some of those places really are places (see [7]), many of the articles are one-line stubs that are of little benefit to readers. Do you think many of them should be redirected to the St. Catharines article? Cheers. Magnolia677 ( talk) 08:15, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
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@ Magnolia677: So I tracked down the situation I mentioned earlier [14]. It doesn't really seem like that would nessecarily be as helpful as I thought it might be. Clovermoss (talk) 13:48, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
I agree with Pladat that Twelve Mile Creek (Ontario) is an important creek to the city. [15] I've been trying to research more of St. Catharines history the past few months, but part of the early Welland Canals relied on it, it was a important part of the formation of downtown St. Catharines, etc. Most of my efforts have been trying to improve local articles instead of the main one here so I can give a better overview to what's relevant to the overall history of the city. If it's not here, I think this content should at least at the article about the creek (which it is). Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 23:49, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
"St. Catharines lies in the traditional territory of the Mississaugas Indigenous people, who named what is now known as 12 Mile Creek "Ashquasing," which means "that which lies at the end" in the Anishinaabe language."The territory of the Mississaugas stretched from Windsor to Montreal. Are we going to add translated names to every non-notable river and creek in this enormous length of land? This article isn't even about 12 Mile Creek, it's about St. Catherines. The French also claimed this land for a while, and had French names for many geographic locations, but it would be unencyclopedic to add to city articles the French translations for non-notable creeks running through the city. This edit is out-of-scope, per WP:VNOT and WP:TOPIC. Magnolia677 ( talk) 12:03, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
So I very much want to get any potential content added to the content to be as accurate as possible and I found this quote from Sacred Feathers. It's a book published in 1987. I need to try and dig deeper but I'd appreciate knowing both what Pladat and Magnolia677 think. Pladat, any chance you have access to sources that discuss local Indigenous history in detail that might not nessecarily be easily available online that could make this any easier?
Shortly after its agreement with the Missasaugas the government of Upper Canada established two new townships on the lakefront: Nelson, named in honour of England's famous admiral, and Trafalger, named for his great naval victory over Napoleon in 1805. When they named the two townships immediately north of of Trafalger and Nelson, however, they retained the Missasaugas' titles for Twelve Mile (Bronte) and Sixteen Mile (Oakville) creeks and along the Credit River. The government accepted these conditions. [...] But through ignorance they reversed the names.
— Smith, Donald, [19]
.
My reading of this (given the Bronte label) is that they're actually talking about Bronte Creek, not the Twelve Mile Creek in St. Catharines since the name given in the source is also Ashquasing. The Oakville label for the second river cements this opinion. I can see why this would get confusing since the Niagara Region also has a Twelve Mile Creek and Sixteen Mile Creek. Unless the Indigenous names were also reused like the English names were? But without another source that verifies that, that's just pure speculation that doesn't belong in the article. But I could be confidently wrong again, so please correct me if that's the case. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 13:12, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
@ Magnolia677: I think your definition of out of scope is way too broad here [21]. I disagree completely. Just because it covers an area larger than St. Catharines doesn't make it not relevant. I'm going to ask for a third opinion. Buidhe, what are your thoughts? I know you do much more content work than I do. Maybe I'm too adament about this and actually wrong. But I really do think it is important to mention something about the history of Indigenous peoples in an article about a place. Maybe this isn't the best way of doing so but I thought it was an uncontroversial start to having something. Do you have any advice? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:27, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
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I just had a question that I wanted clarification for, is Decew Falls and the Mill a part of Thorold, Fonthill or St. Catharines? That area gets very tricky as to whether its St. Catharines, Fonthill or Thorold (parts are one thing and not the other varying even by side of the road) and I was just wondering if a source could maybe be found showing that the mill and falls is part of St. Catharines. -- Wikifrogeditor ( talk) 22:55, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
I read in the article that one of the first settlers of St. Catharines was a man called Captain Dick. How did he get that name? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.29.95.198 ( talk) 03:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Anthony Burns was a former slave and preacher who died there. Famous figure in US abolishtion.
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The result of the proposal was move. Mind matrix 20:53, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Rename: St. Catharines, Ontario → St. Catharines
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The Federal and Municipal boundaries do not line up, and as such a section of the city is represented by Malcolm Allen. This area includes the Shaver Medical Facility, Brock University, and some local businesses and dwellings. These Municipal interests that are shared with the federal government fall under his constituency. Adding Malcolm Allen as second MPP representing St.Catharines. (Though it is up for discussion as to if he should be the first since his name does come alphabetically before Rick Dykstra SamichX 01:05, 20 November 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.38.190.233 ( talk)
Please note that the Provincial riding of Welland (as of 2004) should end before entering the City of St. Catharines. If it is no longer different and Peter Kormos is an MPP for a section of St. Catharines, please note the distinction. SamichX —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.38.190.233 ( talk) 22:50, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
As far as i can tell from consulting various maps of SHPP, zero or almost zero of it is in St Catharines. The park would appear, to me, to be mostly in Pelham with a part in Thorold. There might be a tiny part on the southwest corner of the intersection of DeCew and Pelham roads that's in St Catharines but, if memory serves me correctly, that part of St Catharines is in private hands belonging to landowners who front on Pelham Road. Those lands are not part of the park. I definitely think it's erroneous to include Short Hills PP as a park in St Catharines, especially given that, by first approximation, about 100% of the park is not. 142.140.230.111 ( talk) 20:49, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
As much as I love Short Hills and would love to claim it for St. Catharines, the comment above is correct. It does not appear to be located IN St. Catharines. According to the Ontario Parks website, its location is described as "Location: About 4 km southwest of St. Catharines, along the Niagara Escarpment. Access is via Cataract, Roland, or Pelham roads."
So in other words, the editor who removed it from the page is correct in doing so. Trainrekmatt ( talk) 19:41, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
Obesity should be under demographics. A city can't be obese. Only people can be. Get with the program yankee76. You seem to have a problem with Heritage's comments. I agree with Heritage. This belong's in a Canadian obesity topic not in St. Catharine Ontario. It is not current and is specious. It should be put in demographhttp://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk:St._Catharines&action=edit§ion=6ic data or another topic altogether. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Canadadan ( talk • contribs) 00:07, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
At one time not too long ago, St. Catharines was noted for having the highest number of doughnut shops per capita in all of Canada. This could be linked to the obesity statistics! With the very poor economy
though, many doughnut shops have closed, possibly leading to slightly lower
obesity statistics? 70.30.33.131 ( talk) 01:33, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Could someone consider changing the lead picture of the city? That picture makes the city look like a 3rd world slum. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.29.1.20 ( talk) 14:25, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
The generally used nickname for the city of St. Catharines is "St. Kitts". The original name of the city was "Grantham". The author Howard Engle uses the city name "Grantham" in his fictional "Benny Cooperman" books. I have no documentation for any of these points. 70.30.33.115 ( talk) 19:21, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
The article's Introduction says is the 6th largest urban area in Ontario. But "List of the 100 largest municipalities in Canada by population" lists it as only the 17th largest (municipality). I think there's a mistake.-- Solomonfromfinland ( talk) 18:02, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
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Hello, I would like to have the following information added to the Government and politics section, under 4.1 Municipal:
On Monday, Oct. 27, 2014, Walter Sendzik was elected mayor of St. Catharines [1] and assumed office in December 2014 [2].
I think this information would be a good fit after information regarding St. Catharines past mayors Tim Rigby and Brian McMullan. Without it, I feel there is confusion on the page about who is currently the mayor of St. Catharines. The section I am requesting to edit lists the city's past mayors, but doesn't provide information about when the current mayor was elected or when he assumed office.
Thank you for your consideration,
roblapensee ( talk) 18:20, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
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There is a small blurb regarding the composition of politicians as a ratio of residents. I feel that it's getting a bit biased. Can someone else take a look? 204.225.163.254 ( talk) 17:54, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
@ Magnolia677: Since you thanked me for my removal of content here [5], I was wondering if you had an opinion on my edit here [6]. My instinct was to be cautious with anything that might be important to the history of the city and this content wasn't as blatantly promotional as everything else, so I restored it. But I'm still not sure of its relevance and I'm not sure about the reliability of Cinema Treasures. My instinct is that it's not an ideal source, but that's it better than some random blog. That doesn't mean it's nessecarily relevant, though. Thoughts? Clovermoss (talk) 00:57, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi again. I noticed this edit and was thinking that although some of those places really are places (see [7]), many of the articles are one-line stubs that are of little benefit to readers. Do you think many of them should be redirected to the St. Catharines article? Cheers. Magnolia677 ( talk) 08:15, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
@
Magnolia677: Do you have an opinion on the infobox formatting? I used {{
clear}}
to try and fix the image alignment in further sections, but the more I look at this the more unease I feel at the blank space. I'm also trying to follow
MOS:IMAGELOC so that images aren't placed to the left side. But ideally, someone shouldn't be scrolling so much to get down to the content. It might prompt someone to think that's all there is. Any ideas?
Clovermoss
(talk) 06:09, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
@ Magnolia677: So I tracked down the situation I mentioned earlier [14]. It doesn't really seem like that would nessecarily be as helpful as I thought it might be. Clovermoss (talk) 13:48, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
I agree with Pladat that Twelve Mile Creek (Ontario) is an important creek to the city. [15] I've been trying to research more of St. Catharines history the past few months, but part of the early Welland Canals relied on it, it was a important part of the formation of downtown St. Catharines, etc. Most of my efforts have been trying to improve local articles instead of the main one here so I can give a better overview to what's relevant to the overall history of the city. If it's not here, I think this content should at least at the article about the creek (which it is). Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 23:49, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
"St. Catharines lies in the traditional territory of the Mississaugas Indigenous people, who named what is now known as 12 Mile Creek "Ashquasing," which means "that which lies at the end" in the Anishinaabe language."The territory of the Mississaugas stretched from Windsor to Montreal. Are we going to add translated names to every non-notable river and creek in this enormous length of land? This article isn't even about 12 Mile Creek, it's about St. Catherines. The French also claimed this land for a while, and had French names for many geographic locations, but it would be unencyclopedic to add to city articles the French translations for non-notable creeks running through the city. This edit is out-of-scope, per WP:VNOT and WP:TOPIC. Magnolia677 ( talk) 12:03, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
So I very much want to get any potential content added to the content to be as accurate as possible and I found this quote from Sacred Feathers. It's a book published in 1987. I need to try and dig deeper but I'd appreciate knowing both what Pladat and Magnolia677 think. Pladat, any chance you have access to sources that discuss local Indigenous history in detail that might not nessecarily be easily available online that could make this any easier?
Shortly after its agreement with the Missasaugas the government of Upper Canada established two new townships on the lakefront: Nelson, named in honour of England's famous admiral, and Trafalger, named for his great naval victory over Napoleon in 1805. When they named the two townships immediately north of of Trafalger and Nelson, however, they retained the Missasaugas' titles for Twelve Mile (Bronte) and Sixteen Mile (Oakville) creeks and along the Credit River. The government accepted these conditions. [...] But through ignorance they reversed the names.
— Smith, Donald, [19]
.
My reading of this (given the Bronte label) is that they're actually talking about Bronte Creek, not the Twelve Mile Creek in St. Catharines since the name given in the source is also Ashquasing. The Oakville label for the second river cements this opinion. I can see why this would get confusing since the Niagara Region also has a Twelve Mile Creek and Sixteen Mile Creek. Unless the Indigenous names were also reused like the English names were? But without another source that verifies that, that's just pure speculation that doesn't belong in the article. But I could be confidently wrong again, so please correct me if that's the case. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 13:12, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
@ Magnolia677: I think your definition of out of scope is way too broad here [21]. I disagree completely. Just because it covers an area larger than St. Catharines doesn't make it not relevant. I'm going to ask for a third opinion. Buidhe, what are your thoughts? I know you do much more content work than I do. Maybe I'm too adament about this and actually wrong. But I really do think it is important to mention something about the history of Indigenous peoples in an article about a place. Maybe this isn't the best way of doing so but I thought it was an uncontroversial start to having something. Do you have any advice? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:27, 7 January 2023 (UTC)