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Moved it to here per SLR agreement Taprobanus ( talk) 23:51, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
There is no such thing called "Tamil Homeland" on Sri Lankan soil. The "Tamil Homeland" exists in South India and it's home to 60 million Tamils. Only some 2.5 million Tamils live in Sri Lanka. That's about 4% of the Tamil population of the South Indian state of Tamil Nadu. How can a tiny area of Sri Lanka be the "Homeland" of a populaion that is graeter by a factor of 25, and lives in another country? By comparision, 4% constitues the Muslim population in Germany. They are mostly Turks. Can you call Germany the "Homeland" of Turks? The answer is definitely 'No'. Therefore, the question of SL Army in Tamil Homeland does not arise, as Sri Lanka has not stationed any troops in South India. ( 124.43.218.113 ( talk) 06:01, 25 November 2008 (UTC))
Please discuss before blatantly blanking pages. FYI:
“ | In “1961, the Sri Lankan government declared a state of emergency and for the first time dispatched military troops to occupy the Tamil areas Northeast of Sri Lanka. This was in the wake of a mass non-violent protest (Satyagraha) in Jaffna, Vavuniya, Trincomalee and Batticaloa causing the entire Northeast to shut down”. | ” |
BTW: Here is my source info:
Please back up claims with legitimate sources instead of stating "It's a lie..." Wiki Raja ( talk) 06:19, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
"Because of the Sri Lankan army occupation of Jaffna and the state terrorism let loose on the people, hostility began to grow and the emotional division between Sinhalese and Tamils became more acute. A group of highly organized young Tamil militants, first calling themselves the New Tamil Tigers and later the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam, emerged in 1976 to confront the government terrorism by bearing arms."
"From 1979, because of the Sinhalese military occupation of Jaffna and the state terrorism let loose on the people. hostility began to grow and became deeply embedded in the Tamil people. A group of highly organized young Tamil militants, at first calling themselves the Eelam "Tigers", and then reorganised as the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam, became active in the northern Tamil areas." that can be seen here
"Because of the Sri Lankan army occupation of Jaffna and the state terrorism let loose on the people, hostility began to grow and the emotional division between Sinhalese and Tamils became more acute. A group of highly organized young Tamil militants, first calling themselves the New Tamil Tigers and later the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam, emerged in 1976 to confront the government terrorism by bearing arms."
Anymore addition of non RS sinhala state terrorist chauvinist sites will be countered with Tamil extremist sources. Thanks Watchdogb ( talk) 20:57, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
This was brought up on the corresponding US page, but was lost amidst all the noise surrounding the constant disputes and the AfD, so I decided to try the less "popular" articles. While I am not completely familiar with the history of these articles, I see there have been several different titles, at least for the American article. I raise issue with the current titles (Allegations of state terrorism by... ) as it does not specify, grammatically, whether the article subject is receiving allegations or making allegations. I know that "Allegations of state terrorism committed by..." is a bit verbose, especially for a title, I'm sure there is some better option than what we have now. Random 89 05:38, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
If material is to be added ti the article, it has to mention the word state terror. Wikipedia editors cannot decide if individual incidents are "state terror" or not.-- snowolfD4 ( talk / @ ) 18:24, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Sri Lanka and state terrorism is a more descriptive and relevant title. "Allegations" is a WP:WTA, but furthermore has a decidedly un-encyclopedic flavor to it. Encyclopedia cover topic as subjects, better described without adjectives, adverbs, or other such qualifiers. For example, when we list people, we shouldn't say "List of famous people", we should say "List of people". The community in general agrees with this format. To be certain, as a veteran of POV wars over titles, I will offer that the blander and more neutral the title, the better the editing gets.-- Cerejota ( talk) 21:18, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Right there in the first section it suggests that the Sinhalese populace engages in terrorism. A whole group can't be lumped in together like that. HumanFrailty ( talk) 20:34, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
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Richard asr ( talk) 22:02, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Obi2canbe has reverted my edit 4 times and want to have a section heading called "Recruitment of children" listed under "Specific allegations". I see this an attempt to deliberately mislead the readers, as the article is structured as follows:
Therefore the wording
Obi2canbe want in the article will be read and understood as follows:
This gross distortion of facts cannot be accepted. You ( Obi2xcanbe) have tried to push your edit by giving poor reasons such as:
It is evident by your ( Obi2canbe's) poor reasons themselves, that you are aware that it is a falsehood you are trying to push, and that in my view is a clear admission of POV and bad faith. Accuracy cannot at any cost be put aside in favour of shorter headings. Also, whether the readers read the whole article or not is not my concern, my concern is that in one place in the article there is this false construction (i.e. ignoring several other false claims in the article for the moment). As you very well have admitted by your own edit summaries, you know that there are no credible allegations of the govt recruiting child soldiers, but trying to desperately paint a distorted picture. The reference given describes in length why the authour(s) place such an allegation, namely because he/she/they accuse the Sri Lankan govt of aiding or turning a blind eye to TMVP recruiting children, not that the Sri Lankan state has recruited child soldiers. Simply put - the whole allegation is about inaction by the govt in the case of TMVP's recruitment of children, and not what you are trying to imply by your distorted version. Therefore your edit is a synthesis and distortion of published data and cannot be accepted, and I have reverted your edit on the basis of that it is a clear and deliberate attempt to distort facts, as your own edit summaries show. WP:IGNORE. If you still want your version of the edit in the artcle please present your arguments here or seek dispute resolution. If you revert my edit, I will seek dispute resolution myself, in addition to posting a complaint about your disruptive editing, as I have described in your user page.-- SriSuren ( talk) 11:03, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
This whole article seems to be a creation by somebody who identifies as a citizen of Eelam operating from UK, which is an imaginary state of mind of a group of terrorists called Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam. I am amazed that Wikipedia allows this kind of liars to publish garbage in piles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.198.184.111 ( talk) 17:46, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
^ More attempted government coverup? Wikipedia must maintain a neutral point of view and show issues on all sides. Nazi governments like Sri Lankas will be exposed too. 76.116.118.216 ( talk) 20:34, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
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Moved it to here per SLR agreement Taprobanus ( talk) 23:51, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
There is no such thing called "Tamil Homeland" on Sri Lankan soil. The "Tamil Homeland" exists in South India and it's home to 60 million Tamils. Only some 2.5 million Tamils live in Sri Lanka. That's about 4% of the Tamil population of the South Indian state of Tamil Nadu. How can a tiny area of Sri Lanka be the "Homeland" of a populaion that is graeter by a factor of 25, and lives in another country? By comparision, 4% constitues the Muslim population in Germany. They are mostly Turks. Can you call Germany the "Homeland" of Turks? The answer is definitely 'No'. Therefore, the question of SL Army in Tamil Homeland does not arise, as Sri Lanka has not stationed any troops in South India. ( 124.43.218.113 ( talk) 06:01, 25 November 2008 (UTC))
Please discuss before blatantly blanking pages. FYI:
“ | In “1961, the Sri Lankan government declared a state of emergency and for the first time dispatched military troops to occupy the Tamil areas Northeast of Sri Lanka. This was in the wake of a mass non-violent protest (Satyagraha) in Jaffna, Vavuniya, Trincomalee and Batticaloa causing the entire Northeast to shut down”. | ” |
BTW: Here is my source info:
Please back up claims with legitimate sources instead of stating "It's a lie..." Wiki Raja ( talk) 06:19, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
"Because of the Sri Lankan army occupation of Jaffna and the state terrorism let loose on the people, hostility began to grow and the emotional division between Sinhalese and Tamils became more acute. A group of highly organized young Tamil militants, first calling themselves the New Tamil Tigers and later the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam, emerged in 1976 to confront the government terrorism by bearing arms."
"From 1979, because of the Sinhalese military occupation of Jaffna and the state terrorism let loose on the people. hostility began to grow and became deeply embedded in the Tamil people. A group of highly organized young Tamil militants, at first calling themselves the Eelam "Tigers", and then reorganised as the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam, became active in the northern Tamil areas." that can be seen here
"Because of the Sri Lankan army occupation of Jaffna and the state terrorism let loose on the people, hostility began to grow and the emotional division between Sinhalese and Tamils became more acute. A group of highly organized young Tamil militants, first calling themselves the New Tamil Tigers and later the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam, emerged in 1976 to confront the government terrorism by bearing arms."
Anymore addition of non RS sinhala state terrorist chauvinist sites will be countered with Tamil extremist sources. Thanks Watchdogb ( talk) 20:57, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
This was brought up on the corresponding US page, but was lost amidst all the noise surrounding the constant disputes and the AfD, so I decided to try the less "popular" articles. While I am not completely familiar with the history of these articles, I see there have been several different titles, at least for the American article. I raise issue with the current titles (Allegations of state terrorism by... ) as it does not specify, grammatically, whether the article subject is receiving allegations or making allegations. I know that "Allegations of state terrorism committed by..." is a bit verbose, especially for a title, I'm sure there is some better option than what we have now. Random 89 05:38, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
If material is to be added ti the article, it has to mention the word state terror. Wikipedia editors cannot decide if individual incidents are "state terror" or not.-- snowolfD4 ( talk / @ ) 18:24, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Sri Lanka and state terrorism is a more descriptive and relevant title. "Allegations" is a WP:WTA, but furthermore has a decidedly un-encyclopedic flavor to it. Encyclopedia cover topic as subjects, better described without adjectives, adverbs, or other such qualifiers. For example, when we list people, we shouldn't say "List of famous people", we should say "List of people". The community in general agrees with this format. To be certain, as a veteran of POV wars over titles, I will offer that the blander and more neutral the title, the better the editing gets.-- Cerejota ( talk) 21:18, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Right there in the first section it suggests that the Sinhalese populace engages in terrorism. A whole group can't be lumped in together like that. HumanFrailty ( talk) 20:34, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
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Richard asr ( talk) 22:02, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Obi2canbe has reverted my edit 4 times and want to have a section heading called "Recruitment of children" listed under "Specific allegations". I see this an attempt to deliberately mislead the readers, as the article is structured as follows:
Therefore the wording
Obi2canbe want in the article will be read and understood as follows:
This gross distortion of facts cannot be accepted. You ( Obi2xcanbe) have tried to push your edit by giving poor reasons such as:
It is evident by your ( Obi2canbe's) poor reasons themselves, that you are aware that it is a falsehood you are trying to push, and that in my view is a clear admission of POV and bad faith. Accuracy cannot at any cost be put aside in favour of shorter headings. Also, whether the readers read the whole article or not is not my concern, my concern is that in one place in the article there is this false construction (i.e. ignoring several other false claims in the article for the moment). As you very well have admitted by your own edit summaries, you know that there are no credible allegations of the govt recruiting child soldiers, but trying to desperately paint a distorted picture. The reference given describes in length why the authour(s) place such an allegation, namely because he/she/they accuse the Sri Lankan govt of aiding or turning a blind eye to TMVP recruiting children, not that the Sri Lankan state has recruited child soldiers. Simply put - the whole allegation is about inaction by the govt in the case of TMVP's recruitment of children, and not what you are trying to imply by your distorted version. Therefore your edit is a synthesis and distortion of published data and cannot be accepted, and I have reverted your edit on the basis of that it is a clear and deliberate attempt to distort facts, as your own edit summaries show. WP:IGNORE. If you still want your version of the edit in the artcle please present your arguments here or seek dispute resolution. If you revert my edit, I will seek dispute resolution myself, in addition to posting a complaint about your disruptive editing, as I have described in your user page.-- SriSuren ( talk) 11:03, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
This whole article seems to be a creation by somebody who identifies as a citizen of Eelam operating from UK, which is an imaginary state of mind of a group of terrorists called Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam. I am amazed that Wikipedia allows this kind of liars to publish garbage in piles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.198.184.111 ( talk) 17:46, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
^ More attempted government coverup? Wikipedia must maintain a neutral point of view and show issues on all sides. Nazi governments like Sri Lankas will be exposed too. 76.116.118.216 ( talk) 20:34, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
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