"As systemic blood returns via two vena cavae to the branchial hearts," so does blood go systemic heart → body → branchial heart → gills → branchial heart → systemic heart? You should probably give a brief sentence charting the course of blood User:Dunkleosteus77 |
push to talk19:52, 25 January 2019 (UTC)reply
I think you're having some problems with commas. For example, "The mantle wall is heavily muscled and inside, the visceral mass, which is..." why is "visceral mass" treated as an interrupter? User:Dunkleosteus77 |
push to talk19:52, 25 January 2019 (UTC)reply
It really should have the word "ink" in there because if someone's trying to find information on squid ink, we want it to be easy to find. You could call it Ink, Inking, Squid ink, Ink ejection, etc. User:Dunkleosteus77 |
push to talk16:08, 26 January 2019 (UTC)reply
"...groups of Humboldt squid hunt cooperatively, using active communication," this seems to me to belong more in the Behavior section somewhere. Is there enough information out there to have a section on squid hunting behavior? You could also conceivably put it in the Feeding section User:Dunkleosteus77 |
push to talk19:52, 25 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Which images are you concerned about? Articles can use images with any of the many kinds of PD or CC license acceptable to Wikipedia, and even fair-usage images at a pinch.
Chiswick Chap (
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16:19, 26 January 2019 (UTC)reply
In Description, "each takes the form of a muscular hydrostat," so they're used for grasping and don't have bones? You can omit the latter sentiment because you've already established they don't have bones User:Dunkleosteus77 |
push to talk16:08, 26 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Is the entire second paragraph of Development just about the Hawaiian bobtail squid? It seems a bit off-topic to put so much detail, so you should probably limit it to maybe a sentence or two. Are there are lot of bioluminescent squid or is that the only one? I imagine deep sea squid have this User:Dunkleosteus77 |
push to talk17:58, 26 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Ceranthor might like to reply to this one. However, yes, there are many bioluminescent squid species, and this one has been well studied. I'll add a brief lead-in to the paragraph which may more or less sort this one out, perhaps.
Chiswick Chap (
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19:06, 26 January 2019 (UTC)reply
I've moved the diagram of the light-producing organ to Development to accompany the text; but it might be better to have both under Camouflage, in which case the text would indeed need to be cut down and merged with the text about the organ there. I'm happy either way.
Chiswick Chap (
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10:04, 27 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Mmm, yes. I've added an image of a bobtail swimming, and of a glass squid, er, being buoyant with its enormous coelom, in the relevant sections.
Chiswick Chap (
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10:04, 27 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Basically, the passage came from the
Octopus article because cephalopod development follows a common path. Embryology is not a subject I have studied but that does not mean I cannot paraphrase the source in my Invertebrate Biology.
Cwmhiraeth (
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10:58, 28 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Right, here is what the source states: "Cleavage is superficial and meroblastic, with only the cytoplasm at the animal pole undergoing cleavage. This results in the formation of a blastodisc of cells at the animal pole that develops into the embryo. During gastrulation the margin of the disc grows down and around the yolk mass to enclose it in a yolk sac that is eventually incorporated into the gut."
Cwmhiraeth (
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19:19, 28 January 2019 (UTC)reply
okay so what’s happening here is that egg-laying creatures typically have a yolk, and cell division (cleavage) occurs in a disc-like lump on top (the “animal pole) called the blastodisc which, because it’s the only thing there with cells, eventually forms the embryo. Then the yolk is incorporated into the forming embryo (“in a yolk sac”) during gastrulation when all the cells are beginning to differentiate themselves to eventually serve different purposes (like the heart cell is now different from the brain cell). So, now that you know what’s going on, reword it User:Dunkleosteus77 |
push to talk18:38, 29 January 2019 (UTC)reply
OK, I think I am not going to be bullied into changing the wording, which as far as I can see is accurate but a bit technical. I see nothing in the GA criteria that says that everything in an article should be fully comprehensible to a reader who knows little on a subject. Perhaps you could point out the criterion you are using to demand this change.
Cwmhiraeth (
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11:15, 30 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Yes, it must be clear. I've tweaked the wording and added a wikilink. Very little actually had to be changed. Hope this is ok with both you folks.
Chiswick Chap (
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16:02, 30 January 2019 (UTC)reply
I couldn't find a general source so I picked some common species where I could find the information. Some squid are much better researched than others.
Cwmhiraeth (
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19:08, 27 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Look at the first sentence of buoyancy, "Unlike nautiloids which have gas-filled chambers inside their shells to provide buoyancy ... squid largely live in mid-water and need to control their buoyancy to prevent themselves from sinking" User:Dunkleosteus77 |
push to talk16:11, 27 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Yes, I saw that. However, Cott died in 1987, so I calculate that in 2058 the book will be PD. I've no idea what the Wayback guys think they are doing, but it sure looks like a mistake to me. There is no ISBN; I've added the OCLC for you.
Chiswick Chap (
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08:33, 30 January 2019 (UTC)reply
"As systemic blood returns via two vena cavae to the branchial hearts," so does blood go systemic heart → body → branchial heart → gills → branchial heart → systemic heart? You should probably give a brief sentence charting the course of blood User:Dunkleosteus77 |
push to talk19:52, 25 January 2019 (UTC)reply
I think you're having some problems with commas. For example, "The mantle wall is heavily muscled and inside, the visceral mass, which is..." why is "visceral mass" treated as an interrupter? User:Dunkleosteus77 |
push to talk19:52, 25 January 2019 (UTC)reply
It really should have the word "ink" in there because if someone's trying to find information on squid ink, we want it to be easy to find. You could call it Ink, Inking, Squid ink, Ink ejection, etc. User:Dunkleosteus77 |
push to talk16:08, 26 January 2019 (UTC)reply
"...groups of Humboldt squid hunt cooperatively, using active communication," this seems to me to belong more in the Behavior section somewhere. Is there enough information out there to have a section on squid hunting behavior? You could also conceivably put it in the Feeding section User:Dunkleosteus77 |
push to talk19:52, 25 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Which images are you concerned about? Articles can use images with any of the many kinds of PD or CC license acceptable to Wikipedia, and even fair-usage images at a pinch.
Chiswick Chap (
talk)
16:19, 26 January 2019 (UTC)reply
In Description, "each takes the form of a muscular hydrostat," so they're used for grasping and don't have bones? You can omit the latter sentiment because you've already established they don't have bones User:Dunkleosteus77 |
push to talk16:08, 26 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Is the entire second paragraph of Development just about the Hawaiian bobtail squid? It seems a bit off-topic to put so much detail, so you should probably limit it to maybe a sentence or two. Are there are lot of bioluminescent squid or is that the only one? I imagine deep sea squid have this User:Dunkleosteus77 |
push to talk17:58, 26 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Ceranthor might like to reply to this one. However, yes, there are many bioluminescent squid species, and this one has been well studied. I'll add a brief lead-in to the paragraph which may more or less sort this one out, perhaps.
Chiswick Chap (
talk)
19:06, 26 January 2019 (UTC)reply
I've moved the diagram of the light-producing organ to Development to accompany the text; but it might be better to have both under Camouflage, in which case the text would indeed need to be cut down and merged with the text about the organ there. I'm happy either way.
Chiswick Chap (
talk)
10:04, 27 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Mmm, yes. I've added an image of a bobtail swimming, and of a glass squid, er, being buoyant with its enormous coelom, in the relevant sections.
Chiswick Chap (
talk)
10:04, 27 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Basically, the passage came from the
Octopus article because cephalopod development follows a common path. Embryology is not a subject I have studied but that does not mean I cannot paraphrase the source in my Invertebrate Biology.
Cwmhiraeth (
talk)
10:58, 28 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Right, here is what the source states: "Cleavage is superficial and meroblastic, with only the cytoplasm at the animal pole undergoing cleavage. This results in the formation of a blastodisc of cells at the animal pole that develops into the embryo. During gastrulation the margin of the disc grows down and around the yolk mass to enclose it in a yolk sac that is eventually incorporated into the gut."
Cwmhiraeth (
talk)
19:19, 28 January 2019 (UTC)reply
okay so what’s happening here is that egg-laying creatures typically have a yolk, and cell division (cleavage) occurs in a disc-like lump on top (the “animal pole) called the blastodisc which, because it’s the only thing there with cells, eventually forms the embryo. Then the yolk is incorporated into the forming embryo (“in a yolk sac”) during gastrulation when all the cells are beginning to differentiate themselves to eventually serve different purposes (like the heart cell is now different from the brain cell). So, now that you know what’s going on, reword it User:Dunkleosteus77 |
push to talk18:38, 29 January 2019 (UTC)reply
OK, I think I am not going to be bullied into changing the wording, which as far as I can see is accurate but a bit technical. I see nothing in the GA criteria that says that everything in an article should be fully comprehensible to a reader who knows little on a subject. Perhaps you could point out the criterion you are using to demand this change.
Cwmhiraeth (
talk)
11:15, 30 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Yes, it must be clear. I've tweaked the wording and added a wikilink. Very little actually had to be changed. Hope this is ok with both you folks.
Chiswick Chap (
talk)
16:02, 30 January 2019 (UTC)reply
I couldn't find a general source so I picked some common species where I could find the information. Some squid are much better researched than others.
Cwmhiraeth (
talk)
19:08, 27 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Look at the first sentence of buoyancy, "Unlike nautiloids which have gas-filled chambers inside their shells to provide buoyancy ... squid largely live in mid-water and need to control their buoyancy to prevent themselves from sinking" User:Dunkleosteus77 |
push to talk16:11, 27 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Yes, I saw that. However, Cott died in 1987, so I calculate that in 2058 the book will be PD. I've no idea what the Wayback guys think they are doing, but it sure looks like a mistake to me. There is no ISBN; I've added the OCLC for you.
Chiswick Chap (
talk)
08:33, 30 January 2019 (UTC)reply