Oh god, come on, of all the squat info in all the world, knowing that the bulk of people squat freeweight, you gotta include a picture some shadow squatting on a smith machine (which is controversial, due to its ROM) at the top of the article? Sometimes wikipedia comes up short. -- 66.92.166.251 11:40, 16 September 2005
Does anyone know what would a typical max for squat for a 135 lb, 17 year old male be? -- Gusiman 02:07, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Just thought it would be interesting to know, I am 135lbs and max 206, and I am not an athlete or anything, basketball maybe, I am working on my vertical jump and my hang time, and I know that squatting can help me there. I also leg press 400, so I dont think my legs are weak...are they?-- Gusiman 01:57, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
I am trying to research thets (if there are any) of performing squats in plie (externally rotating the hips in a wide stance.) This exercise is performed regularly in ballet. Doesn't it work certain muscles that are not worked in a parallel traditional squat? Wouldn't it be a good thing to do some squats in turn-out? or no? mm User:128.97.145.81 19:18, 9 August 2006
There's a difference between keeping your back neutral, and keeping it upright. Especially in powerlifting squats, where you break at the hip first, and reach for an unexistant chair behind you with a wide stance, you need to lean forward keeping back neutral to maintain your center of gravity over your feet. If you do not so, and keep your knees over your toes, you'll topple backward. Look here for a full description by Louie Simmons, of Westside fame. Olympic squats are more upright; you break 'at the knee', and go down, instead of down and backwards. They are harder on your knees. User:201.221.23.60 03:00, 29 October 2006
So is there weight or isn't there? Alex Klotz 21:58, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
For 97203414 as well as its edit 97205759, I reverted the article to a previous version because of the changes to the movement section and personal comments strewn throughout the article. The movement section describes the general movement performed during a squat, not the exact execution. There are plenty of guides available on the internet on how to squat if the reader would like to find one. Experts are completely divided on how a squat should be properly performed and the variation between individuals is great. This is complicated even further by the the various styles -- powerlifting vs. Olympic vs. athletic, etc. Because of this disagreement, it is not appropriate for the encyclopedia to force one method on the reader.
I also reverted the description of the front squat in the Variants section. The section made the claim that the Olympic grip is "better" than the bodybuilding grip. This is NOT a neutral POV and does not belong in this encylopedia. If the original editor wishes to discuss the advantages or disadvantages of the different front squat grips, he should do so in a front squat article from a NPOV.
As I see it, the focus of this page should be for a reader to be able to use it to identify the general movement of a squat and then the various types of squats. Additionally, it should provide an overview of the division between experts on how to safely perform a squat, mention the commonly available safety equipment, and make note of the use of depth increasing aids.
As far as edits, I reverted to the Westside description of a box squat. Any box squat is meant to momentarily kill the stretch reflex by resting the body on the box as well as, at least, partially unweight the legs. When the box is merely touched, it is being used as a depth gauge. A squat with a depth gauge is not a box squat.
Finally, in the leg press addendum to the Variants section, I removed the part about using the duck press on the leg press. This is redundant because the note already specifies that the reader should try the leg press. As well, as far as I know, the duck press specifically is not a common recommendation for use in lieu of a squat. This should be referenced if it is to be included. 24.166.65.230 21:34, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
The world record section gets a lot of attention and reverts IIRC, rather than continually go back and forth, how 'bout a discussion of what should go here? There are probably numerous different kinds of world records, unassisted, assisted, official, unofficial, verified, not, etc. All need some sort of attribution. The section I pasted from the main page is below, I've added some tags and re-worded some stuff. WLU 19:49, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
"Dr Thienna Ho from Vietnam performed 5,135 sumo squats in one hour". What's the background to that? Is it impressive? And what's a "sumo squat"? 5,135 in one hour implies one every 0.7 seconds, so these "squats" can only have been a body-weight squat. That sounds only slightly harder than running fast for one hour. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.135.113 ( talk) 23:15, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
This is poorly written and superfluous. At the beginning of the article, it's already said that the squat is a competitive lift in powerlifting and an essential movement in weightlifting. That "there are several types of squats" is more than obvious on account of the long list of variants at the end of the article. A discussion of the adaptation of the movement to suit the needs of each sport is better suited in the articles on each sport. The last two sentences also try to make a differentiation between weightlifting and powerlifting squats, but ultimately say the same thing. There is no one style completely relevant to assisting weightlifting just as there is no one style to compete in powerlifting. Finally, it's misleading to say squats cannot be performed in "any way to lift the most weight as possible" in powerlifting. There are specific rules that govern how they are to be performed in order to standardize and enable judging.
Ultimately, I don't think it's appropriate to differentiate between powerlifting and weightlifting squats in this article. To do so unnecessarily qualifies the essential question of this encyclopedia article -- what is a squat? It creates an open-ended qualification that this article will be unable to resolve: what is a squat... in the context of powerlifting? in the context of weightlifting? in the context of strongman? in the context of athletic development? in the context of bodybuilding? in the context of recreation? in the context of rehabilitation? etc. – 24.93.230.13 ( talk) 20:56, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
If links to theExRx articles, written by experts, are deleted on the basis of not being reliable, then so should the link to the WebMD article. The portion of the WebMD article regarding the safety of Smith machine Squats is entirely conjecture, and doesn't cite any research to support the claim that Smith machine Squats are unsafe. 203.173.16.199 ( talk) 07:43, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
The photo in the article is quite ridiculous. Why the man wear a pyjamas and slippers? And why he is in a bedroom? Maybe he is doing squat before bed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.2.242.191 ( talk) 19:58, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
What is a 'raw squat? 'Unequipped' with what ? BasiSupeGa ( talk) 07:10, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
The world record for the assisted squat is 1220 lb (553.4 kg), performed by Mike Miller, though he did not fully complete the lift. [1] Though Miller requested this squat be stricken from the record books as he did not feel he went to the correct depth, the American Powerlifting Federation kept the record. It is widely accepted who? that Andy Bolton now holds the all time squat record with a lift of 1213 lbs (550.5 kg). citation needed The unassisted squat world record holder is former WWE wrestler Mark Henry, recorded on July 16, 1995. citation needed
What kind of crap record is "ming-xue 864kg for 6 reps in a kevlar suit to insufficient depth"? We might as well start adding marvel comic characters speculative squat numbers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.19.113.189 ( talk) 19:11, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
But ming-xue is not a marvel characters??? Please sorry for bad engrish . what means speculative? I taking squat numbers from Mandarin greatest world records book 2002. published in songhua. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.5.126.47 ( talk) 12:33, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
I was just wondering, I saw a youtube vid where he's supposedly lifting 1220, does anyone know if he's listed under any official records? Tyciol ( talk) 02:03, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Going to parallel is about the point where your knee requires the most muscle to stabilize itself, going below shifts the weight to your upper leg, which is actually safer, so I took out the part that says the lower you squat the more risk of injury. Do not put that sentence back in UNLESS you get a citation. 71.64.105.56 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:37, 8 July 2009 (UTC).
Oh god, come on, of all the squat info in all the world, knowing that the bulk of people squat freeweight, you gotta include a picture some shadow squatting on a smith machine (which is controversial, due to its ROM) at the top of the article? Sometimes wikipedia comes up short. -- 66.92.166.251 11:40, 16 September 2005
Does anyone know what would a typical max for squat for a 135 lb, 17 year old male be? -- Gusiman 02:07, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Just thought it would be interesting to know, I am 135lbs and max 206, and I am not an athlete or anything, basketball maybe, I am working on my vertical jump and my hang time, and I know that squatting can help me there. I also leg press 400, so I dont think my legs are weak...are they?-- Gusiman 01:57, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
I am trying to research thets (if there are any) of performing squats in plie (externally rotating the hips in a wide stance.) This exercise is performed regularly in ballet. Doesn't it work certain muscles that are not worked in a parallel traditional squat? Wouldn't it be a good thing to do some squats in turn-out? or no? mm User:128.97.145.81 19:18, 9 August 2006
There's a difference between keeping your back neutral, and keeping it upright. Especially in powerlifting squats, where you break at the hip first, and reach for an unexistant chair behind you with a wide stance, you need to lean forward keeping back neutral to maintain your center of gravity over your feet. If you do not so, and keep your knees over your toes, you'll topple backward. Look here for a full description by Louie Simmons, of Westside fame. Olympic squats are more upright; you break 'at the knee', and go down, instead of down and backwards. They are harder on your knees. User:201.221.23.60 03:00, 29 October 2006
So is there weight or isn't there? Alex Klotz 21:58, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
For 97203414 as well as its edit 97205759, I reverted the article to a previous version because of the changes to the movement section and personal comments strewn throughout the article. The movement section describes the general movement performed during a squat, not the exact execution. There are plenty of guides available on the internet on how to squat if the reader would like to find one. Experts are completely divided on how a squat should be properly performed and the variation between individuals is great. This is complicated even further by the the various styles -- powerlifting vs. Olympic vs. athletic, etc. Because of this disagreement, it is not appropriate for the encyclopedia to force one method on the reader.
I also reverted the description of the front squat in the Variants section. The section made the claim that the Olympic grip is "better" than the bodybuilding grip. This is NOT a neutral POV and does not belong in this encylopedia. If the original editor wishes to discuss the advantages or disadvantages of the different front squat grips, he should do so in a front squat article from a NPOV.
As I see it, the focus of this page should be for a reader to be able to use it to identify the general movement of a squat and then the various types of squats. Additionally, it should provide an overview of the division between experts on how to safely perform a squat, mention the commonly available safety equipment, and make note of the use of depth increasing aids.
As far as edits, I reverted to the Westside description of a box squat. Any box squat is meant to momentarily kill the stretch reflex by resting the body on the box as well as, at least, partially unweight the legs. When the box is merely touched, it is being used as a depth gauge. A squat with a depth gauge is not a box squat.
Finally, in the leg press addendum to the Variants section, I removed the part about using the duck press on the leg press. This is redundant because the note already specifies that the reader should try the leg press. As well, as far as I know, the duck press specifically is not a common recommendation for use in lieu of a squat. This should be referenced if it is to be included. 24.166.65.230 21:34, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
The world record section gets a lot of attention and reverts IIRC, rather than continually go back and forth, how 'bout a discussion of what should go here? There are probably numerous different kinds of world records, unassisted, assisted, official, unofficial, verified, not, etc. All need some sort of attribution. The section I pasted from the main page is below, I've added some tags and re-worded some stuff. WLU 19:49, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
"Dr Thienna Ho from Vietnam performed 5,135 sumo squats in one hour". What's the background to that? Is it impressive? And what's a "sumo squat"? 5,135 in one hour implies one every 0.7 seconds, so these "squats" can only have been a body-weight squat. That sounds only slightly harder than running fast for one hour. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.135.113 ( talk) 23:15, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
This is poorly written and superfluous. At the beginning of the article, it's already said that the squat is a competitive lift in powerlifting and an essential movement in weightlifting. That "there are several types of squats" is more than obvious on account of the long list of variants at the end of the article. A discussion of the adaptation of the movement to suit the needs of each sport is better suited in the articles on each sport. The last two sentences also try to make a differentiation between weightlifting and powerlifting squats, but ultimately say the same thing. There is no one style completely relevant to assisting weightlifting just as there is no one style to compete in powerlifting. Finally, it's misleading to say squats cannot be performed in "any way to lift the most weight as possible" in powerlifting. There are specific rules that govern how they are to be performed in order to standardize and enable judging.
Ultimately, I don't think it's appropriate to differentiate between powerlifting and weightlifting squats in this article. To do so unnecessarily qualifies the essential question of this encyclopedia article -- what is a squat? It creates an open-ended qualification that this article will be unable to resolve: what is a squat... in the context of powerlifting? in the context of weightlifting? in the context of strongman? in the context of athletic development? in the context of bodybuilding? in the context of recreation? in the context of rehabilitation? etc. – 24.93.230.13 ( talk) 20:56, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
If links to theExRx articles, written by experts, are deleted on the basis of not being reliable, then so should the link to the WebMD article. The portion of the WebMD article regarding the safety of Smith machine Squats is entirely conjecture, and doesn't cite any research to support the claim that Smith machine Squats are unsafe. 203.173.16.199 ( talk) 07:43, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
The photo in the article is quite ridiculous. Why the man wear a pyjamas and slippers? And why he is in a bedroom? Maybe he is doing squat before bed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.2.242.191 ( talk) 19:58, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
What is a 'raw squat? 'Unequipped' with what ? BasiSupeGa ( talk) 07:10, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
The world record for the assisted squat is 1220 lb (553.4 kg), performed by Mike Miller, though he did not fully complete the lift. [1] Though Miller requested this squat be stricken from the record books as he did not feel he went to the correct depth, the American Powerlifting Federation kept the record. It is widely accepted who? that Andy Bolton now holds the all time squat record with a lift of 1213 lbs (550.5 kg). citation needed The unassisted squat world record holder is former WWE wrestler Mark Henry, recorded on July 16, 1995. citation needed
What kind of crap record is "ming-xue 864kg for 6 reps in a kevlar suit to insufficient depth"? We might as well start adding marvel comic characters speculative squat numbers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.19.113.189 ( talk) 19:11, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
But ming-xue is not a marvel characters??? Please sorry for bad engrish . what means speculative? I taking squat numbers from Mandarin greatest world records book 2002. published in songhua. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.5.126.47 ( talk) 12:33, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
I was just wondering, I saw a youtube vid where he's supposedly lifting 1220, does anyone know if he's listed under any official records? Tyciol ( talk) 02:03, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Going to parallel is about the point where your knee requires the most muscle to stabilize itself, going below shifts the weight to your upper leg, which is actually safer, so I took out the part that says the lower you squat the more risk of injury. Do not put that sentence back in UNLESS you get a citation. 71.64.105.56 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:37, 8 July 2009 (UTC).