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The length of time between settlement and incorporation is highly unusual. Was the date actually 1652? 2602:304:CDA6:51B0:A0EA:9FB5:D8B5:C42D ( talk) 22:39, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
I changed the wording to remove any illusion that Springfield has any relationship with the airport other than residents use it. Markvs88 ( talk) 01:20, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
Update: I've had several queries as to what my reason(s) were as to why "Connecticut's Bradley International Airport, is 12 miles (19 km) south of Metro Center Springfield." is correct wording and "is known as the Hartford-Springfield airport" is not accurate.
1) Interestingly, all I did was word the entry about the airport in the lede to match what's under Transportation | Air later in the article(!) Which makes me ask... why is it in the lede at all, and why is it okay further down in the article?
2) Bradley International Airport is wholly owned and operated by the Connecticut Airport Authority. Springfield and Massachusetts contribute zero dollars to the airport on a yearly basis. I am not opposed to wording that states the airport serves the city/region, but anything beyond that alludes to some sort of ownership.
3) All three of the three citations are from airlines, not the airport itself nor any official agency. While some of the airlines (AA, Delta, Jetblue) call the airport Hartford-Springfield... that's only for their ROUTE DESTINATIONS, and not the airport itself. Other airlines (Southwest, Spirit, United) call their airport routes Hartford, Bradley (or some variant lacking Springfield).
3b) SFY is the the International Air Transport Association (IATA) code for Springfield, which is used for flights into both Bradley International Airport (IATA: BDL) and Westover Metropolitan Airport (IATA: CEF) as a convenience.
3c) However, I cannot find *any* flights that originate FROM SFY -- it is impossible to fly out of Springfield (from either airport). That includes those airlines that list "Hartford-Springfield" as a destination and various aggregators (Kayak, Orbitz, Expedia, Cheapoair...).
4) Finally and most importantly, Bradley International Airport is not listed as "Hartford-Springfield" by the FAA, [1] but exclusively as Bradley International Airport.
TL:DR version: Bradley International Airport is not known as "Hartford-Springfield" except by some airlines for incoming flights only. The airport is owned by Connecticut and has no tie to Springfield other than its residents prefer to drive to it instead of going to Boston.
Best, Markvs88 ( talk) 03:12, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for reading, I again apologize for the length of this reply! Markvs88 ( talk) 02:22, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi Dbroer,
1. Then we have an accord! Excellent.
1b. Um... "Definition of shared - 1 : used, done, belonging to, or experienced by two or more individuals" [4]. *That* is why I keep coming back to it.
1c. Actually, that's the whole point, isn't it? This article is about the City of Springfield, it is not the Hartford–Springfield article. So as I keep saying... this airport has nothing to do with the City of Springfield, and it should definitely not be in the lede.
2. Um... that's what I've been talking about the whole time. The sentence I made I am fine with. It was your addition of "is part of the Springfield Metropolitan Area and is alternatively known as the Hartford-Springfield airport". Both of which are not accurate statements.
2b. Yes, as a destination, not as an airport. Like I've been saying, the airport is BDL - aka Bradley. The destination route that those three airlines use is SFY. Which is why "is alternatively known as the Hartford-Springfield airport" is not correct. It is mixing destinations (cities) with the airport name.
3. Again, we're talking about "is alternatively known as the Hartford-Springfield airport". Which it clearly is not.
4. There are lots of people that call a certain football team "The Cheatriots". It doesn't mean that's an acceptable alternative name for them, does it?
5. Again, we are talking about "is alternatively known as the Hartford-Springfield airport". This citation is not about airports.
6. Yes, both metro areas use the airport. One state owns it, and that state is not MA.
7. Again, no. The MSA is specifically 3 MA counties. NECTA is an alternative method to look at data. As stated, Windsor Locks is *not* in Springfield's MSA. And again, this article is about the City of Springfield, not the MSA.
8. Yeah, what a revelation: I ask to fly to a city with no airport of its own, and they find the closest one. Truly, that's amazing. Did you know that if you just walked up and asked to fly to "Springfield" the airport you are sent to is this one? Springfield–Branson National Airport
The NOAA link is just a list of cities and nothing more. That said, I agree to delete in the lede, I do not think you've proven anything regarding the name of the Airport as you have shown zero government sources using it. I am glad our discussion remained cordial, and I wish you well. See you around! Markvs88 ( talk) 20:23, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
References
Many years ago I was informed, by editors and administrators alike, that the consensus on the use on flags in infoboxes was that "settlements" are not an exception, and, after a random glance at towns of all sizes across the world, it appears most editors are compliant. However, their removal to this article has been reverted by
Simtropolitan with the following edit summary: "(reversed change; MOS:INFOBOXFLAG does allow use of flags in cities and other populated places; do agree however showing flags of previous countries does detract from subject)", and although
MOS:INFOBOXFLAG does say Where one article covers both human and physical geographic subjects (e.g., Manhattan, which covers both the borough of New York City and the island of the same name), or where the status of the territory is subject to a political dispute, the consensus of editors at that article will determine whether flag use in the infobox is preferred or not.
, there appears to have been no debate on this or consensus reached.
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Human geographic articles – for example settlements and administrative subdivisions – may have flags of the country and first-level administrative subdivision in infoboxes., I apologise and humbly submit we change all the others.
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Today the city is the largest in western New England, and the urban, economic, and cultural capital of Massachusetts' section of the Connecticut River Valley,[citation needed] colloquially known as the Pioneer Valley. I have invited the other user in the summaries to cite this claim, he is saying it is common knowledge. That's simply not the case. Springfield is the largest city in western NE, sure, but saying it is the cultural capital of anywhere is subjective and needs a source. And that's all I'm asking for. Markvs88 ( talk) 20:24, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
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A CBSA is a geographic entity associated with at least one core of 10,000 or more population, plus adjacent territory that has a high degree of social and economic integration with the core as measured by commuting ties
The city [Springfield] serves as the cultural, economic, political, and religious headquarters of the region.
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 21 September 2021 and 16 November 2021. Further details are available
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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 10:04, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
The Notable people list is very long. Does anyone have any thoughts on if the list was made into a separate page? Kaltenmeyer ( talk) 03:31, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
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The length of time between settlement and incorporation is highly unusual. Was the date actually 1652? 2602:304:CDA6:51B0:A0EA:9FB5:D8B5:C42D ( talk) 22:39, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
I changed the wording to remove any illusion that Springfield has any relationship with the airport other than residents use it. Markvs88 ( talk) 01:20, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
Update: I've had several queries as to what my reason(s) were as to why "Connecticut's Bradley International Airport, is 12 miles (19 km) south of Metro Center Springfield." is correct wording and "is known as the Hartford-Springfield airport" is not accurate.
1) Interestingly, all I did was word the entry about the airport in the lede to match what's under Transportation | Air later in the article(!) Which makes me ask... why is it in the lede at all, and why is it okay further down in the article?
2) Bradley International Airport is wholly owned and operated by the Connecticut Airport Authority. Springfield and Massachusetts contribute zero dollars to the airport on a yearly basis. I am not opposed to wording that states the airport serves the city/region, but anything beyond that alludes to some sort of ownership.
3) All three of the three citations are from airlines, not the airport itself nor any official agency. While some of the airlines (AA, Delta, Jetblue) call the airport Hartford-Springfield... that's only for their ROUTE DESTINATIONS, and not the airport itself. Other airlines (Southwest, Spirit, United) call their airport routes Hartford, Bradley (or some variant lacking Springfield).
3b) SFY is the the International Air Transport Association (IATA) code for Springfield, which is used for flights into both Bradley International Airport (IATA: BDL) and Westover Metropolitan Airport (IATA: CEF) as a convenience.
3c) However, I cannot find *any* flights that originate FROM SFY -- it is impossible to fly out of Springfield (from either airport). That includes those airlines that list "Hartford-Springfield" as a destination and various aggregators (Kayak, Orbitz, Expedia, Cheapoair...).
4) Finally and most importantly, Bradley International Airport is not listed as "Hartford-Springfield" by the FAA, [1] but exclusively as Bradley International Airport.
TL:DR version: Bradley International Airport is not known as "Hartford-Springfield" except by some airlines for incoming flights only. The airport is owned by Connecticut and has no tie to Springfield other than its residents prefer to drive to it instead of going to Boston.
Best, Markvs88 ( talk) 03:12, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for reading, I again apologize for the length of this reply! Markvs88 ( talk) 02:22, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi Dbroer,
1. Then we have an accord! Excellent.
1b. Um... "Definition of shared - 1 : used, done, belonging to, or experienced by two or more individuals" [4]. *That* is why I keep coming back to it.
1c. Actually, that's the whole point, isn't it? This article is about the City of Springfield, it is not the Hartford–Springfield article. So as I keep saying... this airport has nothing to do with the City of Springfield, and it should definitely not be in the lede.
2. Um... that's what I've been talking about the whole time. The sentence I made I am fine with. It was your addition of "is part of the Springfield Metropolitan Area and is alternatively known as the Hartford-Springfield airport". Both of which are not accurate statements.
2b. Yes, as a destination, not as an airport. Like I've been saying, the airport is BDL - aka Bradley. The destination route that those three airlines use is SFY. Which is why "is alternatively known as the Hartford-Springfield airport" is not correct. It is mixing destinations (cities) with the airport name.
3. Again, we're talking about "is alternatively known as the Hartford-Springfield airport". Which it clearly is not.
4. There are lots of people that call a certain football team "The Cheatriots". It doesn't mean that's an acceptable alternative name for them, does it?
5. Again, we are talking about "is alternatively known as the Hartford-Springfield airport". This citation is not about airports.
6. Yes, both metro areas use the airport. One state owns it, and that state is not MA.
7. Again, no. The MSA is specifically 3 MA counties. NECTA is an alternative method to look at data. As stated, Windsor Locks is *not* in Springfield's MSA. And again, this article is about the City of Springfield, not the MSA.
8. Yeah, what a revelation: I ask to fly to a city with no airport of its own, and they find the closest one. Truly, that's amazing. Did you know that if you just walked up and asked to fly to "Springfield" the airport you are sent to is this one? Springfield–Branson National Airport
The NOAA link is just a list of cities and nothing more. That said, I agree to delete in the lede, I do not think you've proven anything regarding the name of the Airport as you have shown zero government sources using it. I am glad our discussion remained cordial, and I wish you well. See you around! Markvs88 ( talk) 20:23, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
References
Many years ago I was informed, by editors and administrators alike, that the consensus on the use on flags in infoboxes was that "settlements" are not an exception, and, after a random glance at towns of all sizes across the world, it appears most editors are compliant. However, their removal to this article has been reverted by
Simtropolitan with the following edit summary: "(reversed change; MOS:INFOBOXFLAG does allow use of flags in cities and other populated places; do agree however showing flags of previous countries does detract from subject)", and although
MOS:INFOBOXFLAG does say Where one article covers both human and physical geographic subjects (e.g., Manhattan, which covers both the borough of New York City and the island of the same name), or where the status of the territory is subject to a political dispute, the consensus of editors at that article will determine whether flag use in the infobox is preferred or not.
, there appears to have been no debate on this or consensus reached.
My Favourite Account
😊
16:27, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
Human geographic articles – for example settlements and administrative subdivisions – may have flags of the country and first-level administrative subdivision in infoboxes., I apologise and humbly submit we change all the others.
My Favourite Account 😊 17:32, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
My Favourite Account 😊 17:55, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
Today the city is the largest in western New England, and the urban, economic, and cultural capital of Massachusetts' section of the Connecticut River Valley,[citation needed] colloquially known as the Pioneer Valley. I have invited the other user in the summaries to cite this claim, he is saying it is common knowledge. That's simply not the case. Springfield is the largest city in western NE, sure, but saying it is the cultural capital of anywhere is subjective and needs a source. And that's all I'm asking for. Markvs88 ( talk) 20:24, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
References
A CBSA is a geographic entity associated with at least one core of 10,000 or more population, plus adjacent territory that has a high degree of social and economic integration with the core as measured by commuting ties
The city [Springfield] serves as the cultural, economic, political, and religious headquarters of the region.
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 21 September 2021 and 16 November 2021. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
Doucereuse.
Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 10:04, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
The Notable people list is very long. Does anyone have any thoughts on if the list was made into a separate page? Kaltenmeyer ( talk) 03:31, 5 August 2022 (UTC)