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In Australia, the ABC3 Channel, EPG and the TV Week magazine all display the title of the show "Spliced!" with an exclamation at the end. Since the wikipedia page doesn't include it, I contacted the Nelvana website to ask them officially what the title actually is and in response, they said "...to confirm the name, the shows' name is with an exclamation "Spliced!"
So I shall now add the missing exclamations to the page so it's correct but I do still have the response email from Nelvana, if I need to show proof or something.
AnimatedZebra ( talk) 08:54, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
The user, 189.128.32.131, has tampered with the information of the show, Spliced!, by entering random people as the creditors for the shows, rather than the people who actually worked on it. Here's the correct version of the credits. Apparently, it's too late to simply undo the mass amount of edits this person has done. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trosmando ( talk • contribs) 02:05, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Platypus Kung Fu —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.246.161.130 ( talk) 03:51, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
Please read WP:IINFO. There's no need to list every one-shot character in the series — it's an excessive amount of detail that's of interest only to fans. I'm a fan of the show myself and I wish there were a more available outlet to see it in the US, but I'm not going to turn this into the Spliced wiki. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ( Otters want attention) 20:43, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
There is no reason to remove an entire section because some of listed characters are only one shots. Many of the minor characters are reoccurring (i.e the Wunny Sharbit, Sid) there is also information about people who have done guest apperinces doing voice work of these characters. If you feel that some of the information is wrong, correct it, but don't remove the work of others because you personal don' like the minor characters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Girloveswaffles ( talk • contribs) 08:33, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
It was not a question of weather or not you liked the show, but of not deleting a complete section because you don't like the minor character section. Removing a complete section of other people(s) input is tantamount to vandalism. once again, if you feel some of the information is wrong, correct it. But don't delete a complete area of a topic just for your own preferences. once again may I remind you, some of these "Minor" characters are reoccurring, and there are links and information about voice actors in this section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Girloveswaffles ( talk • contribs) 20:35, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
You've stated no valid reason to remove the information other than your own opinion that it's not necessary. That's a preference. If you don't think the information is important, skip over it. It's not up to you whose input should be listed, other than errors that need to be corrected. And why did you feel it necessary to edit my talk? Are you trying to keep people from seeing my posts? Knock it off. I didn't edit any of your posts.
I've listed why many do have importance of why they should be listed.
That's a lot more information on an episode than what Titan T.V or T.V.) Give you (and in the case of the later, none.). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Girloveswaffles ( talk • contribs) 10:03, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
Response to third opinion request: |
Thank you for requesting a third opinion in this discussion. I have read the article and the discussion above. The guidelines relating to list inclusion are purposefully vague on what things do and do not belong in lists. There is more specific advice available in the Manual of Style specifically regarding television shows and character listings. It says "Not every fictional character ever created deserves to be listed..." and further recommends that the main articles on a serires should be divded into "Main cast" and "Recurring characters" sections. It is my opinion that including one-time characters is excessive and unnecessary to the article. Not being familiar with the show itself, I cannot comment on which characters actually qualify as recurring. I would recommend you continue the discussion here on the talk page and reach a consensus on which characters who have appeared in more than one episode are actually going to contribute to the reader's understanding of the show. There may be some characters who have appeared more than once whose inclusion in the list will not add anything for a reader who has not seen the program. I would also note that it is preferable, although not required, to have some non-primary reliable sources regarding all of the characters in the list. While notability does not restrict article content, things that are likely to be challenged (such as the importance of a particular character to the overall series) should be sourced. The ability of a casual reader to understand the subject is the primary concern in an article. Too much detail should be left to fansites and other wikis.— Jim Miller See me | Touch me 14:30, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
If you've only seen a few episodes then you obviously don't know that Sid, The Wunny Sharbit, Molsters and others show up in multiple episodes, and that Whirles, Crocowolves, Claw-o-patra and others. are mentioned by name in many episodes. And mentioning a character in a summary is not the same as a description or history. And the idea of listing this information is for people like you that haven't (or can't) see all the episodes, and Fuzzy and Compuhorse show up in less in the show than some of the "Minor" Character.. If a character mentioned such as, say, a "Batdrill" isn't valid, then remove or edit it. But don't delete a mass section of the article because YOU don't think the information is needed. A real problem I do have with the list is that it's not alphabetized. I'd like to correct that, but I have to waste my time dealing with your "Edits". Go to YouTube and swatch some episodes and learn something. Also, I sourced my information. or did you not read my contributions before you threw out an entire section? By the way, You are removing the input of several people when you do that. Once again, if you feel that some of the character listings are in error, feel free to edit. But removing all of this information is vandalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Girloveswaffles ( talk • contribs)
Better yet, how about you stop re-deleting all of it instead. It's a lot easier to edit something thats already there than to start over from scratch. Try doing some legitimate editing instead. By the way, The "Tone" You refer to is from input from other posters. Don't assume that the entire article is made of only my contributions (Which are few). I didn't make any of those "X is similar to Y " comments you list and are not My conclusions. Girloveswaffles
@ Wnt: Here here! That's what I'm trying to get across. Some of the information may need to be removed or edited, (I've done some myself) but removing all the information is in excess. I have recommended repeatedly that if necessary, specific parts should be edited / deleted, he should do so. But tenpoundhammer doesn't want to do so (and he has admitted he has only seen a few episodes). I'd edit the section some myself, but I'm wasting to much time undoing his deletions, and refuttiating his erroneous claims against me. He is the one that wants to continue an edit war.
And he's done it again, but this time he also deleted one of the main characters as well (Octocat). Girloveswaffles — Preceding unsigned comment added by Girloveswaffles ( talk • contribs) 21:07, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
The one-shots can easily be mentioned in their respective episodes, but only if they're relevant to the plot (for instance, Aperitif), but the episode plot summaries as they stand are kind of long and overly-detailed themselves. The article as a whole needs a major rewrite to be more encyclopedic and less heavy on the fancruft. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ( Otters want attention) 22:12, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
Needs a rewrite in YOUR opinion. And once again, get your information right. Pinnians, Whirrles, Crocowolves, Kangerkoons, and others show up in Multiple (As in more than one Episode (and not just in the background)) as well And Whirrles play major parts in two episodes as well as being part of other episodes. Watch more episodes and get your info right. I at least have seen every episode, and have copies of each. And "To the end of the list" is just Vague. What are you going to delete next? Air dates? All Characters that aren't Peri And Entree? Cast listing? Everything? Quit being a Wiki-Troll. It's apparent your not interested in contributing, just in having it all your way. — Preceding
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Getting back to Spliced, In the episode Bowled Over: Does anyone know who played the bowling instructor in the black and white film Entree and Peri watch after discovering the Bowling Alley? It's not in the credits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Girloveswaffles ( talk • contribs) 09:34, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
why are the minor characters of spliced excluded, whether or not they are not prominent does not make a difference. they still belong to the cartoon series. Seriously i thought wikipedia is about gathering information, i know that there is a lot of information and that some of the details could be freed up due to he wikias, but this is rediculous.
It is very annoying when people try to get rid of information because they think it is redundant, with that sort of thinking, they'd most likely leave every television cartoon article would be reduced to a single paragraph. It was already bad enough to delete the Space pirate article in the Metroid series, as well as the list of digimon by rank. Im just sick of the loss of information. 60.231.118.190 ( talk) 03:49, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
i don't see the problem with the inclusion of the minor characters, it will only be on that one article anyway and would not make a difference. sorry, forgot to add signiture Sclera2 ( talk) 04:16, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
the minor characters is short anyway, its only short paragraphs for each character, i guess another solution that is possible would be to do full-detailed episode summaries, but that would be larger than the minor characters Sclera2 ( talk) 10:01, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
wait a min, why can't someone just make another article be created featuring the minor characters: Characters in the Spliced series. Theres an article about the characters in "Reboot" did it, "halo" also has an article.
P.S. i though that wikipedia is for people searching for information that they need. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sclera2 ( talk • contribs) 11:52, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
it sucks that i was only able to find the names of the short episodes on youtube. Its a shame, that we can't cast this as a vote, that would solve the issue quickly and lay it to rest Sclera2 ( talk) 12:12, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
i didn't say it was for fansite material and what you say is relevent is just your personal opinion, im sure that there are more people that would disagree. And i wasn't saying that we put in every character that has made a small appearance, maybe just characters like Octocat Sclera2 ( talk) 02:45, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
Just to revisit the 3O I had left above, please review the television section of the Manual of Style. That is not anyone's individual opinion, it is a guide on how articles should be written, and it is specifically clear on this point. A Wikipedia article is meant to be an overview, not a detailed accounting. We do not list every character of a series for the same reasons that we do not list every detail of a person's life in a biography. The article should be written so that someone who is unfamiliar with the show can gain a general understanding of it, not to replace the experience of actually watching it. TPH is correct regarding the inclusion of too many details. Wikipedia is not the place to write everything there is to know about a subject. Jim Miller See me | Touch me 13:41, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't we re-add the "!" in the "Spliced" title, as I've already contacted Nelvana about it and recieved a reply saying there is officially an exclamation in the title of the show. I don't have a copy of the e-mail any longer but even so, who would believe me? TenPoundHammer, seeing as it was you who changed it (and no I'm not picking on you) would you like to ask Nelvana? ^.^ AnimatedZebra ( talk) 11:53, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
The listed air dates in the episodes table at this article are a real problem – three different countries are listed (Canada, the U.S., and the UK), and currently the article doesn't indicate that all of the episodes actually aired in any of the three! Worse, the air dates are completely unverified. U.S. air dates – different from the air dates listed here – are included at TV Guide ( [3]), but it's another weird case where, for some reason, TV Guide only displays half of the episodes (and I've never figured out how to get the TV Guide website to list the other half!)... OK, it looks like Amazon lists all the U.S.(?) airdates ( [4]) – though with a different "premiere date" than TV Guide(!) – so that's a start.
But I have no idea what to do about the Canadian or the UK air dates, or whether the U.S. or UK airdates should even be listed here. (I'd be inclined to remove the U.S. air dates, at least, but those may be the only air dates that are sourceable! So maybe the UK air dates should go instead?...)
Anyway, pinging Geraldo Perez to this discussion to see if he has any suggestions... -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 15:57, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
@ Geraldo Perez: There's a problem – when I tried to source these to Amazon, the Amazon link in the ref came up on the Blacklist (and won't let me add it)... Any suggestions here? I have little doubt about the correctness of the Amazon air dates (and episode titles), but it's a problem if I can't explicitly source to Amazon. -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 17:51, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
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In Australia, the ABC3 Channel, EPG and the TV Week magazine all display the title of the show "Spliced!" with an exclamation at the end. Since the wikipedia page doesn't include it, I contacted the Nelvana website to ask them officially what the title actually is and in response, they said "...to confirm the name, the shows' name is with an exclamation "Spliced!"
So I shall now add the missing exclamations to the page so it's correct but I do still have the response email from Nelvana, if I need to show proof or something.
AnimatedZebra ( talk) 08:54, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
The user, 189.128.32.131, has tampered with the information of the show, Spliced!, by entering random people as the creditors for the shows, rather than the people who actually worked on it. Here's the correct version of the credits. Apparently, it's too late to simply undo the mass amount of edits this person has done. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trosmando ( talk • contribs) 02:05, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Platypus Kung Fu —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.246.161.130 ( talk) 03:51, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
Please read WP:IINFO. There's no need to list every one-shot character in the series — it's an excessive amount of detail that's of interest only to fans. I'm a fan of the show myself and I wish there were a more available outlet to see it in the US, but I'm not going to turn this into the Spliced wiki. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ( Otters want attention) 20:43, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
There is no reason to remove an entire section because some of listed characters are only one shots. Many of the minor characters are reoccurring (i.e the Wunny Sharbit, Sid) there is also information about people who have done guest apperinces doing voice work of these characters. If you feel that some of the information is wrong, correct it, but don't remove the work of others because you personal don' like the minor characters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Girloveswaffles ( talk • contribs) 08:33, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
It was not a question of weather or not you liked the show, but of not deleting a complete section because you don't like the minor character section. Removing a complete section of other people(s) input is tantamount to vandalism. once again, if you feel some of the information is wrong, correct it. But don't delete a complete area of a topic just for your own preferences. once again may I remind you, some of these "Minor" characters are reoccurring, and there are links and information about voice actors in this section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Girloveswaffles ( talk • contribs) 20:35, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
You've stated no valid reason to remove the information other than your own opinion that it's not necessary. That's a preference. If you don't think the information is important, skip over it. It's not up to you whose input should be listed, other than errors that need to be corrected. And why did you feel it necessary to edit my talk? Are you trying to keep people from seeing my posts? Knock it off. I didn't edit any of your posts.
I've listed why many do have importance of why they should be listed.
That's a lot more information on an episode than what Titan T.V or T.V.) Give you (and in the case of the later, none.). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Girloveswaffles ( talk • contribs) 10:03, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
Response to third opinion request: |
Thank you for requesting a third opinion in this discussion. I have read the article and the discussion above. The guidelines relating to list inclusion are purposefully vague on what things do and do not belong in lists. There is more specific advice available in the Manual of Style specifically regarding television shows and character listings. It says "Not every fictional character ever created deserves to be listed..." and further recommends that the main articles on a serires should be divded into "Main cast" and "Recurring characters" sections. It is my opinion that including one-time characters is excessive and unnecessary to the article. Not being familiar with the show itself, I cannot comment on which characters actually qualify as recurring. I would recommend you continue the discussion here on the talk page and reach a consensus on which characters who have appeared in more than one episode are actually going to contribute to the reader's understanding of the show. There may be some characters who have appeared more than once whose inclusion in the list will not add anything for a reader who has not seen the program. I would also note that it is preferable, although not required, to have some non-primary reliable sources regarding all of the characters in the list. While notability does not restrict article content, things that are likely to be challenged (such as the importance of a particular character to the overall series) should be sourced. The ability of a casual reader to understand the subject is the primary concern in an article. Too much detail should be left to fansites and other wikis.— Jim Miller See me | Touch me 14:30, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
If you've only seen a few episodes then you obviously don't know that Sid, The Wunny Sharbit, Molsters and others show up in multiple episodes, and that Whirles, Crocowolves, Claw-o-patra and others. are mentioned by name in many episodes. And mentioning a character in a summary is not the same as a description or history. And the idea of listing this information is for people like you that haven't (or can't) see all the episodes, and Fuzzy and Compuhorse show up in less in the show than some of the "Minor" Character.. If a character mentioned such as, say, a "Batdrill" isn't valid, then remove or edit it. But don't delete a mass section of the article because YOU don't think the information is needed. A real problem I do have with the list is that it's not alphabetized. I'd like to correct that, but I have to waste my time dealing with your "Edits". Go to YouTube and swatch some episodes and learn something. Also, I sourced my information. or did you not read my contributions before you threw out an entire section? By the way, You are removing the input of several people when you do that. Once again, if you feel that some of the character listings are in error, feel free to edit. But removing all of this information is vandalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Girloveswaffles ( talk • contribs)
Better yet, how about you stop re-deleting all of it instead. It's a lot easier to edit something thats already there than to start over from scratch. Try doing some legitimate editing instead. By the way, The "Tone" You refer to is from input from other posters. Don't assume that the entire article is made of only my contributions (Which are few). I didn't make any of those "X is similar to Y " comments you list and are not My conclusions. Girloveswaffles
@ Wnt: Here here! That's what I'm trying to get across. Some of the information may need to be removed or edited, (I've done some myself) but removing all the information is in excess. I have recommended repeatedly that if necessary, specific parts should be edited / deleted, he should do so. But tenpoundhammer doesn't want to do so (and he has admitted he has only seen a few episodes). I'd edit the section some myself, but I'm wasting to much time undoing his deletions, and refuttiating his erroneous claims against me. He is the one that wants to continue an edit war.
And he's done it again, but this time he also deleted one of the main characters as well (Octocat). Girloveswaffles — Preceding unsigned comment added by Girloveswaffles ( talk • contribs) 21:07, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
The one-shots can easily be mentioned in their respective episodes, but only if they're relevant to the plot (for instance, Aperitif), but the episode plot summaries as they stand are kind of long and overly-detailed themselves. The article as a whole needs a major rewrite to be more encyclopedic and less heavy on the fancruft. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ( Otters want attention) 22:12, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
Needs a rewrite in YOUR opinion. And once again, get your information right. Pinnians, Whirrles, Crocowolves, Kangerkoons, and others show up in Multiple (As in more than one Episode (and not just in the background)) as well And Whirrles play major parts in two episodes as well as being part of other episodes. Watch more episodes and get your info right. I at least have seen every episode, and have copies of each. And "To the end of the list" is just Vague. What are you going to delete next? Air dates? All Characters that aren't Peri And Entree? Cast listing? Everything? Quit being a Wiki-Troll. It's apparent your not interested in contributing, just in having it all your way. — Preceding
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Girloveswaffles (
talk •
contribs) 09:10, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Getting back to Spliced, In the episode Bowled Over: Does anyone know who played the bowling instructor in the black and white film Entree and Peri watch after discovering the Bowling Alley? It's not in the credits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Girloveswaffles ( talk • contribs) 09:34, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
why are the minor characters of spliced excluded, whether or not they are not prominent does not make a difference. they still belong to the cartoon series. Seriously i thought wikipedia is about gathering information, i know that there is a lot of information and that some of the details could be freed up due to he wikias, but this is rediculous.
It is very annoying when people try to get rid of information because they think it is redundant, with that sort of thinking, they'd most likely leave every television cartoon article would be reduced to a single paragraph. It was already bad enough to delete the Space pirate article in the Metroid series, as well as the list of digimon by rank. Im just sick of the loss of information. 60.231.118.190 ( talk) 03:49, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
i don't see the problem with the inclusion of the minor characters, it will only be on that one article anyway and would not make a difference. sorry, forgot to add signiture Sclera2 ( talk) 04:16, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
the minor characters is short anyway, its only short paragraphs for each character, i guess another solution that is possible would be to do full-detailed episode summaries, but that would be larger than the minor characters Sclera2 ( talk) 10:01, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
wait a min, why can't someone just make another article be created featuring the minor characters: Characters in the Spliced series. Theres an article about the characters in "Reboot" did it, "halo" also has an article.
P.S. i though that wikipedia is for people searching for information that they need. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sclera2 ( talk • contribs) 11:52, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
it sucks that i was only able to find the names of the short episodes on youtube. Its a shame, that we can't cast this as a vote, that would solve the issue quickly and lay it to rest Sclera2 ( talk) 12:12, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
i didn't say it was for fansite material and what you say is relevent is just your personal opinion, im sure that there are more people that would disagree. And i wasn't saying that we put in every character that has made a small appearance, maybe just characters like Octocat Sclera2 ( talk) 02:45, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
Just to revisit the 3O I had left above, please review the television section of the Manual of Style. That is not anyone's individual opinion, it is a guide on how articles should be written, and it is specifically clear on this point. A Wikipedia article is meant to be an overview, not a detailed accounting. We do not list every character of a series for the same reasons that we do not list every detail of a person's life in a biography. The article should be written so that someone who is unfamiliar with the show can gain a general understanding of it, not to replace the experience of actually watching it. TPH is correct regarding the inclusion of too many details. Wikipedia is not the place to write everything there is to know about a subject. Jim Miller See me | Touch me 13:41, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't we re-add the "!" in the "Spliced" title, as I've already contacted Nelvana about it and recieved a reply saying there is officially an exclamation in the title of the show. I don't have a copy of the e-mail any longer but even so, who would believe me? TenPoundHammer, seeing as it was you who changed it (and no I'm not picking on you) would you like to ask Nelvana? ^.^ AnimatedZebra ( talk) 11:53, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
The listed air dates in the episodes table at this article are a real problem – three different countries are listed (Canada, the U.S., and the UK), and currently the article doesn't indicate that all of the episodes actually aired in any of the three! Worse, the air dates are completely unverified. U.S. air dates – different from the air dates listed here – are included at TV Guide ( [3]), but it's another weird case where, for some reason, TV Guide only displays half of the episodes (and I've never figured out how to get the TV Guide website to list the other half!)... OK, it looks like Amazon lists all the U.S.(?) airdates ( [4]) – though with a different "premiere date" than TV Guide(!) – so that's a start.
But I have no idea what to do about the Canadian or the UK air dates, or whether the U.S. or UK airdates should even be listed here. (I'd be inclined to remove the U.S. air dates, at least, but those may be the only air dates that are sourceable! So maybe the UK air dates should go instead?...)
Anyway, pinging Geraldo Perez to this discussion to see if he has any suggestions... -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 15:57, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
@ Geraldo Perez: There's a problem – when I tried to source these to Amazon, the Amazon link in the ref came up on the Blacklist (and won't let me add it)... Any suggestions here? I have little doubt about the correctness of the Amazon air dates (and episode titles), but it's a problem if I can't explicitly source to Amazon. -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 17:51, 6 September 2018 (UTC)