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has complained that the reception section is too biased. While that's understandable given the mostly negative opinions there, I havn't seen any of the postive reviews he mentions (except Brandon Thomas on Newsarama which I plan to impliment - Have implimented). That fact is that some things are notable for being bad and I think OMD is one of them. The info I have added so far is sourced, and I welcome anybody to give links to any postive reviews here so I can impliment them.
Paul
730 02:30, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
And since when was it really necessary to spend an entire paragraph citing in detail the flaws IGN found with it? This isn't done for any normal story! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.119.223 ( talk) 11:42, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Given that "all previous comics count" except for married-life details, has there been official word on whether May still knows Peter is Spider-Man? -- 75.161.84.72 ( talk) 06:42, 7 January 2008 (UTC)do
So far, she seems oblivious to this. Tony Stark and the Avengers do recall Spidey being an Avenger and having unmasked, but thanks to Mephisto, they can't recall who he really was. Harry Osborn, if I recall, had amnesia following his early adventures as the second Goblin, so it appears that he doesn't know who Spidey is either.
I corrected some spelling errors, and broke up several of the long, run-on paragraphs. I also removed a sentence here or there, but didn't do too much of that. I do think that the article sub-sections (especially in the "Reception" section) are far too long and overly detailed. This should be an encyclopedia article, not a review for Newsrama or Wizard. Encyclopedia readers don't need to know every last detail about how everyone at IGN hates this arc or turn of events. It's also not the place for readers to battle out whether OMD is a good or bad thing. The article is supposed to have a NPOV. Jack Brooks ( talk) 17:11, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
I trimmed more out of the Reception section, and condensed a lot. Jack Brooks ( talk) 18:37, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
It looks good. I only occasionally edit Wiki articles, but my impulse is almost always to condense, summarize, and correct spelling and grammatical errors -- usually not to fix content errors (though in this article's case, I changed the earlier claim that the story's reception had been "universally negative", which I knew was untrue.) I also favor breaking up long paragraphs into multiple shorter ones, only for ease on the eyes. This is a pop-cultural event that will probably end up ranked with "The Clone Saga" in infamy among Spider-fans, and I do think it says something about Marvel Comics' editorial attitudes toward its fan base (= arrogant), so I agree it merits more than just a little stub. I was a lifelong Spider-Man collector in the past, so I have a sentimental interest in the character. But I got interested in the Wiki article because I know fanboys of all types love to meddle with Wiki articles (whether Spider-Man fanboys, Ron Paul fanboys, or whatever the fanboy's passion happens to be), and thought I would make my contribution to keeping the thing more like an encyclopedia article and less like a blog. 65.80.19.13 ( talk) 14:31, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Can I suggest that you include a slightly more detailed explanation as to why the storyline was so controversial in the Reception section? As it stands, it presents an excellent summary of the reaction to the storyline, but why it caused such a fuss is only partially explained, especially in the first paragraph. It's fine for someone already clued-in, but a reader unfamiliar with the universe (e.g. me), is left with only these vague hints. Please understand that I don't mean to sound so critical; you've done a bang-up job of keeping the article grounded amidst the controversy; I just think what it's all about could be a little clearer . All the best, Steve T • C 11:01, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
What page does he appear on? Thanks. -- Scottandrewhutchins ( talk) 16:26, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Any chance of Gwen Stacy appearing now that this happened. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 15:33, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
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What I can do here, is to read over the Quesada interview, and see if there's anything helpful to add. This will probably not happen for the next few hours as I'm currently busy, but maybe a few hours from now I will find some time. BOZ ( talk) 21:31, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
We don't need the "future direction" or "collected editions" sections at all. I have a few mainstream media sources about the story bookmarked from a while back. WesleyDodds ( talk) 03:33, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
What work needs doing to take this to an A?
With all the input we got it was a pretty solid GA and so shouldn't need too much more work to shoot for a higher quality assessment.
The only thing that occurs to me is something BOZ raised: It'd be handy to have some primary references in the plot to indicate what events happened in which issue.
Anything else? ( Emperor ( talk) 16:30, 26 February 2009 (UTC))
Anyway to keep things moving on... any more material?
I found a long commentary from Peter Sanderson and extracted some key bits (although fishing through it you might spot something else:
On reading the conclusion of “One More Day” in Amazing Spider-Man #545, I wasn’t as upset about Peter Parker’s deal with Mephisto as I thought I’d be. Spider-Man is the everyman as superhero, and how would you or I react if the only way to save a loved one’s life was to make a bargain with the devil? Could you justify allowing a loved one to die by refusing to make such a deal?
Moreover, I like the grand, operatic romanticism of Mary Jane’s speech to Peter that not even the devil can destroy their love for one another, and that even if he makes them forget what they meant to each other, they will inevitably be reunited. It puts me in mind of the 2004 film Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, or stories about reincarnated lovers reunited, from Hawkman to Dark Shadows, which deal with a similar concept.
But still, I remain repulsed by the idea of Spider-Man making a deal with the devil. In his CBR interview Quesada points out that “One More Day” is based on the myth of Faust. Yes, indeed, and the point of Faust and the many variations on it is that making a deal with the devil is always wrong.
...
Therefore, the truly heroic choice for Spider-Man to make may have been to resign himself to letting Aunt May die rather than provide Mephisto with the opportunity to wreak even greater harm.
...
So there is one consequence of Peter and Mary Jane’s satanic bargain that is arguably worse than the death of his elderly aunt: it’s like an abortion via black magic. And just how many lives would Spider-Girl have saved if she existed in the “mainstream” Spider-Man’s reality?
...
Furthermore, to my knowledge, Mephisto has never before demonstrated such power to restructure reality and even resurrect the dead (Harry). But there are plenty of Marvel characters who do, who could have been used to retcon the marriage without morally sullying Peter and Mary Jane’s characters. Over at his online forum, John Byrne has explained how he and writer Howard Mackie would have used the alien Shaper of Worlds to undo the marriage. I find myself leaning towards using the Grandmaster, who has been established as having powers to control time, space, life and death.
The Newsarama link needed adjusting, here it is:
If I find anything else I'll drop it in. ( Emperor ( talk) 03:18, 5 March 2009 (UTC))
i think they should mention how disliked and unpopular this decision was —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.173.55.72 ( talk) 18:43, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
After reading through the shear length of this overwritten article, I checked the sources particularly for the "reception" section. Only a few of the "reviews" or opinions were from credible sources. Most of these quotations are ripped straight from message boards from various forums! All of those poorly sourced opinions and quotations need to be ripped down, the negative and the positive. It's unbalanced, unprofessional, and it smacks of a handful of zealots basically writing up their own opinions on message boards and then copy-pasting their own words right here onto a wikipedia article page. This article needs to be stripped down by someone who is responsible in their methods. I'd do it myself, but I know that whoever posted those slews of message board and forum quotations will simply put them back into the article again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.235.39.213 ( talk) 00:12, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
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An editor
has complained that the reception section is too biased. While that's understandable given the mostly negative opinions there, I havn't seen any of the postive reviews he mentions (except Brandon Thomas on Newsarama which I plan to impliment - Have implimented). That fact is that some things are notable for being bad and I think OMD is one of them. The info I have added so far is sourced, and I welcome anybody to give links to any postive reviews here so I can impliment them.
Paul
730 02:30, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
And since when was it really necessary to spend an entire paragraph citing in detail the flaws IGN found with it? This isn't done for any normal story! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.119.223 ( talk) 11:42, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Given that "all previous comics count" except for married-life details, has there been official word on whether May still knows Peter is Spider-Man? -- 75.161.84.72 ( talk) 06:42, 7 January 2008 (UTC)do
So far, she seems oblivious to this. Tony Stark and the Avengers do recall Spidey being an Avenger and having unmasked, but thanks to Mephisto, they can't recall who he really was. Harry Osborn, if I recall, had amnesia following his early adventures as the second Goblin, so it appears that he doesn't know who Spidey is either.
I corrected some spelling errors, and broke up several of the long, run-on paragraphs. I also removed a sentence here or there, but didn't do too much of that. I do think that the article sub-sections (especially in the "Reception" section) are far too long and overly detailed. This should be an encyclopedia article, not a review for Newsrama or Wizard. Encyclopedia readers don't need to know every last detail about how everyone at IGN hates this arc or turn of events. It's also not the place for readers to battle out whether OMD is a good or bad thing. The article is supposed to have a NPOV. Jack Brooks ( talk) 17:11, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
I trimmed more out of the Reception section, and condensed a lot. Jack Brooks ( talk) 18:37, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
It looks good. I only occasionally edit Wiki articles, but my impulse is almost always to condense, summarize, and correct spelling and grammatical errors -- usually not to fix content errors (though in this article's case, I changed the earlier claim that the story's reception had been "universally negative", which I knew was untrue.) I also favor breaking up long paragraphs into multiple shorter ones, only for ease on the eyes. This is a pop-cultural event that will probably end up ranked with "The Clone Saga" in infamy among Spider-fans, and I do think it says something about Marvel Comics' editorial attitudes toward its fan base (= arrogant), so I agree it merits more than just a little stub. I was a lifelong Spider-Man collector in the past, so I have a sentimental interest in the character. But I got interested in the Wiki article because I know fanboys of all types love to meddle with Wiki articles (whether Spider-Man fanboys, Ron Paul fanboys, or whatever the fanboy's passion happens to be), and thought I would make my contribution to keeping the thing more like an encyclopedia article and less like a blog. 65.80.19.13 ( talk) 14:31, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Can I suggest that you include a slightly more detailed explanation as to why the storyline was so controversial in the Reception section? As it stands, it presents an excellent summary of the reaction to the storyline, but why it caused such a fuss is only partially explained, especially in the first paragraph. It's fine for someone already clued-in, but a reader unfamiliar with the universe (e.g. me), is left with only these vague hints. Please understand that I don't mean to sound so critical; you've done a bang-up job of keeping the article grounded amidst the controversy; I just think what it's all about could be a little clearer . All the best, Steve T • C 11:01, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
What page does he appear on? Thanks. -- Scottandrewhutchins ( talk) 16:26, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Any chance of Gwen Stacy appearing now that this happened. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 15:33, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
This article needs the B-Class checklist filled in to remain a B-Class article for the Comics WikiProject. If the checklist is not filled in by 7th August this article will be re-assessed as C-Class. The checklist should be filled out referencing the guidance given at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment/B-Class criteria. For further details please contact the Comics WikiProject. Comics-awb ( talk) 17:33, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
What I can do here, is to read over the Quesada interview, and see if there's anything helpful to add. This will probably not happen for the next few hours as I'm currently busy, but maybe a few hours from now I will find some time. BOZ ( talk) 21:31, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
We don't need the "future direction" or "collected editions" sections at all. I have a few mainstream media sources about the story bookmarked from a while back. WesleyDodds ( talk) 03:33, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
What work needs doing to take this to an A?
With all the input we got it was a pretty solid GA and so shouldn't need too much more work to shoot for a higher quality assessment.
The only thing that occurs to me is something BOZ raised: It'd be handy to have some primary references in the plot to indicate what events happened in which issue.
Anything else? ( Emperor ( talk) 16:30, 26 February 2009 (UTC))
Anyway to keep things moving on... any more material?
I found a long commentary from Peter Sanderson and extracted some key bits (although fishing through it you might spot something else:
On reading the conclusion of “One More Day” in Amazing Spider-Man #545, I wasn’t as upset about Peter Parker’s deal with Mephisto as I thought I’d be. Spider-Man is the everyman as superhero, and how would you or I react if the only way to save a loved one’s life was to make a bargain with the devil? Could you justify allowing a loved one to die by refusing to make such a deal?
Moreover, I like the grand, operatic romanticism of Mary Jane’s speech to Peter that not even the devil can destroy their love for one another, and that even if he makes them forget what they meant to each other, they will inevitably be reunited. It puts me in mind of the 2004 film Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, or stories about reincarnated lovers reunited, from Hawkman to Dark Shadows, which deal with a similar concept.
But still, I remain repulsed by the idea of Spider-Man making a deal with the devil. In his CBR interview Quesada points out that “One More Day” is based on the myth of Faust. Yes, indeed, and the point of Faust and the many variations on it is that making a deal with the devil is always wrong.
...
Therefore, the truly heroic choice for Spider-Man to make may have been to resign himself to letting Aunt May die rather than provide Mephisto with the opportunity to wreak even greater harm.
...
So there is one consequence of Peter and Mary Jane’s satanic bargain that is arguably worse than the death of his elderly aunt: it’s like an abortion via black magic. And just how many lives would Spider-Girl have saved if she existed in the “mainstream” Spider-Man’s reality?
...
Furthermore, to my knowledge, Mephisto has never before demonstrated such power to restructure reality and even resurrect the dead (Harry). But there are plenty of Marvel characters who do, who could have been used to retcon the marriage without morally sullying Peter and Mary Jane’s characters. Over at his online forum, John Byrne has explained how he and writer Howard Mackie would have used the alien Shaper of Worlds to undo the marriage. I find myself leaning towards using the Grandmaster, who has been established as having powers to control time, space, life and death.
The Newsarama link needed adjusting, here it is:
If I find anything else I'll drop it in. ( Emperor ( talk) 03:18, 5 March 2009 (UTC))
i think they should mention how disliked and unpopular this decision was —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.173.55.72 ( talk) 18:43, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
After reading through the shear length of this overwritten article, I checked the sources particularly for the "reception" section. Only a few of the "reviews" or opinions were from credible sources. Most of these quotations are ripped straight from message boards from various forums! All of those poorly sourced opinions and quotations need to be ripped down, the negative and the positive. It's unbalanced, unprofessional, and it smacks of a handful of zealots basically writing up their own opinions on message boards and then copy-pasting their own words right here onto a wikipedia article page. This article needs to be stripped down by someone who is responsible in their methods. I'd do it myself, but I know that whoever posted those slews of message board and forum quotations will simply put them back into the article again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.235.39.213 ( talk) 00:12, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
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