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Yay, it's out of stub form. I hope to take this article further into B-Class or until there aren't any more references on the internet. Auroranorth 12:40, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Please inform contributor Auroranorth how to add a second 'Request' to TO-DO, above on his user talk page. Auroranorth 13:51, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
What do I need to do to get this article to B-Class? Auroranorth 06:59, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
I have removed a lot of redundant and unnecessary information from the article as it was becoming overloaded with WP:CRUFT. The suburb is a relatively minor one with the City of Lake Macquarie (apart from housing the council offices) and as such does not need to list all of the things (eg. newspapers, state and federal government seats info) which are currently in those separate articles. The suburb does not have air direct services so it makes no sense to list airline information related to nearby Newcastle, New South Wales. — Moondyne 16:42, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't see what benefit timezone information and a map of Australia have on a suburb article, considering Lake Macquarie alone has 90 suburbs, about half of which are Newcastle suburbs, and the City of Newcastle has 56. That information belongs on the Newcastle article IMO. Orderinchaos 13:01, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
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This site contains information from this book which may be useful. About Us link on the site gives history for sailing club.
From my UBD Newcastle (1999):
Main Road
West of suburb - Lake Macquarie Park (history at site)
Orderinchaos 20:15, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
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I think that the article is deserving of a B-Class rating, it covers the topic broadly and has a very solid amount of referencing. Twenty Years 12:38, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Good work. Whats it's screaming out for is some current photos and perhaps a map. Surely that's doable? — Moondyne 09:53, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Might be worth removing the scheduled events, if nothing happens why mention it? seems odd. Twenty Years 09:47, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Might be worth starting a peer review on the article? Maybe a talk archive too? Twenty Years 12:57, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
The following suggestions were generated by a semi-automatic javascript program, and might not be applicable for the article in question.
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Hello all, this article is on the brink of being nominated for GA status, so I thought I'd compare the article with the criteria.
That's all for now! Auroranorth 11:45, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
I have nominated this article at Good article candidates. Orderinchaos 22:36, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
First, I noticed that the article was nominated for GA at the same time as peer review, which is not recommended. It is preferred to seek either FAC, GAN, or PR, separately, so as to avoid confusion among reviewers and editors alike.
My comments here are specifically directed at comparing the article against the Good Article criteria. I did not look specifically at the comments provided on the PR page, though most of them should be taken into account in improving the article.
The article in its present form does not meet the current Good Article criteria, and will not be listed. It fails primarily on account of completeness, as there are significant sections of the article that are missing, and several sections are very short. The lead/intro section is also too short; this section should provide a good summary of the article. See WP:LEAD for information on improving the lead section.
The history section is actually pretty well written, and appears reasonably complete. Although it stops with the closing of the post office in 1976. Did the city just evaporate after that and there's nothing to talk about in the 80s and 90s?
Geography section is too short. It would help to include information on the climate here, and you might want to use the {{ coor dms}} template to provide the latitude & longitude of the city as well. What about a description of the geological features as well? Is the city coastal, or inland? What is the street layout? Where's the center of town?
Industry section is too short. It might be recommended to change the title of this section to 'economy', and discuss some other aspects of the local businesses instead of just the mining industry, which appears to be in decline.
The 'facilities' section seems to contain a lot of separate and unrelated information which should probably be divulged into separate sections. You might want to add a 'sports and recreation' section, or a 'parks and outdoor activities' section, as these would be better places to discuss that. The religion information would be better discussed in the 'demographics' section, since it is essentially demographics. There should also be a section covering the 'culture' of the population (separate from demographics, which is just figures, mainly). How do people interact? Are there any major cultural events and fairs in the town?
The education section might also include a description of some of the libraries or any museums that might be in the town. It is relatively short.
The transportation section is sufficient. Although I am not sure I would say that 74.96% is "significantly higher" than 71.87% ... they seem to both be very close together. Motorcycling and cycling are practically zero, so I am not sure if I'd consider them to be significant other modes of transportation, either. If there are any recreational bike paths in the town, it might be good to include them here.
The 'politics' section just contains some information on the national & regional politics, and no description on local politics. How is this town administered? Who is in charge? What does the local government do? This is not addressed at all in the article. Also, the federal and state election statistics tables really have no context to text in the article, and doesn't really say much about the politics. You could really sum up all those tables into once sentence by stating that, "the majority of the population of Speers Point has supported the Australian Labor Party in the past three elections." or something like that. Consider changing this section to 'government and politics', and add more details on the local government.
Drop the 'achievements' section. It's not an achievement of the city as a whole, and really just the Steel brothers themselves. Move the content here into the history section, possibly. But it does not need it's own main section.
Overall, the article is looking reasonably good. It is well written and I think the information meets the verifiability requirement, for the most part. It just mainly needs work on its organization and completeness before it can be awarded GA status. While the town is relatively "small" by city standards, it might nonetheless be worthwhile to take a look at WP:CITIES, and specifically some of the templates for city articles there, as well as some of the smaller towns that are also current GA & FA class articles.
Hope this helps! Cheers! Dr. Cash 19:24, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
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Speers Point, New South Wales article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
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Speers Point, New South Wales was a Geography and places good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. | |||||||||||||
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Current status: Former good article nominee |
This article is rated B-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||
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To-do list for Speers Point, New South Wales:
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Yay, it's out of stub form. I hope to take this article further into B-Class or until there aren't any more references on the internet. Auroranorth 12:40, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Please inform contributor Auroranorth how to add a second 'Request' to TO-DO, above on his user talk page. Auroranorth 13:51, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
What do I need to do to get this article to B-Class? Auroranorth 06:59, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
I have removed a lot of redundant and unnecessary information from the article as it was becoming overloaded with WP:CRUFT. The suburb is a relatively minor one with the City of Lake Macquarie (apart from housing the council offices) and as such does not need to list all of the things (eg. newspapers, state and federal government seats info) which are currently in those separate articles. The suburb does not have air direct services so it makes no sense to list airline information related to nearby Newcastle, New South Wales. — Moondyne 16:42, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't see what benefit timezone information and a map of Australia have on a suburb article, considering Lake Macquarie alone has 90 suburbs, about half of which are Newcastle suburbs, and the City of Newcastle has 56. That information belongs on the Newcastle article IMO. Orderinchaos 13:01, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
The following suggestions were generated by a semi-automatic javascript program, and might not be applicable for the article in question.
You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, Auroranorth 07:51, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
We can model this article on the following articles (feel free to add)
Sections used:
Tools we can use:
Auroranorth 14:46, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
This site contains information from this book which may be useful. About Us link on the site gives history for sailing club.
From my UBD Newcastle (1999):
Main Road
West of suburb - Lake Macquarie Park (history at site)
Orderinchaos 20:15, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
The following suggestions were generated by a semi-automatic javascript program, and might not be applicable for the article in question.
You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, Auroranorth 09:01, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
I think that the article is deserving of a B-Class rating, it covers the topic broadly and has a very solid amount of referencing. Twenty Years 12:38, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Good work. Whats it's screaming out for is some current photos and perhaps a map. Surely that's doable? — Moondyne 09:53, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Might be worth removing the scheduled events, if nothing happens why mention it? seems odd. Twenty Years 09:47, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Might be worth starting a peer review on the article? Maybe a talk archive too? Twenty Years 12:57, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
The following suggestions were generated by a semi-automatic javascript program, and might not be applicable for the article in question.
You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, Auroranorth 14:07, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello all, this article is on the brink of being nominated for GA status, so I thought I'd compare the article with the criteria.
That's all for now! Auroranorth 11:45, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
I have nominated this article at Good article candidates. Orderinchaos 22:36, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
First, I noticed that the article was nominated for GA at the same time as peer review, which is not recommended. It is preferred to seek either FAC, GAN, or PR, separately, so as to avoid confusion among reviewers and editors alike.
My comments here are specifically directed at comparing the article against the Good Article criteria. I did not look specifically at the comments provided on the PR page, though most of them should be taken into account in improving the article.
The article in its present form does not meet the current Good Article criteria, and will not be listed. It fails primarily on account of completeness, as there are significant sections of the article that are missing, and several sections are very short. The lead/intro section is also too short; this section should provide a good summary of the article. See WP:LEAD for information on improving the lead section.
The history section is actually pretty well written, and appears reasonably complete. Although it stops with the closing of the post office in 1976. Did the city just evaporate after that and there's nothing to talk about in the 80s and 90s?
Geography section is too short. It would help to include information on the climate here, and you might want to use the {{ coor dms}} template to provide the latitude & longitude of the city as well. What about a description of the geological features as well? Is the city coastal, or inland? What is the street layout? Where's the center of town?
Industry section is too short. It might be recommended to change the title of this section to 'economy', and discuss some other aspects of the local businesses instead of just the mining industry, which appears to be in decline.
The 'facilities' section seems to contain a lot of separate and unrelated information which should probably be divulged into separate sections. You might want to add a 'sports and recreation' section, or a 'parks and outdoor activities' section, as these would be better places to discuss that. The religion information would be better discussed in the 'demographics' section, since it is essentially demographics. There should also be a section covering the 'culture' of the population (separate from demographics, which is just figures, mainly). How do people interact? Are there any major cultural events and fairs in the town?
The education section might also include a description of some of the libraries or any museums that might be in the town. It is relatively short.
The transportation section is sufficient. Although I am not sure I would say that 74.96% is "significantly higher" than 71.87% ... they seem to both be very close together. Motorcycling and cycling are practically zero, so I am not sure if I'd consider them to be significant other modes of transportation, either. If there are any recreational bike paths in the town, it might be good to include them here.
The 'politics' section just contains some information on the national & regional politics, and no description on local politics. How is this town administered? Who is in charge? What does the local government do? This is not addressed at all in the article. Also, the federal and state election statistics tables really have no context to text in the article, and doesn't really say much about the politics. You could really sum up all those tables into once sentence by stating that, "the majority of the population of Speers Point has supported the Australian Labor Party in the past three elections." or something like that. Consider changing this section to 'government and politics', and add more details on the local government.
Drop the 'achievements' section. It's not an achievement of the city as a whole, and really just the Steel brothers themselves. Move the content here into the history section, possibly. But it does not need it's own main section.
Overall, the article is looking reasonably good. It is well written and I think the information meets the verifiability requirement, for the most part. It just mainly needs work on its organization and completeness before it can be awarded GA status. While the town is relatively "small" by city standards, it might nonetheless be worthwhile to take a look at WP:CITIES, and specifically some of the templates for city articles there, as well as some of the smaller towns that are also current GA & FA class articles.
Hope this helps! Cheers! Dr. Cash 19:24, 20 October 2007 (UTC)