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The chart about speed limits is not accurate and does not have sources. The Insurance Institue for highay safety presents a chart with this information at http://www.iihs.org/laws/state_laws/speed_limit_laws.html
Kentucky is now 70mph. Just wanted to throw that in. Thelatchkeykid 15:36, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Please note that the photos of Texas roads in the Environmental Speed Limit section are not meant to illustrate anything about traffic conditions. They are just to show that the speed limit signs were changed. Nothing more, nothing less. Novasource 16:15, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA021906.02B.Then_Now_speed.2e2ef60.html
Looks like TX will not get the 80 mph zones now.
The Delaware section contains content that contradicts stuff in the summary table above. Which is correct? Nova SS 03:57, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
The signs are beautifully done svg but are somewhat unrepresenative of what is seen in practice. 80 mph and night limits are Texas (and then only part of it) only. Could they be replaced with a "median" sign showing a typical speed limit, so that the article reflects it's scope better. I would suggest a 65 mph sign on its own (but a little larger than now). A 55 mph sign could be placed in the Federal speed limit controls section to provide visual interest to that section. Softgrow 04:55, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
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On 23 May, 2006 Senator Hillary Clinton in a speech to the National Press Club on energy policy called for the reinstatement of the 55 mph national Maximum Speed limit in "most of the country" in an effort to slash fuel consumption [5]. Governor Jon Corzine of New Jersey has called for a 55 mph speed limit in New Jersey as well as Self Serve Gasoline which is illegal also in Oregon.
Heh, so they want to enact something that will bring about maybe a 20% improvement in fuel economy at best, but are quiet on the idea of improving actual vehicle efficiency standards (which could mean 50% or more with the thirstiest types, regardless of speed)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.180.56 ( talk) 14:14, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I have found 2 photos of speed limit signs being changed to 55 in 1974 (one is from the Fed highway Admin sight and another is from some university sight. I would like to see some more photos and have them added to this section.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.80.201.142 ( talk • contribs) 21:12, 1 June 2006 .
Those are the only two photos I also found of signs in 1974 being replaced. I hope somebody may have some more to contribute.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Enigma229 ( talk • contribs) 11:30, 3 June 2006 .
I created a graphic of a Montana SL sign from this period and added it into the Montana section this afternoon. Enigma229 04:18, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
New Jersey's average population density is about 1000 people per sq mile and driving in the state I found many interstates posted at 65mph. I changed the data in the chart for NJ Urban Interstate limits from 55 to 55, 65. Enigma229 04:18, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
While the chart says the maximum speed limit in Missouri for a 4 lane rural highway is 65 MPH, in fact US-54 between Jefferson City in the West and Mexico, MO in the east is signed 70 MPH (except in Kingdom City) dispite being mostly 4 lane divided and portions not quite up to interstate standards. (Mostly unprotected access, but also a very unsafe exit left at southbound US-54 onto 54 Bussiness at Fulton) Jon 21:53, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
The chart says that these roads are posted at 65 mph. This can't be true. Can anybody verify this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enigma229 ( talk • contribs) 23:08, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
I lived in VA from 1995-1999, and NEVER saw a two-lane highway posted higher than 55. In fact, I'm pretty certain that the statutory limit for such roads IS 55, and I believe that it has been such since even before the 1974 Federal mandate. 72.151.152.162 ( talk) 00:00, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Are they really enforced, or is it just one of those obsolete law no longer enforced but not removed? I would think the state troopers would something more important to do than pull over vechicles driving 75 MPH as the sun sets on the rural expressways. Jon 18:35, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
For residential roads, it's generally belived that minimum speed limits are an enforcement tool against sometime trying to "case out" the neighborhood; e.g. look to see who is obviously gone for the purpose of robbing them later. Jon 18:43, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
For other purposes, it's mostly there as an advisory; if your car is unable to go at least that speed, your vechicle would be a major traffic obstruction for that road and so you should take another route. (In many expressways merely going 5 MPH before the max speed limit for the automobiles is just asking to be rear ended.) Jon 18:43, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
In Arizona there are 3 categories of speed limit for controlled access freeways:
Urban: 55mph Suburban: 65mph Rural: 75mph
For instance: In Central Phoenix the speed limit is 55mph (everyone goes 75 or 80 though :p) -- about 6 miles outside of downtown, it goes up to 65... And then as soon as you get out of the city it jumps back up to 75 (where everyone proceeds to drive about 90).
I've added 65mph as "65suburban" under "Freeway (urban)"
I know it might be kinda questionable ... But it'd be kinda nice to have a category saying something like "Speed people actually drive" ... In other words: a De Jure and De Facto column
Also:
The majority of freeways in the Phoenix metro area aren't interstates most technically... They're state roads. (AZ Loop 101, 202, (eventually) Loop 303, AZ-51... US 60)
Didn't the rural interstate speed limit use to be 80 in Arizona? I remember going a few years back and seeing 80. I went last summer and it was down to 75. The only reference to 80 mph speed limits is in West Texas. -- Holderca1 19:41, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
The interstate urban column is full of misinformation. There is a major difference between a state (and or city) which codifies into law a maximum speed limit in densely populated areas and a road commission setting a speed limit lower than the maximum for safety (or other) reasons. Only the former should be listed. In fact seeing as very few states have this "urban" speed limit in law, I feel almost this entire column is purely speculation based on seeing a few choice speed limits in urban settings. -- KelleyCook 21:42, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I live in Shelby County, TN, where the County Commission and TDOT recently reduced several miles of freeway from 70 to 65 for cars and to 55 for trucks in an effort to reduce auto emissions. This new zoning is well within the Memphis metropolitan area and city limits, therefore the URBAN Interstate limit is actually for cars 55-65, and trucks 55. I can tell you that, despite draconian attempts to enforce the new "environmentally friendly" limits, average speeds are still exceeding 70 for all vehicles. It's not that the resources aren't there (this area is heavily patrolled); it's just not being enforced. This is a ridiculous attempt to mirror Houston's disastrous experience.
On the bright side, there is a bill in the Legislature worth noting (SB 3713, with it's companion House bill 3851) which was tabled this year, but will be brought up again in 2007. This bill will require that TDOT, except in cases of "special hazard zones", must comply with the 85th percentile rule. While TN has a statutory maximum limit of 65 on two-lane rural highways, TDOT has been unwilling to raise those limits. This bill may force them to take another look.
I also lived in North Carolina for a while (1999-2000), and at that point, rural expressways were often posted at 65 for all vehicles (by expressways, I mean divided highways with non-controlled access). This category should be 55-65 for NC, unless the law has changed.
Per Oklahoma, if I remember from my travels through there, some (or maybe all) of their rural divided, non-controlled access roads are posted at 70.
As to Virginia, I lived there as well, and have NEVER seen a two-lane highway posted at 65. They are all 55, and I know of no exceptions (in agreement with the comment above about VA). [unknown anon editor]
Please note the following from date guidance from Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers).:
The linked dates provide absolutely nothing of significance that helps the reader understand the article. Therefore, they should not be linked.
Nova SS 20:21, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
If a date includes both a month and a day, then the date should normally be linked in order to allow readers' date preferences to work, displaying the reader's chosen format. The day and the month should be linked together, and the year should be linked separately if present.
It seemed that 90% of recent edits were in the previously small National 55 mph section. I created a new article named National Maximum Speed Law. Ya'll have at it. -- KelleyCook 20:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
In the Southwest United States, what is deemed as driving below the minimum speed limit would pertain to immigrants - primarily Hispanics. In Mexico (incl. Europe, Asia, and Third World nations), the speed limit is measured using the metric system (KPH) and there is a usual rash of those who cannot know the difference between 55 MPH vs. 55 KPH. One that is doing 55 KPH on the highway is actually driving 35 MPH.
Not every speed limit sign is translated into 2 languages these days - some suggest the spending of taxpayer $$$ for an education campaign. 4.230.54.9 08:28, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I know there is an old joke about interstates in Hawaii, but it actually does not have highways that are even called interstates. Therefore, the highest speed limit of 60 is really not an anomoly at all (see mention of this in the introduction). Hawaii has three major highways, all on Oahu, designed similarly to interestates--they are called H-1, H-2, and H-3 (not I-#). This was all true as of last time I was there anyway... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 137.113.48.2 ( talk) 18:14, 24 January 2007 (UTC).
I have never seen one... is there a certain area of the U.S. in which they are used? A recent edit changed "not common" to "not used in the continental United States". Does that mean maybe Hawaii uses them? I'm very curious, and I'm sure the readers are too, about where they are used. -- Shadowlink1014 07:00, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I reverted the May 3 revision to the speed limit chart.
It is rare now to find a state that treats true limited access roads differently just because they have different designations. Therefore, it is kind of meaningless to change "4 lane (rural)" to "other limited access"--by doing that, you're going to have the same number in those two columns in most states.
Also, "2 lane (rural)" was really meant to be that way. Only Texas doesn't treat 2 lane rural roads differently.
Finally, the mass revision had errors. E.g., California has no 75 mph roads, Arizona does not max out "other limited access roads" to 55 mph, New Mexico generally does not have 75 mph urban interstates, etc.
68.95.137.150 23:13, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
New Jersey was previously listing as 65 MPH rural; 65, 55 urban. This was the only state with multiple urban limits listed in which the highest duplicated the rural, so I've changed it to 55 urban. Undoughtingly, there is a dispute over weather portions of the 65 MPH zone in New Jersey are urban or rural in nature between the NJ highway department (or whoever is responsible for setting the speed limits in NJ) and the editor who attached 65 to the urban. Jon 14:01, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
The color coded map of the states needs to be updated. Kentucky's color needs to be changed, as it now has 70 mph speed limits, but is still colored as if 65 were still the highest there.
I'm surprised that they changed the limit so quickly. I had originally added that it was due to be changed, but it sounded like it would take a while. Sure enough, this link shows the new signage being installed. Just in case anyone was curious.-- Analogue Kid 17:23, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Tennessee's colors need to be changed to reflect the 65 mph interstate environmental speed limits referenced in your text (like what you've done for Texas). Also, Has I-85 in Virginia gone to 70 yet? Can't find any info on this, but you have it colored so. FYI- As to Minimum Speed Limits, Tennessee has a LEFT LANE minimum law on its Interstate system of 55 mph.
Could someone translate the following into English please. Florida: "60 CR 74 In Glades County, Generally 55 Elsewhere". My understanding is that the limit is 60mph under some circumstances and 55mph elsewhere. Glades county is some region, but what on earth does "CR 74" mean. When someone edits the article, at the same time could they fix the excessive capitalisation in this sentence. -- SGBailey 13:25, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
This link is broken. More recent research puts the fault of the critical reason of the crash on the passenger vehicle driver in 55% of truck-passenger vehicle crashes. See the Large Truck Crash Causation Study (LTCCS) for more information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bravo25 ( talk • contribs) 19:10, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
I propose a section that deals with speed limits in the United States prior to the enactment of the National Maximum Speed Limit in early 1974. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.228.17.141 ( talk) 16:05, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
The mention of Akron minimum speed limits are incorrect/incomplete. I have certainly seen 40mph minimum speed limits there, I think in a 55mph maximum limit zone. 198.30.80.11 ( talk) 18:50, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Here We Go Again...
Check out the following website. I knew this was coming. Just a matter of time. Probably time to go out and find a good radar detector. I'm NOT going to drive the Double Nickel again. http://www.drive55.org/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.237.199.147 ( talk) 04:58, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Check out the following website. I knew this was coming. Just a matter of time. Probably time to go out and find a good radar detector. I'm NOT going to drive the Double Nickel again, and neither is anyone else. We've got to stop these people. http://www.drive55.org/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hwyhawg ( talk • contribs) 05:05, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
We need to be careful using the word "posted."
"Posted" is not the same as "in effect." It merely means signs are erected. E.g., "posted speed limit" means the speed limit indicated by a sign.
Speed limits do not need posting (signs) to be effective. For example, many states have statutory speed limits are effective unless otherwise posted.
Only use "posted" in conjunction with "speed limit" if you are literally referring to signs that appear next to the road. If you are referring to a speed limit in a general sense, it is better not to use the word "posted" because you may be implying something about the effective limit that is not true.
Nova SS ( talk) 14:50, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
In St Louis County, recently some electonic variable speed limit signs went up on I-270 covering at least the western leg of I-270 from I-44 to I-70; probably more. It's purpose is to at times lower the offical speed limit below the pre-electonic limit of 60 MPH during heavy traffic and could lower it even below 55 MPH listed as the lowest max speed limit for urban interstates in MO. (In theory it could lower it all the way down to the min speed limit during a major traffic jam). Assuming I find that link to the article on the St Louis Post Dispatch web site, would that be approative or is this article only concerned with the normal max speed limits? Jon ( talk) 18:50, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Does anybody have any news of the 75 mph limit actually being implemented in Texas counties with 15 people per sq mile? Enigma229 04:21, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Enigma229 ( talk • contribs) 11:32, 3 June 2006 .
I see your point. Makes one wonder why they even bothered to include the 75 mph for counties with 15 pl per sq mile in last years bill. :) Enigma229 04:21, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
States tend to use census tract level for this purpose, not the county averages. Depending upon where the population centers are within the counties, it could make a big difference. Jon 18:29, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I came here looking for info on the National Speed limit imposed, what was it, by Carter? For the oil crisis? I think it was repealed 1995ish. Might be worth including as a historical note. Thomas B 17:27, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Excellent suggestion. I remember seeing Nixon's face—must have been in 1972 or 1973—as he told us we would all go 50 mph to save fuel. Less than a month later, at the insistence of Oregon's representatives, 55 mph was adopted. (Oregon had long before determined 55 for economy and safety reasons.) Originally trucks were to go 60, but it was politically undigestable for them to be faster. Sorry I don't have a reference, but maybe it will be easier to find with these tidbits? — EncMstr 17:58, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
The article says: "Most speed-related crashes involve speed too fast for conditions" and has a citation, like this specific claim is validated somewhere. But doesn't the term "speed-related crash" MEAN that driving too fast was part of the reason for the crash? So isn't this a tautology? Is it supposed to mean something else? MrVoluntarist 18:16, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Hm. Good points. Now that you mention it, maybe that passage means, "most speed-related crashes involve speed too fast [as opposed to too slow] for the conditions". Though I strongly doubt that statement is true. Thoughts? MrVoluntarist 01:12, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Should the designation of specific roads in New Mexico be deleted?
Responding to unsigned comment: Section should be condensed and standardized. 75.161.70.53 ( talk) 19:55, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest we get most of the exceptions out of the big speed limit table and move them to each individual section. The table probably should just be a guideline on the typical daytime speed limit in a given state.
Better yet, instead of that big table, should we move to individual color-coded graphics of the US to designate each different type of limit, like what used to be done at Reasonable Drivers Unanimous?
Nova SS ( talk) 22:47, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
The section on prima facie limits makes no sense whatsoever. I can't offer to improve it, since I don't understand what it's saying. — Preceding unsigned comment added by A10brown ( talk • contribs) 16:01, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
What is an urban freeway? There are official definitions and observations and there are personal ones. Most states have separate speed limits for officially designated urban freeways, New Mexico and North Dakota do not. New Mexico does have Interstate standard urban freeways with barriers and left hand emergency lanes and exits approximately every mile ... and they do have reduced speeds, but all of this mileage is in Albuquerque, the state's largest city. Some of this urban freeway mileage is still posted at 75 mph. Other freeways that serve urban, or built up areas in New Mexico but are not designated urban freeways usually have 75 mph limits and the chart should reflect that, it's a unique distinction. It doesn't need explanation as an exception in the chart -there are still three exceptions!- since the reduced speed limits ARE the exception. But for accuracy it should say "65, 75". This link can confirm this [10]. Synchronism ( talk) 17:44, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
The truck speed limit chart ought to be merged with the main chart.
Since truck speed limits are only usually seen on rural freeways, the rural freeways column could be split into two and the truck limit put on the right hand side.
There are some exceptions, but they could be placed below in the state-by-state section.
Novasource ( talk) 02:49, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
I support that. But it might be (too) complicated (for me) to undertake. Synchronism ( talk) 05:01, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
That's very nice. Synchronism ( talk) 04:10, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Where in the statues for TEXAS does it indicate what the NIGHT definition is? It is my understanding they go by day break and sunset times.. however, where does am or pm figure into that equation? I was ticketed at 645am... that is MORNING not NIGHT..... please explain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Schitjian ( talk • contribs) 17:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Road type | Speed Limit | Trucks | |
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Interstate (rural) | 75 | ||
Interstate (urban) | 55-60 | ||
4 lane (rural) | 70 | ||
2 lane (rural) | 65 | ||
County (rural) Paved | 50-65 | 30-65 | |
County (rural) Gravel | 50-55 | 30-55 | |
Residential | 15-25 | ||
School Zones | 15-25 | ||
Surface Streets | 30-40 |
This is the chart I removed from North Dakota's section. It did not really explain anything new or different and actually made the section more confusing in my opinion. It would be neat if editors voluntarily:
Do not create a state specific chart, or any other chart unless it’s verifiable, comprehensive and necessary for quick explanation. Synchronism ( talk) 18:06, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
State or territory | Statutory car speed limit | Statutory truck speed limit |
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Alabama | 70 | 55, only for vehicles carrying hazardous materials |
Arkansas | 70 | 65 |
California | 70 | 55 |
Idaho | 75 | 65 |
Illinois | 65 | 55 |
Indiana | 70 | 65 |
Michigan | 70 | 60 |
Montana | 75 | 65 |
Ohio | 65 | 65 on Ohio Turnpike, 55 on all other freeways. |
Oregon | 70* never implemented, 65 or less still in effect [1] | 5 mph less, effectively 60 [1] although 55 is still posted in most locations |
Puerto Rico | up to 65 | 10 mph less, but not less than 15 |
Texas | 70-80 day/65 night | 70 day/ 65 night |
Texas (Farm-to-Market roads only) | 70 day/65 night | 60 day/ 55 night |
U.S. Virgin Islands | 20,35,55 | 10,30,40 |
Washington | 70 | 60 |
For some reason I can't seem to get both of these charts on the talk page as they previously appeared. Synchronism ( talk) 01:37, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
This is better than before. Synchronism ( talk) 01:38, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Even though this article can only grow to a finite size, it is approaching 100K and splitting may be necessary. I would rather it not be though. It could be trimmed, but I don't think that will significantly reduce its length. How would it be split? Perhaps 4 ways: List of speed limits in the United States, Speed limits in the United States and individual articles for Texas and Montana? Or just a few of those? Something else? Not at all? Synchronism ( talk) 02:05, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
I don't know how to add to the table but the speed limit for residential in Alabama should be 25 mph. Here is cite http://www.dps.alabama.gov/HighwayPatrol/speedlimits.aspx Could someone fix that?? 12.233.12.114 ( talk) 19:57, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't really see any logic in rounding converted values to the nearest ten. It has some merit for making comparison simpler but also makes comparison less straightforward. In the end it's just plain inaccurate; no state currently uses metric speed limits consistently and most of the state laws I've seen make no provisions for their use, let alone describe a method for conversion. Especially where metric limits are never used, the actual converted speed limit should be used. Synchronism ( talk) 07:25, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
On the speed table the LEGAL speed limit in testing phase is 80 MPH in two key sections of interstate 15 in Utah. Therefore a notation is informational in the speed by state table. We do not have to be so anal over our articles that updates cannot be updated because they only involve a total of 34 miles. Have you ever been to Utah? It is a large state. Long distances are common and higher speed limits are favored. So please leave the 80 MPH limit alone in the table. Thanks Staplegunther ( talk)
I'm a bit concerned with how this was written, it seems to me that it was written in an entirely biased manner, treating the opinions of several people as fact. It is my opinion that the section should be written so that it expresses the concerns of some people while maintaining that it is still an opinion. Actually, upon reading some more, I also find that the "Arbitrariness" section to be written with a bias. Neither examples are cited, and they aren't conclusive on their own. The first example mentions a discrepancy on an interstate road between the two states, which doesn't necessarily mean anything without context. The second example is a logical fallacy, it assumes that two lane high ways should have the same limits, regardless of the context of the roads; the lane in Texas which is less maintained could be in a less busy area (hence the lack of need to maintain it as much) and can have a higher speed limit than the "highest standards" roads in Louisiana and Arkansas, which may be in busier areas that require lowered limits. As with the fiscal concern section, I don't think the section should be removed, but simply written (and cited) so that it states the possibility of such an occurrence. Pyrotics ( talk) 13:40, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
In Mid August Governor Quinn signed legislation abandoning separate speed limits for trucks in Illinois, I made a quick edit to the Illinois section, but I am unsure how to edit the table properly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.13.205.72 ( talk) 10:46, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Does any one know if the 55mph signs been removed yet? Synchronism ( talk) 00:57, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
I have seen rural divided highways in Ohio with 60 speed limits, certain sections of U.S. 50 and Ohio 33. That was in 2001. - Jasonc65 ( talk) 00:57, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
I apologize for deleting the SI equivalents. I didn't realize it was part of the Wiki style manual to include them for US speeds, and most of the page entries did not have them. Personally I think the US should have gone Metric decades ago but there should be a consistent style on this.
Just curious, should (and do) the discussions of speed limits in Europe, Canada and other Metric locales have MPH equivalents? 24.13.205.72 ( talk) 01:38, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
We've already discussed the rounding of SI equivalents to the nearest 5 km/h; this question is distinct from that. 1995hoo ( talk) 14:26, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
As to the apparent weirdness of what we used to call the English system, such as the mile being 5,280 feet and the acre being 43,560 square feet, start with the concept of the Furlong and everything falls into place. One advantage of it is that many of the measurements are easily divisible by 2, 3, and 4. Metrics don't divide by 3 very well. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 03:17, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Several articles were split out of this article, such as Speed limits in Mississippi. There was a consensus to not split out any of the by state sections, and even then to do so only to mature (referenced and long) sections. I undid these splits, that were carried out several months ago. In that time there has been no effort to summarize the content removed. Synchronism ( talk) 21:34, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
is probably not the best idea. There are articles on most state highways and all federally numbered roads, such as NM-4 or I-25 in New Mexico. These are the most appropriate places for that kind of information. If you have references for the speed limits of individual roads, consider adding them there. Mentioning of specific roads in this article should generally be confined providing examples and not comprehensive listings. Synchronism ( talk) 21:34, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
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The chart about speed limits is not accurate and does not have sources. The Insurance Institue for highay safety presents a chart with this information at http://www.iihs.org/laws/state_laws/speed_limit_laws.html
Kentucky is now 70mph. Just wanted to throw that in. Thelatchkeykid 15:36, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Please note that the photos of Texas roads in the Environmental Speed Limit section are not meant to illustrate anything about traffic conditions. They are just to show that the speed limit signs were changed. Nothing more, nothing less. Novasource 16:15, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA021906.02B.Then_Now_speed.2e2ef60.html
Looks like TX will not get the 80 mph zones now.
The Delaware section contains content that contradicts stuff in the summary table above. Which is correct? Nova SS 03:57, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
The signs are beautifully done svg but are somewhat unrepresenative of what is seen in practice. 80 mph and night limits are Texas (and then only part of it) only. Could they be replaced with a "median" sign showing a typical speed limit, so that the article reflects it's scope better. I would suggest a 65 mph sign on its own (but a little larger than now). A 55 mph sign could be placed in the Federal speed limit controls section to provide visual interest to that section. Softgrow 04:55, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
The following text has been inserted by two editors and deleted by one (twice):
On 23 May, 2006 Senator Hillary Clinton in a speech to the National Press Club on energy policy called for the reinstatement of the 55 mph national Maximum Speed limit in "most of the country" in an effort to slash fuel consumption [5]. Governor Jon Corzine of New Jersey has called for a 55 mph speed limit in New Jersey as well as Self Serve Gasoline which is illegal also in Oregon.
Heh, so they want to enact something that will bring about maybe a 20% improvement in fuel economy at best, but are quiet on the idea of improving actual vehicle efficiency standards (which could mean 50% or more with the thirstiest types, regardless of speed)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.180.56 ( talk) 14:14, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I have found 2 photos of speed limit signs being changed to 55 in 1974 (one is from the Fed highway Admin sight and another is from some university sight. I would like to see some more photos and have them added to this section.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.80.201.142 ( talk • contribs) 21:12, 1 June 2006 .
Those are the only two photos I also found of signs in 1974 being replaced. I hope somebody may have some more to contribute.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Enigma229 ( talk • contribs) 11:30, 3 June 2006 .
I created a graphic of a Montana SL sign from this period and added it into the Montana section this afternoon. Enigma229 04:18, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
New Jersey's average population density is about 1000 people per sq mile and driving in the state I found many interstates posted at 65mph. I changed the data in the chart for NJ Urban Interstate limits from 55 to 55, 65. Enigma229 04:18, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
While the chart says the maximum speed limit in Missouri for a 4 lane rural highway is 65 MPH, in fact US-54 between Jefferson City in the West and Mexico, MO in the east is signed 70 MPH (except in Kingdom City) dispite being mostly 4 lane divided and portions not quite up to interstate standards. (Mostly unprotected access, but also a very unsafe exit left at southbound US-54 onto 54 Bussiness at Fulton) Jon 21:53, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
The chart says that these roads are posted at 65 mph. This can't be true. Can anybody verify this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enigma229 ( talk • contribs) 23:08, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
I lived in VA from 1995-1999, and NEVER saw a two-lane highway posted higher than 55. In fact, I'm pretty certain that the statutory limit for such roads IS 55, and I believe that it has been such since even before the 1974 Federal mandate. 72.151.152.162 ( talk) 00:00, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Are they really enforced, or is it just one of those obsolete law no longer enforced but not removed? I would think the state troopers would something more important to do than pull over vechicles driving 75 MPH as the sun sets on the rural expressways. Jon 18:35, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
For residential roads, it's generally belived that minimum speed limits are an enforcement tool against sometime trying to "case out" the neighborhood; e.g. look to see who is obviously gone for the purpose of robbing them later. Jon 18:43, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
For other purposes, it's mostly there as an advisory; if your car is unable to go at least that speed, your vechicle would be a major traffic obstruction for that road and so you should take another route. (In many expressways merely going 5 MPH before the max speed limit for the automobiles is just asking to be rear ended.) Jon 18:43, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
In Arizona there are 3 categories of speed limit for controlled access freeways:
Urban: 55mph Suburban: 65mph Rural: 75mph
For instance: In Central Phoenix the speed limit is 55mph (everyone goes 75 or 80 though :p) -- about 6 miles outside of downtown, it goes up to 65... And then as soon as you get out of the city it jumps back up to 75 (where everyone proceeds to drive about 90).
I've added 65mph as "65suburban" under "Freeway (urban)"
I know it might be kinda questionable ... But it'd be kinda nice to have a category saying something like "Speed people actually drive" ... In other words: a De Jure and De Facto column
Also:
The majority of freeways in the Phoenix metro area aren't interstates most technically... They're state roads. (AZ Loop 101, 202, (eventually) Loop 303, AZ-51... US 60)
Didn't the rural interstate speed limit use to be 80 in Arizona? I remember going a few years back and seeing 80. I went last summer and it was down to 75. The only reference to 80 mph speed limits is in West Texas. -- Holderca1 19:41, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
The interstate urban column is full of misinformation. There is a major difference between a state (and or city) which codifies into law a maximum speed limit in densely populated areas and a road commission setting a speed limit lower than the maximum for safety (or other) reasons. Only the former should be listed. In fact seeing as very few states have this "urban" speed limit in law, I feel almost this entire column is purely speculation based on seeing a few choice speed limits in urban settings. -- KelleyCook 21:42, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I live in Shelby County, TN, where the County Commission and TDOT recently reduced several miles of freeway from 70 to 65 for cars and to 55 for trucks in an effort to reduce auto emissions. This new zoning is well within the Memphis metropolitan area and city limits, therefore the URBAN Interstate limit is actually for cars 55-65, and trucks 55. I can tell you that, despite draconian attempts to enforce the new "environmentally friendly" limits, average speeds are still exceeding 70 for all vehicles. It's not that the resources aren't there (this area is heavily patrolled); it's just not being enforced. This is a ridiculous attempt to mirror Houston's disastrous experience.
On the bright side, there is a bill in the Legislature worth noting (SB 3713, with it's companion House bill 3851) which was tabled this year, but will be brought up again in 2007. This bill will require that TDOT, except in cases of "special hazard zones", must comply with the 85th percentile rule. While TN has a statutory maximum limit of 65 on two-lane rural highways, TDOT has been unwilling to raise those limits. This bill may force them to take another look.
I also lived in North Carolina for a while (1999-2000), and at that point, rural expressways were often posted at 65 for all vehicles (by expressways, I mean divided highways with non-controlled access). This category should be 55-65 for NC, unless the law has changed.
Per Oklahoma, if I remember from my travels through there, some (or maybe all) of their rural divided, non-controlled access roads are posted at 70.
As to Virginia, I lived there as well, and have NEVER seen a two-lane highway posted at 65. They are all 55, and I know of no exceptions (in agreement with the comment above about VA). [unknown anon editor]
Please note the following from date guidance from Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers).:
The linked dates provide absolutely nothing of significance that helps the reader understand the article. Therefore, they should not be linked.
Nova SS 20:21, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
If a date includes both a month and a day, then the date should normally be linked in order to allow readers' date preferences to work, displaying the reader's chosen format. The day and the month should be linked together, and the year should be linked separately if present.
It seemed that 90% of recent edits were in the previously small National 55 mph section. I created a new article named National Maximum Speed Law. Ya'll have at it. -- KelleyCook 20:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
In the Southwest United States, what is deemed as driving below the minimum speed limit would pertain to immigrants - primarily Hispanics. In Mexico (incl. Europe, Asia, and Third World nations), the speed limit is measured using the metric system (KPH) and there is a usual rash of those who cannot know the difference between 55 MPH vs. 55 KPH. One that is doing 55 KPH on the highway is actually driving 35 MPH.
Not every speed limit sign is translated into 2 languages these days - some suggest the spending of taxpayer $$$ for an education campaign. 4.230.54.9 08:28, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I know there is an old joke about interstates in Hawaii, but it actually does not have highways that are even called interstates. Therefore, the highest speed limit of 60 is really not an anomoly at all (see mention of this in the introduction). Hawaii has three major highways, all on Oahu, designed similarly to interestates--they are called H-1, H-2, and H-3 (not I-#). This was all true as of last time I was there anyway... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 137.113.48.2 ( talk) 18:14, 24 January 2007 (UTC).
I have never seen one... is there a certain area of the U.S. in which they are used? A recent edit changed "not common" to "not used in the continental United States". Does that mean maybe Hawaii uses them? I'm very curious, and I'm sure the readers are too, about where they are used. -- Shadowlink1014 07:00, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I reverted the May 3 revision to the speed limit chart.
It is rare now to find a state that treats true limited access roads differently just because they have different designations. Therefore, it is kind of meaningless to change "4 lane (rural)" to "other limited access"--by doing that, you're going to have the same number in those two columns in most states.
Also, "2 lane (rural)" was really meant to be that way. Only Texas doesn't treat 2 lane rural roads differently.
Finally, the mass revision had errors. E.g., California has no 75 mph roads, Arizona does not max out "other limited access roads" to 55 mph, New Mexico generally does not have 75 mph urban interstates, etc.
68.95.137.150 23:13, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
New Jersey was previously listing as 65 MPH rural; 65, 55 urban. This was the only state with multiple urban limits listed in which the highest duplicated the rural, so I've changed it to 55 urban. Undoughtingly, there is a dispute over weather portions of the 65 MPH zone in New Jersey are urban or rural in nature between the NJ highway department (or whoever is responsible for setting the speed limits in NJ) and the editor who attached 65 to the urban. Jon 14:01, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
The color coded map of the states needs to be updated. Kentucky's color needs to be changed, as it now has 70 mph speed limits, but is still colored as if 65 were still the highest there.
I'm surprised that they changed the limit so quickly. I had originally added that it was due to be changed, but it sounded like it would take a while. Sure enough, this link shows the new signage being installed. Just in case anyone was curious.-- Analogue Kid 17:23, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Tennessee's colors need to be changed to reflect the 65 mph interstate environmental speed limits referenced in your text (like what you've done for Texas). Also, Has I-85 in Virginia gone to 70 yet? Can't find any info on this, but you have it colored so. FYI- As to Minimum Speed Limits, Tennessee has a LEFT LANE minimum law on its Interstate system of 55 mph.
Could someone translate the following into English please. Florida: "60 CR 74 In Glades County, Generally 55 Elsewhere". My understanding is that the limit is 60mph under some circumstances and 55mph elsewhere. Glades county is some region, but what on earth does "CR 74" mean. When someone edits the article, at the same time could they fix the excessive capitalisation in this sentence. -- SGBailey 13:25, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
This link is broken. More recent research puts the fault of the critical reason of the crash on the passenger vehicle driver in 55% of truck-passenger vehicle crashes. See the Large Truck Crash Causation Study (LTCCS) for more information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bravo25 ( talk • contribs) 19:10, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
I propose a section that deals with speed limits in the United States prior to the enactment of the National Maximum Speed Limit in early 1974. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.228.17.141 ( talk) 16:05, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
The mention of Akron minimum speed limits are incorrect/incomplete. I have certainly seen 40mph minimum speed limits there, I think in a 55mph maximum limit zone. 198.30.80.11 ( talk) 18:50, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Here We Go Again...
Check out the following website. I knew this was coming. Just a matter of time. Probably time to go out and find a good radar detector. I'm NOT going to drive the Double Nickel again. http://www.drive55.org/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.237.199.147 ( talk) 04:58, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Check out the following website. I knew this was coming. Just a matter of time. Probably time to go out and find a good radar detector. I'm NOT going to drive the Double Nickel again, and neither is anyone else. We've got to stop these people. http://www.drive55.org/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hwyhawg ( talk • contribs) 05:05, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
We need to be careful using the word "posted."
"Posted" is not the same as "in effect." It merely means signs are erected. E.g., "posted speed limit" means the speed limit indicated by a sign.
Speed limits do not need posting (signs) to be effective. For example, many states have statutory speed limits are effective unless otherwise posted.
Only use "posted" in conjunction with "speed limit" if you are literally referring to signs that appear next to the road. If you are referring to a speed limit in a general sense, it is better not to use the word "posted" because you may be implying something about the effective limit that is not true.
Nova SS ( talk) 14:50, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
In St Louis County, recently some electonic variable speed limit signs went up on I-270 covering at least the western leg of I-270 from I-44 to I-70; probably more. It's purpose is to at times lower the offical speed limit below the pre-electonic limit of 60 MPH during heavy traffic and could lower it even below 55 MPH listed as the lowest max speed limit for urban interstates in MO. (In theory it could lower it all the way down to the min speed limit during a major traffic jam). Assuming I find that link to the article on the St Louis Post Dispatch web site, would that be approative or is this article only concerned with the normal max speed limits? Jon ( talk) 18:50, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Does anybody have any news of the 75 mph limit actually being implemented in Texas counties with 15 people per sq mile? Enigma229 04:21, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Enigma229 ( talk • contribs) 11:32, 3 June 2006 .
I see your point. Makes one wonder why they even bothered to include the 75 mph for counties with 15 pl per sq mile in last years bill. :) Enigma229 04:21, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
States tend to use census tract level for this purpose, not the county averages. Depending upon where the population centers are within the counties, it could make a big difference. Jon 18:29, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I came here looking for info on the National Speed limit imposed, what was it, by Carter? For the oil crisis? I think it was repealed 1995ish. Might be worth including as a historical note. Thomas B 17:27, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Excellent suggestion. I remember seeing Nixon's face—must have been in 1972 or 1973—as he told us we would all go 50 mph to save fuel. Less than a month later, at the insistence of Oregon's representatives, 55 mph was adopted. (Oregon had long before determined 55 for economy and safety reasons.) Originally trucks were to go 60, but it was politically undigestable for them to be faster. Sorry I don't have a reference, but maybe it will be easier to find with these tidbits? — EncMstr 17:58, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
The article says: "Most speed-related crashes involve speed too fast for conditions" and has a citation, like this specific claim is validated somewhere. But doesn't the term "speed-related crash" MEAN that driving too fast was part of the reason for the crash? So isn't this a tautology? Is it supposed to mean something else? MrVoluntarist 18:16, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Hm. Good points. Now that you mention it, maybe that passage means, "most speed-related crashes involve speed too fast [as opposed to too slow] for the conditions". Though I strongly doubt that statement is true. Thoughts? MrVoluntarist 01:12, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Should the designation of specific roads in New Mexico be deleted?
Responding to unsigned comment: Section should be condensed and standardized. 75.161.70.53 ( talk) 19:55, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest we get most of the exceptions out of the big speed limit table and move them to each individual section. The table probably should just be a guideline on the typical daytime speed limit in a given state.
Better yet, instead of that big table, should we move to individual color-coded graphics of the US to designate each different type of limit, like what used to be done at Reasonable Drivers Unanimous?
Nova SS ( talk) 22:47, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
The section on prima facie limits makes no sense whatsoever. I can't offer to improve it, since I don't understand what it's saying. — Preceding unsigned comment added by A10brown ( talk • contribs) 16:01, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
What is an urban freeway? There are official definitions and observations and there are personal ones. Most states have separate speed limits for officially designated urban freeways, New Mexico and North Dakota do not. New Mexico does have Interstate standard urban freeways with barriers and left hand emergency lanes and exits approximately every mile ... and they do have reduced speeds, but all of this mileage is in Albuquerque, the state's largest city. Some of this urban freeway mileage is still posted at 75 mph. Other freeways that serve urban, or built up areas in New Mexico but are not designated urban freeways usually have 75 mph limits and the chart should reflect that, it's a unique distinction. It doesn't need explanation as an exception in the chart -there are still three exceptions!- since the reduced speed limits ARE the exception. But for accuracy it should say "65, 75". This link can confirm this [10]. Synchronism ( talk) 17:44, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
The truck speed limit chart ought to be merged with the main chart.
Since truck speed limits are only usually seen on rural freeways, the rural freeways column could be split into two and the truck limit put on the right hand side.
There are some exceptions, but they could be placed below in the state-by-state section.
Novasource ( talk) 02:49, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
I support that. But it might be (too) complicated (for me) to undertake. Synchronism ( talk) 05:01, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
That's very nice. Synchronism ( talk) 04:10, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Where in the statues for TEXAS does it indicate what the NIGHT definition is? It is my understanding they go by day break and sunset times.. however, where does am or pm figure into that equation? I was ticketed at 645am... that is MORNING not NIGHT..... please explain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Schitjian ( talk • contribs) 17:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Road type | Speed Limit | Trucks | |
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Interstate (rural) | 75 | ||
Interstate (urban) | 55-60 | ||
4 lane (rural) | 70 | ||
2 lane (rural) | 65 | ||
County (rural) Paved | 50-65 | 30-65 | |
County (rural) Gravel | 50-55 | 30-55 | |
Residential | 15-25 | ||
School Zones | 15-25 | ||
Surface Streets | 30-40 |
This is the chart I removed from North Dakota's section. It did not really explain anything new or different and actually made the section more confusing in my opinion. It would be neat if editors voluntarily:
Do not create a state specific chart, or any other chart unless it’s verifiable, comprehensive and necessary for quick explanation. Synchronism ( talk) 18:06, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
State or territory | Statutory car speed limit | Statutory truck speed limit |
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Alabama | 70 | 55, only for vehicles carrying hazardous materials |
Arkansas | 70 | 65 |
California | 70 | 55 |
Idaho | 75 | 65 |
Illinois | 65 | 55 |
Indiana | 70 | 65 |
Michigan | 70 | 60 |
Montana | 75 | 65 |
Ohio | 65 | 65 on Ohio Turnpike, 55 on all other freeways. |
Oregon | 70* never implemented, 65 or less still in effect [1] | 5 mph less, effectively 60 [1] although 55 is still posted in most locations |
Puerto Rico | up to 65 | 10 mph less, but not less than 15 |
Texas | 70-80 day/65 night | 70 day/ 65 night |
Texas (Farm-to-Market roads only) | 70 day/65 night | 60 day/ 55 night |
U.S. Virgin Islands | 20,35,55 | 10,30,40 |
Washington | 70 | 60 |
For some reason I can't seem to get both of these charts on the talk page as they previously appeared. Synchronism ( talk) 01:37, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
This is better than before. Synchronism ( talk) 01:38, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Even though this article can only grow to a finite size, it is approaching 100K and splitting may be necessary. I would rather it not be though. It could be trimmed, but I don't think that will significantly reduce its length. How would it be split? Perhaps 4 ways: List of speed limits in the United States, Speed limits in the United States and individual articles for Texas and Montana? Or just a few of those? Something else? Not at all? Synchronism ( talk) 02:05, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
I don't know how to add to the table but the speed limit for residential in Alabama should be 25 mph. Here is cite http://www.dps.alabama.gov/HighwayPatrol/speedlimits.aspx Could someone fix that?? 12.233.12.114 ( talk) 19:57, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't really see any logic in rounding converted values to the nearest ten. It has some merit for making comparison simpler but also makes comparison less straightforward. In the end it's just plain inaccurate; no state currently uses metric speed limits consistently and most of the state laws I've seen make no provisions for their use, let alone describe a method for conversion. Especially where metric limits are never used, the actual converted speed limit should be used. Synchronism ( talk) 07:25, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
On the speed table the LEGAL speed limit in testing phase is 80 MPH in two key sections of interstate 15 in Utah. Therefore a notation is informational in the speed by state table. We do not have to be so anal over our articles that updates cannot be updated because they only involve a total of 34 miles. Have you ever been to Utah? It is a large state. Long distances are common and higher speed limits are favored. So please leave the 80 MPH limit alone in the table. Thanks Staplegunther ( talk)
I'm a bit concerned with how this was written, it seems to me that it was written in an entirely biased manner, treating the opinions of several people as fact. It is my opinion that the section should be written so that it expresses the concerns of some people while maintaining that it is still an opinion. Actually, upon reading some more, I also find that the "Arbitrariness" section to be written with a bias. Neither examples are cited, and they aren't conclusive on their own. The first example mentions a discrepancy on an interstate road between the two states, which doesn't necessarily mean anything without context. The second example is a logical fallacy, it assumes that two lane high ways should have the same limits, regardless of the context of the roads; the lane in Texas which is less maintained could be in a less busy area (hence the lack of need to maintain it as much) and can have a higher speed limit than the "highest standards" roads in Louisiana and Arkansas, which may be in busier areas that require lowered limits. As with the fiscal concern section, I don't think the section should be removed, but simply written (and cited) so that it states the possibility of such an occurrence. Pyrotics ( talk) 13:40, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
In Mid August Governor Quinn signed legislation abandoning separate speed limits for trucks in Illinois, I made a quick edit to the Illinois section, but I am unsure how to edit the table properly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.13.205.72 ( talk) 10:46, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Does any one know if the 55mph signs been removed yet? Synchronism ( talk) 00:57, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
I have seen rural divided highways in Ohio with 60 speed limits, certain sections of U.S. 50 and Ohio 33. That was in 2001. - Jasonc65 ( talk) 00:57, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
I apologize for deleting the SI equivalents. I didn't realize it was part of the Wiki style manual to include them for US speeds, and most of the page entries did not have them. Personally I think the US should have gone Metric decades ago but there should be a consistent style on this.
Just curious, should (and do) the discussions of speed limits in Europe, Canada and other Metric locales have MPH equivalents? 24.13.205.72 ( talk) 01:38, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
We've already discussed the rounding of SI equivalents to the nearest 5 km/h; this question is distinct from that. 1995hoo ( talk) 14:26, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
As to the apparent weirdness of what we used to call the English system, such as the mile being 5,280 feet and the acre being 43,560 square feet, start with the concept of the Furlong and everything falls into place. One advantage of it is that many of the measurements are easily divisible by 2, 3, and 4. Metrics don't divide by 3 very well. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 03:17, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Several articles were split out of this article, such as Speed limits in Mississippi. There was a consensus to not split out any of the by state sections, and even then to do so only to mature (referenced and long) sections. I undid these splits, that were carried out several months ago. In that time there has been no effort to summarize the content removed. Synchronism ( talk) 21:34, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
is probably not the best idea. There are articles on most state highways and all federally numbered roads, such as NM-4 or I-25 in New Mexico. These are the most appropriate places for that kind of information. If you have references for the speed limits of individual roads, consider adding them there. Mentioning of specific roads in this article should generally be confined providing examples and not comprehensive listings. Synchronism ( talk) 21:34, 1 November 2009 (UTC)