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Why exactly does Species 8472 have a problem with humans? As far as I can tell from the article, the humans would love to have 8472 on their side; why does Voyager attack 'em? -- Yar Kramer 21:43, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
Yea ,but that doesn't answer the question.. "Why exactly does Species 8472 have a problem with humans?" The borg were at war with them ,why did voyager allied with the borg in the first place..? The Procrastinator 16:43, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
I have a qualm about the article entitled "Criticism". I am sorry, but I don't see the relevancy behind comparing the Volons, from Babylon 5, to Species 8472. I read the linked source-site, and frankly I think that is just one of those freaky sci-fi essay-esque comparison websites that only 35 year-old know-it-all's who live at home in their basements think about. What I am trying to say is, I don't understand what the goals or [intended] acheivement of the source-site are, and just because they [Species 8472, and the Vorlons] share advanced organic technology, are telepathic and have almost the same looking ships doesn't do justice to the relation. It just isn't worth an article about. Plus, where is the source-article stating that the show's creators are actually being criticised? By who? -- Dark Observer
Thanks. -- Dark Observer
Why does species 8472 have claws and "feet" if they evolved in a completely aquatic environment? Shouldn't they have flippers or something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.73.65.62 ( talk • contribs)
A slighly better but still horrible pic is added by me. -- AeomMai 23:42, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
New version featire?-- AeomMai 00:25, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I think that is highly improbable that Species 8474's Bioships contain absolutely no air! I added the fact that it was strange that there was air inside the ship when Chakotay and Tuvok were in there investigating. It wasn't even filled with fluid! What gives? Dark Observer 16:25, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
This section obviously needs to be edited. Maybe just delete the last two paragraphs which is just some try-hard physicists arguing about fictional environments.
"...it appears to be capable of surviving and recovering from significant, even near-fatal injury."
Actually, a surprising number of creatures are able to survive near-fatal injury.
Hence the adjective "near-fatal" -- you dope.
Although I didn't write this amusing anecdote myself, actually, the words "near-fatal" and "significant", in terms of injury, are redundant to each other because they both mean the same thing. However, when one sustains a "near-fatal" injury, it merely means that the injury did not kill them, but that does not preclude that they will not die afterwords... just a thought... Dark Observer ( talk) 20:10, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
That depends, did they die as a result of the "near fatal" injury, but only at a later date? Because that would still mean "near fatal" isn't an appropriate description, for obvious reasons. Also, "but that does not preclude that they will not die afterwords.." well of course not, everyone dies eventually. Aramilalpha ( talk) 02:00, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
I am confused by this section. Since "fluidic space" is entirely fictional, and we're not even sure if it is supposed to exist as a part of this universe or another, we cannot say what physical laws hold true for that part of space. It may exist entirely outside of what can be called our "universe". In addition, the existence of mass does not mean automatic collapse into a black hole. The mass needs to be concentrated into a region of sufficient density before gravitational collapse can happen. If the density of the fluid is not greater than this, it will never undergo gravitational collapse.
The same goes for the carbon versus hydrogen thing. We have no idea what the physical laws are in this place.
In my humble opinion, this whole section should be removed from the article. -- Primium mobile ( talk) 20:00, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Actually, if anyone has seen the unimatrix zero (two-parter) episodes of voyager, then we know two things about fluidic space:
That is why the properties of physics in fluidic space enable only a quick change to the sensors. It also explains why the physics of propulsion works the same way in both realms. If it did not, then 8472's ships wouldn't be able to fly in space, and voyager wouldn't be able to move around in fluidic space at all. 'nough said. Dark Observer ( talk) 20:29, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Don't 8472 have at least 5 genders? (mentioned somewhere in season 5). Any more info on this? (Is that even possible?). 67.169.124.42 ( talk) 20:42, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Since it is only on Star Trek Online where the name is mentioned. It is not canon until it is either in a film or TV. Gene Roddenberry stated that if it is not on TV or in books it is non-canon. So until name is mentioned on TV or Film do not use term real name. Just say name referred to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.202.122.199 ( talk) 02:52, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
I 100% disagree with this statement. If you've read anything about STO you would know that it is being entirely controlled by the producers and copyright holders of the star trek franchise. Nothing is allowed to be in the game without their approval of it, and seeing as how they are the ones that create the supposedly "canon" material I'd say that makes STO canon. In other words the name Undine should be added into the introduction of the article as to what they have become known as, and that they are no longer known as 8472 (a borg designation to begin with). Aramilalpha ( talk) 02:04, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Most Star Trek articles, including this one, concentrate on the Star Trek universe almost as if the species were real. What about telling us who wrote stuff, what the plans were, how they were received, How they compare with other programmes and characters. We have a glimmer of what I mean by talking about the animation rendering in this article. We should have more. These things are only dropped in occasionally, because the pages are written by Star Trek fans. Not very encyclopedic.
IceDragon64 ( talk) 22:37, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Furthermore, the Talk here is dominated by discussion of the species, not the writing of the article, which is what it is for.
IceDragon64 ( talk) 22:38, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Can someone make a list of all the episodes in which Species 8472 appears? I can think of "Scorpion" I(S3E26) & II(S4E1), "Prey"(S4E16), "In the flesh"(S5E4)... are there more?
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Why exactly does Species 8472 have a problem with humans? As far as I can tell from the article, the humans would love to have 8472 on their side; why does Voyager attack 'em? -- Yar Kramer 21:43, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
Yea ,but that doesn't answer the question.. "Why exactly does Species 8472 have a problem with humans?" The borg were at war with them ,why did voyager allied with the borg in the first place..? The Procrastinator 16:43, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
I have a qualm about the article entitled "Criticism". I am sorry, but I don't see the relevancy behind comparing the Volons, from Babylon 5, to Species 8472. I read the linked source-site, and frankly I think that is just one of those freaky sci-fi essay-esque comparison websites that only 35 year-old know-it-all's who live at home in their basements think about. What I am trying to say is, I don't understand what the goals or [intended] acheivement of the source-site are, and just because they [Species 8472, and the Vorlons] share advanced organic technology, are telepathic and have almost the same looking ships doesn't do justice to the relation. It just isn't worth an article about. Plus, where is the source-article stating that the show's creators are actually being criticised? By who? -- Dark Observer
Thanks. -- Dark Observer
Why does species 8472 have claws and "feet" if they evolved in a completely aquatic environment? Shouldn't they have flippers or something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.73.65.62 ( talk • contribs)
A slighly better but still horrible pic is added by me. -- AeomMai 23:42, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
New version featire?-- AeomMai 00:25, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I think that is highly improbable that Species 8474's Bioships contain absolutely no air! I added the fact that it was strange that there was air inside the ship when Chakotay and Tuvok were in there investigating. It wasn't even filled with fluid! What gives? Dark Observer 16:25, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
This section obviously needs to be edited. Maybe just delete the last two paragraphs which is just some try-hard physicists arguing about fictional environments.
"...it appears to be capable of surviving and recovering from significant, even near-fatal injury."
Actually, a surprising number of creatures are able to survive near-fatal injury.
Hence the adjective "near-fatal" -- you dope.
Although I didn't write this amusing anecdote myself, actually, the words "near-fatal" and "significant", in terms of injury, are redundant to each other because they both mean the same thing. However, when one sustains a "near-fatal" injury, it merely means that the injury did not kill them, but that does not preclude that they will not die afterwords... just a thought... Dark Observer ( talk) 20:10, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
That depends, did they die as a result of the "near fatal" injury, but only at a later date? Because that would still mean "near fatal" isn't an appropriate description, for obvious reasons. Also, "but that does not preclude that they will not die afterwords.." well of course not, everyone dies eventually. Aramilalpha ( talk) 02:00, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
I am confused by this section. Since "fluidic space" is entirely fictional, and we're not even sure if it is supposed to exist as a part of this universe or another, we cannot say what physical laws hold true for that part of space. It may exist entirely outside of what can be called our "universe". In addition, the existence of mass does not mean automatic collapse into a black hole. The mass needs to be concentrated into a region of sufficient density before gravitational collapse can happen. If the density of the fluid is not greater than this, it will never undergo gravitational collapse.
The same goes for the carbon versus hydrogen thing. We have no idea what the physical laws are in this place.
In my humble opinion, this whole section should be removed from the article. -- Primium mobile ( talk) 20:00, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Actually, if anyone has seen the unimatrix zero (two-parter) episodes of voyager, then we know two things about fluidic space:
That is why the properties of physics in fluidic space enable only a quick change to the sensors. It also explains why the physics of propulsion works the same way in both realms. If it did not, then 8472's ships wouldn't be able to fly in space, and voyager wouldn't be able to move around in fluidic space at all. 'nough said. Dark Observer ( talk) 20:29, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Don't 8472 have at least 5 genders? (mentioned somewhere in season 5). Any more info on this? (Is that even possible?). 67.169.124.42 ( talk) 20:42, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Since it is only on Star Trek Online where the name is mentioned. It is not canon until it is either in a film or TV. Gene Roddenberry stated that if it is not on TV or in books it is non-canon. So until name is mentioned on TV or Film do not use term real name. Just say name referred to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.202.122.199 ( talk) 02:52, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
I 100% disagree with this statement. If you've read anything about STO you would know that it is being entirely controlled by the producers and copyright holders of the star trek franchise. Nothing is allowed to be in the game without their approval of it, and seeing as how they are the ones that create the supposedly "canon" material I'd say that makes STO canon. In other words the name Undine should be added into the introduction of the article as to what they have become known as, and that they are no longer known as 8472 (a borg designation to begin with). Aramilalpha ( talk) 02:04, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Most Star Trek articles, including this one, concentrate on the Star Trek universe almost as if the species were real. What about telling us who wrote stuff, what the plans were, how they were received, How they compare with other programmes and characters. We have a glimmer of what I mean by talking about the animation rendering in this article. We should have more. These things are only dropped in occasionally, because the pages are written by Star Trek fans. Not very encyclopedic.
IceDragon64 ( talk) 22:37, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Furthermore, the Talk here is dominated by discussion of the species, not the writing of the article, which is what it is for.
IceDragon64 ( talk) 22:38, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Can someone make a list of all the episodes in which Species 8472 appears? I can think of "Scorpion" I(S3E26) & II(S4E1), "Prey"(S4E16), "In the flesh"(S5E4)... are there more?