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Uhh, wasn't the practice at that time by conquering Europeans to introduce these sorts of diseases deliberately? As for example the British giving the North American Indians blankets infected with smallpox: Smallpox_blankets . Old_Wombat ( talk) 10:43, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
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It's odd to refer to the elite as pure Spanish when it is often claimed that less European women than men migrated in this period. It's more likely that the current elite that look 'pure' European are the descendants of mestizos who over time preferred to marry lighter skinned biracial people that has resulted in their descendants looking like they're 'pure' Europeans several centuries later.
Just dropping initial comments here, more thorough prose review shortly... Dana boomer ( talk) 19:04, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
I've heard that the Q'eqchi' were a much less important group, preconquest, than they are today; that the relative peace in their home territory, brought by Las Casas and the Dominicans, allowed them to expand their territories north and west to cover areas which had previously belonged to the more-severely-decimated Itza', Mopan, etc. This article doesn't touch those issues, but it seems logical to me. Homunq ( talk) 13:17, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Well, if either of you can point me in the direction of a good reference, a few sentences about Q'eqchi' expansion would probably fit quite nicely into the Land of War: Verapaz section. Likewise for changes in indigenous politics; a sentence or two would not be amiss in Legacy of the Spanish conquest. Thanks, Simon Burchell ( talk) 16:46, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
…gradually imposed Spanish cultural standards on the subjugated peoples… Most of the warriors who defeated the indigenous rulers consisted mainly of other native nations. In the subsequent years a large percentage of the native population, including indigenous allies, was wiped out due to a lack of immunity to introduced diseases from the Old World, more so than as a result of warfare. This allowed Westernized mixed race mestizos, who have outnumbered those of predominantly European ancestry since early in the colonisation period, to thrive and prosper at the expense of the native population because they were less likely to succumb to those diseases. And gradually over the next decades and centuries assimilated, voluntarily or through force, the remaining indigenous populations spread across the region. So it’s not entirely accurate to attribute it as a solely Spanish effort as that culture eventually became distinct from the one found in Europe. Even the so-called elites are not of pure European ancestry either, that is a fanciful claim that has no basis in reality. There has definitely been a bias among those higher up in the hierarchy in wanting to marry mestizos with fairer European features hence why over time their descendants may ‘look’ like they are of 'pure' European ancestry but genetic tests would show otherwise.
At the moment, the article doesn't appear to mention at what point Alvarado left Guatemala and went on to El Salvador. I know the conquest of El Salvador itself is outside the scope of this page, but a mention Alvarado and a large army going there seems relevant to the conquest of Guatemala.
PS. I'm new to editing, but I think my first goal for starting a new page will be the Spanish Conquest of El Salvador. TCSaint ( talk) 02:29, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
If I found a couple words in SMALL CAPITALS, then I would change them according to WP:ALLCAPS. But here, where every line of a long References section starts with small capitals in a featured article, I wonder if everyone else knows something I don't. Art LaPella ( talk) 00:27, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
Are horses technology, and how so? Hyacinth ( talk) 00:32, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
The article actually uses the phrase "key elements of Old World technology such as...horses" (my italics); the horse may not be technology in itself but its combination with wheeled vehicles, use for transport etc. does represent technology, and the horse is an element of that technology. Simon Burchell ( talk) 09:36, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
All Spanish people mentioned in the article are Castilian, as Castile was the kingdom which conquered the Americas and send the initial settlers. Shouldn't the word "Spanish" be substituted by "Castilian" everywhere in the article except where appropriate to use "Spanish"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.217.153.70 ( talk) 16:12, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
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Uhh, wasn't the practice at that time by conquering Europeans to introduce these sorts of diseases deliberately? As for example the British giving the North American Indians blankets infected with smallpox: Smallpox_blankets . Old_Wombat ( talk) 10:43, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
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Hi! I'll be reviewing this article for GA status and should have the full review up within a day. Dana boomer ( talk) 16:53, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
It's odd to refer to the elite as pure Spanish when it is often claimed that less European women than men migrated in this period. It's more likely that the current elite that look 'pure' European are the descendants of mestizos who over time preferred to marry lighter skinned biracial people that has resulted in their descendants looking like they're 'pure' Europeans several centuries later.
Just dropping initial comments here, more thorough prose review shortly... Dana boomer ( talk) 19:04, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
I've heard that the Q'eqchi' were a much less important group, preconquest, than they are today; that the relative peace in their home territory, brought by Las Casas and the Dominicans, allowed them to expand their territories north and west to cover areas which had previously belonged to the more-severely-decimated Itza', Mopan, etc. This article doesn't touch those issues, but it seems logical to me. Homunq ( talk) 13:17, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Well, if either of you can point me in the direction of a good reference, a few sentences about Q'eqchi' expansion would probably fit quite nicely into the Land of War: Verapaz section. Likewise for changes in indigenous politics; a sentence or two would not be amiss in Legacy of the Spanish conquest. Thanks, Simon Burchell ( talk) 16:46, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
…gradually imposed Spanish cultural standards on the subjugated peoples… Most of the warriors who defeated the indigenous rulers consisted mainly of other native nations. In the subsequent years a large percentage of the native population, including indigenous allies, was wiped out due to a lack of immunity to introduced diseases from the Old World, more so than as a result of warfare. This allowed Westernized mixed race mestizos, who have outnumbered those of predominantly European ancestry since early in the colonisation period, to thrive and prosper at the expense of the native population because they were less likely to succumb to those diseases. And gradually over the next decades and centuries assimilated, voluntarily or through force, the remaining indigenous populations spread across the region. So it’s not entirely accurate to attribute it as a solely Spanish effort as that culture eventually became distinct from the one found in Europe. Even the so-called elites are not of pure European ancestry either, that is a fanciful claim that has no basis in reality. There has definitely been a bias among those higher up in the hierarchy in wanting to marry mestizos with fairer European features hence why over time their descendants may ‘look’ like they are of 'pure' European ancestry but genetic tests would show otherwise.
At the moment, the article doesn't appear to mention at what point Alvarado left Guatemala and went on to El Salvador. I know the conquest of El Salvador itself is outside the scope of this page, but a mention Alvarado and a large army going there seems relevant to the conquest of Guatemala.
PS. I'm new to editing, but I think my first goal for starting a new page will be the Spanish Conquest of El Salvador. TCSaint ( talk) 02:29, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
If I found a couple words in SMALL CAPITALS, then I would change them according to WP:ALLCAPS. But here, where every line of a long References section starts with small capitals in a featured article, I wonder if everyone else knows something I don't. Art LaPella ( talk) 00:27, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
Are horses technology, and how so? Hyacinth ( talk) 00:32, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
The article actually uses the phrase "key elements of Old World technology such as...horses" (my italics); the horse may not be technology in itself but its combination with wheeled vehicles, use for transport etc. does represent technology, and the horse is an element of that technology. Simon Burchell ( talk) 09:36, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
All Spanish people mentioned in the article are Castilian, as Castile was the kingdom which conquered the Americas and send the initial settlers. Shouldn't the word "Spanish" be substituted by "Castilian" everywhere in the article except where appropriate to use "Spanish"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.217.153.70 ( talk) 16:12, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
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