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✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 06:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
We don't have official times from SpaceX, and it may be different from IFT-3, so shouldn't the Flight Profile Table be removed? Redacted II ( talk) 15:26, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
At the revision by the time I start this thread, ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=SpaceX_Starship_integrated_flight_test_4&oldid=1227614254) the Flight Profile section contains a statement that goes
To reduce mass during descent, SpaceX is using a temporary design change on this test flight to jettison the booster hot-staging ring. Longer term, SpaceX intends to redesign the hot-staging ring for lighter weight and tight integration with the booster, which will then not be jettisoned.
Inline comment states the intent to redesign was
per SpaceX launch day livecast, at 14:45
Current source for these two sentences doesn't really cover the statement other than proving the ring was indeed jettisoned. A note requesting secondary source is also present.
Is the "launch-day livecast" an acceptable source? (I'd assume there's some way to put a video stream as a source but I'd need to figure it out.) If a primary source (SpaceX) is able to explicitly state these points, would a secondary source be still needed? XrayBravoGolf ( talk) 21:31, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Given the apoapsis at 213 km of altitude and velocity of 26221 km/h, the periapsis is at -1228 km. The same result can be obtained from other points in time (e.g. at T+10:29 the altitude reaches 164 km and velocity equals 26495 km/h which matches a periapsis altitude around -1200 km). The cited source says "maybe about 10 kilometers below the surface" which imo means it's just a guess. 91.94.89.242 ( talk) 01:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Our armchair analysis doesn't matter, as that would be original research. Even an unachieved orbital altitude like the -10 km shown in the article inforbox now, should not be there, as it just misleads the Wikipedia reader. It is a theoretical number that is only the altitude IF the spacecraft COULD get there.
Moreover, any information in an infobox should summarize key facts that appear in the article, not supplant them and not be the only place in an article that the data is discussed, per MOS:INFOBOX. So the periapsis negative number will be removed unless it merely summarizes something explicated in a paragraph in the article prose. N2e ( talk) 11:04, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Acording to what I saw and wikipedia itself, both stages landed sucessfully. Yukielgato ( talk) 13:14, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
@ RickyCourtney All the other IFT pages used MDY instead of DMY (until you changed them to DMY. I've reverted them on the same grounds as the two reverts here.).
Additionally, the SpaceX Super Heavy and SpaceX Starship (spacecraft) pages use MDY. So there is precedent for using MDY.
Finally, when there is a template of "Use MDY", you cannot just change it to DMY just because you think it will improve the article. That's something you have to discuss, and a consensus needs to be developed in favor of that change before its implemented. Redacted II ( talk) 17:09, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Let's move this conversation to a better venue: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spaceflight#Date format. -- RickyCourtney ( talk) 19:51, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 06:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
We don't have official times from SpaceX, and it may be different from IFT-3, so shouldn't the Flight Profile Table be removed? Redacted II ( talk) 15:26, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
At the revision by the time I start this thread, ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=SpaceX_Starship_integrated_flight_test_4&oldid=1227614254) the Flight Profile section contains a statement that goes
To reduce mass during descent, SpaceX is using a temporary design change on this test flight to jettison the booster hot-staging ring. Longer term, SpaceX intends to redesign the hot-staging ring for lighter weight and tight integration with the booster, which will then not be jettisoned.
Inline comment states the intent to redesign was
per SpaceX launch day livecast, at 14:45
Current source for these two sentences doesn't really cover the statement other than proving the ring was indeed jettisoned. A note requesting secondary source is also present.
Is the "launch-day livecast" an acceptable source? (I'd assume there's some way to put a video stream as a source but I'd need to figure it out.) If a primary source (SpaceX) is able to explicitly state these points, would a secondary source be still needed? XrayBravoGolf ( talk) 21:31, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Given the apoapsis at 213 km of altitude and velocity of 26221 km/h, the periapsis is at -1228 km. The same result can be obtained from other points in time (e.g. at T+10:29 the altitude reaches 164 km and velocity equals 26495 km/h which matches a periapsis altitude around -1200 km). The cited source says "maybe about 10 kilometers below the surface" which imo means it's just a guess. 91.94.89.242 ( talk) 01:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Our armchair analysis doesn't matter, as that would be original research. Even an unachieved orbital altitude like the -10 km shown in the article inforbox now, should not be there, as it just misleads the Wikipedia reader. It is a theoretical number that is only the altitude IF the spacecraft COULD get there.
Moreover, any information in an infobox should summarize key facts that appear in the article, not supplant them and not be the only place in an article that the data is discussed, per MOS:INFOBOX. So the periapsis negative number will be removed unless it merely summarizes something explicated in a paragraph in the article prose. N2e ( talk) 11:04, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Acording to what I saw and wikipedia itself, both stages landed sucessfully. Yukielgato ( talk) 13:14, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
@ RickyCourtney All the other IFT pages used MDY instead of DMY (until you changed them to DMY. I've reverted them on the same grounds as the two reverts here.).
Additionally, the SpaceX Super Heavy and SpaceX Starship (spacecraft) pages use MDY. So there is precedent for using MDY.
Finally, when there is a template of "Use MDY", you cannot just change it to DMY just because you think it will improve the article. That's something you have to discuss, and a consensus needs to be developed in favor of that change before its implemented. Redacted II ( talk) 17:09, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Let's move this conversation to a better venue: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spaceflight#Date format. -- RickyCourtney ( talk) 19:51, 9 July 2024 (UTC)