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There is not a single mention of the N1 rocket. It's an important part of Soviet scientific history in general, being their first attempt at creating a vehicle to carry humans to the Moon among other things. Some information about it could be shared in the 'space age advances' section. Rime7 ( talk) 00:45, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
Russia's WWII development of Rocket-powered aircraft seems to be a well-kept secret until now. Please see that page; much of what's here seems to belong there, too. JustinTime55 ( talk) 20:57, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
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There are multiple inaccuracies with this section. A list of some of the more obvious ones includes: - The R7 did not use UDMH propellant - The R7 only had five engines, not 20 - The RD-107 was never a monopropellant engine, nor did it use kerosene merely as a coolant
Really the whole section needs re-written. To anybody not conversant with the actual history of Soviet rocketry it would be very misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.208.195.53 ( talk) 11:23, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
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Have been carrying out a review of this article and one issue I am struggling with is the amount of jet aircraft information, which does not appear to relate to Soviet rocketry. I suspect that someone has mixed up the word “reaktivnyy” which means “reactive” in Russian and is commonly used to denote "jet propulsion". However in the 1930s and 1940s "reactive" was normally used to describe both jet and rocket propulsion. In particular the sections on Andrei Tupolev, Pavel Sukhoi & Development of MiG aircraft do not appear to have any connection with Soviet rockets. I also note they are all referenced from one source, which is behind a paywall. I also note that their are already extensive other wiki articles on these subjects, ie Andrei Tupolev, Pavel Sukhoi, MiG 1, etc. Had a quick look and it does not look like it would be worthwhile to transfer any of this information to other articles. Was thinking of removing any Jet aircraft information from this article, unless it relates to rocketry. Thoughts? Ilenart626 ( talk) 13:32, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
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I'm addressing here what I already stated as talk in the article German influence on the Soviet space program. It is mainly about the sentence "However, after 1947 the Soviets made very little use of German specialists and their influence on the future Soviet rocket program was marginal." with a reference to Siddiqi. At the first glance this may seem logical and proven as there was no direct involvement of German engineers in Soviet development and testing after the launch of the V-2 rockets in Kapustin Jar in October 1947 when they were isolated on Gorodomlya island. However, there are many indications that German concepts and ideas were well received after 1947, severely contradicting Siddiqi's conclusions (p. 84):
Why should they have gone there without any technical interests? Not for holidays on a cold and distant island, for sure. Other sources, such as Olaf Przybilski's analysis and Mark Wade's detailed summary of the rocket concepts, tell a contradicting story that the Soviets adapted many concepts from G-2 and G-4, also on the engine side the ED-140 concepts going into the RD-107 design. Why fully trust Siddiqi on this matter and disregard other insights? SchmiAlf ( talk) 10:05, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
The statement in the lead: "… though after 1947 their influence was marginal" and the statement "However, after 1947-48 the Soviets made very little use of German specialists as they were frozen out, worked on designs that were never used and their influence on the future Soviet rocket program was marginal." in the Soviet_rocketry#German_influence section are based on the lead of German influence on the Soviet space program. Following the dispute already mentioned in the topic above a survey Talk:German influence on the Soviet space program#Survey was opened by the moderator. Please participate in the survey and vote for your preferred option! SchmiAlf ( talk) 15:54, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
Anatoly Zak concluded that the "German ideas and concepts developed by Gröttrup's team on Gorodomlya did influence Soviet designers and accelerate their efforts"This is a classic example of WP:SYNTH. Zak’s website in the German contribution in the Soviet rocketry: Myth and Reality section summarises both arguments for and against German contribution, which he summarises as “As it often happens in history, the truth might lie in between: Germans did not designed Sputnik or its rocket, however the ideas and concepts developed by Gröttrup’s team on Gorodomlya did influence Soviet designers and thus accelerated their efforts.” In other words, Zak’s website supports the original wording in this article, as supported by Siddiqi (2000).
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There is not a single mention of the N1 rocket. It's an important part of Soviet scientific history in general, being their first attempt at creating a vehicle to carry humans to the Moon among other things. Some information about it could be shared in the 'space age advances' section. Rime7 ( talk) 00:45, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
Russia's WWII development of Rocket-powered aircraft seems to be a well-kept secret until now. Please see that page; much of what's here seems to belong there, too. JustinTime55 ( talk) 20:57, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
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There are multiple inaccuracies with this section. A list of some of the more obvious ones includes: - The R7 did not use UDMH propellant - The R7 only had five engines, not 20 - The RD-107 was never a monopropellant engine, nor did it use kerosene merely as a coolant
Really the whole section needs re-written. To anybody not conversant with the actual history of Soviet rocketry it would be very misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.208.195.53 ( talk) 11:23, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
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Have been carrying out a review of this article and one issue I am struggling with is the amount of jet aircraft information, which does not appear to relate to Soviet rocketry. I suspect that someone has mixed up the word “reaktivnyy” which means “reactive” in Russian and is commonly used to denote "jet propulsion". However in the 1930s and 1940s "reactive" was normally used to describe both jet and rocket propulsion. In particular the sections on Andrei Tupolev, Pavel Sukhoi & Development of MiG aircraft do not appear to have any connection with Soviet rockets. I also note they are all referenced from one source, which is behind a paywall. I also note that their are already extensive other wiki articles on these subjects, ie Andrei Tupolev, Pavel Sukhoi, MiG 1, etc. Had a quick look and it does not look like it would be worthwhile to transfer any of this information to other articles. Was thinking of removing any Jet aircraft information from this article, unless it relates to rocketry. Thoughts? Ilenart626 ( talk) 13:32, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
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I'm addressing here what I already stated as talk in the article German influence on the Soviet space program. It is mainly about the sentence "However, after 1947 the Soviets made very little use of German specialists and their influence on the future Soviet rocket program was marginal." with a reference to Siddiqi. At the first glance this may seem logical and proven as there was no direct involvement of German engineers in Soviet development and testing after the launch of the V-2 rockets in Kapustin Jar in October 1947 when they were isolated on Gorodomlya island. However, there are many indications that German concepts and ideas were well received after 1947, severely contradicting Siddiqi's conclusions (p. 84):
Why should they have gone there without any technical interests? Not for holidays on a cold and distant island, for sure. Other sources, such as Olaf Przybilski's analysis and Mark Wade's detailed summary of the rocket concepts, tell a contradicting story that the Soviets adapted many concepts from G-2 and G-4, also on the engine side the ED-140 concepts going into the RD-107 design. Why fully trust Siddiqi on this matter and disregard other insights? SchmiAlf ( talk) 10:05, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
The statement in the lead: "… though after 1947 their influence was marginal" and the statement "However, after 1947-48 the Soviets made very little use of German specialists as they were frozen out, worked on designs that were never used and their influence on the future Soviet rocket program was marginal." in the Soviet_rocketry#German_influence section are based on the lead of German influence on the Soviet space program. Following the dispute already mentioned in the topic above a survey Talk:German influence on the Soviet space program#Survey was opened by the moderator. Please participate in the survey and vote for your preferred option! SchmiAlf ( talk) 15:54, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
Anatoly Zak concluded that the "German ideas and concepts developed by Gröttrup's team on Gorodomlya did influence Soviet designers and accelerate their efforts"This is a classic example of WP:SYNTH. Zak’s website in the German contribution in the Soviet rocketry: Myth and Reality section summarises both arguments for and against German contribution, which he summarises as “As it often happens in history, the truth might lie in between: Germans did not designed Sputnik or its rocket, however the ideas and concepts developed by Gröttrup’s team on Gorodomlya did influence Soviet designers and thus accelerated their efforts.” In other words, Zak’s website supports the original wording in this article, as supported by Siddiqi (2000).
References
Neufield
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).With Neopeius‘s permission the details below have been copied from Talk:Space Race#German influence on Soviet space program regarding his discussion with Asif Siddiqi about German influence on the Soviet space program.
Ilenart626 ( talk) 08:58, 10 December 2023 (UTC)