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My map shows Southwark and The Borough as separate areas. London Borough of Southwark lists them both. ( 12:36, 1 Nov 2003 (UTC)
It sounds like you have your work cut out. I'm afraid that at the moment, the first sentence is incomprehensible :( -- Tarquin 12:55, 1 Nov 2003 (UTC)
better. thanks :) -- Tarquin
Has anyone actually heard anyone else say "[ˈsʌvək]"? -- stochata 13:28, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi. Thanks for adding the details of the civil administration prior to the Metropolitan Borough of Southwark. Two points, first its a bit notelike, and second I think it would be better placed in that article since that deals with prior civil administrations for the area. What do you think? cheers Kbthompson ( talk) 08:18, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the response Kb. Civil admin, parishes, manors vestries etc I placed it here because I wanted to address the issues and confusions made by the contributors above, the confusion as to what 'Southwark' is or was. I wanted to make clear the distinction between the historic place and the modern, ie twentieth century,local and municipal structures, which just happen to have adopted the name 'Southwark' into their titles. The other articles are about local government, not history. I made a similar contribution on the 'Bermondsey' article, which has even more confused contributions. As I point out on the talk page there, you cannot discuss this type of location name without being period specific. 79.75.2.246 ( talk) 01:38, 24 April 2008 (UTC) (Tony S)
I don't think locals would necessarily say that Southwark and (the) Borough are the same place. Southwark seems to me to cover a much bigger area; Borough is a section of Southwark. Whatever the official position, might this be worth mentioning in the page? It's a subject that has received some attention on the local community web site, which is www.london-se1.co.uk Macphysto ( talk) 18:50, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
This is a remnant from Gropecunt Lane which I thought I'd place in this article, but to my surprise nothing is written about the prostitution therein. Anyway, I'll put it here instead. The citation is below.
Parrot of Doom ( talk) 20:19, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
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"From the Norman period manorial organisation obtained through major lay and ecclesiastic magnates."
Isn't that a rather archaic use of "to obtain"? I had to read the sentence three times before I figured out which word was the verb! Sergeirichard ( talk) 22:54, 27 May 2009 (UTC) Nope, standard English at a secondary educational level. 79.72.80.60 ( talk) 07:17, 7 October 2009 (UTC) Tony S
Can anyone add voice files for how Southwark is pronounced worldwide as well as locally? Thanks-- Rosswood40 ( talk) 12:10, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
I think that all one has to remember is that it is not pronounced as it is spelled by UK English speakers, but that both parts are elided. 79.72.80.60 ( talk) 07:22, 7 October 2009 (UTC) Tony S
Thanks-- Rosswood40 ( talk) 02:32, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Note from Youngs that the ancient borough comprised:
Need to work this into the prose of article. MRSC ( talk) 11:27, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
As it stands, the article contradicts itself. Is it the Surrey Wark or the South Wark? Dadge ( talk) 13:13, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi - it started as Surrey - 'Suth' is the 'Southern Middle Saxons' - then the 'South' meaning south of the City became the meaning. So it is both. Tony S 92.10.32.92 ( talk) 15:32, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
Well, if it began as one, and then was/is the other, then it isn't both. I think it'd be better to describe the name as the south form/meaning, which seems to have been the case since Domesday, and then explain that the place previously (i.e. before Domesday) had a similar, but different, name, with a different form/meaning. (That is, unless the south form/meaning derives from the Surrey form/meaning in any way, which the article states it does not.) Dadge ( talk) 10:57, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
I would prefer the main picture to be a building more closely associated with borough of southwark. The picture of the cathedral confuses (in my mind) the Borough of S with the substantially larger diocese of Southwark (and the smaller area known as the Borough). Andrewblack ( talk) 00:59, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
And it was me that was confused. Now realise the article is NOT about the London Borough.
Andrewblack ( talk) 01:15, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
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My map shows Southwark and The Borough as separate areas. London Borough of Southwark lists them both. ( 12:36, 1 Nov 2003 (UTC)
It sounds like you have your work cut out. I'm afraid that at the moment, the first sentence is incomprehensible :( -- Tarquin 12:55, 1 Nov 2003 (UTC)
better. thanks :) -- Tarquin
Has anyone actually heard anyone else say "[ˈsʌvək]"? -- stochata 13:28, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi. Thanks for adding the details of the civil administration prior to the Metropolitan Borough of Southwark. Two points, first its a bit notelike, and second I think it would be better placed in that article since that deals with prior civil administrations for the area. What do you think? cheers Kbthompson ( talk) 08:18, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the response Kb. Civil admin, parishes, manors vestries etc I placed it here because I wanted to address the issues and confusions made by the contributors above, the confusion as to what 'Southwark' is or was. I wanted to make clear the distinction between the historic place and the modern, ie twentieth century,local and municipal structures, which just happen to have adopted the name 'Southwark' into their titles. The other articles are about local government, not history. I made a similar contribution on the 'Bermondsey' article, which has even more confused contributions. As I point out on the talk page there, you cannot discuss this type of location name without being period specific. 79.75.2.246 ( talk) 01:38, 24 April 2008 (UTC) (Tony S)
I don't think locals would necessarily say that Southwark and (the) Borough are the same place. Southwark seems to me to cover a much bigger area; Borough is a section of Southwark. Whatever the official position, might this be worth mentioning in the page? It's a subject that has received some attention on the local community web site, which is www.london-se1.co.uk Macphysto ( talk) 18:50, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
This is a remnant from Gropecunt Lane which I thought I'd place in this article, but to my surprise nothing is written about the prostitution therein. Anyway, I'll put it here instead. The citation is below.
Parrot of Doom ( talk) 20:19, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
References
"From the Norman period manorial organisation obtained through major lay and ecclesiastic magnates."
Isn't that a rather archaic use of "to obtain"? I had to read the sentence three times before I figured out which word was the verb! Sergeirichard ( talk) 22:54, 27 May 2009 (UTC) Nope, standard English at a secondary educational level. 79.72.80.60 ( talk) 07:17, 7 October 2009 (UTC) Tony S
Can anyone add voice files for how Southwark is pronounced worldwide as well as locally? Thanks-- Rosswood40 ( talk) 12:10, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
I think that all one has to remember is that it is not pronounced as it is spelled by UK English speakers, but that both parts are elided. 79.72.80.60 ( talk) 07:22, 7 October 2009 (UTC) Tony S
Thanks-- Rosswood40 ( talk) 02:32, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Note from Youngs that the ancient borough comprised:
Need to work this into the prose of article. MRSC ( talk) 11:27, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
As it stands, the article contradicts itself. Is it the Surrey Wark or the South Wark? Dadge ( talk) 13:13, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi - it started as Surrey - 'Suth' is the 'Southern Middle Saxons' - then the 'South' meaning south of the City became the meaning. So it is both. Tony S 92.10.32.92 ( talk) 15:32, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
Well, if it began as one, and then was/is the other, then it isn't both. I think it'd be better to describe the name as the south form/meaning, which seems to have been the case since Domesday, and then explain that the place previously (i.e. before Domesday) had a similar, but different, name, with a different form/meaning. (That is, unless the south form/meaning derives from the Surrey form/meaning in any way, which the article states it does not.) Dadge ( talk) 10:57, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
I would prefer the main picture to be a building more closely associated with borough of southwark. The picture of the cathedral confuses (in my mind) the Borough of S with the substantially larger diocese of Southwark (and the smaller area known as the Borough). Andrewblack ( talk) 00:59, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
And it was me that was confused. Now realise the article is NOT about the London Borough.
Andrewblack ( talk) 01:15, 14 April 2021 (UTC)