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I have found some difficulties in discovering some of the routes for the underground railroad. One of the questions that I have are where did the various lines of escape end. I know of several in the United States but very few in Canada and yet we know that many escaped slaves came to Canada to find their freedom. I know of one such area in in a small community called Canfield. As a matter of fact not only was this part of the underground railroad but many of these ex-slaves settled not far from there. There later grew a small settlement of these escaped slaves on what became unofficially known as the "Darkie Side Road" this was not a slur against anyone but rather intended for reference alone. This information came from word of mouth and I am in the process of attempting to confirm some of this.
By A. Gowling
In the small town I grew up in (Dunnville) Highway 56 was generally regarded as "The Darkie Side Road" I distinctly remember my father, in the 1950's pointing out a group of houses (maybe deserted I don't know) on the left hand side driving north. I was probably pretty young, but my recollection was that this settlement was closer to the junction of Highway 20. I suppose it could have been Canfield, but it is on Highway 3 and I have often heard Dunnville residents call 56 the Darkie Side Road.
Tom Williams
I've tagged as problematic the statement that the dividing line between Southern and Northern Ontario was traditionally "counties vs. districts".
At least officially, the dividing line between the two regions has always been the line created by Georgian Bay, the French River and Lake Nipissing, while Parry Sound and Muskoka were essentially a transitional region that had aspects of both the south and the north — but although they were certainly more "northern" politically and culturally (Parry Sound more so, Muskoka less), they were (and still are) both geographically in the south. For instance, nobody would ever say that Gravenhurst or Huntsville or Bracebridge was in Northern Ontario — but the moment you step up to the region which all three of those towns are part of, then suddenly people do sometimes say Northern. There's a certain illogic to that.
Furthermore, Muskoka is not a "district" in the sense meant by any other division in Ontario that has the word district in its name, as it is legally a regional municipality and does have an upper-tier government. So calling Muskoka "northern" on the basis of a division between incorporated and unincorporated census divisions simply doesn't wash, because if that's the criterion then Muskoka doesn't even meet it. Bearcat ( talk) 01:29, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
The issue is that there is no official demarcation line between northern and southern Ontario; or at least if there is, it hasn't been found and cited in our article. The best I think we can do in the article is present known alternative opinions. I tend to think that the line described by Bearcat (ie, French River, Lake Nipissing, and presumably the Mattawa River to the Ottawa River) is as good a "natural" demarcation line as any, but of course one could use highways or political boundaries as alternatives. PK T(alk) 17:25, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
Muskoka and Parry Sound are/were districts not Counties .... Muskoka has recently become a regional municipality. That in no way means that suddenly it becomes part of Southern Ontario. It was a full out district until recently. I agree that the "border" between North and South is disputable, which is the case with any non-definite boundary. I suggest we leave it the way it is, having Muskoka and Parry Sound as transition district/municipality belonging to both North and South.
209.183.149.174 (
talk) 15:30, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Here is a Government source showing Muskoka in Northern Ontario, with mapping to prove it. http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/on-line-exhibits/maps/ontario-north.aspx 209.183.149.174 ( talk) 17:44, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Agreed the maps are of poor quality, but the reference clearly shows proof. Title = Districts of NORTHERN Ontario ... Listed under said Title = Muskoka and Parry Sound. Southern Ontario was once all "Counties". Muskoka was never a county. It was a District like the rest of the North. 209.183.149.174 ( talk) 18:03, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
And another fascinating discovery: Haliburton wasn't a county in 1927, either — and didn't become one until 12 years after Muskoka became a regional municipality. Which means that if the definition were based on the recentism that our numbered friend demands, Haliburton wouldn't belong on the list either. But that didn't seem to exclude it from being listed as part of Southern Ontario. Why izzat, d'you suppose? Bearcat ( talk) 07:17, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
I added the two citation needed tags to the tourism section because it contradicts this which does have citations. Maybe Toronto/Silver Horseshoe cheerleaders can not only provide citations, but also fix the chart. Isn't it just obvious that more international visitors go to Toronto than Rome? I just hope this isn't a deliberate snub against Canada. -- Antigrandiose ( talk) 07:31, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Also, and I hope my math is right, but 21% of the Canadian population that lives outside of Ottawa visits this city every year? -- Antigrandiose ( talk) 01:56, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
I think that the
Ontario Science Centre should be added as tourist attractions of Southern Ontario. Comments?
Nutster (
talk) 01:00, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
I live in Eastern Ontario, which I have never considered part of Southern Ontario. The first external link of the article, to Southern Ontario Tourism, shows a map that does not include Eastern Ontario. I suspect that most people, when they say "Southern Ontario", are thinking of the area covered by the tourism link, and maybe a little more to the east, but not Eastern Ontario. Should the article not mention this as an alternative (and, I suspect, much more common) definition of Southern Ontario? Sagifer ( talk) 13:41, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
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Does anybody know why the term "white sand" in the Climate section is in bold? Sxg169 ( talk) 16:56, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
So far as I can tell, "Southern Ontario" has no legal status. Thus I don't see why the "s" is capitalized, other than that it happens to come at the start of a sentence.
I know traditionally "Northern Ontario" has the 'N' in capital. Still, the article seems to imply some legal status that I don't think exists. It is simply a territorial description, that is contested, see e.g. other person's comment on eastern vs southern Ontario. NWG123 ( talk) 16:20, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
official_name = Southern Ontario
Where does the area measurement of Southern Ontario come from? There doesn't appear to be a source. The article shows an area of 139,931 km2 for the total area, including 126,819 km2 in the core area and 13,112 km2 in the extended area. If Southern Ontario consists of the 40 census divisions listed in the article, the total of these census divisions is considerably smaller. The 40 census divisions are a total of 114,217 km2 - 101,264 km2 for the 38 core census divisions and 12,953 km2 in the two extended ones (Parry Sound and Muskoka). These numbers are from Statistics Canada. I can't find any information that accounts for the difference. Clowndentist ( talk) 01:07, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
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I have found some difficulties in discovering some of the routes for the underground railroad. One of the questions that I have are where did the various lines of escape end. I know of several in the United States but very few in Canada and yet we know that many escaped slaves came to Canada to find their freedom. I know of one such area in in a small community called Canfield. As a matter of fact not only was this part of the underground railroad but many of these ex-slaves settled not far from there. There later grew a small settlement of these escaped slaves on what became unofficially known as the "Darkie Side Road" this was not a slur against anyone but rather intended for reference alone. This information came from word of mouth and I am in the process of attempting to confirm some of this.
By A. Gowling
In the small town I grew up in (Dunnville) Highway 56 was generally regarded as "The Darkie Side Road" I distinctly remember my father, in the 1950's pointing out a group of houses (maybe deserted I don't know) on the left hand side driving north. I was probably pretty young, but my recollection was that this settlement was closer to the junction of Highway 20. I suppose it could have been Canfield, but it is on Highway 3 and I have often heard Dunnville residents call 56 the Darkie Side Road.
Tom Williams
I've tagged as problematic the statement that the dividing line between Southern and Northern Ontario was traditionally "counties vs. districts".
At least officially, the dividing line between the two regions has always been the line created by Georgian Bay, the French River and Lake Nipissing, while Parry Sound and Muskoka were essentially a transitional region that had aspects of both the south and the north — but although they were certainly more "northern" politically and culturally (Parry Sound more so, Muskoka less), they were (and still are) both geographically in the south. For instance, nobody would ever say that Gravenhurst or Huntsville or Bracebridge was in Northern Ontario — but the moment you step up to the region which all three of those towns are part of, then suddenly people do sometimes say Northern. There's a certain illogic to that.
Furthermore, Muskoka is not a "district" in the sense meant by any other division in Ontario that has the word district in its name, as it is legally a regional municipality and does have an upper-tier government. So calling Muskoka "northern" on the basis of a division between incorporated and unincorporated census divisions simply doesn't wash, because if that's the criterion then Muskoka doesn't even meet it. Bearcat ( talk) 01:29, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
The issue is that there is no official demarcation line between northern and southern Ontario; or at least if there is, it hasn't been found and cited in our article. The best I think we can do in the article is present known alternative opinions. I tend to think that the line described by Bearcat (ie, French River, Lake Nipissing, and presumably the Mattawa River to the Ottawa River) is as good a "natural" demarcation line as any, but of course one could use highways or political boundaries as alternatives. PK T(alk) 17:25, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
Muskoka and Parry Sound are/were districts not Counties .... Muskoka has recently become a regional municipality. That in no way means that suddenly it becomes part of Southern Ontario. It was a full out district until recently. I agree that the "border" between North and South is disputable, which is the case with any non-definite boundary. I suggest we leave it the way it is, having Muskoka and Parry Sound as transition district/municipality belonging to both North and South.
209.183.149.174 (
talk) 15:30, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Here is a Government source showing Muskoka in Northern Ontario, with mapping to prove it. http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/on-line-exhibits/maps/ontario-north.aspx 209.183.149.174 ( talk) 17:44, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Agreed the maps are of poor quality, but the reference clearly shows proof. Title = Districts of NORTHERN Ontario ... Listed under said Title = Muskoka and Parry Sound. Southern Ontario was once all "Counties". Muskoka was never a county. It was a District like the rest of the North. 209.183.149.174 ( talk) 18:03, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
And another fascinating discovery: Haliburton wasn't a county in 1927, either — and didn't become one until 12 years after Muskoka became a regional municipality. Which means that if the definition were based on the recentism that our numbered friend demands, Haliburton wouldn't belong on the list either. But that didn't seem to exclude it from being listed as part of Southern Ontario. Why izzat, d'you suppose? Bearcat ( talk) 07:17, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
I added the two citation needed tags to the tourism section because it contradicts this which does have citations. Maybe Toronto/Silver Horseshoe cheerleaders can not only provide citations, but also fix the chart. Isn't it just obvious that more international visitors go to Toronto than Rome? I just hope this isn't a deliberate snub against Canada. -- Antigrandiose ( talk) 07:31, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Also, and I hope my math is right, but 21% of the Canadian population that lives outside of Ottawa visits this city every year? -- Antigrandiose ( talk) 01:56, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
I think that the
Ontario Science Centre should be added as tourist attractions of Southern Ontario. Comments?
Nutster (
talk) 01:00, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
I live in Eastern Ontario, which I have never considered part of Southern Ontario. The first external link of the article, to Southern Ontario Tourism, shows a map that does not include Eastern Ontario. I suspect that most people, when they say "Southern Ontario", are thinking of the area covered by the tourism link, and maybe a little more to the east, but not Eastern Ontario. Should the article not mention this as an alternative (and, I suspect, much more common) definition of Southern Ontario? Sagifer ( talk) 13:41, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
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Does anybody know why the term "white sand" in the Climate section is in bold? Sxg169 ( talk) 16:56, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
So far as I can tell, "Southern Ontario" has no legal status. Thus I don't see why the "s" is capitalized, other than that it happens to come at the start of a sentence.
I know traditionally "Northern Ontario" has the 'N' in capital. Still, the article seems to imply some legal status that I don't think exists. It is simply a territorial description, that is contested, see e.g. other person's comment on eastern vs southern Ontario. NWG123 ( talk) 16:20, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
official_name = Southern Ontario
Where does the area measurement of Southern Ontario come from? There doesn't appear to be a source. The article shows an area of 139,931 km2 for the total area, including 126,819 km2 in the core area and 13,112 km2 in the extended area. If Southern Ontario consists of the 40 census divisions listed in the article, the total of these census divisions is considerably smaller. The 40 census divisions are a total of 114,217 km2 - 101,264 km2 for the 38 core census divisions and 12,953 km2 in the two extended ones (Parry Sound and Muskoka). These numbers are from Statistics Canada. I can't find any information that accounts for the difference. Clowndentist ( talk) 01:07, 10 March 2022 (UTC)