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It was originally divided into just Avon, Cornwall, Devon, Dorset, Gloucestershire, Somerset, and Wiltshire.
I have changed this to It was previously divided... Avon was never an historic county, and only came into being in 1974.-- MichaelMaggs 08:50, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
The article on Gibraltar lists that area as part of the EU voting constituency of South West England. Could someone who is more knowledgeable on the subjesct please clear this up for me? - USArsnl 03:08, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
While I think the article name should remain South West England (because that's what most people will think of it as), the emboldened part of the opening paragraph should read ‘South West (or Government Office for the South West) is one of the regions of England . . . ’ since the word England does not form part of its title. The only region of England which includes the word is East of England. If no-one objects, I'd like to change this (and also the other region of England articles). - Heavens To Betsy 13:48, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
This section is fatuous and way too early in the article. Some of it belongs in a trivia section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.140.57.113 ( talk) 11:09, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
The sections on each county seem very brief in some cases: just listing large employers does not really tell you much about the economy.-- Felix Folio Secundus ( talk) 07:41, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Erm, can people not follow links to the individual county pages? Govynn ( talk) 19:48, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
Also if, for instance in the Somerset section, we include Yeo Valley Organic (for example), why don't we include every company listed in Category:Companies_based_in_Somerset? CS 46 16:01, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
I am furious with the childish and nasty anti-Cornish edits in this article. Removing Cornwall's status as one of the most deprived sub-regions in the UK and the suppression of the associated primary sources is playing blatant and malicious politics with socio-economic data. You know who you are. Stop it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Artowalos ( talk • contribs) 21:29, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
As part of the transport planning system the Regional Assembly is under statutory requirement to produce a Regional Transport Strategy to provide long term planning for transport in the region. This involves region wide transport schemes such as those carried out by the Highways Agency and Network Rail. [12] - now out of date, regional assemblies in England no longer exist (as of now (2011)) Govynn ( talk) 19:49, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
What evidence is there that Exeter acted as a "regional capital" of a region coextensive with the modern south west region? Govynn ( talk) 20:08, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
I have edited the Middle Ages section since it was implied by the previous version that there were natives of Devon or beyond who were British Celtic speakers in the Tudor period, the placename and documentary evidence would indicate that Cornish was restricted to west of the Tamar at least several centuries earlier. If anyone is aware of any evidence for a British Celtic speaking tradition persisting east of the Tamar this late you are welcome to add it back in if you can back it up. Govynn ( talk) 20:33, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
Also, does anyone with an interest in the English Civil War want to add some information about places beyond Somerset? Govynn ( talk) 20:33, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
The question has come up at Talk:West Country of the need for a better map of the region - showing some administrative boundaries, some towns, etc. As the term "West Country" cannot be satisfactorily defined, it seems to me that a map of the SW region would be preferable. Any views on this? Ghmyrtle ( talk) 11:48, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
WIkipedia is not a directory, yet with this edit that is exactly what this article has become a - a Yellow Pages for South West England. I'll give it a couple of days and if nobody beats me to it then I'll revert and trim a few more out. -- Bob Re-born ( talk) 18:33, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
Just noticed Zedland redirects here, but there's nothing relating to the name on the page. Googling I see a few sites claim Zedland is an old term for the West Counties (Cornwall, Devon, Dorset and Somerset) in South West England. It was called this because of the inhabitants pronunciation of S as Z. and another site that claims Zedland was old slang for the West Country (the counties of Cornwall, Devon, Somerset and Dorset). But don't appear themselves to be WP:RS. If this is true, and can be reliably sourced then perhaps it would be a suitable addition to the article, or at least some explanation of the term. Especially given the redirect exists. Number36 ( talk) 20:30, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
This Wiki is particularly poor when it comes to defining its terms. If it relates to the Civil Defence Region called the 'South West' then it should say so. I have heard it asserted that there is an 'official' South West region, yet I can find absolutely no evidence for this. There is certainly no constitutional basis for the seven-county region. What there definitely is however is the ex-Civil Defence region, that subsequently became the basis for both the Government Office (GO) area and also for the South West regional development agency (both of which are now defunct). It is also true that national statistics have been complied using the seven-county region.
However, there are also competing terms: West Country (which can mean anything from Cornwall and Devon, Cornwall, Devon, Somerset and Dorset, or even Bristol, Glos, Somerset and Wiltshore depending on who you ask!), 'The West', 'Mid West', Far South-West, Devon-and-Cornwall, Wessex (usually taken to be Devon, Somerset, Dorset and Wiltshire but excluding Cornwall and Glos), plenty has also been written about Cornwall being a separate region or quasi-region, and Devon has been taken as big enough to be considered on its own. The issue of Bournemouth and Poole has also been in and out of the press about its potential transfer to the Southeastern GO region in the past.
Then we have the difficulty of government institutions including the previous TECs, LSCs and NEDCs. There are also the EU-based programme areas from Objective 1 downwards, NUTS-regions and so on. Even in the 1960s and afterwards the shadowy 'South' region that included Dorset, Wilts, Oxfordshire and Hants made an occasional showing and Gloucestershire has periodically been included with the Midlands on various bodies. The 1973 local government reorganisation was also important: it created the (disliked) county of Avon which was part of the vogue for building nucleated 'city-states'.
Apologies for being long-winded about this but my point is that an article on 'Southwest England' should at least discuss the usefulness and limitations of the term 'Southwest' and list some of the evidence that both legitimises its usage and otherwise. Taking the 'Southwest' as read without discussing its coherence and cohesiveness as an entity seems very strange and entirely superficial. I welcome discussion on this issue and hope it might significantly improve this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Artowalos ( talk • contribs) 21:36, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
Hi, I’m Andrew Clark and I work at the Office for National Statistics in the UK.
We publish lots of infographics and I wonder if this one on South West of England ( https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Regional_profile_of_the_South_West.png) would be of interest for South_West_England
FYI, the full gallery, updated weekly, is here < https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Content_created_by_the_Office_for_National_Statistics>
All the best
Andrew Clark (smanders1982) 10 Dec 2013
Smanders1982 ( talk) 13:33, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Per this edit - later reverted - the region in fact does contain a small part of the New Forest national park, around Hamptworth in Wiltshire. It would probably give it undue weight to mention this in the lead (the region only fully contains two National Parks, Dartmoor and Exmoor), but it should probably be mentioned somewhere in the text. I'm not sure where - does anyone have any thoughts? Ghmyrtle ( talk) 07:38, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
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The format will be based on Wales's successful Awaken the Dragon which saw over 1000 article improvements and creations and 65 GAs/FAs. As with the Dragon contest, the focus is more on improving core articles and breathing new life into those older stale articles and stubs which might otherwise not get edited in years. All contributions, including new articles, are welcome though.
Work on any of the items at:
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Hello all. It's been a while since I've looked properly at this page but I'm wondering if it's now needed?
Intro - Is this still correct?
I thought the last government had formally abolished the regions. SWRDA has gone, the Government Office for the SW is now just a ministerial liaison unit and has devolved role. All the Southwest Councils have gone and they are now replaced by LEPS etc. or functions pulled back into government departments at the centre. Any views on this?
Overlapping Geograpical Pages: We also have West Country, Wessex, Wiltshire, Cornwall, Devon, etc. Q: Should/could this page be a stub with links to other pages?
Content: There is a great deal of (fairly broad) content on the page. Perhaps I'm being a little too critical, but the para on cream teas, the Eden Project and Enid Blyton seems a little..... eclectic? If it's needed still, would it be better too pull together all the literary-related material into something tighter? I am prepared to have a go at this if we decide to keep the page and no one objects.
Geography/History: I think I said this before, but I can't help wondering if these would be better kept on the relevant pages on Dartmoor, Exmoor, Blackmore Vale, Somerset Levels etc. and simply linked to. There seems to be quite a bit of duplication here. The same is true of the History section, lots of duplication.
Economics: As I understand it, government policy does not look at regional indicators. Please would someone who knows more on this comment? :-)
I think the options are:
1. Bring up to date, reflect that the relevant institutions have gone and add the LEPs etc. 2. Thin down and remove duplicated material, replace with links. 3. Replace with a stub page. 4. Other?
Best, Artowalos ( talk) 13:50, 11 June 2021 (UTC) Artowalos
Personally I support the changes that were made and think that they shouldn't have been reverted. However, I think we should be looking to get consensus on how all the English region pages should be modified to ensure consistency. Pick a wikiproject, e.g. UK politics, or England, from the list above. My suggestion is the England one. -- 10mmsocket ( talk) 11:10, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
This is an interesting discussion which I'm following closely. I have yet to form my own strong opinion about the way forward but I like all the contributions so far.
I have a favour to ask. Can one/some of you take a look at
North East England and in particular the lead section. There's a disruptive IP editor pushing his own POV on what should be in there. I'm probably already guilty of 3RR there and t.b.h. some fresh pairs of eyes and fingers on keyboards would really help expand the lead into something more befitting the article. Thanks. --
10mmsocket (
talk) 15:45, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
So, having had time to mull things over, and seeing a similar issue crop up at North East England, I have a suggestion.
That way the article contains what readers expect it to contain when they read the article ( WP:COMMONNAME), and we make it really easy for the rest of the stuff to be accessed with good cross-links. I think this would work for all English region articles in fact. Thoughts? Comments? -- 10mmsocket ( talk) 08:22, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirects West England and Western England and has thus listed them for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 June 2#West England until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Jay (talk) 20:53, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Talk:Regions of England regarding the official name of the region, as I believe that it is actually "South West", not "South West England". The thread is Talk:Regions of England § Some of the region article titles are wrong.. Thank you. Theknightwho ( talk) 04:57, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
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It was originally divided into just Avon, Cornwall, Devon, Dorset, Gloucestershire, Somerset, and Wiltshire.
I have changed this to It was previously divided... Avon was never an historic county, and only came into being in 1974.-- MichaelMaggs 08:50, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
The article on Gibraltar lists that area as part of the EU voting constituency of South West England. Could someone who is more knowledgeable on the subjesct please clear this up for me? - USArsnl 03:08, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
While I think the article name should remain South West England (because that's what most people will think of it as), the emboldened part of the opening paragraph should read ‘South West (or Government Office for the South West) is one of the regions of England . . . ’ since the word England does not form part of its title. The only region of England which includes the word is East of England. If no-one objects, I'd like to change this (and also the other region of England articles). - Heavens To Betsy 13:48, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
This section is fatuous and way too early in the article. Some of it belongs in a trivia section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.140.57.113 ( talk) 11:09, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
The sections on each county seem very brief in some cases: just listing large employers does not really tell you much about the economy.-- Felix Folio Secundus ( talk) 07:41, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Erm, can people not follow links to the individual county pages? Govynn ( talk) 19:48, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
Also if, for instance in the Somerset section, we include Yeo Valley Organic (for example), why don't we include every company listed in Category:Companies_based_in_Somerset? CS 46 16:01, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
I am furious with the childish and nasty anti-Cornish edits in this article. Removing Cornwall's status as one of the most deprived sub-regions in the UK and the suppression of the associated primary sources is playing blatant and malicious politics with socio-economic data. You know who you are. Stop it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Artowalos ( talk • contribs) 21:29, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
As part of the transport planning system the Regional Assembly is under statutory requirement to produce a Regional Transport Strategy to provide long term planning for transport in the region. This involves region wide transport schemes such as those carried out by the Highways Agency and Network Rail. [12] - now out of date, regional assemblies in England no longer exist (as of now (2011)) Govynn ( talk) 19:49, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
What evidence is there that Exeter acted as a "regional capital" of a region coextensive with the modern south west region? Govynn ( talk) 20:08, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
I have edited the Middle Ages section since it was implied by the previous version that there were natives of Devon or beyond who were British Celtic speakers in the Tudor period, the placename and documentary evidence would indicate that Cornish was restricted to west of the Tamar at least several centuries earlier. If anyone is aware of any evidence for a British Celtic speaking tradition persisting east of the Tamar this late you are welcome to add it back in if you can back it up. Govynn ( talk) 20:33, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
Also, does anyone with an interest in the English Civil War want to add some information about places beyond Somerset? Govynn ( talk) 20:33, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
The question has come up at Talk:West Country of the need for a better map of the region - showing some administrative boundaries, some towns, etc. As the term "West Country" cannot be satisfactorily defined, it seems to me that a map of the SW region would be preferable. Any views on this? Ghmyrtle ( talk) 11:48, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
WIkipedia is not a directory, yet with this edit that is exactly what this article has become a - a Yellow Pages for South West England. I'll give it a couple of days and if nobody beats me to it then I'll revert and trim a few more out. -- Bob Re-born ( talk) 18:33, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
Just noticed Zedland redirects here, but there's nothing relating to the name on the page. Googling I see a few sites claim Zedland is an old term for the West Counties (Cornwall, Devon, Dorset and Somerset) in South West England. It was called this because of the inhabitants pronunciation of S as Z. and another site that claims Zedland was old slang for the West Country (the counties of Cornwall, Devon, Somerset and Dorset). But don't appear themselves to be WP:RS. If this is true, and can be reliably sourced then perhaps it would be a suitable addition to the article, or at least some explanation of the term. Especially given the redirect exists. Number36 ( talk) 20:30, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
This Wiki is particularly poor when it comes to defining its terms. If it relates to the Civil Defence Region called the 'South West' then it should say so. I have heard it asserted that there is an 'official' South West region, yet I can find absolutely no evidence for this. There is certainly no constitutional basis for the seven-county region. What there definitely is however is the ex-Civil Defence region, that subsequently became the basis for both the Government Office (GO) area and also for the South West regional development agency (both of which are now defunct). It is also true that national statistics have been complied using the seven-county region.
However, there are also competing terms: West Country (which can mean anything from Cornwall and Devon, Cornwall, Devon, Somerset and Dorset, or even Bristol, Glos, Somerset and Wiltshore depending on who you ask!), 'The West', 'Mid West', Far South-West, Devon-and-Cornwall, Wessex (usually taken to be Devon, Somerset, Dorset and Wiltshire but excluding Cornwall and Glos), plenty has also been written about Cornwall being a separate region or quasi-region, and Devon has been taken as big enough to be considered on its own. The issue of Bournemouth and Poole has also been in and out of the press about its potential transfer to the Southeastern GO region in the past.
Then we have the difficulty of government institutions including the previous TECs, LSCs and NEDCs. There are also the EU-based programme areas from Objective 1 downwards, NUTS-regions and so on. Even in the 1960s and afterwards the shadowy 'South' region that included Dorset, Wilts, Oxfordshire and Hants made an occasional showing and Gloucestershire has periodically been included with the Midlands on various bodies. The 1973 local government reorganisation was also important: it created the (disliked) county of Avon which was part of the vogue for building nucleated 'city-states'.
Apologies for being long-winded about this but my point is that an article on 'Southwest England' should at least discuss the usefulness and limitations of the term 'Southwest' and list some of the evidence that both legitimises its usage and otherwise. Taking the 'Southwest' as read without discussing its coherence and cohesiveness as an entity seems very strange and entirely superficial. I welcome discussion on this issue and hope it might significantly improve this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Artowalos ( talk • contribs) 21:36, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
Hi, I’m Andrew Clark and I work at the Office for National Statistics in the UK.
We publish lots of infographics and I wonder if this one on South West of England ( https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Regional_profile_of_the_South_West.png) would be of interest for South_West_England
FYI, the full gallery, updated weekly, is here < https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Content_created_by_the_Office_for_National_Statistics>
All the best
Andrew Clark (smanders1982) 10 Dec 2013
Smanders1982 ( talk) 13:33, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Per this edit - later reverted - the region in fact does contain a small part of the New Forest national park, around Hamptworth in Wiltshire. It would probably give it undue weight to mention this in the lead (the region only fully contains two National Parks, Dartmoor and Exmoor), but it should probably be mentioned somewhere in the text. I'm not sure where - does anyone have any thoughts? Ghmyrtle ( talk) 07:38, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
Would you like to win up to £250 in Amazon vouchers for participating in The West Country Challenge?
The The West Country Challenge will take place from 8 to 28 August 2016. The idea is to create and improve articles about Bristol, Somerset, Devon, Cornwall and the Isles of Scilly, Dorset, Wiltshire and Gloucestershire, like this one.
The format will be based on Wales's successful Awaken the Dragon which saw over 1000 article improvements and creations and 65 GAs/FAs. As with the Dragon contest, the focus is more on improving core articles and breathing new life into those older stale articles and stubs which might otherwise not get edited in years. All contributions, including new articles, are welcome though.
Work on any of the items at:
or other articles relating to the area.
There will be sub contests focusing on particular areas:
To sign up or get more information visit the contest pages at Wikipedia:WikiProject England/The West Country Challenge.— Rod talk 15:57, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
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Hello all. It's been a while since I've looked properly at this page but I'm wondering if it's now needed?
Intro - Is this still correct?
I thought the last government had formally abolished the regions. SWRDA has gone, the Government Office for the SW is now just a ministerial liaison unit and has devolved role. All the Southwest Councils have gone and they are now replaced by LEPS etc. or functions pulled back into government departments at the centre. Any views on this?
Overlapping Geograpical Pages: We also have West Country, Wessex, Wiltshire, Cornwall, Devon, etc. Q: Should/could this page be a stub with links to other pages?
Content: There is a great deal of (fairly broad) content on the page. Perhaps I'm being a little too critical, but the para on cream teas, the Eden Project and Enid Blyton seems a little..... eclectic? If it's needed still, would it be better too pull together all the literary-related material into something tighter? I am prepared to have a go at this if we decide to keep the page and no one objects.
Geography/History: I think I said this before, but I can't help wondering if these would be better kept on the relevant pages on Dartmoor, Exmoor, Blackmore Vale, Somerset Levels etc. and simply linked to. There seems to be quite a bit of duplication here. The same is true of the History section, lots of duplication.
Economics: As I understand it, government policy does not look at regional indicators. Please would someone who knows more on this comment? :-)
I think the options are:
1. Bring up to date, reflect that the relevant institutions have gone and add the LEPs etc. 2. Thin down and remove duplicated material, replace with links. 3. Replace with a stub page. 4. Other?
Best, Artowalos ( talk) 13:50, 11 June 2021 (UTC) Artowalos
Personally I support the changes that were made and think that they shouldn't have been reverted. However, I think we should be looking to get consensus on how all the English region pages should be modified to ensure consistency. Pick a wikiproject, e.g. UK politics, or England, from the list above. My suggestion is the England one. -- 10mmsocket ( talk) 11:10, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
This is an interesting discussion which I'm following closely. I have yet to form my own strong opinion about the way forward but I like all the contributions so far.
I have a favour to ask. Can one/some of you take a look at
North East England and in particular the lead section. There's a disruptive IP editor pushing his own POV on what should be in there. I'm probably already guilty of 3RR there and t.b.h. some fresh pairs of eyes and fingers on keyboards would really help expand the lead into something more befitting the article. Thanks. --
10mmsocket (
talk) 15:45, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
So, having had time to mull things over, and seeing a similar issue crop up at North East England, I have a suggestion.
That way the article contains what readers expect it to contain when they read the article ( WP:COMMONNAME), and we make it really easy for the rest of the stuff to be accessed with good cross-links. I think this would work for all English region articles in fact. Thoughts? Comments? -- 10mmsocket ( talk) 08:22, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirects West England and Western England and has thus listed them for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 June 2#West England until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Jay (talk) 20:53, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Talk:Regions of England regarding the official name of the region, as I believe that it is actually "South West", not "South West England". The thread is Talk:Regions of England § Some of the region article titles are wrong.. Thank you. Theknightwho ( talk) 04:57, 1 August 2022 (UTC)