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i plan on expanding this page greatly soon, the full works too. before that however, i need help creating some kind of template, or a list of things that are a priority.
- la gaie 02:09, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
I think there is an obvious part that everybody wants to see, but should be talked about- the independence referendum. Also existing disputes between the two countries, such as Abyei, oil resources and even ethnicity disputes between the tribes. I found some good articles on the globe and mail website if you need references. MrMonday1 ( talk) 23:18, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
In the part of Establishment it does not mention Kush. I'm adding it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.3.179.161 ( talk) 07:06, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
When I was in Yei, most of the people I spoke with in the villages called themselves Kakua, and claimed that the majority of the people there are from the Kakua tribe. I'm curious to know why my reference to this was deleted from the page. hardpack 15:45, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
i would like to know why 141.168.126.44 on 22:33, 22 July 2005 deleted all mention of the Bari amongst nilotic tribes from the previous version (his own too!) justify yourself. i'm pretty sure the Bari are nilotic but prove me wrong. and even if not, why just delete them as if they don't exist?
- la gaie 02:31, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
I warmly welcome additions to this article, but I'm afraid I don't see much in the analysis that User:65.222.207.34 has added that isn't rather superficial and perhaps Amerocentric? (not to mention badly spelled and unsourced!). But I'll try to whip it into shape. (few minutes later:) I've cut most of the bits about the Arabic language and Islamist militancy, because frankly they make no sense. It's Khartoum and the Northern Sudan that have had links to Turabi and bin Laden; Arabic is not spoken in the South, except for a pidgin reputed to be unintelligible to most other Arabic speakers; and Islamism is quite unacceptable to both the political elites and the masses in this region where Christianity and tribal religions predominate. Quartier Latin1968 05:04, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
The language spoken in S. Sudan is Juba Arabic--QL's description is correct. hardpack 03:46, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
A recent edit inserted the following underlined content:
The Bari tribe is never mentioned in the article. If it exists it should be introduced earlier. Juba is given as the capital of Southern Sudan. What does it mean that the Bari Tribe is the heart of Juba? AxelBoldt 01:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
The text claims that English is the language of business and government, while the box to the right states that English and Arabic are official languages. Which is correct? AxelBoldt 02:01, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
internal constitution of Southern Sudan art6-1.“All indigenous languages of Southern Sudan are national languages and shall be respected, developed and promoted.” 6-2.“English and Arabic shall be the official working languages at the level of the governments of Southern Sudan and the States as well as languages of instruction for higher education.” 6-3.“There shall be no discrimination against the use of either English or Arabic at any level of government stage of education.” 6-4.“Without prejudice to sub-Article (3) above, and for practical considerations, English shall be the principal working language of government business in Southern Sudan.” 6-5.“In addition to English and Arabic, the legislature of any sub-level of government in Southern Sudan may adopt any other national language as an additional official working language or medium of instruction in schools at its level.” 6-6.“The Government of Southern Sudan shall promote the development of a sign language for the benefit of people with special needs.”
The Official langiages of Southern Sudan are English and Arabic. 58.237.222.195 12:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)korea
I live in Southern Sudan and I am fairly certain that the population figures are inaccurate. There are 15 million people living in Southern Sudan. Could you please give a source for the 11 million figure. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Scorea1982 ( talk • contribs) 15:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC).
Are there any names for the region besides "South Sudan"? What name will they most likely pick if they become independent in 2011 (surely they won't keep calling themselves "South Sudan") Lexington1 ( talk) 03:29, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Is it South Sudan or Southern Sudan? -- Ruang rak noi nid mahasan ( talk) 17:42, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Why not "Oily Sudan" or "Amoco/BP Sudan" That would be more accurate. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
87.114.1.113 (
talk) 04:51, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Can any place be POSITIVELY affected by a war on its territory? WeeWillieWiki ( talk) 02:20, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
The numbers for the stakes in blocks 3 and 7 don't add up to 100%. Is this due to a round-off error? WeeWillieWiki ( talk) 02:33, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
While I appreciate the work that has recently gone into the article, I have removed the {{ fact}} tags from the section already tagged with {{ unrefsect}}. These duplicate each other and the section tag is cleaner. The {{ specify}} tags do something different and remain. - Banyan Tree 03:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
I am trying to create a decent map of Southern Sudan in general and Central Equatoria that shows the States and counties by merging these two images; a satellite [1] image and a 'district map' [2] Some UN agencies have newer better maps but I don't know how to handle credit (my photoshop are kinda weak too) and if they're cool with all that. Can anyone help with this? la gaie ( talk) 16:01, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
I have removed the Bor massacre section as being so badly written, accusatory and unreferenced that it would be easier for an editor who knew what they were doing to start from nothing than attempt to rewrite the existing text to conform to site guidelines. - Banyan Tree 21:54, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm losing of all the reverts we have to be doing now. You obviously have something to contribute but you can't just lie! there are 10 states in Southern Sudan. The three areas are not part of the south yet if ever, that is the cold truth. Likewise, this is not an independent country. You keep making a number of blatant POV statements that you need to support. Bashir is the President of ALL of Sudan regardless of how you and I feel about him as well. These are just the facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by La gaie ( talk • contribs) 03:18, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
I think that soemone must create an article about Oil in Southern Sudan. Petroleum is the main subject of this region of Sudan today. Agre22 ( talk) 19:51, 3 January 2010 (UTC)agre22
Recent edits have introduced spelling and gramatical errors and non-conventional formatting into this article. Can editors please discuss/preview their edits on talk, if need be I can proof for style, spelling and grammar. Respectfully, RomaC ( talk) 13:39, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
This article is obviously locked and I don't know if this is the correct way to make a suggestion but the caption under the image of logs reads 'Loka teaks largest plantation in Sudan and Africa in particular' I think you mean 'Loka teaks largest plantation in AFRICA and SUDAN in particular' The other way doesn't make sense to me. To be honest it stills sounds odd but less odd, I guess.
I spotted this English language problem in the first two sentences: "Southern Sudan (officially known as the Government of Southern Sudan) is an autonomous government in Sudan. Juba is its capital city. It is bordered by Ethiopia to the east, Kenya, Uganda, and the Democratic Republic of the Congo to the south, and the Central African Republic to the west. To the north lies the predominantly Arab and Muslim region directly under the control of the central government, with its capital at Khartoum. Southern Sudan includes the vast swamp region of the Sudd formed by the White Nile, locally called the Bahr el Jebel."
i.e. in Sentence 1, we say that "Southern Sudan" is a "Government" but in sentence 2, we say that the Government is "bordered"...Governments are not geographical entities...they do not have borders...I will amend so as to provide in sentence 1 that "Southern Sudan" is a region...Thanks. 109.77.103.222 ( talk) 22:30, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Christianity is the main religion of Southern Sudan nowadays. Those CIA Factbook data claiming only 5% of the total population of Sudan is Christian are way out of date; it's more like 20% now (and around 75% of the population of Southern Sudan). 98.209.116.7 ( talk) 01:31, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
89.240.215.96 (
talk) 21:39, 12 January 2011 (UTC) If there is a more accurate figure, from an (at least) as credible reference for the early 1990s Christian population of southern Sudan than the library of congress one then please replace it.
89.240.221.108 ( talk) 08:49, 13 January 2011 (UTC) User Bezuidenhout deleted the following text:
giving the reason: "not only is the data for the WHOLE of Sudan, but it is also 20 years out of date, alot has changed since then, you are displaying a false image"
In response:
"not only is the data for the WHOLE of Sudan,"
The deleted text gives an estimate for "southern Sudan" and is taken directly from the referenced Library of Congress document where it can be checked in Chapter 2, Ethnicity, Regionalism and Ethnicity.
"but it is also 20 years out of date"
The deleted text states the estimate is for "the early 1990s". I'm not aware of a more up to date statistic for the popultation in the early 1990s that differs radically.
"alot has changed since then, you are displaying a false image"
A lot may have changed since the early 1990s, but the deleted text explicitly refers to the early 1990s.
Looks like there might be a missing or incomplete edit in this passage (see "a majority...in a minority"). I'm not familiar enough with the facts or the literature to fix it myself, but there seems to be a problem:
"Scholarly[75][76][77] and U.S. Department of State sources[11] state that a majority of southern Sudanese maintain traditional/indigenous beliefs with those following Christianity in a minority (albeit an influential one)." 84.185.184.73 ( talk) 06:12, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
As far as I can tell from the text of the Comprehensive Peace Agreement, southern Sudan's territory is bounded by the 1.1.1956 frontier. According to [3], this corresponds mostly to the northern boundaries of Bahr el Ghazal states, Unity and Upper Nile, but it also includes a part of South Darfur in the southern Sudanese territory. If this is true, then the maps in this article ought to be corrected.-- 84.108.213.97 ( talk) 12:18, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Will S.Sudan continue using the Sudanese pound after independence?
The number of External Links is flagged as being "excessive". I would remove all of them and start from scratch. Are there any suggestions as to which ones are worth keeping? Mtminchi08 ( talk) 02:40, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian ( talk) 22:05, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Southern Sudan → South Sudan — Proposing that this article be moved to "South Sudan" and that other articles such as Politics of Southern Sudan be moved correspondingly. Acording to The New York Times, the southern government has decided that the new state will be titled the "Republic of South Sudan", with an official announcement expected in February when the result of the referendum is announced, almost certainly to be in favour of independence. The national anthem South Sudan Oyee! has already been titled.
It is also worth noting that many media organisations use "South Sudan" rather than "Southern Sudan" ( Financial Times, BBC, Reuters, The Australian, The Economist, Telegraph etc.), although I should note that many organisations are inconsistant and use both interchangably depending on the writer. -- The Celestial City ( talk) 23:51, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Oppose - We should leave the page as Southern Sudan as this is the name of the autonomous region and autonomous government the page relates to. GoSS remains de jure and this page is about the autonomous region / government. When independence becomes a reality we should move the page to South Sudan if this is the short form name of the new state. Dn9ahx ( talk) 20:45, 30 January 2011 (UTC) Oppose - No rush. There is an official date for the change over, so this one should be easy. Something where there is coup would be more difficult. Also, I assume that several countries will recognize the new country on that date. user:mnw2000 20:58, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnJtOgHmd-Q&feature=youtube_gdata
We may want to start a subsection in Southern Sudan regarding the naming of the new country. user:mnw2000 20:54, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
What will it be once independent? Phil Ian Manning ( talk) 23:45, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
I would suggest that after the eventual split we should have two articles - historical for South Sudan pre-2011-split and regular for South-Sudan-New-Name after-2011-split. Alinor ( talk) 20:24, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
A "Former Country" article could be created similar to the article about the Southern Sudan Autonomous Region that existed between 1972 and 1983. Autonomous Government of Southern Sudan could be a suitable title for such a page. It could include a brief history section, a politics section describing the structure of the autonomous government and information about the referendum and independence process. Dn9ahx ( talk) 22:11, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
The article, at the moment, flips between US and UK English in terms of date formats and spellings. "A Defense Paper on Defence", "soccer" as well as other examples. As an Anglo-American I have no axe to grind either way, but is there a consensus as to in which this article was started? MrMarmite ( talk) 07:58, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
They quite interesting article and can be useful for distinguishing the difference, I use them when editing article written in AmEng. IJA ( talk) 21:32, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
It seems the reports so far were misleading – the states hold these »popular consultations« only over grievances with the implementation of the CPA, not about joining South Sudan. [5] Blue Nile has already held these consultations. [6] — Nightstallion 09:58, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
Can we please try and agree on a the Religion section? All media says "Predominantly Christian and Animist". We need to remove the early 1990s citation about "no more than 10% were Christian". We need to vaguely state that there is currently a majority religion, which is a mix of Christianity and Animism. Bezuidenhout ( talk) 00:08, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
There is a Geography section heading, then a flora and fauna sub-heading without any other sub-headings. There cannot be a heading with only one sub-heading. Either the geography section needs to be changed to include mountains, notable rivers, and other terain, or The geography heading should be removed leaving only the flora and fauna subheading. -- Ryan Vesey ( talk) 23:36, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
loca —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.186.253.91 ( talk) 05:33, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
The new name of Southern Sudan is South Sudan. The article's name should be changed to reflect this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.99.133.49 ( talk) 16:57, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
I have fixed the map of countries that plan to recongize S. Sudan. The fixes are: I have swiched the colors of the countries that plan to recongize to a dark green, which is similar to the Kosovo map. I have also removed Kosovo itself, since some of the coutries shaded in green (Russia, India, China, South Africa) do not recongize it. If Kosovo does end up recognizing S. Sudan, then I'll re-add it. Finnally I have fixed the N-S. Sudan border. I also plan to upload this map under the name Image:CountriesRecognizingSouthernSudan.PNG. I thought this would better to use after July. Hope this helps. - Thanks, Hos hie 00:51, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
I changed it (before signing in) to an orthographical map, albeit not a standard one. If any one can obtain or create a standard one for the new state of south sudan that'd be great, also one for Sudan with south sudan seperated -- Phil Ian Manning ( talk) 00:06, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Israeli officials in a parliamentary delegation in North America have stated that Israel shall recognize Southern Sudan as an independent state. They've also stated that once that state shall be declared independent - Israel will have full diplomatic relations with it. I cannot find an article in the English language that cites that - perhaps you can help me. - User:AvihooI — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.176.42.80 ( talk) 20:39, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
As I type this on 19th June 2011 10:47 UTC, Sudan is still only one country as a whole. Southern Sudan gets its independance on 9th July 2011. Therefore I have changed the word country to region in the Southern Sudan article and wish that it shall only be changed once 9th July has passed. It is only 20 days away so refrain from altering this until then. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.5.107.76 ( talk) 10:51, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
I think that article History of Southern Sudan should be written as soon as possible, because Southern Sudan will become independent on 9 July, and every independent African country has separate article about its history. I don't have enough knowledge about history of Southern Sudan to work on that article myself, so I appeal to editors with appropriate knowledge on the subject to do that. -- Sundostund ( talk) 12:46, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
At present the link brings you back to the Southern Sudan article, instead of to a new piece. I think the link should be deleted until the article is ready. Headhitter ( talk) 23:41, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
The reference has nothing to do with possible recognition by Finland, it's just an inivitation to a private independence celebration. I cannot find any source discussing the intentions of the Finnish government. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.214.5.4 ( talk) 18:02, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
Germany has officially recognized South Sudan (taking effect on July 9), see [7] -- DaQuirin ( talk) 10:38, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
It's a little over an hour until 9 July dawns on Juba. At that time, as I understand it, the relevant workpage linked at the top of this Talk page will be moved to South Sudan, the workpage for the Autonomous Government of Southern Sudan will be moved to Autonomous Government of Southern Sudan, and this page will be turned into a disambig redirecting to both. Until that time, Southern Sudan is a part of the sovereign Republic of Sudan and there is no such thing as the Republic of South Sudan.
I doubt it's reasonable to expect this to work out in an orderly fashion, but if we could all just have some patience and try to work in concert, that would be great. - Kudzu1 ( talk) 19:55, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
As I stated in my edit summary, the term "southern Sudan" can still refer to a part of the Republic of Sudan. Just because South Sudan is now an independent state doesn't mean (North) Sudan doesn't have a south. "Southern Sudan" can, for example, refer to parts of South Kordufan, South Darfur, and Blue Nile. - Kudzu1 ( talk) 07:25, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Why is the name also listed in Arabic? This is not an official language of South Sudan. I mean in some parts of Texas and Florida, Spanish is the Lingua Franca of those areas but we don't go around putting the Spanish name in those articles. By putting the name in Arabic, you're leading people to believe this is an official language of the country 99.184.222.51 ( talk) 13:35, 9 July 2011 (UTC)Bea Bryant
They should change the name of the country then... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.233.213.76 ( talk) 07:12, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
Is that really the flag? I could swear that official flags shown have thinner white stripes. Please check. -- Trickymaster ( talk) 21:15, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
The page history for this article is broken. It's now at the Southern Sudan article. - SimonP ( talk) 22:36, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
The map chosen to show state boundaries is out of date. (It is based on a map originally uploaded in 2006.) There are two Italian verisons ( 1, 2) that are more current. -- Lasunncty ( talk) 22:37, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
None of them show the new Sudan/South Sudan border. 96.233.134.228 ( talk) 23:47, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
Due to its recent change to a country this may cause a few people to want to make harmful edits to the page (as evidenced in the last few edits) so one suggestion would be to temporary lock it to registered users only.
Corrected vandels to vandals and due to Due. 173.210.125.42 ( talk) 12:30, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
It appears the official name of the new country is the Republic of South Sudan, as recently edited by LouisianaFan with a source for the information. Considering this to be true, should this page not be under Republic of South Sudan and South Sudan should redirect to it? CycloneGU ( talk) 01:07, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Why South Sudan used the word Sudan? Do they love Sudan? I thing they had war for decades! If the name the new country South Sudan (using the war Sudan), they give the right to Sudan for new attacks. If they don't like war the people of South Sudan, they must find a new name for the country, for example Pakistan was a part of India, Pakistani people feel totally seperated from India. In South Korea and Northern Korea, some people still want one nation. In the case of Sudan, the killings will never stop, so to use the word Sudan in South Sudan just gives one more reason for war, and war is the father of death and chaos. I would call South Sudan "Jubando" from the capital Juba. I would NEVER give the right for Sudan to invade to liberate the southern part of their same nation. I guess people of South Sudan love war, so they don't want to use a UNIQUE name like "Jubando", they use the name of an enemy country to give them a reason for war, a reason for Sudan to claim their Southern part. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.202.10.150 ( talk) 02:00, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
The Coat of Arms seem to have been misspelled. Can anyone get it renamed to what it needs to be? RowanQuigley ( talk) 03:13, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Should there be a seperate Wikipedia:WikiProject South Sudan, to take care of all articles related to South Sudan or should we just stick on to Wikipedia:WikiProject Sudan? Mar4d ( talk) 03:32, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
These need to be changed, and new categories created. I'll potter about and see what I can do based on the categories here, but I do not know all of them so will need backup. For example, "C-Class Sudan articles" is no longer correct for this article. CycloneGU ( talk) 04:06, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
The Republic of South Sudan is both an English-speaking country and a former British colony as well. Those 2 categories also need to be added as well. - ( 202.89.140.239 ( talk) 11:49, 9 July 2011 (UTC))
"Articles containing potentially dated statements from July 9 2011" - why is this on the article as a category? It can't be removed, either. CycloneGU ( talk) 18:33, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
At the moment, the Religion section seems to contradict itself, stating:
So, which is it? — ᚹᚩᛞᛖᚾᚻᛖᛚᛗ ( ᚷᛖᛋᛈᚱᛖᚳ) 05:35, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
I concur with CycloneGU; news television broadcasts today seem to agree with this also. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.188.157.51 ( talk) 09:16, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
We have a South Sudanese family living in an apartment in our house and they have celebrated all day. They clame that more or less all of South Sudan is Christian while Sudan is Muslim, and that this is one of the bases to the conflict between the north and south Sudan. I have no other sources than this verbal conversation. 212.251.180.166 ( talk) 00:24, 10 July 2011 (UTC)Anders
Should the sub-articles continue be redlinked or should the redlink be removed (specifically the "Main Artile" link) for the Geography, Economy, and Religion subsections? Perhaps WP is waiting for someone to create an article with this title? Does anyone have something in the work already? Your opinion? Bullmoosebell ( talk) 07:42, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
The time of independence is listed as "12:01 am". This seems to be an instance of the "American Minute" which is frequently introduced in the USA to deal with the ambiguity introduced by the 12-hour am/pm system. However, I have personally rarely seen it used outside the USA, and for example at BBC gives the time of independence as midnight (00:00) local time [9]. Hpa ( talk) 08:20, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
South Sudan became an independent state on 9 July 2011 at approximately 1.30 pm (Juba time) when the Declaration of Independence of South Sudan was read by the Rt. Hon. James Wani Igga, Speaker of the Southern Sudan Legislative Assembly. It was read at an open parliamentary session (sitting number 27-2011) of the Assembly in front of a large assembled audience at the Dr. John Garang Mausoleum in Juba, South Sudan. [2] [3]
CycloeGU - This is one of those many occasions when you have to exercise judgment. You have to consider the likelihood that prss reporters (among the many hundreds of sources you mention) really are too concerned with legal niceties...Then you have to provide an explanation as to why the Speaker declared the Declaration at an opens session of the Southern Sudan Legislative Assembly etc....You cannot simply treat all sources as equal. My source goes to the very man who read the Independence Declaration....The Holy See press release told us nothing at all. NelsonSudan ( talk) 18:24, 18 July 2011 (UTC) [10] — Preceding unsigned comment added by NelsonSudan ( talk • contribs) 18:30, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
“We, the democratically elected representatives of the people, based on the will of the people of South Sudan, and as confirmed by the outcome of the referendum of self-determination, hereby declare South Sudan to be an independent and sovereign nation,”
Doing a Google check gave me About 10,300 results....An example is this [11] But the quote is wrong. The Speaker actually said this:
“We, the democratically elected representatives of the people, based on the will of the people of Southern Sudan and as confirmed by the outcome of the referendum on self determination, hereby declare Southern Sudan to be an independent and sovereign state. “
Might be worthwhile to change the last sentence in the third paragraph in the introduction to: "South Sudan is expected to join the United Nations, African Union and the Commonwealth of Nations". The following link could be used as the source of information: http://talkofsudan.com/sudan/item/9001-south-sudan-launches-bid-to-join-commonwealth. -- 89.216.218.134 ( talk) 12:12, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Anyone know what is the most likely new Internet code for South Sudan? They want .ss, but it's Europe-centric so they probably won't get it because of the connotations. So what? .sd = Sudan, .sn = Senegal, .su = Soviet Union / Russia, .sa = Saudi Arabia... nothing logical left? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.255.251.170 ( talk) 16:03, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
I would like to point out that, as we heard ad nauseam in the case of Kosovo, South Sudan is "only" recognized by 24 countries and thus is not a "real" state. It is extremely premature to present it as an independent state. - Canadian Bobby ( talk) 16:16, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Yes, and the fact that Sudan has recognized South Sudan is totally insignificant. -- megA ( talk) 17:27, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
South Sudan is considered a lock to join the UN by early next week, as well as the AU and possibly the Arab League, the Non-Aligned Movement, and/or the Commonwealth of Nations. With Kosovo, a bunch of countries insisted they wouldn't recognize, and three and a half years later, international recognition of Kosovo is just about split down the middle. South Sudanese secession was noncontroversial, had the (begrudging) support of the Sudanese government, and is far more comparable to the separation of Montenegro from Serbia (then "Serbia and Montenegro") than to the unilateral declaration of independence by Kosovo. - Kudzu1 ( talk) 23:25, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
...according to BBC: [12] -- megA ( talk) 17:25, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
I noticed that Arabic has been re-added as an official language, with a comment in the history saying "CIA World Factbook lists Arabic as an official language", but the constitution of South Sudan lists only English as an official language, so who is correct, the CIA Factbook or the constitution of the country itself? -- 180.181.115.119 ( talk) 00:45, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Agree that only English should be listed. The Constitution of The Republic of South Sudan is the definitive source here. 84.203.40.1 ( talk) 21:35, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
In recent years Christian churches have grown a hostility which is frequently characterized as racism, rather than religious persecution, between the predominantly Arab North and the black African South.
This claim doesn't seem to be backed up by the sources given. The Christian science monitor (one source) is more nuanced: Originally, the Nilotic peoples were indifferent to Christianity, but in the latter half of the twentieth century many people in the educated elite embraced its tenets, at least superficially. English and Christianity have become symbols of resistance to the Muslim government in the north, which has vowed to destroy both. Unlike the early civil strife of the 1960s and 1970s, the insurgency in the 1980s and the 1990s has taken on a more religiously confrontational character [14] The statement above should be rephrased. Gugganij ( talk) 11:22, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
In recent years Christian churches have grown a hostility which is frequently characterized as racism, rather than religious persecution, between the predominantly Arab North and the black African South.
Agreed, the source doesn't say anything at all that would support this statement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.31.129.151 ( talk) 18:31, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
"Most oilfields in South Sudan are owned by companies affiliated with the PRC..."
PRC should be changed to China. 173.210.125.42 ( talk) 12:42, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
i suggest replacing the statement "Geographical barriers protected the southerners from Islam's advance, enabling them to retain their social and cultural heritage and their political and religious institutions." to "Geographical barriers prevented spread of Islam to the southerners thus saving southerner culture's from foreign influence". because the word "protect" give the feel that islam is dangerous as if it were an epidemic! — Preceding unsigned comment added by باسم المصرى ( talk • contribs) 18:13, 10 July 2011 (UTC) Correct you are; changed it. Sir Brightypup II 21:14, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
In the media many are using southern Sudan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.103.145 ( talk) 18:58, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
It used to be Southern Sudan, before independence. In the English language, as far as geographic names go, a compass direction without an ending (North, South, East, West) is for the name of a land, but an ending is used for an area within a land. (western Virginia is not West Virginia, for example). — ᚹᚩᛞᛖᚾᚻᛖᛚᛗ ( ᚷᛖᛋᛈᚱᛖᚳ) 05:50, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
its "Republic of the Sudan; the article needs fixing. 84.203.40.1 ( talk) 21:01, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
The claim that the official name includes the definite article has already been introduced above. However, there has been enough discussion and enough editing to warrant the creation of this subsection.
The notion that the official name is The Republic of South Sudan instead of Republic of South Sudan is a counter-common sense notion being promoted by some nerdy editors some of who have demonstrated their ignorance (one said, "Brazil is more than just 'Brazil'? . . . LOL"). I wonder how many of these editors are adults. The claim relies on what I have elsewhere called "quote mongering".
Interested editors are referred to the U.S. Department of State's list of short form and long form country names. Hurmata ( talk) 04:25, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
It is worth noting that elsewhere in the constitution, the definite article is not capitalized. This may come down to a style preference. - Kudzu1 ( talk) 04:56, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
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i plan on expanding this page greatly soon, the full works too. before that however, i need help creating some kind of template, or a list of things that are a priority.
- la gaie 02:09, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
I think there is an obvious part that everybody wants to see, but should be talked about- the independence referendum. Also existing disputes between the two countries, such as Abyei, oil resources and even ethnicity disputes between the tribes. I found some good articles on the globe and mail website if you need references. MrMonday1 ( talk) 23:18, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
In the part of Establishment it does not mention Kush. I'm adding it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.3.179.161 ( talk) 07:06, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
When I was in Yei, most of the people I spoke with in the villages called themselves Kakua, and claimed that the majority of the people there are from the Kakua tribe. I'm curious to know why my reference to this was deleted from the page. hardpack 15:45, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
i would like to know why 141.168.126.44 on 22:33, 22 July 2005 deleted all mention of the Bari amongst nilotic tribes from the previous version (his own too!) justify yourself. i'm pretty sure the Bari are nilotic but prove me wrong. and even if not, why just delete them as if they don't exist?
- la gaie 02:31, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
I warmly welcome additions to this article, but I'm afraid I don't see much in the analysis that User:65.222.207.34 has added that isn't rather superficial and perhaps Amerocentric? (not to mention badly spelled and unsourced!). But I'll try to whip it into shape. (few minutes later:) I've cut most of the bits about the Arabic language and Islamist militancy, because frankly they make no sense. It's Khartoum and the Northern Sudan that have had links to Turabi and bin Laden; Arabic is not spoken in the South, except for a pidgin reputed to be unintelligible to most other Arabic speakers; and Islamism is quite unacceptable to both the political elites and the masses in this region where Christianity and tribal religions predominate. Quartier Latin1968 05:04, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
The language spoken in S. Sudan is Juba Arabic--QL's description is correct. hardpack 03:46, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
A recent edit inserted the following underlined content:
The Bari tribe is never mentioned in the article. If it exists it should be introduced earlier. Juba is given as the capital of Southern Sudan. What does it mean that the Bari Tribe is the heart of Juba? AxelBoldt 01:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
The text claims that English is the language of business and government, while the box to the right states that English and Arabic are official languages. Which is correct? AxelBoldt 02:01, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
internal constitution of Southern Sudan art6-1.“All indigenous languages of Southern Sudan are national languages and shall be respected, developed and promoted.” 6-2.“English and Arabic shall be the official working languages at the level of the governments of Southern Sudan and the States as well as languages of instruction for higher education.” 6-3.“There shall be no discrimination against the use of either English or Arabic at any level of government stage of education.” 6-4.“Without prejudice to sub-Article (3) above, and for practical considerations, English shall be the principal working language of government business in Southern Sudan.” 6-5.“In addition to English and Arabic, the legislature of any sub-level of government in Southern Sudan may adopt any other national language as an additional official working language or medium of instruction in schools at its level.” 6-6.“The Government of Southern Sudan shall promote the development of a sign language for the benefit of people with special needs.”
The Official langiages of Southern Sudan are English and Arabic. 58.237.222.195 12:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)korea
I live in Southern Sudan and I am fairly certain that the population figures are inaccurate. There are 15 million people living in Southern Sudan. Could you please give a source for the 11 million figure. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Scorea1982 ( talk • contribs) 15:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC).
Are there any names for the region besides "South Sudan"? What name will they most likely pick if they become independent in 2011 (surely they won't keep calling themselves "South Sudan") Lexington1 ( talk) 03:29, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Is it South Sudan or Southern Sudan? -- Ruang rak noi nid mahasan ( talk) 17:42, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Why not "Oily Sudan" or "Amoco/BP Sudan" That would be more accurate. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
87.114.1.113 (
talk) 04:51, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Can any place be POSITIVELY affected by a war on its territory? WeeWillieWiki ( talk) 02:20, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
The numbers for the stakes in blocks 3 and 7 don't add up to 100%. Is this due to a round-off error? WeeWillieWiki ( talk) 02:33, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
While I appreciate the work that has recently gone into the article, I have removed the {{ fact}} tags from the section already tagged with {{ unrefsect}}. These duplicate each other and the section tag is cleaner. The {{ specify}} tags do something different and remain. - Banyan Tree 03:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
I am trying to create a decent map of Southern Sudan in general and Central Equatoria that shows the States and counties by merging these two images; a satellite [1] image and a 'district map' [2] Some UN agencies have newer better maps but I don't know how to handle credit (my photoshop are kinda weak too) and if they're cool with all that. Can anyone help with this? la gaie ( talk) 16:01, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
I have removed the Bor massacre section as being so badly written, accusatory and unreferenced that it would be easier for an editor who knew what they were doing to start from nothing than attempt to rewrite the existing text to conform to site guidelines. - Banyan Tree 21:54, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm losing of all the reverts we have to be doing now. You obviously have something to contribute but you can't just lie! there are 10 states in Southern Sudan. The three areas are not part of the south yet if ever, that is the cold truth. Likewise, this is not an independent country. You keep making a number of blatant POV statements that you need to support. Bashir is the President of ALL of Sudan regardless of how you and I feel about him as well. These are just the facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by La gaie ( talk • contribs) 03:18, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
I think that soemone must create an article about Oil in Southern Sudan. Petroleum is the main subject of this region of Sudan today. Agre22 ( talk) 19:51, 3 January 2010 (UTC)agre22
Recent edits have introduced spelling and gramatical errors and non-conventional formatting into this article. Can editors please discuss/preview their edits on talk, if need be I can proof for style, spelling and grammar. Respectfully, RomaC ( talk) 13:39, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
This article is obviously locked and I don't know if this is the correct way to make a suggestion but the caption under the image of logs reads 'Loka teaks largest plantation in Sudan and Africa in particular' I think you mean 'Loka teaks largest plantation in AFRICA and SUDAN in particular' The other way doesn't make sense to me. To be honest it stills sounds odd but less odd, I guess.
I spotted this English language problem in the first two sentences: "Southern Sudan (officially known as the Government of Southern Sudan) is an autonomous government in Sudan. Juba is its capital city. It is bordered by Ethiopia to the east, Kenya, Uganda, and the Democratic Republic of the Congo to the south, and the Central African Republic to the west. To the north lies the predominantly Arab and Muslim region directly under the control of the central government, with its capital at Khartoum. Southern Sudan includes the vast swamp region of the Sudd formed by the White Nile, locally called the Bahr el Jebel."
i.e. in Sentence 1, we say that "Southern Sudan" is a "Government" but in sentence 2, we say that the Government is "bordered"...Governments are not geographical entities...they do not have borders...I will amend so as to provide in sentence 1 that "Southern Sudan" is a region...Thanks. 109.77.103.222 ( talk) 22:30, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Christianity is the main religion of Southern Sudan nowadays. Those CIA Factbook data claiming only 5% of the total population of Sudan is Christian are way out of date; it's more like 20% now (and around 75% of the population of Southern Sudan). 98.209.116.7 ( talk) 01:31, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
89.240.215.96 (
talk) 21:39, 12 January 2011 (UTC) If there is a more accurate figure, from an (at least) as credible reference for the early 1990s Christian population of southern Sudan than the library of congress one then please replace it.
89.240.221.108 ( talk) 08:49, 13 January 2011 (UTC) User Bezuidenhout deleted the following text:
giving the reason: "not only is the data for the WHOLE of Sudan, but it is also 20 years out of date, alot has changed since then, you are displaying a false image"
In response:
"not only is the data for the WHOLE of Sudan,"
The deleted text gives an estimate for "southern Sudan" and is taken directly from the referenced Library of Congress document where it can be checked in Chapter 2, Ethnicity, Regionalism and Ethnicity.
"but it is also 20 years out of date"
The deleted text states the estimate is for "the early 1990s". I'm not aware of a more up to date statistic for the popultation in the early 1990s that differs radically.
"alot has changed since then, you are displaying a false image"
A lot may have changed since the early 1990s, but the deleted text explicitly refers to the early 1990s.
Looks like there might be a missing or incomplete edit in this passage (see "a majority...in a minority"). I'm not familiar enough with the facts or the literature to fix it myself, but there seems to be a problem:
"Scholarly[75][76][77] and U.S. Department of State sources[11] state that a majority of southern Sudanese maintain traditional/indigenous beliefs with those following Christianity in a minority (albeit an influential one)." 84.185.184.73 ( talk) 06:12, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
As far as I can tell from the text of the Comprehensive Peace Agreement, southern Sudan's territory is bounded by the 1.1.1956 frontier. According to [3], this corresponds mostly to the northern boundaries of Bahr el Ghazal states, Unity and Upper Nile, but it also includes a part of South Darfur in the southern Sudanese territory. If this is true, then the maps in this article ought to be corrected.-- 84.108.213.97 ( talk) 12:18, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Will S.Sudan continue using the Sudanese pound after independence?
The number of External Links is flagged as being "excessive". I would remove all of them and start from scratch. Are there any suggestions as to which ones are worth keeping? Mtminchi08 ( talk) 02:40, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian ( talk) 22:05, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Southern Sudan → South Sudan — Proposing that this article be moved to "South Sudan" and that other articles such as Politics of Southern Sudan be moved correspondingly. Acording to The New York Times, the southern government has decided that the new state will be titled the "Republic of South Sudan", with an official announcement expected in February when the result of the referendum is announced, almost certainly to be in favour of independence. The national anthem South Sudan Oyee! has already been titled.
It is also worth noting that many media organisations use "South Sudan" rather than "Southern Sudan" ( Financial Times, BBC, Reuters, The Australian, The Economist, Telegraph etc.), although I should note that many organisations are inconsistant and use both interchangably depending on the writer. -- The Celestial City ( talk) 23:51, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Oppose - We should leave the page as Southern Sudan as this is the name of the autonomous region and autonomous government the page relates to. GoSS remains de jure and this page is about the autonomous region / government. When independence becomes a reality we should move the page to South Sudan if this is the short form name of the new state. Dn9ahx ( talk) 20:45, 30 January 2011 (UTC) Oppose - No rush. There is an official date for the change over, so this one should be easy. Something where there is coup would be more difficult. Also, I assume that several countries will recognize the new country on that date. user:mnw2000 20:58, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnJtOgHmd-Q&feature=youtube_gdata
We may want to start a subsection in Southern Sudan regarding the naming of the new country. user:mnw2000 20:54, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
What will it be once independent? Phil Ian Manning ( talk) 23:45, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
I would suggest that after the eventual split we should have two articles - historical for South Sudan pre-2011-split and regular for South-Sudan-New-Name after-2011-split. Alinor ( talk) 20:24, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
A "Former Country" article could be created similar to the article about the Southern Sudan Autonomous Region that existed between 1972 and 1983. Autonomous Government of Southern Sudan could be a suitable title for such a page. It could include a brief history section, a politics section describing the structure of the autonomous government and information about the referendum and independence process. Dn9ahx ( talk) 22:11, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
The article, at the moment, flips between US and UK English in terms of date formats and spellings. "A Defense Paper on Defence", "soccer" as well as other examples. As an Anglo-American I have no axe to grind either way, but is there a consensus as to in which this article was started? MrMarmite ( talk) 07:58, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
They quite interesting article and can be useful for distinguishing the difference, I use them when editing article written in AmEng. IJA ( talk) 21:32, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
It seems the reports so far were misleading – the states hold these »popular consultations« only over grievances with the implementation of the CPA, not about joining South Sudan. [5] Blue Nile has already held these consultations. [6] — Nightstallion 09:58, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
Can we please try and agree on a the Religion section? All media says "Predominantly Christian and Animist". We need to remove the early 1990s citation about "no more than 10% were Christian". We need to vaguely state that there is currently a majority religion, which is a mix of Christianity and Animism. Bezuidenhout ( talk) 00:08, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
There is a Geography section heading, then a flora and fauna sub-heading without any other sub-headings. There cannot be a heading with only one sub-heading. Either the geography section needs to be changed to include mountains, notable rivers, and other terain, or The geography heading should be removed leaving only the flora and fauna subheading. -- Ryan Vesey ( talk) 23:36, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
loca —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.186.253.91 ( talk) 05:33, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
The new name of Southern Sudan is South Sudan. The article's name should be changed to reflect this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.99.133.49 ( talk) 16:57, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
I have fixed the map of countries that plan to recongize S. Sudan. The fixes are: I have swiched the colors of the countries that plan to recongize to a dark green, which is similar to the Kosovo map. I have also removed Kosovo itself, since some of the coutries shaded in green (Russia, India, China, South Africa) do not recongize it. If Kosovo does end up recognizing S. Sudan, then I'll re-add it. Finnally I have fixed the N-S. Sudan border. I also plan to upload this map under the name Image:CountriesRecognizingSouthernSudan.PNG. I thought this would better to use after July. Hope this helps. - Thanks, Hos hie 00:51, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
I changed it (before signing in) to an orthographical map, albeit not a standard one. If any one can obtain or create a standard one for the new state of south sudan that'd be great, also one for Sudan with south sudan seperated -- Phil Ian Manning ( talk) 00:06, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Israeli officials in a parliamentary delegation in North America have stated that Israel shall recognize Southern Sudan as an independent state. They've also stated that once that state shall be declared independent - Israel will have full diplomatic relations with it. I cannot find an article in the English language that cites that - perhaps you can help me. - User:AvihooI — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.176.42.80 ( talk) 20:39, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
As I type this on 19th June 2011 10:47 UTC, Sudan is still only one country as a whole. Southern Sudan gets its independance on 9th July 2011. Therefore I have changed the word country to region in the Southern Sudan article and wish that it shall only be changed once 9th July has passed. It is only 20 days away so refrain from altering this until then. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.5.107.76 ( talk) 10:51, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
I think that article History of Southern Sudan should be written as soon as possible, because Southern Sudan will become independent on 9 July, and every independent African country has separate article about its history. I don't have enough knowledge about history of Southern Sudan to work on that article myself, so I appeal to editors with appropriate knowledge on the subject to do that. -- Sundostund ( talk) 12:46, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
At present the link brings you back to the Southern Sudan article, instead of to a new piece. I think the link should be deleted until the article is ready. Headhitter ( talk) 23:41, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
The reference has nothing to do with possible recognition by Finland, it's just an inivitation to a private independence celebration. I cannot find any source discussing the intentions of the Finnish government. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.214.5.4 ( talk) 18:02, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
Germany has officially recognized South Sudan (taking effect on July 9), see [7] -- DaQuirin ( talk) 10:38, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
It's a little over an hour until 9 July dawns on Juba. At that time, as I understand it, the relevant workpage linked at the top of this Talk page will be moved to South Sudan, the workpage for the Autonomous Government of Southern Sudan will be moved to Autonomous Government of Southern Sudan, and this page will be turned into a disambig redirecting to both. Until that time, Southern Sudan is a part of the sovereign Republic of Sudan and there is no such thing as the Republic of South Sudan.
I doubt it's reasonable to expect this to work out in an orderly fashion, but if we could all just have some patience and try to work in concert, that would be great. - Kudzu1 ( talk) 19:55, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
As I stated in my edit summary, the term "southern Sudan" can still refer to a part of the Republic of Sudan. Just because South Sudan is now an independent state doesn't mean (North) Sudan doesn't have a south. "Southern Sudan" can, for example, refer to parts of South Kordufan, South Darfur, and Blue Nile. - Kudzu1 ( talk) 07:25, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Why is the name also listed in Arabic? This is not an official language of South Sudan. I mean in some parts of Texas and Florida, Spanish is the Lingua Franca of those areas but we don't go around putting the Spanish name in those articles. By putting the name in Arabic, you're leading people to believe this is an official language of the country 99.184.222.51 ( talk) 13:35, 9 July 2011 (UTC)Bea Bryant
They should change the name of the country then... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.233.213.76 ( talk) 07:12, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
Is that really the flag? I could swear that official flags shown have thinner white stripes. Please check. -- Trickymaster ( talk) 21:15, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
The page history for this article is broken. It's now at the Southern Sudan article. - SimonP ( talk) 22:36, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
The map chosen to show state boundaries is out of date. (It is based on a map originally uploaded in 2006.) There are two Italian verisons ( 1, 2) that are more current. -- Lasunncty ( talk) 22:37, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
None of them show the new Sudan/South Sudan border. 96.233.134.228 ( talk) 23:47, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
Due to its recent change to a country this may cause a few people to want to make harmful edits to the page (as evidenced in the last few edits) so one suggestion would be to temporary lock it to registered users only.
Corrected vandels to vandals and due to Due. 173.210.125.42 ( talk) 12:30, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
It appears the official name of the new country is the Republic of South Sudan, as recently edited by LouisianaFan with a source for the information. Considering this to be true, should this page not be under Republic of South Sudan and South Sudan should redirect to it? CycloneGU ( talk) 01:07, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Why South Sudan used the word Sudan? Do they love Sudan? I thing they had war for decades! If the name the new country South Sudan (using the war Sudan), they give the right to Sudan for new attacks. If they don't like war the people of South Sudan, they must find a new name for the country, for example Pakistan was a part of India, Pakistani people feel totally seperated from India. In South Korea and Northern Korea, some people still want one nation. In the case of Sudan, the killings will never stop, so to use the word Sudan in South Sudan just gives one more reason for war, and war is the father of death and chaos. I would call South Sudan "Jubando" from the capital Juba. I would NEVER give the right for Sudan to invade to liberate the southern part of their same nation. I guess people of South Sudan love war, so they don't want to use a UNIQUE name like "Jubando", they use the name of an enemy country to give them a reason for war, a reason for Sudan to claim their Southern part. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.202.10.150 ( talk) 02:00, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
The Coat of Arms seem to have been misspelled. Can anyone get it renamed to what it needs to be? RowanQuigley ( talk) 03:13, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Should there be a seperate Wikipedia:WikiProject South Sudan, to take care of all articles related to South Sudan or should we just stick on to Wikipedia:WikiProject Sudan? Mar4d ( talk) 03:32, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
These need to be changed, and new categories created. I'll potter about and see what I can do based on the categories here, but I do not know all of them so will need backup. For example, "C-Class Sudan articles" is no longer correct for this article. CycloneGU ( talk) 04:06, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
The Republic of South Sudan is both an English-speaking country and a former British colony as well. Those 2 categories also need to be added as well. - ( 202.89.140.239 ( talk) 11:49, 9 July 2011 (UTC))
"Articles containing potentially dated statements from July 9 2011" - why is this on the article as a category? It can't be removed, either. CycloneGU ( talk) 18:33, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
At the moment, the Religion section seems to contradict itself, stating:
So, which is it? — ᚹᚩᛞᛖᚾᚻᛖᛚᛗ ( ᚷᛖᛋᛈᚱᛖᚳ) 05:35, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
I concur with CycloneGU; news television broadcasts today seem to agree with this also. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.188.157.51 ( talk) 09:16, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
We have a South Sudanese family living in an apartment in our house and they have celebrated all day. They clame that more or less all of South Sudan is Christian while Sudan is Muslim, and that this is one of the bases to the conflict between the north and south Sudan. I have no other sources than this verbal conversation. 212.251.180.166 ( talk) 00:24, 10 July 2011 (UTC)Anders
Should the sub-articles continue be redlinked or should the redlink be removed (specifically the "Main Artile" link) for the Geography, Economy, and Religion subsections? Perhaps WP is waiting for someone to create an article with this title? Does anyone have something in the work already? Your opinion? Bullmoosebell ( talk) 07:42, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
The time of independence is listed as "12:01 am". This seems to be an instance of the "American Minute" which is frequently introduced in the USA to deal with the ambiguity introduced by the 12-hour am/pm system. However, I have personally rarely seen it used outside the USA, and for example at BBC gives the time of independence as midnight (00:00) local time [9]. Hpa ( talk) 08:20, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
South Sudan became an independent state on 9 July 2011 at approximately 1.30 pm (Juba time) when the Declaration of Independence of South Sudan was read by the Rt. Hon. James Wani Igga, Speaker of the Southern Sudan Legislative Assembly. It was read at an open parliamentary session (sitting number 27-2011) of the Assembly in front of a large assembled audience at the Dr. John Garang Mausoleum in Juba, South Sudan. [2] [3]
CycloeGU - This is one of those many occasions when you have to exercise judgment. You have to consider the likelihood that prss reporters (among the many hundreds of sources you mention) really are too concerned with legal niceties...Then you have to provide an explanation as to why the Speaker declared the Declaration at an opens session of the Southern Sudan Legislative Assembly etc....You cannot simply treat all sources as equal. My source goes to the very man who read the Independence Declaration....The Holy See press release told us nothing at all. NelsonSudan ( talk) 18:24, 18 July 2011 (UTC) [10] — Preceding unsigned comment added by NelsonSudan ( talk • contribs) 18:30, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
“We, the democratically elected representatives of the people, based on the will of the people of South Sudan, and as confirmed by the outcome of the referendum of self-determination, hereby declare South Sudan to be an independent and sovereign nation,”
Doing a Google check gave me About 10,300 results....An example is this [11] But the quote is wrong. The Speaker actually said this:
“We, the democratically elected representatives of the people, based on the will of the people of Southern Sudan and as confirmed by the outcome of the referendum on self determination, hereby declare Southern Sudan to be an independent and sovereign state. “
Might be worthwhile to change the last sentence in the third paragraph in the introduction to: "South Sudan is expected to join the United Nations, African Union and the Commonwealth of Nations". The following link could be used as the source of information: http://talkofsudan.com/sudan/item/9001-south-sudan-launches-bid-to-join-commonwealth. -- 89.216.218.134 ( talk) 12:12, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Anyone know what is the most likely new Internet code for South Sudan? They want .ss, but it's Europe-centric so they probably won't get it because of the connotations. So what? .sd = Sudan, .sn = Senegal, .su = Soviet Union / Russia, .sa = Saudi Arabia... nothing logical left? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.255.251.170 ( talk) 16:03, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
I would like to point out that, as we heard ad nauseam in the case of Kosovo, South Sudan is "only" recognized by 24 countries and thus is not a "real" state. It is extremely premature to present it as an independent state. - Canadian Bobby ( talk) 16:16, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Yes, and the fact that Sudan has recognized South Sudan is totally insignificant. -- megA ( talk) 17:27, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
South Sudan is considered a lock to join the UN by early next week, as well as the AU and possibly the Arab League, the Non-Aligned Movement, and/or the Commonwealth of Nations. With Kosovo, a bunch of countries insisted they wouldn't recognize, and three and a half years later, international recognition of Kosovo is just about split down the middle. South Sudanese secession was noncontroversial, had the (begrudging) support of the Sudanese government, and is far more comparable to the separation of Montenegro from Serbia (then "Serbia and Montenegro") than to the unilateral declaration of independence by Kosovo. - Kudzu1 ( talk) 23:25, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
...according to BBC: [12] -- megA ( talk) 17:25, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
I noticed that Arabic has been re-added as an official language, with a comment in the history saying "CIA World Factbook lists Arabic as an official language", but the constitution of South Sudan lists only English as an official language, so who is correct, the CIA Factbook or the constitution of the country itself? -- 180.181.115.119 ( talk) 00:45, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Agree that only English should be listed. The Constitution of The Republic of South Sudan is the definitive source here. 84.203.40.1 ( talk) 21:35, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
In recent years Christian churches have grown a hostility which is frequently characterized as racism, rather than religious persecution, between the predominantly Arab North and the black African South.
This claim doesn't seem to be backed up by the sources given. The Christian science monitor (one source) is more nuanced: Originally, the Nilotic peoples were indifferent to Christianity, but in the latter half of the twentieth century many people in the educated elite embraced its tenets, at least superficially. English and Christianity have become symbols of resistance to the Muslim government in the north, which has vowed to destroy both. Unlike the early civil strife of the 1960s and 1970s, the insurgency in the 1980s and the 1990s has taken on a more religiously confrontational character [14] The statement above should be rephrased. Gugganij ( talk) 11:22, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
In recent years Christian churches have grown a hostility which is frequently characterized as racism, rather than religious persecution, between the predominantly Arab North and the black African South.
Agreed, the source doesn't say anything at all that would support this statement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.31.129.151 ( talk) 18:31, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
"Most oilfields in South Sudan are owned by companies affiliated with the PRC..."
PRC should be changed to China. 173.210.125.42 ( talk) 12:42, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
i suggest replacing the statement "Geographical barriers protected the southerners from Islam's advance, enabling them to retain their social and cultural heritage and their political and religious institutions." to "Geographical barriers prevented spread of Islam to the southerners thus saving southerner culture's from foreign influence". because the word "protect" give the feel that islam is dangerous as if it were an epidemic! — Preceding unsigned comment added by باسم المصرى ( talk • contribs) 18:13, 10 July 2011 (UTC) Correct you are; changed it. Sir Brightypup II 21:14, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
In the media many are using southern Sudan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.103.145 ( talk) 18:58, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
It used to be Southern Sudan, before independence. In the English language, as far as geographic names go, a compass direction without an ending (North, South, East, West) is for the name of a land, but an ending is used for an area within a land. (western Virginia is not West Virginia, for example). — ᚹᚩᛞᛖᚾᚻᛖᛚᛗ ( ᚷᛖᛋᛈᚱᛖᚳ) 05:50, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
its "Republic of the Sudan; the article needs fixing. 84.203.40.1 ( talk) 21:01, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
The claim that the official name includes the definite article has already been introduced above. However, there has been enough discussion and enough editing to warrant the creation of this subsection.
The notion that the official name is The Republic of South Sudan instead of Republic of South Sudan is a counter-common sense notion being promoted by some nerdy editors some of who have demonstrated their ignorance (one said, "Brazil is more than just 'Brazil'? . . . LOL"). I wonder how many of these editors are adults. The claim relies on what I have elsewhere called "quote mongering".
Interested editors are referred to the U.S. Department of State's list of short form and long form country names. Hurmata ( talk) 04:25, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
It is worth noting that elsewhere in the constitution, the definite article is not capitalized. This may come down to a style preference. - Kudzu1 ( talk) 04:56, 14 July 2011 (UTC)