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A bunch of articles from the South Park page have been deleted! I think we need to have this article locked because of vandalism. - W.A.C. (7/25/06)
On wikipedia, they say Tweek is a major character and a minor character. Does he belong in both and if so, shouldn't he be put into the main characters list that's put on the bottom of the page? - W.A.C. (7/20/06)
Some jerk took out the references so I readded them. - W.A.C. (7/15/06)
The article says: He is the epitome of evil. Everything he does is self serving. Every episode in which he appears to be doing something good ends with his true motives being revealed. This is particularly evident in the two part episode Do the Handicapped Go to Hell?.
But that's not really true, there have been a few episodes were Cartman has done some things that weren't self serving, such as the Jackavsaurus (sp?), and Chef's last episode.
Now it calls him a Cockroach? This page has an anti-Cartman bias. RG1985 05:33, 26 July 2006
Yes, and it also calls him stupid, which is not the case. Look at his elaborate scheme in Scott Tenormen Must Die. I also want the word "cockroach" removed. Two many words describing him at the beginning.
Every time I go to this page, there are less and less pictures. There used to be over ten, but now all I see is three (including the main picture on the infobox). What's the deal? Is it copyright issues or what? Zone46 02:23, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
"In 2006, Comedy Central would not allow South Park to show an image of the Islamic prophet Muhammad, likely due to the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy, and fear of similar repercussions."
-No it's because Mohammad is not to be represented visually, and to do so causes great offence to Muslims. Repercussions would indeed be likely, but even if the Dutch cartoon controversy had not happened, a South Park portrayal of Muhammad would have severe consequences anyway. Magic Pickle 00:26, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
But why didnt muslims close embassies and riot when Muhammed was shown being 'super' friends with Jesus, Moses, Joseph Smith, 'Semen', Buddha and so forth? And if Muslims don't watch South Park, why edit the scene, if Muslims don't watch it?
First of all, (Uglinessman) its because of people like you that the whole controversy started in even the first place. Writing letters, essays and recommendations were obviously not going to stop those cartoons from being printed, since the cartoonists were trying to piss people off. I don't necessarily agree with the riots, but how were the muslims supposed to stop the blasphemy of their faith. I guess stopping Danish imports was the only way for them to take any real action against this. Its interesting how a swastika appearing anywhere in Europe is considered racist but when the cartoon controversy took place it was justified as being freedom of speech. This is really no different from the different portrayals of Jesus Christ on the show (sometimes even with a gun no less), its wrong because its just hurtful to those who believe in these figures.
"Same with swastikas - people can get offended and complain all they like, but if a newspaper wants to print one then nobody should be able to stop them. " BobThePirate That entirely depends on the individual country. In the UK and also Germany it would be illegal if a newspaper printed a swastika and a pro-nazi article. As for the issue of whether or not Muslims are right to riot over cartoons or whatever, it's a moot point: the fact is that they do. Consequently, what Stone and Parker fail to realise is that when they create something which could arouse the anger of Muslims, they are asking all those involved in the production and broadcast of the cartoon to face that severe anger along with them. They are willing to risk the consequences: fine. But is it fair they should expect others at Comedy Central to, when the consequences might very well go beyond protest and picket, to something worse. Magic Pickle 01:20, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
The bottom line is, the Islamic faith seriously need to adapt to the modern world. They need to change their position on the depiction of Mohammad because in today's world many countries have freedom of speech, press, and expression. Sure, it might have made sense 1500 years ago, but it just doesn't work today. Having your extremists riot over the depiction of your prophet is ridiculous. It would be like the England still allowing people to be stoned to death as punishment for their crimes because hey, it use to happen in our faith. All major religions used to be batshit crazy. Christianity with the crusades and genocide (the Americas), Islam with Jihads, etcetera etcetera. Then people and religions policies changed, and Islam needs to catch up As people have already stated, Mohammad was already depicted in the Super Best Friends episode and nothing happens. Also he appears in the crowd at the beginning sequence of each show. Allowing your own fear to change a show to meet the demands of others is called terrorism. Anonymous
Nothing happened after the South Park portrayal of Mohammed, it did not cause riots etc - but - it easily could have. Is it fair to expect the staff of Comedy Central to possibly risk their lives for the sake of a stupid cartoon? I don't think so. If Parker and Stone want to upset Islamists: fine, but maybe they should do it on their own website or a private DVD release. In the real world, many of the staff at CC won't want to risk the danger - and fair enough - I know I wouldn't risk my life to protect an episode of South Park of all things. Magic Pickle 20:59, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Basically, the prophet Mohammed, is forbidden in Islam to be drawn or depicted visually. This might be connected to the "no graven images" commandment in the Old Testament, since the OT is a holy book to Muslims as well. Any depiction is against the rules, although as (is it Kyle?) points out, the rules are for Muslims. I'm not sure of the Quran's stance on getting all upset about other people depicting him. Presumably it's at the risk of the depictor's own soul.
Islam isn't really any more violent or silly than any other of the Abrahamic religions, it just suffers a lot more extremism than they do. Though then again, if the Christian fundamentalists in the USA got the same media coverage, perhaps we'd see them on TV every other day, ranting and rabbling in crowds. Fr*d Ph*lps pickets -funerals-, for god's sake.
It disappeared recently and I was just curious as to were it went. Zone46 03:24, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Think I found a hidden code in the 'Goobacks' episode. See the 'Goobacks' talk page for details. Well I looked at the goobacks talk page and all i saw was something about terminator:3-- Yowiki 06:40, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that the last person to edit the page [*cough*SCIENTOLOGIST*cough*] deleted the entire thing. I threw it back up for you all.
The political section tagged get me rewrite blows primarily because it reifies existing political categories while the show itself is primarily anti-Fascist.
The show itself is Adorno's "nightmare of childhood".
It is filled with adult characters out of Adorno's NOC in Minima Moralia.
"For example, in the episode where Cartman joins the association NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love association) is actually a real group of people."
There's a few things wrong with that sentence. I've changed it to:
"For example, in episode #406, "Cartman Joins NAMBLA", NAMBLA (the North American Man/Boy Love Association) is an actual organization."
I also felt that the opening wording, "South park is a comedy animated series" was really awkward and changed it to "an animated comedy series" and removed the (unnecessary IMO) wiki links.
I changed the reason for Stan not vomiting anymore when Wendy speaks to him. The original words suggested that this ended with the Raisins episode (7.14) because the voice actor providing her voice had died. This is incorrect, and is confusing the suicide of Mary Kay Bergman in 1999 with the departure of Eliza Schneider in 2003 (both of whom voiced Wendy). So far as I can tell, Ms. Schneider is still very much alive and working on other projects. Martin Blank 23:00, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
With regards to the "he's like Keanu Reeves" mention in the "Best Friends Forever" episode, surely this is a reference to his character in the "Matrix" series of movies, rather than constantine? Nervie 21:16, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
It should be noted in the Music section that Trey Parker (and maybe Matt Stone; I'm not sure) was previously a music major at his university in Colorado before dropping out to film Cannibal! the Musical.
I changed "Token Williams" to "Token Black" as he has been called more than once in the show. Most recently in the episode involving the Chinese mafia. - Kugamazog
There are a few things here which I think needs to be proved with facts. Did Comedy Central really decide to stop showing South Park during summer? Also, did they actually digitally take Blame Canada out of the movie and replace it with O Canada? I'm not ignorant about the show, and I think I would have heard about this stuff had it actually been done. Kaishin 14:27 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Dunno about the former, but the latter is definitely false: I own the Canadian DVD and Blame Canada's intact. (I've fixed the page.) JoeNotCharles
I removed
Who claims this? And does this make sense as an explanation? Does the Academy have an explicit profanity-avoidance policy? -- Ryguasu 22:00 Nov 17, 2002 (UTC)
It makes sense, but is it a known fact? I mean, I don't think the person who made that claim knew for a fact that that was the reason they chose the song, and is therefore a conjecture, or an opinion at the worst, and doesn't have a place in an objective enyclopedia of facts.
Better phrasing would be, "Blame Canada was nominated for an Oscar for best song, perhaps because it was one of the few songs in the movie without profanity and therefore suitable for broadcast.
Tommertron 03:55 19 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Holy God, check out the What Links Here page. Gnome appears eight times. What's that all about? - Branddobbe 04:50, Jan 31, 2004 (UTC)
Moses is described here as a 'fiery dreidel,' yet his appearance is actually that of the Master Control Program from the movie TRON.
I question deleting the line about South Park not being cancelled. If someone is reading the article, they might NOT know that it was still on the air. --rp
I am editing this comment in the "Trivia" section:
They did not "release" any feature films. They merely starred in BASEketball, written & directed by others. -- Feitclub 19:03, Sep 12, 2004 (UTC)
The whole politics of South Park is a somewhat rediculous notion. I would contend that as many liberals watch and enjoy the show as do conservatives. There is no evidence supporting this and the term South Park Republican is not widely accepted (evidence: [1]). The author argues that the term is not inherant to the show South Park. Libertarian bias does exist in the show, but not republican bias. The idea of South Park Republicans is mentioned almost exclusively by Republicans. If this is not modified I support a notice of bias on this article. Flying Hamster 00:12, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I disagree - although I am quite liberal and love southpark, I do notice that they are more conservative than liberal. There is no point in getting into a left vs right vs liberterian argument here, but assumming that liberterian is independant of left/right (becuase SP is clearly liberterian). My reasons lie in the fact that they mock liberal values much, much, more than conservative values. They show liberals to be idiots who are wrong. They show conservatives to be rednecks, but not wrong. I am not saying that they back Bush (I don't know anything about this) but judging from the show alone, I refuse to believe that they are anything left of center. 69.136.234.155
I'm going to go ahead and delete both liberal and conservative as "spokespersons" seems to say enough without showing bias toward one side or the other.
Regarding the whole 'liberal' vs. 'conservative' debate, I just don't see it and I'd suggest that this section be toned down significantly because it's just a lot of speculation. I'd agree that in its current state, the article is biased (although perhaps unintentionally so). Even the show's own creators are on the record saying the show doesn't lean one way or the other. I think that people on one side or the other of this topic usually tend to see their own side as taking the brunt of the satire because they are more sensitive to their own views roasting on the BBQ. As a case in point, when JibJab's "This Land is Your Land" parody came out liberal people I knew said it was too hard on Kerry and conservatives equally said it was too hard on Bush. It seems that each side interprets criticism of it's own views as more severe than criticism of the other side (because it's only "correct" to criticise the other side as wrong, I guess). I'd suggest we all just accept that trying to interpret a political bent in the humor of the show in the absence of clear, irrefutable evidence of a trend (or a statement from the creators) is inherently error prone due to observer bias.
If anything, I'd say the creators are contrarian since they tend to highlight things that may be a relatively accepted view (such as Alcoholics Anon being a good thing) and show an alternate perspective. Just about any large, well-known movement is lampooned in some way (except for those that are disliked by most people, which are then shown in an unexpected good light (ie tobacco company)). Confounding expectation and playing against type are just mechanisms of humor. I would agree that the creators seem to be generally anti-big group, pro individualism, pro self-expression and anti-self-importance but I don't think that those views can be said to map onto the conservative/liberal spectrum.
My vote is that this section be rewritten in a much minimized form that mentions that some people on each side believe that the show creators generally support their viewpoints and that some on each side say the show creators are opposed to their viewpoint. The creators themselves say there is no fixed viewpoint. The section could conclude with the general thought that "there isn't enough evidence to conclude one way or the other. Southpark satires many views leaving sensibilities across the spectrum offended at various times and the creators seem to be proud of that."
I think the creators of the show would think little of all of you trying to determine their politics. Just watch the show and enjoy it for what it is.
I'm deleting the statement about the show only being aired once a day; there are at least a couple of nights a week when two episodes air, and first-run episodes fall into the block of programming that Comedy Central reruns two hours later on the same night. Not to mention the conflict the frequent showings of the movie would have with this "rule."
I have high doubts about the "no South Park in summer" statement, although it would be interesting if it were true. - Hedgey42 17:09, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
If PBS shows it, it'll definitely be TV-Y7 FV. -- Anonymous
I'm deleting the statement that says that Chef is used less frequently because Isaac Hayes was offended by the Scientology episode. The reason for this is that the Scientology episode was the 12th episode of the most recent season. Chef has not been in an episode since much before that.
This article is missing mentions of Mr. Hanky (recurring character) and David Hasselhoff. -- G3, 03:58, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
The link at Jesus vs. Frosty leads to a page that describes it identically to "The Spirit of Christmas", and doesn't match the description on the page. I don't know which is right, so I'll leave the edit to someone else, and also drop a note on the other page.
Are the creators Republicans? If its not well confirmed maybe it shudn't be part of the encyclopedia. I have little idea as I live far far away in India. But my objective is to bring to notice that part of the article to others who can more objectively analyse and judge.
The confusion is most likely do to the fact that there were two shorts titled "The Spirit of Christmas" with Jesus going up against Frosty in the first one and against Santa in the better-known christmas card one. Apofisu 20:49, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
What exactly is the deal with the Braniff logo at the end??? Lee M 01:34, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Q. - Why is there a Braniff Airlines ad at the end of every episode?
A. - Matt and Trey choose Braniff as the name for their production company when they began South Park. They have the right to use the logo on South Park but do not have any other rights to it. It continues to make them laugh.
We should add characters uncle jimbo and his friend who speaks with the artificial voicebox... i'll do it later if i have time 64.59.209.89 14:53, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Towlie's profile seriously needs cleaned up
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This is a question for anyone who knows the answer. For a pictureof the four main characters, the description says that is how they appear in eight of nine seasons. What season did they appear different? What did they look like? Chaz 16:48, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
Just a query: What on earth does the PSP have to do with Terri Schiavo?
I don't recall anyone in South Park with the surname of "Harrison". Brittany 22:17, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
Currently the Chef Aid article is a redirect to the Chewbacca Defence. Would it be possible to create a stub for Chef Aid keeping the links to the preceding and successive episode. Thanks for your help. Capitalistroadster 05:42, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
Why has South Park not done a parody of the Killdozer? It is perfect material as 1) nobody was killed or injured (except Marvin), 2) it happened in a small Colorado town, 3) the real mayor sounds as corrupt as the mayor from South Park, and 4) the method is so outrageous it lends itself to satire.-- RPlunk 16:46, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
Is this really a recurring theme in South Park? -- DrBat 23:55, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm not convinced that animal sexuality should be a recurring theme either. When I think of reccurring themes themes on the show, I think of things like Kenny's death, Chef's songs about sex, Cartman's conservatism, Kyle's liberalism, poking fun at celebrities, religion, etc. These are all more prominent themes than animal sexuality. Animal sexuality is a major plot point in only 3 episodes: Big Gay Al's Big Gay Boat Ride, An Elephant Makes Love to a Pig, and Chickenlover, while there are minor references to it in at least 7 others: Cat Orgy, Hooked on Monkey Phonics (masturbating monkey), Scott Tenorman Must Die (pony performing fellatio on a hot dog), Proper Condom Use (the aforementioned scene with Stan's dog), The Death Camp of Tolerance ( Lemmiwinks), Douche and Turd (with PETA), and Woodland Critter Christmas (porcupine is pregnant). Are ten mentions of animal sexuality in 140 episodes enough to make it a "recurring theme"? Maybe, but I just think there are better "recurring themes" out there. I just don't think of animal sexuality when I think of South Park. -- Yoberalf 15:28, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
In the episode Bloody Mary, about two thirds of the way thru the episode, when Randy is in the truck, talking to Stan, you can briefly see one of the aliens from Cartman Gets an Anal Probe on the right side of the screen. Anyone know if there's any significance to this appearance?
Yes there is a significance as in every episode of the series these aliens have cropped up in one way or the other...
Sorry folks. I posted two edits to this article by accident. My intent was to revert one edit, but it looks like somehow I also managed to revert a chopped off text on the political controversy as a 2nd revert. If that one's wrong or anything feel free to fix it. Thanks FT2 22:42, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
I think that Tweek should be removed of the major characters section. He had some important time in the 6th season as the 4th friend, but it only was for three or four chapters. After that he never had a relevant role. And there is a lot of characters that could be there such as Wendy or Chef, that always made important appearances. Even Jesus or Saddam have more major time than Tweek.-- Bauta 22:22, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi all. Okay this article needs to be worked on. First of all nobody uses sources during the text and there is no references at the end of the article. Everybody must point out, during the text, where they took their information. There are a lot of dates, "facts" and all that in the text but nothing says to me it is true. Also, a lot of information is mainly opinions about how the show has what conservative point of view or not and if it displaying a view satirical view that is close to reality. These are opinions and not only are they opinions from the writers of this article, the writers backed their opinions with ONE exemple each time. Who says this isn't an exception you picked to make us all believe it was right ? Also the the article is big it could probable be reduced. Let's get to work people ! Bragador 03:18, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Ok I'll start the editing. Let's see... For the intro what we could actually keep is:
So that's for the first paragraph. Now for the second one.
That would be a nice second part though we should add a link for the episode to back our claims. Also a link to a critic's site would be nice to back the "blunt handling of current events". Now for the 3rd.
This is totally out of place. It should be in an article about the episode itself. Now for the 4th.
ok. in place of the whole thing I would say
As for the "Tribune Entertainment" i added it in the first paragraph. Now for the 5th.
This is totally opinionated ! We need at least one source for the reputation and one for the "presented in realistic and unexagerated yet absurd ways". For now it has no place in the article. As for the nambla, scientology and jackson stuff who says it has really been portrayed "mostly true to real life" ? We need links to critics !
Someone-somewhere has reduced the {totaldispute} down to {disputed} and I don't see any further talk of inaccurate facts so I am going to delete the factual inaccuracy tag. Thane Eichenauer 08:35, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
In the past week the Catholic League have managed to get the episode Bloody Mary cancelled from Comedy Central's lineup: http://www.defamer.com/hollywood/south-park/bloody-mary-episode-ensures-south-park-guys-a-bungalow-in-hell-145774.php
The League have issued a press release regarding the yanking: http://www.catholicleague.org/05press_releases/quarter%204/051230_Southpark_pulled.htm
Perhaps they forgot to read: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment01/06.html
Where do you guys get most of your episode screen shots from. I like to include a screen shot from their "Free Willzyx", but that is not included in Wikipedia yet. Thanks. Zach (Smack Back) 03:19, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
southparkstudios.com normally but im pretty sure theres a Free Willzyx screenshot in by now. Discordance 18:49, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Just a little nitpick, but the image on the article is wrong. It says one of the many deaths of Kenny from the episode Rainforest Schmainforest, though he doesn't actually die in the episode.
Actually, he does die. He is resusicitated, however, but still, had Kelly not been there he would have remained permanently dead.
Hurricanehink
02:51, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
I disagree. He didn't die because if he was dead he would have been permanently dead, you cant bring someone back from the dead, unless their body is still functioning. Once it shuts down, thats it, you're dead. Kenny's body must still have been functioning for him to be brought back to conciousness.
Thats because South park makes fun of things and the show dosen't have to be logical.-- Yowiki 06:41, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't know where this comes from. I've read the Stone was RAISED agnostic, but I don't know if this means he IS agnostic. If this comes from an interview or something, a reference would be appreciated. Corbmobile
This is from imdb.com
Tom Cruise has reportedly stopped an episode of South Park that mocks him from being aired in Britain. The show, in which Nicole Kidman and Cruise's fellow Scientologist John Travolta are depicted attempting to coax an animated version of the actor out of a closet caused controversy when broadcast in the US. The cartoon Kidman tells Cruise, "Don't you think this has gone on long enough? It's time for you to come out of the closet. You're not fooling anyone." - referring to allegations about Cruise's sexuality. According to TheRegister.co.uk, Paramount has agreed not to show the episode again, after Cruise complained. A source tells the site, "Tom is famously very litigious and will go to great lengths to protect his reputation. Tom was said not to like the episode and Paramount just didn't dare risk showing it again. It's a shame that UK audiences will never see it because it's very funny."
Is it just me being paranoid or there used to be an article about episode 12 (season 8), "Stupid Spoiled Whore..."? You know, about that Hilton creature. Looks kind of weird: every single episode has a separate article, only that one is in red. -- Bicycle repairman 01:56, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
"This was meant as a satire on a NYPD Blue episode released shortly before this episode where one of the main characters said the phrase "shit happens" without being censored, and the American public discussed this for weeks. "
Actually, the series that used the phrase was the CBS hospital drama "Chicago Hope", not NYPD Blue.
I can't say for sure, but it seems to me that the first major appearance of Butters indicated that he was Mr. Mackey's son. The episode was one third of the "Meteor Shower" trilogy, the episode with the party at Mr. Mackey's house. I was under the assumption that the reason he was at the party (and had to hang in the basement with the other kids) was because he lived there and Mackey couldn't find a babysitter (like the other parents). The way he talks is almost like a child version of Mackey's voice, although a little more energetic, and I think he even shared the "mm'kay" in that early episode.
Since I don't have the DVDs of that season, I'm hoping someone can review this episode for me. If I'm right, I think it's worth noting in the article.
- Ugliness Man 17:22, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
The episode to which you are referring is episode 308. I watched it again and did not catch any references or indications of a relationship between Butters and Mr. Mackey.
Does Anybody happen to have any informatoin regarding the new lemmiwinks episode?
According to the FAQ on the South Park site, Lemmiwinks is promised to return one day, although nobody knows when.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/show/display_faq_search.php?section=2&id=34946&tab=10
Under running gags, in the part about Chef talking to the kids, it says 'Curiously, Chef always refers to even one child as "children".' I think some verification is needed on this, because I think the only time Chef ever did this was in episode 113 "Cartman's Mom is a Dirty Slut", when Cartman went to Chef's house thinking Chef was his dad. It seems to me that the joke is that because Cartman is so fat, Chef refer to him in plural terms, but as far as I know, it was only Cartman, and only that episode. I'll leave it for awhile, but if nobody can site another episode as an example, I'm going to change the text. - Ugliness Man 18:50, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
I dont remember myself and trying not to drop any spoilers but pay close attention to the end of season 6, he may say it there. Discordance 18:43, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
72.192.153.126 anonymously changed the text to once again indicate that Chef does this for any child, but nobody has been able to verify this by citing an episode in which he does this to someone other than Cartman. I've reverted the edit, if someone wishes to change it back, please cite the episode in which it occured, and which child Chef is speaking to when he does this. - Ugliness Man 12:53, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
In "Are You Up There God?", Chef refers to Stan as children 1028 20:03, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
In episode 302 "Spontaneous Combustion", Chef refers to Cartman as "children".
Well, not everywhere. I have made some minor NPOV edits which I doubt anyone will think are unwarranted. My main worry is in "Political Controversy" section which apart from being POV and unsourced needs major cleanup. I personally have little opinion on the show, though I tend to like some episodes more than others. It needs cleanup because it repeats itself a little. It needs cleanup because it repeats itself a little. Views such as it being conservative need to be sourced as coming from someone, it's not enough just to say it, you also cannot out-and-out say it is conservative, you need to say that "some say" that it's conservative and reference who says it. There is plenty of criticism from the Parents Television Council to be referred to. It needs rewriting so I'm tagging it. No offense dudes. Angrynight 03:45, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
P.S. My minor NPOV edits may have made wording slightly awkward. Fell free to fix that without reverting it. Angrynight 03:54, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Fine by me reading that section through its all over the place. Needs completely reorganising for a start rewriting and then sourcing. I was thinking something like.
Then it needs merging with censorship and possibly recurring themes. Actually ill group the appropiate sections now before a rewrite starts. Discordance 15:53, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
I completely disagree with 129.22.247.117. The article seems biased and my own personal opinion is that it is ludicrous to suggest that the it is conservative. However, in the interests of fairness and to be unbiased, I agree with Discordance in the way that it should be set out with the different sections. Ben Dando 11:25, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Actually, Chef says 'children' while reffering to a single person for several times in different episodes of some of the first seasons, or at least this is how I recall it. Unfortunately, I can't remember which episodes this happens, but I'll try to find out ...sorry guys...
The current edit of this article says: In January of 2006, Comedy Central's United Kingdom affiliate removed the episode "Trapped in the Closet" from its broadcast schedule, reportedly in order to avoid legal action by actor Tom Cruise, considering Matt and Trey just signed with Paramount who also happens to employ Cruise. That episode was screened on February 20 on SBS in Australia. SBS has since been threatened with Legal Action.
The alleged legal action filed against SBS needs to be sourced. I am familiar with the station in question, and I know that no legal threats have either been made or followed through on. I realise "original research" has no validity, but if the legal action reference is to stand it needs to be sourced properly. Using the Fairfax newspaper library in Australia (which has a record of every article published in Australian newspapers) I have been unable to find any published reference in the Australian media of such a legal threat. ( Whoby 00:19, 3 March 2006 (UTC))
If a source cant be found for controversal statements WP policy is you can remove it on sight if you want and it shouldnt be readded till someone can source it. Discordance 20:55, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Ok. I will leave the paragraph, but remove the "has since been threatened" sentence. ( Whoby 00:07, 4 March 2006 (UTC))
Someone deleted a previous edit without explanation. The creators of the show are obviously against stem cell research as shown in "Krazy Kripples", and so it at least deserves being mentioned. Do not delete it again.
Keep it civil please. As is often the case with matt and trey theyve gone for balance the show rarely displays favour to either side of controversys, I do agree with ugly man and any assertions like this will be deleted on sight. However it is something to discuss in the political issues section (although that section still needs a cleanup) but only when both sides are covered with christopher reeve being shown as an evil supervillian powered by dead fetus, whilst stem cell research develops a cure for kennys illness in 513 albeit too late and then cartman makes a mockery of things. Discordance 20:53, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
So Mr. ügliness Man" has demonstrated his hypocrisy by accusing someone else of inserting their own opinion on stem cell research onto a television show. What is the point anyways, whether or not South Park endorses or condemns a controversial point doesn't mean you are right/wrong. What is your point "Ugliness Man" and the poster above him? Anonymous 8:13:20, 3 March 2007 (PST)
Meow ! Magic Pickle 02:10, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
13 MARCH 2006 - Issac Hays today quit the show, citing his displeasure with it's "bigotry" regarding religion. He claimed that people's religion is sacred, and that the show has "crossed the line".
I wonder where he was when the line got crossed with regards to Catholics (several times), Mormons, Jews, and Muslims (the ORIGINAL Muhammad cartoon). Now that Scientology got its serving, a line has been crossed. Pathetic.
I don't "automatically" believe it because it came from Trey or Matt; I believe it because I never heard one negative public comment about the show from Hayes until after Scientology got hit. It is true they hit the Catholic church again a few weeks after that, but if that was what pushed him over the edge, why did he participate in the episode that ridiculed the Catholic Church for the sex abuse scandal? Or the one where the boys catch priest Maxi screwing a woman in the confessional? Those weren't controversial??? He continued working with them YEARS after that, as well as long after Mohammed appeard in "SuperBestFriends", he was silent when they suggested that Mormons are gullible and "dumb, dumb, dumb", silent when they ridiculed Native Americans spirituality and culture...He appreciated their religious satire for a long time without comment; why is the show suddenly so offensive that he can no longer be involved? Of two "contoversial" episodes in the tenth season, one ridiculed his faith; the other ridiculed a group they had hit many times before. Which do you think is more likely to have been the reason?
I just read that Issac Hays had a stroke January 17th. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,188463,00.html
Following Issac Hayes publicized leaving of the show because of the "insensitive" parody of Scientology, the airing of the episode in question "Trapped in the Closet" was pulled, and replaced with an older episode. I'd hate to jump to conclusions, but why is it not aired. It's still being advertised as the episode is not played on the Comedy Central Website at 10:09.
That change MAY have been because they wanted to generate attention for Chef: both of the episodes tonight were Chef-intensive (Chef Aid and Salty Chocolate Balls), so they might be trying to show us a lot of Chef-related episodes to illustrate what we won't see anymore. (POST SCRIPT: THIS WAS THE "OFFICIAL" REASON GIVEN BY COMEDY CENTRAL, ALTHOUGH IT SMELLS FISHY...)
The "Response" subsection of the "Censorship" section is almost nothing but a discussion of the 10th-season premiere where Chef is killed off. This material is already covered in the "Chef" entry in "Recurring Characters." It seems better to take the Response section out because of the duplicated information; in my opinion, this info fits better in the "Recurring Characters" section.
South park would never sell out 02:31, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
In April of 2001, at my last job, when I was given my orientation, I was made to sit through a 30-minute film about diversity in the workplace. It was allegedly made by Trey and Matt. Matt acted in it, although I did not see Trey anywhere. It involved singing and dancing as the workers showed their employer that you need to look at diversity not just in terms of color or ethnicity, but in terms of age, experience, educational background, and values. Otherwise, "diversity" is nothing more than a superficial crock. Steve Landesberg, formerly "Barry" of the comedy series Barney Miller, was in it.
I was wondering if anybody else saw this video?
Does anyone know why South Park has never been released from Season 5 onwards in the UK? Play.com had Season 5 as 'available soon' for about 2 years before giving up. Douglasnicol 23:39, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
The part about religion claims that Chef wants to give anal sex to little kids and then goes to hell is... from what I recall, not true. As far as the hell thing goes, anyway. -- Discharger12 02:06, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
I saw an ad on Comedy Central congratulating them on the win. I looked for verification and found it. Got lazy and decided not to cite the page, but if someone has the urge... Also, perhaps we should add a section regarding awards the show has won. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.251.46.22 ( talk • contribs)
They one the Best Original Song from the MTV awards
Is R. Kelly really a Scientologist as it says in the "Scientology Scuffle" section's "Origins" paragraph?
They were just trying to make fun of his song Trapped in the Closet in the scientology episode, i guess people assumed hes a scientologist.
He's a scientologist. or at least the church of scientology claim he is. it's on his wikipedia article. check the article if you want to know something. wouldn't that be the logical thing? If asking a question on an encyclepedia, check the encylepedia.
From the article:
Are there bleeped instances of the word in the same episode? Otherwise, the dangling attribute seems superfluous. In the interest of informativeness... - Samsara ( talk • contribs) 00:25, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
No the question was "Are there bleeped instances of the word in the same episode". So the answer has everything to do with the discussikon at hand, for the question was the begining of the discussion and the answer the end of it.
Someone has written the following under religious humor: "In 2006 Comedy Central banned South Park from showing an image of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. In retaliation, South Park aired a 2 part episode culminating in President Bush, Jesus Christ, and various other Americans defecating on each other and the American flag. (This episode originally aired during Holy Week for Christians.)" I think the author meant easter since Christmas 2006 has not yet arrived.
But Trey Parker and Matt Stone aren't Muslim, on the contrary Stone is a Jew
I remember watching the movie a bit before, (I've been watching the show South Park start to finish as of late) and am wondering when I'm supposed to watch the movie. I noticed that during the movie Devil had stopped having gay sex with Saddam due to telling him off and in later episodes of the show he was indeed with someone else. And another reference as to when we should watch the movie is Stan and Wendy. He always puked whenever Wendy came like inches from him like he does in the movie but later in season 4 I think he gets over that puking business. So when exactly do we watch the South Park movie for all of us who are curious?
Thank you for that. I've been looking all over the place on the NET as to when to watch the movie and not anyone not even SPStudio.com has even posted the movie etc. Thanks for the input. You should change the Episode listing to have the movie inbetween Season 2 and 3. That way people know from now on.
Why is he noted as a main character when in several episodes he isnt a main recurring character and often only noted for gags and small jokes and in recent episodes non occuring. Also if you state that he is supposed to be a main character then why does his link at the bottom link to recurring characters page with his mini bio there? - avalean 17.april
The trivia section is way too long, in my opinion. Any ideas on how to trim it down? M2K e 19:53, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Whoever added Pip in the "Main character" section seems to be in denial that Pip was never a main character or simply has his information wrong. Pip had very few speaking lines per episode in the early episodes, and by the later seasons he's barelly in the backround anymore. He had a slight roll in the Dodgeball episode, One episode to himself ( which most people hate ), and a minor roll in the Meteor shower episode ( and was upstaged highly by Butters ) and that's about it. He was never was, and never meant to be a main character. Nor was he popular. Pip simply shouldn't be up there. If any kid should be up there, it should be Jimmy who's starred in several episodes and on the cover of a DVD boxset. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mercyfulfate666 ( talk • contribs) 03:56, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Token Black is as "major", if not more, as Pip.
In the article the following is said in reference to Mr. Garrison's homosexuality: "At the beginning of the series, Mr. Garrison was a chronic gay basher and until confronted by his "Gay Side," had gay fantasies which he always denied having. Mr. Garrison also had a hand puppet, named Mr. Hat, which he explained was gay to a therapist in one episode. The therapist told Mr. Garrison that he expressed his repressed homosexuality through Mr. Hat. This eventually led him to admit he was gay and proud of it." I feel that this is misleading in that the episode being referenced with the therapist ("Summer Sucks") doesn't really lead to Garrison accepting anything about his homosexuality. Rather, the episode "4th Grade," where Mrs. Choksondik seeks out Mr. Garrison in the mountains and impresses upon him that he must come to terms with who he is is moreso why he accepts his homosexuality. Blinutne 21:38, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
I keep making a small section on the South Park page about how some people Critisize South Park, and people keep reverting it, what is the problem? http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=South_Park&diff=56852774&oldid=56852519 I think this is a perfectly fine section of it. People need to know about these kinds of things, and I am staying 100% neutral with my opinions, im just laying down the FACTS of what other people believe.
WHAT is the problem this time?! User:Igotsomeapples
Igotsomeapples 18:03, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
No, I'm sorry. You misunderstood: you should sign your posts on talk pages, not your contributions to articles.
Ok, so here's the paragraph:
Some people believe that South Park is nothing but "Foul Language and Toilet Humor", which it was criticized alot in its first season. In response to that, Matt Stone and Trey Parker made "Terrence and Phillip" to show people what a REAL "Foul Language and Potty Humor" show was. Many long time fans have critised as well that the show's quality has been dropping since Season 9, that they're focusing more on proving a point than being funny. Many parents think its ok for their kids to watch South Park at first because it looks like a kids cartoon, but later they find out its not, and accuse South Park for "Corrupting the youth". Artists such as John Kricfalusi, maker of Ren & Stimpy believe that the show is overrated due to the one factor that its easy to draw, and animate an episode, and an episode would take less than a week to be made. Obviously South Park receives alot of criticism from the targets that they make fun of, especially religion. This lead to Issac Hayes to leave before the 10th Season started, because he is a scientologist, and they made fun of scientology.
The way I see it, there are several problems with this paragraph. First, the content is covered elsewhere in the article already. Second, it's simply not very well written. Third, it doesn't follow Wikipedia's manual of style (for example, there are few instances where it's acceptable to use ALL CAPS in an article). Fourth, it contains unverified and unsourced claims. Exploding Boy 18:05, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
It's a blasphemetic, racist, and pointlessly profane program. Especially the blasphemetic part. I can't even type what stopped me from watching another second. I suggest you do the same and try to go to heaven. The creators are either atheists or Satanists.
"South Park is an American animated television comedy series about four fourth grade school boys who live in the small town of South Park, Colorado." FWIW, the four were in third grade in seasons one, two and three. Perhaps, this could be clarified somehow. 67.168.45.34 07:14, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I think I am Most definately wrong, but under the Vulgarity subsection of the controversy section, it states that the episode "It hits the Fan" poked fun at an incident where the word "Shit" was spoken uncensored on an episode of Chicago Hope which aired "shortly before this episode". A quick search of wikipedia reveals that "It hits the fan" was aired in 2001, whereas Chicago Hope went off the air in 2000, making it impossible for said episode of chicago hope to have aired "shortly before" the south park episode was created. Also the usage of the word on chicago hope wasn't really that big of a deal, as this article would have you believe.
Another problem is that in the "Animation Style" section it states: "Construction paper cut-outs were used in the original pilot animation and in the first episode made for Comedy Central. Subsequent episodes have been produced by computer animation that provides the same look..." This statement seems to give the impression that construction paper cut-outs were used in the pilot, and then used again in a seperate episode, which was the first to air on comedy central. It also gives the impression that computer animation was not used on the first episode. The truth of the matter is that the pilot was an early version of episode 101, and the first episode which comedy central aired was an edited version of the pilot, which retained much of the footage from the pilot (which was created entirely using construction paper), however it also included several new or reworked scenes created using computer animation. Wheras this point may seem moot, accuracy is very important on wikipedia, and i feel that the statement i originally quoted is very inaccurate and should be altered. 68.255.184.57 08:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I noticed a potential inaccuracy under "Religion" in "Recurring Themes". The text currently states that Kyle's father dresses in Hasidic Jewish garb. He actually just dresses in a suit and a kippah. Though the kippah identifies him as jewish, his outfit is not really Hasidic jewish attire. Ilyana145 09:32, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
"Spouth Park" ripps on all religions and races and other things. They mostly pick on Jews, African American's, and man many others.
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I don't consider them anti-environmental at all. Rather, they're anti-advocacy groups. They tend to rip on anyone that sits at the extreme of the spectrum on matters. They support people using common sense, rather than jumping on a fanatical bandwagon or using sensationalism. -- CBrewster 20:24, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Southpark has gotten more and more anti envirnomental. Which I don't have a problem with if they wrote better plots with stronger arguments. But their recent epsidoes have been pretty weak..
I disagree with this statement. There is satirization of environmentalists at times but to say that it is anti environment is factually incorrect. Please take a look at the "rainforest...is not anti-environmental" section further down this talk page. Ben Dando 11:34, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
I think the episode 'Smug Alert' perfectly summarises their views on environmentalists which is not anti-environmental. 82.69.40.37
Well Trey Parker is a confirmed libertarian, you need to watch the content of shows with this in mind. You then see the SP arguments tend to lean towards libertarianism, and probably why Stone says they 'really hate liberals' - because the left is more likely to use state intervention than the right, which is the deadly sin for libertarians. Magic Pickle 03:51, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Cwolfsheep 02:27, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Is there anyone out there who knows of all the "Hidden Visitor" sightings? If so, would you be willing to create a section informing us of those sightings in each episode? -- Salvax 23:49, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
In the religion section, the one sentence i have a problem with is "This is ironic because in one episode they blatently call Mormonism a complete hoax made up by a guy who was obviously lying." They definitely do strongly imply it's a hoax, it's just not blatant.-- Charibdis 18:38, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
No, it was pretty blatant. While they never said it outright, they implied it heavily enough through all of the jokes that it is "an elaborate hoax" and such.
..umm, what good does Mormonism do? Magic Pickle 03:52, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Just a minor little detail: under the section about Satan, the description says that he hosts Luaus, when he in fact hosts Hukilaus.
Well, I didn't read the article in full, but I did do a few searches, and there seems to be no mention of how the children's voices are done. In this official faq link the faq maintainer say that the children's voices are done by adjusting pitch. Someone even readjusted the pitch of two scenes in the movie so you can hear what they sound like here (Mr. Garrison teaches math) and here (What Would Brain Boitano Do?. If you know what Matt and Trey sound like, then you can hear them easily in the boys' voices.
Surely this deserves a mention in at least the trivia section. I watched the entire series as of now, and the movie, and always just assumed Matt and Trey were incredible at mimicking young boys. 70.66.9.162 07:21, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Oh, and apparantly (official faq) Satan's voice is pitch-shifted down. 70.66.9.162 07:36, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Here's a video of Trey Parker in real time doing a quick Cartman (see 1:15 or so) and it really sounds like crap compared to the voices we hear in finished episodes. Definitely tweaked. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok1ChgLORIs
In an interview for CBS w/ Matt and Trey, there was a shot of the guys in the booth recording dialogue for the episode Free Willzyx(sp). Kyle (Matt Stone) asks the whale "What do you want to talk about?" and the whale (Trey Parker) responds, "Let's talk about rocketships!" Stone's voice while reading the line sounded much different from Kyle's voice like you would hear in a finished episode. Unfortunately I just searched YouTube and can't find that particular video anymore.
As for this article...isn't it common for pitchshifting to be done in cartoons? I'm not sure it really needs to be mentioned unless there's a lot of confusion/contention about it.
Thank you!!! I am glad someone else noticed this. The episodes in question even make it clear that it is not actually the environment they are mocking. I did an edit of the environment section to address this problem, although it was reverted because it was claimed to be a POV. I have re-reverted it. Please take a look and give me your opinion. It still seems slightly like a POV and may need cleaning up. It could be argued that there is no need for the section at all? Ben Dando 08:06, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Matt Stone and Trey Parker are great, superb satirists and it is a darn shame that many of the show's detractors don't realize that. However, the episode in question may not be anti-environmental it was mocking environmentalists. Matt and Trey have stated on several occasions that they truly hate the rainforest, including on the DVD commentary for this very episode. The message of this episode is that most rainforest supporters call the rainforest a beautiful place, but as middle class Americans dependent on common luxuries they would be badly-adjusted if ever in the rainforest and would probably hate it. In fact, before season three started either Matt or Trey went to Costa Rica expecting the rainforest to be beautiful, hated it, and made this episode in retaliation.
Trey Parker writes the episodes alone and sometimes he's supported by the "advisors". Matt's name is not in the credits, i thought it really would suck if he didn't collaborate writting the cartoon he co-created but he really doesn't, as you can check on the oficial site, if he did though, it WOULD be in the credits, i've never seen his name in none (but it could still be some kind of internal joke), so you have to alter LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTS of articles like this one, matt stone's, terrance and philip: behind the blow ("there are some rumours...") and so on. That sucksass but he fun thing is that the show express Trey's and Matt's points of view, so i guess this means that Parker knows pretty well his friend.
The ideas for the episodes come from a writting staff(Trey and Matt are part of this writting staff)and then Trey writes the final script for the episodes.Matt wrote and directed episodes from several seasons himself. User:alfredosolis
Not to nag, but could someone please remove the picture of Muhammad on the page. I respect the right to free speech, but the picture of Muhammad makes it seem like this show is overly insensitive. I have no objection to keeping it on the episode it was in, but right now people might read this, see Muhammad, and get spooked. I don't think political correctness goes too far when it protects the honor and integrity of a group of people. Gorgo7h3 01:38, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Sub-heading Animal Sexuality? Sure, that's the point. Animal sexuality. sheesh. Non-encyclopaedia-like.
"Scientology (which the creators consider a cult)". What use do the parentheses serve? Most people who have ever heard of it consider it a cult. I'm sure the wiki page makes that abundantly clear. Even the phrase "multiple episodes have tackled the shaky logical foundations of cults" is non-professional. I agree with it, but it's opinion, conjecture.
It's "Kyle's Mom's a Bitch", no 'is'.
The heading "Music" also basically recounts several episodes. It's dumb. Have a sub-heading "episode content" if you must. How was Kyles' Mom's a Bitch popular? Did it race up the rap charts?
I would say: good try, but this page needs to be shorter, with less unreadable blurb
Child abuse and neglect? Come on. You can't put a heading for every subject that every show's covered. 'It's a recurring theme'. Yeah, well farts are a recurring theme, famously, but the word fart doesn't appear once.
'Catholocism' is under 'controversy', but there is a heading 'religious humor' too.
Usually employing [..] black comedy? I don't agree with that.
Again, good effort, but there's so much, it's hard to navigate, and there's a good bit of tidying up to do.
Hello everyone, I am User:Mr. Garrison. I have been contributing many articles recently under the username User:Timmay!, unfortunately I lost my password and left a message that this user is going. Well my new home is User:Mr. Garrison. Under both names I have created many articles for characters such as Ms. Choksondik and Shiela Broflovski.
Look on the proposed projects page and go to WikiProject South Park. Have a look at it and see if it interests you. It's aim is to improve and cleanup articles and to arrange articles into better categories to make it look better and easier to navigate. If you like it, add your name. Once there are about 10 names the project will start running. Please join and help make South Park better on Wikipedia.
Mr. Garrison 18:04, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Just a suggestion, the entire section on Transphobia, featuring commentary on the EP "Mr. Garrison's Fancy New Vagina" reads entirely as POV. It begs to be edited or re-written so that it doesn't come off as one person's opinion.
Actually, just delete it. It brings nothing to the table since it is written entirely POV.
This section is very POV. In "Mr. Garrison's Fancy New Vagina", most of the characters do not seem to act in a "transphobic" way. In fact the boys seem to be rather matter-of-fact about it, and immidately start treating Mr. Garrison as Mrs. Garrison. The only character that could be percieved that way is the Doctor who tells Mrs. Garrison that he isn't really a woman (just a man with a horribly mutilated penis). Perhaps this section needs to be transformed into a human sexuality (or sexual diversity) section.
There are too many words that describe Cartman. Clearly it has been written by a cartman hater. Not only that, but it makes out that cartman isn't a good character when this is not true. Cartman is a hilarius character who the writers love to write for. there isn't enough reference to his popularity.
Fifty-one seconds into the following youtube clip is a sound effect commonly used in South Park: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09_5T8UmQQI . The descending string, timpani stroke, wind outburst is from the first movement of Symphony No. 9 (Dvořák). Its at the end of the brief adagio introduction and part of the segue to the main allegro portion of the movement. Does anyone have a better reference for this effect? I know I've heard it watching South Park many times before. DavidRF 04:14, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Matt and Trey do support gay rights.Tey were even nominated for a GLAAD award for the Big gay Al episode. Also in Follow that egg Stan and Kyle don't break the egg but Cartman and his girl partner break their egg,this was a reference to gay couples beign better parents that some hetorosexual couples.
The Gay Rights section ought to be rewritten. Currently, it seems to mistake several of the attacks on anti-gay rights as being anti-gay rights themselves. The article misses the general South Park style and takes it as Matt and Trey's actual opinion as opposed to what they're trying to attack.
If there's anything else I missed that gives the impression of anti-gay rights then go ahead and write it so it can be corrected. Right now, I think the section is pretty good and accurately shows what Matt and Trey believe and what they mock. Gdo01 02:41, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
"Although Parker and Stone are presumed to be libertarian, the show has not explicitly supported gay rights" gives the impression from the start that it's ambiguious which way a lot of their satire is leaning. It's not. It's quite obvious what they intend.
". In the episode "Follow That Egg!", gay marriage is deemed "too offensive" to people with religious values and it's suggested it should be re-designated as something else. In the end of this episode however, gays are shown as capable of raising children, and gay marriage is made legal in South Park."
This also makes it sound like it could lean either way. I just feel like the article is poorly worded in that respect and gives a poor representation of the actual feelings of Stone and Parker.
Southpark seems to have around 4388 residents (see Chef goes nanners). Maybe that info can be crammed somewhere in.
I suggest that the following characters be merged. These characters are very minor and only appear in one or two episodes:
Any comments/objections?-- TBC TaLk?!? 17:01, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
For the most part, no, but Mr.Hankey is a popular character and appeared in atleast 4 episodes. Jesus has also appeared in almost every episode of the first season, and hasen't been seen in a few seasons but he's definitly recurring. Saddam Hussein and Satan were two stars of the movie, which is pretty significant in my opinion.
I have to agree with Mr. Conspiracy. Most of those characters only appear for a few seconds in one episode. -- ( trogga ) 00:30, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree, but with a few exceptions. Mr. Hankey, Big Gay Al, and Starvin' Marvin are big enough characters to have their own pages. --
DevilSavior
01:55, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
A lot of the material presented for Cartman, Kenny, and to a lesser extent Butters, seems to be repetitive and superfluous. It seems even more unnecessary when you take in to account that each of these characters has their own article where most (if not all) of the information is presented again. How would you all feel about trimming down Cartman, Kenny, and Butter's sections to the size of Stan and Kyle's? Mapache 22:23, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
This talk page has gotten really long, so I'm archiving it.-- TBC TaLk?!? 17:06, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
There is a lot of redundant info here. There are a lot of lists and the whole article's quality degenerates as it goes on. It's weird how people worked hard to make list of South Park episodes a featured list (and a damn good one, too), but the main show's article is a mess. Just my opinion. - Zone46 01:52, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
"In March 2005, South Park hit the number three spot in the 100 Greatest Cartoons,"
An impressive feat, so I followed the reference and it cited "Channel 4". This seems very weak. I am new here -- brand new -- so new that my carpet still has that formaldehyde smell -- so I don't know how to do anything else but type in this here comment.
Channel 4 is a British TV channel that surveyed the British public for this poll.
Is there a...North Park? I think it was mentioned somewhere....
South Park's political bent seems not to be moderation or libertarianism, but nihilism; nothing really matters. That's why the show mocks liberals (and to a lesser extent, conservatives- especially religious conservatives), especially celebrities; the creators seem to believe there is nothing earnestly worth caring about, and those that do care passionately about anything are rubes or simpletons that can be taken apart by three children.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.152.249.136 ( talk • contribs)
"South Park Conservatives who hold ideas from extreme ends of the political spectrum, believing, for instance, that global warming is a myth while supporting gay rights."
In the recurring themes->political issues subsection, it says this. South Park _does_ support gay rights, so... AFAICS this should be changed, but I'm not sure to what... Anyway, you can check out "Follow the egg", for example...
Yea, is the "photorealistic picture" supposed to be in color? I'm gonna leave it for now, but I'm pretty sure it never was in color before... 71.192.228.21 19:46, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
"The show is often regarded as a subtle politically right perspective of American culture and society, eventually influencing the novel South Park Conservatives, while also spawning the phrase South Park Republican". I'm not sure if this is too NPOV, also, "often regarded" is so inappropiate for such a controversial show. I'm not sure if I should revert it. Any opinions? -- Amenzix 23:51, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Would it be too difficult to list the specific episodes nominated for Emmy awards on the main page?-- MythicFox 09:10, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't know, but the following episodes have been nominated: Big Gay Al's Big Gay Boat Ride, Chinpokomon, Osama Bin Laden Has Farty Pants, It's Christmas in Canada, Best Friends Forever, Trapped in the Closet. Watch37264 20:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Ah-hah. Well, there we go, then... that should be all of them.-- MythicFox 07:55, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be implimented in the Origins section? Moshe Gordon 18:19, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't see anything about it on here. It was just deleted out of the blue. Seems a bit random. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.89.185.42 ( talk • contribs)
Nowhere is a cite given that anyone in Australia gives a monkey's about this. I'll kill the latest reference to this. Greglocock 06:06, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Someone NEEDS to put the flamming of Canada in the controversies section!
But it's not that controversial. I am a Canadian, and I don't know a single Canadian who has been actually offended, since it's all done in very obvious good fun.
There's a bit under the heading 'Music' that lists what Kenny, apparently, says. It says that 'With the exception of the latest line, all of these lines have been proven official in an interview with the creators', then it links to a source that appears to be just a fan site. Is this source really reliable?-- Jcvamp 04:06, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Not really. Note that Wikipedia isn't a place for wild speculation; so you're right. -- Orthologist 18:05, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I changed the section where it said that Bush was ridiculed less frequently than Clinton. Clinton, by my count, appears twice- once in the Red Badge of Gayness and once in Bigger Longer & Uncut. George Bush is ridiculed about eight times in the series. I would argue that the creators spend more time on liberal/conservative issues rather than the presidents.
Also, in the same section, I removed a quote of Stone saying he hates conservatives but really hates liberals. I did this because the citation reffers to a biased story that does not cite its original source for the quote which means that it is a third party reference and taken out of context.
In retrospect, Clinton actually appears three times, counting the episode where Cartman's mom sleeps with him. I'm not a member, so could somebody make that change?
With so many people editing this article every day, I don't want to just go ahead and delete something like this for fear of pissing some people off, so I'll "open it for discussion". I think that the list of what Kenny "actually" says in the opening song should probably be trashed. For one thing, unless someone can link to an unambiguous confirmation from Matt & Trey, it's fan speculation. This is the case with pretty much every thing Kenny ever says on the show, I've seen countless fan-based websites with moronic "translations" of Kenny's dialogue, but it's all speculation, and I hardly see how such garbage belongs in this article. Second, I'm pretty damn sure that Timmy doesn't say "live a lie". He's a spazz with a speech impediment, and I don't think that part is actually words, it's probably just an exclamation of some sort half-way between "yeah yeah" and "la la". Not only does "live a lie" not make very much sense (unless you're a conspiracy theorist/nutjob), but it's just not something that Timmy would say. So maybe we should take votes on this or something... should the list be deleted, and if not, should Timmy's part be edited to something that resembles reality? - Ugliness Man 13:49, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
In the theme song Kenny actually says:
Please provide a better reference i couldnt find anything their ( Gnevin 13:54, 1 December 2006 (UTC))
I removed the following text from the character descriptions for Kenny:
"Kenny comes from a poverty-stricken family in South Park's equivalent of New York City's pre-gentrified Lower East Side."
I don't think there's any evidence that indicates "the poor part of South Park" is supposed to be modeled after the Lower East side, I honestly don't know where idea comes from, but it's gone. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.167.106.88 ( talk • contribs) 22:00, 3 December 2006 (UTC).
In: "He hates Cartman because of his constant ridiculing of his faith and race and..." changed race to nationality since Jew is not a description of race. European Jews are white, Ethiopian Jews are black and so on. Nationality isn't the best word, either since American Jews are "American" by nationality but still better than race.
As a Jew myself, I consider Judaism to be more of a culture than a race. It is definitely NOT a nationality. American, Canadian, British, French, etc, are nationalities. The closest thing to a Jewish nationality would be Israeli. Race isn't a bad classification. It just depends on how you define race...
Judaism is actually very complicated. Traditionally Jews are expected to see Judaism as a race. By the original Jewish customs, you are considered Jewish specifically if your mother is Jewish. It is also for this reason that Judaism is not proselytized. However, some denominations of Judaism allow for conversion, treating Judaism more as a religion. The more orthodox conversion rites are intended to make the convert a member of the race, the more liberal rites more geared toward a religious conversion. Thus, to define Judaism rigidly as only race, only religion or only culture would be equally incorrect.
Equally incorrect would be to state unequivocally that Judaism is not a race. - Gdewar 19:17, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Namely, "Black comedy" and "LGBT-related television programs". Neither of the two fit under this article. -- 66.227.194.89 05:49, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm not finding it in the article, but didn't South Park generate some albums early on? I recall buying Chef Aid and that Christmas album sometime around the 1999-2001 time period. Shouldn't there be a list of noteworthy spinoff media, or a mention of the most significant releases? - Timvasquez 04:35, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
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The current one has Mohammed in a red box. I know it's not very visible in the article, but to preserve formalities and prevent it from looking gaudy, methinks it should be replaced. Maybe I'm just being a prude about this, but it's just irking me a bit. eszett talk 19:46, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
The opening sentance of the article "Southpark is about four -foul mouthed- fourth grade school boys" struck me as needing adjustment, in the form of the "foul mouthed" section being removed. I would argue that referring to the characters as foul-mouthed in the opening sentance is superfluous, considering that a good deal of the rest of the article is devoted to analyzing the vulgarity of the show (and additionally, the vulgarity of the central characters is not by any means atypical for boys in that age group). In addition, are the characters really fourth-graders? IIRC, they're supposed to be 8 years old, Mr. Garrison was identified as a teacher of third grade, and fourth graders are typically 9-10 years of age. I could be wrong though, on that point, so I didn't change it.
-wgw2024
The characters are in the third grade up until season 4 episode 11. From then on the boys are in the forth grade. 80.47.111.117 01:54, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
These are two completely different things. Right now, the transgender episode is just tossed into the middle of the gay episodes. Not only are they totally different identities, Matt and Trey seem to be in full support of gay rights and completely against transgender rights. In any case, I'm taking the transgender sentence out and giving it its own heading. Rglong 05:36, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Hmm actually it would be more accurate to say transsexual rights, rather than transgender, because the episode in question specifically deals with people altering their sex through surgery (transsexual), whereas the word transgender is more of an umbrella term for anyone who transcends traditional gender norms, and could include drag queens and heterosexual cross dressers. Rglong 05:54, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
This would be an interesting article, listing the celebrities who have been spoofed in the show, the episode they were spoofed in and maybe their voice actors. Do you think it would be important? YuckieDuck 18:45, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the show criticizes antitheistic views far more intensively than atheist. I can't remember an episode which mocks atheists, and Go God Go and Red Hot Catholic Love express disdain for antitheistic views, such as the belief that the world would be better without religion. Being an atheist, and not an antitheist, myself, I have never been opposed to any form of religious belief, and I know that South Park doesn't rip on anyone's opinions, unless there's an aparent reason. -- Orthologist 15:46, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I had put the article in the Science fiction television series category, but this has been contested. This series is as much Science Fiction as it is satire - time travel, extra-terrestrials, space travel, talking animals, frequent trips to hell/heaven/the underworld, outlandish science and inventions, and many more staples of conventional science fiction all frequently form the center of many of the episode's stories. As such, it should be categorized as science fiction. Discuss. -- Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 06:47, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
"The group claimed a victory when Comedy Central voluntarily canceled a scheduled airing of the episode which coincided with the Christian holiday season" - What does this mean? what is the "christian holidya season? - There are dozens and dozens of holy-days in the Christian calender? Does it mean christmas? - if so, then it should say as such, as it is not referred to as "holidays" anywhere outside of the united states, and to refer to it as "holidays" is innaccurate if not incorrect.
The musical section could use some cleanup, maybe converting the broken paragraph and sentences into a list of episodes with cartman singing? Shad0w 06:09, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
The opening sentance of the article "Southpark is about four fourth grade school boys" struck me as needing adjustment, in the form of the "foul mouthed" section being removed. I would argue that referring to the characters as foul-mouthed in the opening sentance is superfluous, considering that a good deal of the rest of the article is devoted to analyzing the vulgarity of the show (and additionally, the vulgarity of the central characters is not by any means atypical for boys in that age group). In addition, are the characters really fourth-graders? IIRC, they're supposed to be 8 years old, Mr. Garrison was identified as a teacher of third grade, and fourth graders are typically 9-10 years of age. I could be wrong though, on that point, so I didn't change it.
-wgw2024
The characters are in the third grade up until season 4 episode 11. From then on the boys are in the forth grade. 80.47.111.117 01:54, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
So, I know of this website where you can watch any SP episode ever made. You can even watch the movie and lots of bonus stuff. Would it be appropriate to add it into the external links section? I'm not sure. Irish rover 11:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
The site consists of many youtube, myspace video, and many other video hosting sites. Irish rover 00:56, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
The author(s) of this article have completely missed the point of South Park and all of Parker/Stone's work: To make fun of as many people, cultures, and societies as possible in as many ways as possible. It should be fairly obvious to any viewer of South Park that Matt and Trey are not trying to make statements about society or express their religious beliefs (as if they have any.) These guys are all about the humor. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.166.94.171 ( talk) 03:52, 11 March 2007 (UTC).
This article is I agree too serious and fucking retarded. It's the kind of in depth analysis a loser cunt university student would give a program. You've focussed on the shit issues of south park like scientology and how they make fun of religion and the word "satire" has no place on this page.
I think that we could include the fact that the children in the show have a large amount of freedom in travelling. They seem to be able to go wherever thay want, in episodes such as Cartoon Wars and The Passion of the Jew, without any interference by their parents. This is quite different from neglect, as, even though the kids care for the children more or less, the kids never seem to ask them for permission to go to another town or city and the parents never seem to prohibit them to do it or even know about it.-- Orthologist 19:44, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
The parents in South Park are incompetent half of the time. I bet that they don't even know their kids are gone half the time. Kritish5951 05:14, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Uhhh... Orthologist, you, uh, do realize that this is a cartoon, right? Why then should anyone include the fact that these characters can travel freely without interference from their parents?
It is a cartoon, but in most adult cartoons, children characters don't have this ability; they're constantly supervised by their parents ( The Simpsons). Also, please sign your comments.-- Orthologist 09:42, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Repeatedly, the area documenting South Park's misrepresentation of Roman Catholic views on Evolution has been altered. Claiming that the reference was to show the views "of several Catholics" is not supported by fact and is not NPOV. The Catholic Church has an official position, which is documented, the show's transcript, which is also a matter of provable fact, contradicts it. The show could have used a character from a Bible-literalist denomination. It did not.
24.215.145.136 05:12, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
The show is meant for entertainment purposes only...anyone trying to learn about religion or any aspect of it should probably research elsewhere. Jmlk17 21:48, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
whats the leaders of the 6 grades name
hamburger dan
I don't think that in the controversy section, Mormonism and Judaism should be grouped together. Mormons were devoted only one episode that mocked them(and were actually given a quite flattering representation in another), while as Jews are lampooned (even if it is just a throw-away comment by Cartman) in every single episode. Also, how is it considered controversy if the churches have not even issued statements? Kman34 03:38, 9 April 2007 (UTC)Kman34
A controversy doesn't just become a controversy the moment a church of some religon makes a comment on it. Yes it's true that Kyle is insulted regularily on South Park, but Mormonism is made fun of mulitple times, as everyone is dissapointed and all "aww" when they are told that "the correct religon was...Mormonism" in the episode Do the Handicapped Go to Hell? and Mormonism is also portrayed in the episodes sequel, Probably. In both cases, Mormonists are sort of ridiculed as being the "only" way to God and being overly friendly and polite, so you can't just say that they were only mocked in one episode when they weren't.
On a side note and also partially in answer to the claim that "South Park shouldn't be taken as anything more than shock and/or potty humor", Trey Parker and Matt Stone make fun of celebrities or famous people that piss them off all the time on South Park. Princess Diana and Gandhi are in Hell, Phil Collins is portrayed as being as being manipulative and talentless, etc, etc. Basically they find a fault in everyone and rip on it, that's what South Park is about. I quote an extended interview with Trey from the PBS program The Charlie Rose Show, in which a section of the interview was given in the book "South Park and Philosophy: You Know, I Learned Something Today" as edited by Robert Arp. Trey was on the show with Matt, and he proclaimed "What we say with the show is not anything new, but I think it's something that is great to put out there. It is that the people screaming on this side and the people screaming on that side are the same people, and it's OK to be someone in the middle, laughing at both of them." Captain N 1:44 PM, April 12th, 2007 (EST)
I Agree with you that "a controversy doesn't just become a controversy the moment a church of some religion makes a comment on it", but the problem is, there was NO controversy at all with All About Mormons (most Mormons love the depiction, as it is hilariously true). Unless your definition of controversy is that it hurt one member of the Church's feelings, no controversy has occured as a result. No one ever protested it, there was no public outcry, etc., and so including it in this section is just plain stupid. Perhaps it would fit into a "Religions parodied in South Park" category, but it certainly does not fit here. Enlighten me with your rationale for including it in said section, perhaps you can shed some light.
Kman34
06:27, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
The section on Judaism seriously needs splitting from Mormonism and expanding. Anti-semitic jokes are a big part of South Park and this needs discussion about how it can be interpreted in a satirical sense and what the creators have said about this - and they have commented, e.g. on the DVD. Matt Stone mother was also Jewish which gives an insight into the jokes. If you do not think there has been a large controversy over this (I doubt it, but...), as per Kman above, then it can be taken out of the controversy section, but IMHO it must be discussed. Thanks. Singhyuk 05:13, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
The Scientology episode was a big deal because it upset the Scientologist community (i.e. departure of Isaac Hayes, Tom Cruise refusing to promote MI:III if it was shown again in re-runs, etc.). The Mormon episode was NOT big because reaction was extremely mellow and was actually quite well received by the LDS community. This is because Trapped in the Closet showed all Scientologists as crazy or greedy, and CLEARLY stated that Scientology is a "big, fat, global scam." All about Mormons depicted all of the odder Mormon beliefs in a humorous context, but also showed Mormons as good, nice people (albeit a little too nice sometimes) with strong family ties. This is why there was no controversy. All of this, however is just more reason as to why Judaism and Mormonism should not be grouped together. If Mormonism is to be grouped with anything in this section (I personally feel that it does not belong in this section at all), it should be Scientology, because the episode and satire format is similar, as is somewhat stated by Jmlk17 above. 72.8.113.144 22:20, 23 April 2007 (UTC)Kman34
Uh, some guy put "TWO more seasons are planned, with an option of renewal at the end of season 12." I'll fix this... Jay B. 22:19, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
odd, i see no mention of Ike and his teacher in here yet...· Lygophile has spoken 21:27, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I understand and know the episode, but the show is satire; I don't think child abuse and neglect play a big issue. Jmlk17 23:47, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
I wholeheartedly agree. Thank you for pointing out the instances. I want to make it clear that I am not saying we shouldn't have a section for it. What I was previously stating is that I did not believe it was a central theme. It appears that it is a minor theme, more of a random, background issue that occurs at times to certain characters. I mean, I don't believe Stan, nor Kyle have had any episode mention anything of sexual abuse about them in it. I dunno...either way, a small section is probably not a bad idea. Jmlk 17 20:29, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
The page lists the obvious four (Cartmen, Kenny, Kyle and Stan), but it also lists Butters. Now, this is arguably true since Butters was a "fourth friend" after Kenny's season-long death. However, so we Tweek, yet Tweek is not listed. Should Tweek's info be moved to this section? If not, then I think it's fair to remove Butters. Geeky Randy 06:27, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm still unsure about the bureacracy of editing pages, but I removed a piece of the article that appears to be nothing more than vandalism. The word "nigger" was randomly inserted as a heading, with absolutely no reference. It was above the section describing minor characters. I may use the rest of my afternoon browsing old versions of the page to find the user who made that change in the first place. --le petite robot 17:34, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
There is no denying the connection that exists between the Scientology Episode and the two part Cartoon Wars episode. "Trapped in the Closet" aired at the end of season 9 (episode 12). Then episodes 3 and 4 of season 10 were called Cartoon Wars. The episode on Scientology was pulled in from its re-run in the US, and British stations pulled the episode. The entire episode (Cartoon Wars) is devoted to Catman getting an episode of Family Guy pulled because it is too controversial for TV. Alternately, Kyle tries to stop Cartman by arguing that free speech is important and a TV show should leave no topic untouched no matter what. Mohammed's (representing the muslim religion) appearance on Family Guy (on South Park) clearly reflects the controversial view of the scientology religion in Trapped in the Closet. In the same way Family Guy is in this case an allegory for South Park. To call this obvious statement about one episode reflecting the views of the producers toward people that want to remove their show as "nonsense and overall junk" shows ignorance about the history of the show and someone who hasn't watch the two episodes. YOU ARE RETARDED for not seeing this obvious link between reality and these two particular episodes of South Park. Why don't you actually try watching the episodes of South Park before dismissing an obvious fact about the episodes as "nonsense and overall junk". Yes I am talking to you Jmlk17!!! JSP - UOS, TN —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 152.97.130.50 ( talk) 03:36, 1 May 2007 (UTC).
A new noticeboard, Wikipedia:Fiction noticeboard, has been created. - Peregrine Fisher 18:26, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
its so good
people must see that its absalutly hillarious, mabye not for some but for others, it just cracks me up! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.129.193.60 ( talk) 20:58, 8 May 2007 (UTC).
This should be removed, the websites/links are unofficial and we should not promote free downloading, viewing etc. Mr. Garrison ( talk · contribs)
The main article claims the 2nd half of the 11th season will start Wednesday, October 3, 2007, at 8:00 a.m. Does this make sense that it will resume at 8:00am? What's the significance of that time? New episodes typically air at 10:00pm (EST). -David White 20:02, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
SP was tagged as being long, so I made several sections into subarticles, thus, summarizing them here. hmwith talk 22:25, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I've already asked this in the episode list discussion page, but figured I'd have a better chance of getting a response here... has there ever been an official explanation of why the first 4 episodes of season 4 have the year 2000 tagged onto the episode titles? - Ugliness Man 05:24, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
say what?· Lygophile has spoken 16:53, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
There is something very unique about south park.Because of the style of animation, it is actually possible to have an episode of south park in an .svg animation, which is a file format that allows for unlimited up-conversion of images and animation but only in a way of simple shapes,and since south park is already a somewhat brick style animation, you could theoretically up-convert it to high definition using the .svg format and it would look just like that was the normal resolution. Rodrigue 20:01, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
This is from the Characters section. I don't recall this at all.
One of the most popular recent additions to the show's offbeat cast of characters is a Humpty-Dumpty inspired, big-headed drug addict named Turd Ferguson. In the season finale of the 11th season he stuffed Kenny into a crack pipe and smoked him with Towelie. Turd Ferguson was inspired by Sheri Dunn, who is possibly the devil.
-- DMW 20:07, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Say what you will, but that is actually pretty funny.
-Terd Ferguson was a name that Burt Reynolds (played by Norm MacDonald) used in a SNL Celebrity Jeopardy skit.
71.71.203.235 01:07, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed that their isn't really too much information about the actual production of episodes on the main south park page. So I suggest a "Production" subform (with "animation Style" being part of it). I have a few links to actual info about the production of the show (mainly the writing of the episodes). Though i'm not very good at writing articles yet. So if anybody else thinks this is a good idea, i'd be happy to give you the links, that way somebody else could add the info to the main page. But if nobody is interested I will do so myself, and hopefully it will be edited to perfection.-- Swellman 02:17, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Anyone notice that the name "Ike" is similar to the ethnic slur called "kike". Should I add that in triva.
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A bunch of articles from the South Park page have been deleted! I think we need to have this article locked because of vandalism. - W.A.C. (7/25/06)
On wikipedia, they say Tweek is a major character and a minor character. Does he belong in both and if so, shouldn't he be put into the main characters list that's put on the bottom of the page? - W.A.C. (7/20/06)
Some jerk took out the references so I readded them. - W.A.C. (7/15/06)
The article says: He is the epitome of evil. Everything he does is self serving. Every episode in which he appears to be doing something good ends with his true motives being revealed. This is particularly evident in the two part episode Do the Handicapped Go to Hell?.
But that's not really true, there have been a few episodes were Cartman has done some things that weren't self serving, such as the Jackavsaurus (sp?), and Chef's last episode.
Now it calls him a Cockroach? This page has an anti-Cartman bias. RG1985 05:33, 26 July 2006
Yes, and it also calls him stupid, which is not the case. Look at his elaborate scheme in Scott Tenormen Must Die. I also want the word "cockroach" removed. Two many words describing him at the beginning.
Every time I go to this page, there are less and less pictures. There used to be over ten, but now all I see is three (including the main picture on the infobox). What's the deal? Is it copyright issues or what? Zone46 02:23, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
"In 2006, Comedy Central would not allow South Park to show an image of the Islamic prophet Muhammad, likely due to the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy, and fear of similar repercussions."
-No it's because Mohammad is not to be represented visually, and to do so causes great offence to Muslims. Repercussions would indeed be likely, but even if the Dutch cartoon controversy had not happened, a South Park portrayal of Muhammad would have severe consequences anyway. Magic Pickle 00:26, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
But why didnt muslims close embassies and riot when Muhammed was shown being 'super' friends with Jesus, Moses, Joseph Smith, 'Semen', Buddha and so forth? And if Muslims don't watch South Park, why edit the scene, if Muslims don't watch it?
First of all, (Uglinessman) its because of people like you that the whole controversy started in even the first place. Writing letters, essays and recommendations were obviously not going to stop those cartoons from being printed, since the cartoonists were trying to piss people off. I don't necessarily agree with the riots, but how were the muslims supposed to stop the blasphemy of their faith. I guess stopping Danish imports was the only way for them to take any real action against this. Its interesting how a swastika appearing anywhere in Europe is considered racist but when the cartoon controversy took place it was justified as being freedom of speech. This is really no different from the different portrayals of Jesus Christ on the show (sometimes even with a gun no less), its wrong because its just hurtful to those who believe in these figures.
"Same with swastikas - people can get offended and complain all they like, but if a newspaper wants to print one then nobody should be able to stop them. " BobThePirate That entirely depends on the individual country. In the UK and also Germany it would be illegal if a newspaper printed a swastika and a pro-nazi article. As for the issue of whether or not Muslims are right to riot over cartoons or whatever, it's a moot point: the fact is that they do. Consequently, what Stone and Parker fail to realise is that when they create something which could arouse the anger of Muslims, they are asking all those involved in the production and broadcast of the cartoon to face that severe anger along with them. They are willing to risk the consequences: fine. But is it fair they should expect others at Comedy Central to, when the consequences might very well go beyond protest and picket, to something worse. Magic Pickle 01:20, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
The bottom line is, the Islamic faith seriously need to adapt to the modern world. They need to change their position on the depiction of Mohammad because in today's world many countries have freedom of speech, press, and expression. Sure, it might have made sense 1500 years ago, but it just doesn't work today. Having your extremists riot over the depiction of your prophet is ridiculous. It would be like the England still allowing people to be stoned to death as punishment for their crimes because hey, it use to happen in our faith. All major religions used to be batshit crazy. Christianity with the crusades and genocide (the Americas), Islam with Jihads, etcetera etcetera. Then people and religions policies changed, and Islam needs to catch up As people have already stated, Mohammad was already depicted in the Super Best Friends episode and nothing happens. Also he appears in the crowd at the beginning sequence of each show. Allowing your own fear to change a show to meet the demands of others is called terrorism. Anonymous
Nothing happened after the South Park portrayal of Mohammed, it did not cause riots etc - but - it easily could have. Is it fair to expect the staff of Comedy Central to possibly risk their lives for the sake of a stupid cartoon? I don't think so. If Parker and Stone want to upset Islamists: fine, but maybe they should do it on their own website or a private DVD release. In the real world, many of the staff at CC won't want to risk the danger - and fair enough - I know I wouldn't risk my life to protect an episode of South Park of all things. Magic Pickle 20:59, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Basically, the prophet Mohammed, is forbidden in Islam to be drawn or depicted visually. This might be connected to the "no graven images" commandment in the Old Testament, since the OT is a holy book to Muslims as well. Any depiction is against the rules, although as (is it Kyle?) points out, the rules are for Muslims. I'm not sure of the Quran's stance on getting all upset about other people depicting him. Presumably it's at the risk of the depictor's own soul.
Islam isn't really any more violent or silly than any other of the Abrahamic religions, it just suffers a lot more extremism than they do. Though then again, if the Christian fundamentalists in the USA got the same media coverage, perhaps we'd see them on TV every other day, ranting and rabbling in crowds. Fr*d Ph*lps pickets -funerals-, for god's sake.
It disappeared recently and I was just curious as to were it went. Zone46 03:24, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Think I found a hidden code in the 'Goobacks' episode. See the 'Goobacks' talk page for details. Well I looked at the goobacks talk page and all i saw was something about terminator:3-- Yowiki 06:40, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that the last person to edit the page [*cough*SCIENTOLOGIST*cough*] deleted the entire thing. I threw it back up for you all.
The political section tagged get me rewrite blows primarily because it reifies existing political categories while the show itself is primarily anti-Fascist.
The show itself is Adorno's "nightmare of childhood".
It is filled with adult characters out of Adorno's NOC in Minima Moralia.
"For example, in the episode where Cartman joins the association NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love association) is actually a real group of people."
There's a few things wrong with that sentence. I've changed it to:
"For example, in episode #406, "Cartman Joins NAMBLA", NAMBLA (the North American Man/Boy Love Association) is an actual organization."
I also felt that the opening wording, "South park is a comedy animated series" was really awkward and changed it to "an animated comedy series" and removed the (unnecessary IMO) wiki links.
I changed the reason for Stan not vomiting anymore when Wendy speaks to him. The original words suggested that this ended with the Raisins episode (7.14) because the voice actor providing her voice had died. This is incorrect, and is confusing the suicide of Mary Kay Bergman in 1999 with the departure of Eliza Schneider in 2003 (both of whom voiced Wendy). So far as I can tell, Ms. Schneider is still very much alive and working on other projects. Martin Blank 23:00, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
With regards to the "he's like Keanu Reeves" mention in the "Best Friends Forever" episode, surely this is a reference to his character in the "Matrix" series of movies, rather than constantine? Nervie 21:16, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
It should be noted in the Music section that Trey Parker (and maybe Matt Stone; I'm not sure) was previously a music major at his university in Colorado before dropping out to film Cannibal! the Musical.
I changed "Token Williams" to "Token Black" as he has been called more than once in the show. Most recently in the episode involving the Chinese mafia. - Kugamazog
There are a few things here which I think needs to be proved with facts. Did Comedy Central really decide to stop showing South Park during summer? Also, did they actually digitally take Blame Canada out of the movie and replace it with O Canada? I'm not ignorant about the show, and I think I would have heard about this stuff had it actually been done. Kaishin 14:27 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Dunno about the former, but the latter is definitely false: I own the Canadian DVD and Blame Canada's intact. (I've fixed the page.) JoeNotCharles
I removed
Who claims this? And does this make sense as an explanation? Does the Academy have an explicit profanity-avoidance policy? -- Ryguasu 22:00 Nov 17, 2002 (UTC)
It makes sense, but is it a known fact? I mean, I don't think the person who made that claim knew for a fact that that was the reason they chose the song, and is therefore a conjecture, or an opinion at the worst, and doesn't have a place in an objective enyclopedia of facts.
Better phrasing would be, "Blame Canada was nominated for an Oscar for best song, perhaps because it was one of the few songs in the movie without profanity and therefore suitable for broadcast.
Tommertron 03:55 19 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Holy God, check out the What Links Here page. Gnome appears eight times. What's that all about? - Branddobbe 04:50, Jan 31, 2004 (UTC)
Moses is described here as a 'fiery dreidel,' yet his appearance is actually that of the Master Control Program from the movie TRON.
I question deleting the line about South Park not being cancelled. If someone is reading the article, they might NOT know that it was still on the air. --rp
I am editing this comment in the "Trivia" section:
They did not "release" any feature films. They merely starred in BASEketball, written & directed by others. -- Feitclub 19:03, Sep 12, 2004 (UTC)
The whole politics of South Park is a somewhat rediculous notion. I would contend that as many liberals watch and enjoy the show as do conservatives. There is no evidence supporting this and the term South Park Republican is not widely accepted (evidence: [1]). The author argues that the term is not inherant to the show South Park. Libertarian bias does exist in the show, but not republican bias. The idea of South Park Republicans is mentioned almost exclusively by Republicans. If this is not modified I support a notice of bias on this article. Flying Hamster 00:12, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I disagree - although I am quite liberal and love southpark, I do notice that they are more conservative than liberal. There is no point in getting into a left vs right vs liberterian argument here, but assumming that liberterian is independant of left/right (becuase SP is clearly liberterian). My reasons lie in the fact that they mock liberal values much, much, more than conservative values. They show liberals to be idiots who are wrong. They show conservatives to be rednecks, but not wrong. I am not saying that they back Bush (I don't know anything about this) but judging from the show alone, I refuse to believe that they are anything left of center. 69.136.234.155
I'm going to go ahead and delete both liberal and conservative as "spokespersons" seems to say enough without showing bias toward one side or the other.
Regarding the whole 'liberal' vs. 'conservative' debate, I just don't see it and I'd suggest that this section be toned down significantly because it's just a lot of speculation. I'd agree that in its current state, the article is biased (although perhaps unintentionally so). Even the show's own creators are on the record saying the show doesn't lean one way or the other. I think that people on one side or the other of this topic usually tend to see their own side as taking the brunt of the satire because they are more sensitive to their own views roasting on the BBQ. As a case in point, when JibJab's "This Land is Your Land" parody came out liberal people I knew said it was too hard on Kerry and conservatives equally said it was too hard on Bush. It seems that each side interprets criticism of it's own views as more severe than criticism of the other side (because it's only "correct" to criticise the other side as wrong, I guess). I'd suggest we all just accept that trying to interpret a political bent in the humor of the show in the absence of clear, irrefutable evidence of a trend (or a statement from the creators) is inherently error prone due to observer bias.
If anything, I'd say the creators are contrarian since they tend to highlight things that may be a relatively accepted view (such as Alcoholics Anon being a good thing) and show an alternate perspective. Just about any large, well-known movement is lampooned in some way (except for those that are disliked by most people, which are then shown in an unexpected good light (ie tobacco company)). Confounding expectation and playing against type are just mechanisms of humor. I would agree that the creators seem to be generally anti-big group, pro individualism, pro self-expression and anti-self-importance but I don't think that those views can be said to map onto the conservative/liberal spectrum.
My vote is that this section be rewritten in a much minimized form that mentions that some people on each side believe that the show creators generally support their viewpoints and that some on each side say the show creators are opposed to their viewpoint. The creators themselves say there is no fixed viewpoint. The section could conclude with the general thought that "there isn't enough evidence to conclude one way or the other. Southpark satires many views leaving sensibilities across the spectrum offended at various times and the creators seem to be proud of that."
I think the creators of the show would think little of all of you trying to determine their politics. Just watch the show and enjoy it for what it is.
I'm deleting the statement about the show only being aired once a day; there are at least a couple of nights a week when two episodes air, and first-run episodes fall into the block of programming that Comedy Central reruns two hours later on the same night. Not to mention the conflict the frequent showings of the movie would have with this "rule."
I have high doubts about the "no South Park in summer" statement, although it would be interesting if it were true. - Hedgey42 17:09, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
If PBS shows it, it'll definitely be TV-Y7 FV. -- Anonymous
I'm deleting the statement that says that Chef is used less frequently because Isaac Hayes was offended by the Scientology episode. The reason for this is that the Scientology episode was the 12th episode of the most recent season. Chef has not been in an episode since much before that.
This article is missing mentions of Mr. Hanky (recurring character) and David Hasselhoff. -- G3, 03:58, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
The link at Jesus vs. Frosty leads to a page that describes it identically to "The Spirit of Christmas", and doesn't match the description on the page. I don't know which is right, so I'll leave the edit to someone else, and also drop a note on the other page.
Are the creators Republicans? If its not well confirmed maybe it shudn't be part of the encyclopedia. I have little idea as I live far far away in India. But my objective is to bring to notice that part of the article to others who can more objectively analyse and judge.
The confusion is most likely do to the fact that there were two shorts titled "The Spirit of Christmas" with Jesus going up against Frosty in the first one and against Santa in the better-known christmas card one. Apofisu 20:49, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
What exactly is the deal with the Braniff logo at the end??? Lee M 01:34, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Q. - Why is there a Braniff Airlines ad at the end of every episode?
A. - Matt and Trey choose Braniff as the name for their production company when they began South Park. They have the right to use the logo on South Park but do not have any other rights to it. It continues to make them laugh.
We should add characters uncle jimbo and his friend who speaks with the artificial voicebox... i'll do it later if i have time 64.59.209.89 14:53, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Towlie's profile seriously needs cleaned up
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This is a question for anyone who knows the answer. For a pictureof the four main characters, the description says that is how they appear in eight of nine seasons. What season did they appear different? What did they look like? Chaz 16:48, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
Just a query: What on earth does the PSP have to do with Terri Schiavo?
I don't recall anyone in South Park with the surname of "Harrison". Brittany 22:17, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
Currently the Chef Aid article is a redirect to the Chewbacca Defence. Would it be possible to create a stub for Chef Aid keeping the links to the preceding and successive episode. Thanks for your help. Capitalistroadster 05:42, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
Why has South Park not done a parody of the Killdozer? It is perfect material as 1) nobody was killed or injured (except Marvin), 2) it happened in a small Colorado town, 3) the real mayor sounds as corrupt as the mayor from South Park, and 4) the method is so outrageous it lends itself to satire.-- RPlunk 16:46, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
Is this really a recurring theme in South Park? -- DrBat 23:55, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm not convinced that animal sexuality should be a recurring theme either. When I think of reccurring themes themes on the show, I think of things like Kenny's death, Chef's songs about sex, Cartman's conservatism, Kyle's liberalism, poking fun at celebrities, religion, etc. These are all more prominent themes than animal sexuality. Animal sexuality is a major plot point in only 3 episodes: Big Gay Al's Big Gay Boat Ride, An Elephant Makes Love to a Pig, and Chickenlover, while there are minor references to it in at least 7 others: Cat Orgy, Hooked on Monkey Phonics (masturbating monkey), Scott Tenorman Must Die (pony performing fellatio on a hot dog), Proper Condom Use (the aforementioned scene with Stan's dog), The Death Camp of Tolerance ( Lemmiwinks), Douche and Turd (with PETA), and Woodland Critter Christmas (porcupine is pregnant). Are ten mentions of animal sexuality in 140 episodes enough to make it a "recurring theme"? Maybe, but I just think there are better "recurring themes" out there. I just don't think of animal sexuality when I think of South Park. -- Yoberalf 15:28, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
In the episode Bloody Mary, about two thirds of the way thru the episode, when Randy is in the truck, talking to Stan, you can briefly see one of the aliens from Cartman Gets an Anal Probe on the right side of the screen. Anyone know if there's any significance to this appearance?
Yes there is a significance as in every episode of the series these aliens have cropped up in one way or the other...
Sorry folks. I posted two edits to this article by accident. My intent was to revert one edit, but it looks like somehow I also managed to revert a chopped off text on the political controversy as a 2nd revert. If that one's wrong or anything feel free to fix it. Thanks FT2 22:42, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
I think that Tweek should be removed of the major characters section. He had some important time in the 6th season as the 4th friend, but it only was for three or four chapters. After that he never had a relevant role. And there is a lot of characters that could be there such as Wendy or Chef, that always made important appearances. Even Jesus or Saddam have more major time than Tweek.-- Bauta 22:22, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi all. Okay this article needs to be worked on. First of all nobody uses sources during the text and there is no references at the end of the article. Everybody must point out, during the text, where they took their information. There are a lot of dates, "facts" and all that in the text but nothing says to me it is true. Also, a lot of information is mainly opinions about how the show has what conservative point of view or not and if it displaying a view satirical view that is close to reality. These are opinions and not only are they opinions from the writers of this article, the writers backed their opinions with ONE exemple each time. Who says this isn't an exception you picked to make us all believe it was right ? Also the the article is big it could probable be reduced. Let's get to work people ! Bragador 03:18, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Ok I'll start the editing. Let's see... For the intro what we could actually keep is:
So that's for the first paragraph. Now for the second one.
That would be a nice second part though we should add a link for the episode to back our claims. Also a link to a critic's site would be nice to back the "blunt handling of current events". Now for the 3rd.
This is totally out of place. It should be in an article about the episode itself. Now for the 4th.
ok. in place of the whole thing I would say
As for the "Tribune Entertainment" i added it in the first paragraph. Now for the 5th.
This is totally opinionated ! We need at least one source for the reputation and one for the "presented in realistic and unexagerated yet absurd ways". For now it has no place in the article. As for the nambla, scientology and jackson stuff who says it has really been portrayed "mostly true to real life" ? We need links to critics !
Someone-somewhere has reduced the {totaldispute} down to {disputed} and I don't see any further talk of inaccurate facts so I am going to delete the factual inaccuracy tag. Thane Eichenauer 08:35, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
In the past week the Catholic League have managed to get the episode Bloody Mary cancelled from Comedy Central's lineup: http://www.defamer.com/hollywood/south-park/bloody-mary-episode-ensures-south-park-guys-a-bungalow-in-hell-145774.php
The League have issued a press release regarding the yanking: http://www.catholicleague.org/05press_releases/quarter%204/051230_Southpark_pulled.htm
Perhaps they forgot to read: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment01/06.html
Where do you guys get most of your episode screen shots from. I like to include a screen shot from their "Free Willzyx", but that is not included in Wikipedia yet. Thanks. Zach (Smack Back) 03:19, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
southparkstudios.com normally but im pretty sure theres a Free Willzyx screenshot in by now. Discordance 18:49, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Just a little nitpick, but the image on the article is wrong. It says one of the many deaths of Kenny from the episode Rainforest Schmainforest, though he doesn't actually die in the episode.
Actually, he does die. He is resusicitated, however, but still, had Kelly not been there he would have remained permanently dead.
Hurricanehink
02:51, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
I disagree. He didn't die because if he was dead he would have been permanently dead, you cant bring someone back from the dead, unless their body is still functioning. Once it shuts down, thats it, you're dead. Kenny's body must still have been functioning for him to be brought back to conciousness.
Thats because South park makes fun of things and the show dosen't have to be logical.-- Yowiki 06:41, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't know where this comes from. I've read the Stone was RAISED agnostic, but I don't know if this means he IS agnostic. If this comes from an interview or something, a reference would be appreciated. Corbmobile
This is from imdb.com
Tom Cruise has reportedly stopped an episode of South Park that mocks him from being aired in Britain. The show, in which Nicole Kidman and Cruise's fellow Scientologist John Travolta are depicted attempting to coax an animated version of the actor out of a closet caused controversy when broadcast in the US. The cartoon Kidman tells Cruise, "Don't you think this has gone on long enough? It's time for you to come out of the closet. You're not fooling anyone." - referring to allegations about Cruise's sexuality. According to TheRegister.co.uk, Paramount has agreed not to show the episode again, after Cruise complained. A source tells the site, "Tom is famously very litigious and will go to great lengths to protect his reputation. Tom was said not to like the episode and Paramount just didn't dare risk showing it again. It's a shame that UK audiences will never see it because it's very funny."
Is it just me being paranoid or there used to be an article about episode 12 (season 8), "Stupid Spoiled Whore..."? You know, about that Hilton creature. Looks kind of weird: every single episode has a separate article, only that one is in red. -- Bicycle repairman 01:56, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
"This was meant as a satire on a NYPD Blue episode released shortly before this episode where one of the main characters said the phrase "shit happens" without being censored, and the American public discussed this for weeks. "
Actually, the series that used the phrase was the CBS hospital drama "Chicago Hope", not NYPD Blue.
I can't say for sure, but it seems to me that the first major appearance of Butters indicated that he was Mr. Mackey's son. The episode was one third of the "Meteor Shower" trilogy, the episode with the party at Mr. Mackey's house. I was under the assumption that the reason he was at the party (and had to hang in the basement with the other kids) was because he lived there and Mackey couldn't find a babysitter (like the other parents). The way he talks is almost like a child version of Mackey's voice, although a little more energetic, and I think he even shared the "mm'kay" in that early episode.
Since I don't have the DVDs of that season, I'm hoping someone can review this episode for me. If I'm right, I think it's worth noting in the article.
- Ugliness Man 17:22, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
The episode to which you are referring is episode 308. I watched it again and did not catch any references or indications of a relationship between Butters and Mr. Mackey.
Does Anybody happen to have any informatoin regarding the new lemmiwinks episode?
According to the FAQ on the South Park site, Lemmiwinks is promised to return one day, although nobody knows when.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/show/display_faq_search.php?section=2&id=34946&tab=10
Under running gags, in the part about Chef talking to the kids, it says 'Curiously, Chef always refers to even one child as "children".' I think some verification is needed on this, because I think the only time Chef ever did this was in episode 113 "Cartman's Mom is a Dirty Slut", when Cartman went to Chef's house thinking Chef was his dad. It seems to me that the joke is that because Cartman is so fat, Chef refer to him in plural terms, but as far as I know, it was only Cartman, and only that episode. I'll leave it for awhile, but if nobody can site another episode as an example, I'm going to change the text. - Ugliness Man 18:50, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
I dont remember myself and trying not to drop any spoilers but pay close attention to the end of season 6, he may say it there. Discordance 18:43, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
72.192.153.126 anonymously changed the text to once again indicate that Chef does this for any child, but nobody has been able to verify this by citing an episode in which he does this to someone other than Cartman. I've reverted the edit, if someone wishes to change it back, please cite the episode in which it occured, and which child Chef is speaking to when he does this. - Ugliness Man 12:53, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
In "Are You Up There God?", Chef refers to Stan as children 1028 20:03, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
In episode 302 "Spontaneous Combustion", Chef refers to Cartman as "children".
Well, not everywhere. I have made some minor NPOV edits which I doubt anyone will think are unwarranted. My main worry is in "Political Controversy" section which apart from being POV and unsourced needs major cleanup. I personally have little opinion on the show, though I tend to like some episodes more than others. It needs cleanup because it repeats itself a little. It needs cleanup because it repeats itself a little. Views such as it being conservative need to be sourced as coming from someone, it's not enough just to say it, you also cannot out-and-out say it is conservative, you need to say that "some say" that it's conservative and reference who says it. There is plenty of criticism from the Parents Television Council to be referred to. It needs rewriting so I'm tagging it. No offense dudes. Angrynight 03:45, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
P.S. My minor NPOV edits may have made wording slightly awkward. Fell free to fix that without reverting it. Angrynight 03:54, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Fine by me reading that section through its all over the place. Needs completely reorganising for a start rewriting and then sourcing. I was thinking something like.
Then it needs merging with censorship and possibly recurring themes. Actually ill group the appropiate sections now before a rewrite starts. Discordance 15:53, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
I completely disagree with 129.22.247.117. The article seems biased and my own personal opinion is that it is ludicrous to suggest that the it is conservative. However, in the interests of fairness and to be unbiased, I agree with Discordance in the way that it should be set out with the different sections. Ben Dando 11:25, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Actually, Chef says 'children' while reffering to a single person for several times in different episodes of some of the first seasons, or at least this is how I recall it. Unfortunately, I can't remember which episodes this happens, but I'll try to find out ...sorry guys...
The current edit of this article says: In January of 2006, Comedy Central's United Kingdom affiliate removed the episode "Trapped in the Closet" from its broadcast schedule, reportedly in order to avoid legal action by actor Tom Cruise, considering Matt and Trey just signed with Paramount who also happens to employ Cruise. That episode was screened on February 20 on SBS in Australia. SBS has since been threatened with Legal Action.
The alleged legal action filed against SBS needs to be sourced. I am familiar with the station in question, and I know that no legal threats have either been made or followed through on. I realise "original research" has no validity, but if the legal action reference is to stand it needs to be sourced properly. Using the Fairfax newspaper library in Australia (which has a record of every article published in Australian newspapers) I have been unable to find any published reference in the Australian media of such a legal threat. ( Whoby 00:19, 3 March 2006 (UTC))
If a source cant be found for controversal statements WP policy is you can remove it on sight if you want and it shouldnt be readded till someone can source it. Discordance 20:55, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Ok. I will leave the paragraph, but remove the "has since been threatened" sentence. ( Whoby 00:07, 4 March 2006 (UTC))
Someone deleted a previous edit without explanation. The creators of the show are obviously against stem cell research as shown in "Krazy Kripples", and so it at least deserves being mentioned. Do not delete it again.
Keep it civil please. As is often the case with matt and trey theyve gone for balance the show rarely displays favour to either side of controversys, I do agree with ugly man and any assertions like this will be deleted on sight. However it is something to discuss in the political issues section (although that section still needs a cleanup) but only when both sides are covered with christopher reeve being shown as an evil supervillian powered by dead fetus, whilst stem cell research develops a cure for kennys illness in 513 albeit too late and then cartman makes a mockery of things. Discordance 20:53, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
So Mr. ügliness Man" has demonstrated his hypocrisy by accusing someone else of inserting their own opinion on stem cell research onto a television show. What is the point anyways, whether or not South Park endorses or condemns a controversial point doesn't mean you are right/wrong. What is your point "Ugliness Man" and the poster above him? Anonymous 8:13:20, 3 March 2007 (PST)
Meow ! Magic Pickle 02:10, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
13 MARCH 2006 - Issac Hays today quit the show, citing his displeasure with it's "bigotry" regarding religion. He claimed that people's religion is sacred, and that the show has "crossed the line".
I wonder where he was when the line got crossed with regards to Catholics (several times), Mormons, Jews, and Muslims (the ORIGINAL Muhammad cartoon). Now that Scientology got its serving, a line has been crossed. Pathetic.
I don't "automatically" believe it because it came from Trey or Matt; I believe it because I never heard one negative public comment about the show from Hayes until after Scientology got hit. It is true they hit the Catholic church again a few weeks after that, but if that was what pushed him over the edge, why did he participate in the episode that ridiculed the Catholic Church for the sex abuse scandal? Or the one where the boys catch priest Maxi screwing a woman in the confessional? Those weren't controversial??? He continued working with them YEARS after that, as well as long after Mohammed appeard in "SuperBestFriends", he was silent when they suggested that Mormons are gullible and "dumb, dumb, dumb", silent when they ridiculed Native Americans spirituality and culture...He appreciated their religious satire for a long time without comment; why is the show suddenly so offensive that he can no longer be involved? Of two "contoversial" episodes in the tenth season, one ridiculed his faith; the other ridiculed a group they had hit many times before. Which do you think is more likely to have been the reason?
I just read that Issac Hays had a stroke January 17th. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,188463,00.html
Following Issac Hayes publicized leaving of the show because of the "insensitive" parody of Scientology, the airing of the episode in question "Trapped in the Closet" was pulled, and replaced with an older episode. I'd hate to jump to conclusions, but why is it not aired. It's still being advertised as the episode is not played on the Comedy Central Website at 10:09.
That change MAY have been because they wanted to generate attention for Chef: both of the episodes tonight were Chef-intensive (Chef Aid and Salty Chocolate Balls), so they might be trying to show us a lot of Chef-related episodes to illustrate what we won't see anymore. (POST SCRIPT: THIS WAS THE "OFFICIAL" REASON GIVEN BY COMEDY CENTRAL, ALTHOUGH IT SMELLS FISHY...)
The "Response" subsection of the "Censorship" section is almost nothing but a discussion of the 10th-season premiere where Chef is killed off. This material is already covered in the "Chef" entry in "Recurring Characters." It seems better to take the Response section out because of the duplicated information; in my opinion, this info fits better in the "Recurring Characters" section.
South park would never sell out 02:31, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
In April of 2001, at my last job, when I was given my orientation, I was made to sit through a 30-minute film about diversity in the workplace. It was allegedly made by Trey and Matt. Matt acted in it, although I did not see Trey anywhere. It involved singing and dancing as the workers showed their employer that you need to look at diversity not just in terms of color or ethnicity, but in terms of age, experience, educational background, and values. Otherwise, "diversity" is nothing more than a superficial crock. Steve Landesberg, formerly "Barry" of the comedy series Barney Miller, was in it.
I was wondering if anybody else saw this video?
Does anyone know why South Park has never been released from Season 5 onwards in the UK? Play.com had Season 5 as 'available soon' for about 2 years before giving up. Douglasnicol 23:39, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
The part about religion claims that Chef wants to give anal sex to little kids and then goes to hell is... from what I recall, not true. As far as the hell thing goes, anyway. -- Discharger12 02:06, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
I saw an ad on Comedy Central congratulating them on the win. I looked for verification and found it. Got lazy and decided not to cite the page, but if someone has the urge... Also, perhaps we should add a section regarding awards the show has won. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.251.46.22 ( talk • contribs)
They one the Best Original Song from the MTV awards
Is R. Kelly really a Scientologist as it says in the "Scientology Scuffle" section's "Origins" paragraph?
They were just trying to make fun of his song Trapped in the Closet in the scientology episode, i guess people assumed hes a scientologist.
He's a scientologist. or at least the church of scientology claim he is. it's on his wikipedia article. check the article if you want to know something. wouldn't that be the logical thing? If asking a question on an encyclepedia, check the encylepedia.
From the article:
Are there bleeped instances of the word in the same episode? Otherwise, the dangling attribute seems superfluous. In the interest of informativeness... - Samsara ( talk • contribs) 00:25, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
No the question was "Are there bleeped instances of the word in the same episode". So the answer has everything to do with the discussikon at hand, for the question was the begining of the discussion and the answer the end of it.
Someone has written the following under religious humor: "In 2006 Comedy Central banned South Park from showing an image of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. In retaliation, South Park aired a 2 part episode culminating in President Bush, Jesus Christ, and various other Americans defecating on each other and the American flag. (This episode originally aired during Holy Week for Christians.)" I think the author meant easter since Christmas 2006 has not yet arrived.
But Trey Parker and Matt Stone aren't Muslim, on the contrary Stone is a Jew
I remember watching the movie a bit before, (I've been watching the show South Park start to finish as of late) and am wondering when I'm supposed to watch the movie. I noticed that during the movie Devil had stopped having gay sex with Saddam due to telling him off and in later episodes of the show he was indeed with someone else. And another reference as to when we should watch the movie is Stan and Wendy. He always puked whenever Wendy came like inches from him like he does in the movie but later in season 4 I think he gets over that puking business. So when exactly do we watch the South Park movie for all of us who are curious?
Thank you for that. I've been looking all over the place on the NET as to when to watch the movie and not anyone not even SPStudio.com has even posted the movie etc. Thanks for the input. You should change the Episode listing to have the movie inbetween Season 2 and 3. That way people know from now on.
Why is he noted as a main character when in several episodes he isnt a main recurring character and often only noted for gags and small jokes and in recent episodes non occuring. Also if you state that he is supposed to be a main character then why does his link at the bottom link to recurring characters page with his mini bio there? - avalean 17.april
The trivia section is way too long, in my opinion. Any ideas on how to trim it down? M2K e 19:53, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Whoever added Pip in the "Main character" section seems to be in denial that Pip was never a main character or simply has his information wrong. Pip had very few speaking lines per episode in the early episodes, and by the later seasons he's barelly in the backround anymore. He had a slight roll in the Dodgeball episode, One episode to himself ( which most people hate ), and a minor roll in the Meteor shower episode ( and was upstaged highly by Butters ) and that's about it. He was never was, and never meant to be a main character. Nor was he popular. Pip simply shouldn't be up there. If any kid should be up there, it should be Jimmy who's starred in several episodes and on the cover of a DVD boxset. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mercyfulfate666 ( talk • contribs) 03:56, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Token Black is as "major", if not more, as Pip.
In the article the following is said in reference to Mr. Garrison's homosexuality: "At the beginning of the series, Mr. Garrison was a chronic gay basher and until confronted by his "Gay Side," had gay fantasies which he always denied having. Mr. Garrison also had a hand puppet, named Mr. Hat, which he explained was gay to a therapist in one episode. The therapist told Mr. Garrison that he expressed his repressed homosexuality through Mr. Hat. This eventually led him to admit he was gay and proud of it." I feel that this is misleading in that the episode being referenced with the therapist ("Summer Sucks") doesn't really lead to Garrison accepting anything about his homosexuality. Rather, the episode "4th Grade," where Mrs. Choksondik seeks out Mr. Garrison in the mountains and impresses upon him that he must come to terms with who he is is moreso why he accepts his homosexuality. Blinutne 21:38, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
I keep making a small section on the South Park page about how some people Critisize South Park, and people keep reverting it, what is the problem? http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=South_Park&diff=56852774&oldid=56852519 I think this is a perfectly fine section of it. People need to know about these kinds of things, and I am staying 100% neutral with my opinions, im just laying down the FACTS of what other people believe.
WHAT is the problem this time?! User:Igotsomeapples
Igotsomeapples 18:03, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
No, I'm sorry. You misunderstood: you should sign your posts on talk pages, not your contributions to articles.
Ok, so here's the paragraph:
Some people believe that South Park is nothing but "Foul Language and Toilet Humor", which it was criticized alot in its first season. In response to that, Matt Stone and Trey Parker made "Terrence and Phillip" to show people what a REAL "Foul Language and Potty Humor" show was. Many long time fans have critised as well that the show's quality has been dropping since Season 9, that they're focusing more on proving a point than being funny. Many parents think its ok for their kids to watch South Park at first because it looks like a kids cartoon, but later they find out its not, and accuse South Park for "Corrupting the youth". Artists such as John Kricfalusi, maker of Ren & Stimpy believe that the show is overrated due to the one factor that its easy to draw, and animate an episode, and an episode would take less than a week to be made. Obviously South Park receives alot of criticism from the targets that they make fun of, especially religion. This lead to Issac Hayes to leave before the 10th Season started, because he is a scientologist, and they made fun of scientology.
The way I see it, there are several problems with this paragraph. First, the content is covered elsewhere in the article already. Second, it's simply not very well written. Third, it doesn't follow Wikipedia's manual of style (for example, there are few instances where it's acceptable to use ALL CAPS in an article). Fourth, it contains unverified and unsourced claims. Exploding Boy 18:05, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
It's a blasphemetic, racist, and pointlessly profane program. Especially the blasphemetic part. I can't even type what stopped me from watching another second. I suggest you do the same and try to go to heaven. The creators are either atheists or Satanists.
"South Park is an American animated television comedy series about four fourth grade school boys who live in the small town of South Park, Colorado." FWIW, the four were in third grade in seasons one, two and three. Perhaps, this could be clarified somehow. 67.168.45.34 07:14, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I think I am Most definately wrong, but under the Vulgarity subsection of the controversy section, it states that the episode "It hits the Fan" poked fun at an incident where the word "Shit" was spoken uncensored on an episode of Chicago Hope which aired "shortly before this episode". A quick search of wikipedia reveals that "It hits the fan" was aired in 2001, whereas Chicago Hope went off the air in 2000, making it impossible for said episode of chicago hope to have aired "shortly before" the south park episode was created. Also the usage of the word on chicago hope wasn't really that big of a deal, as this article would have you believe.
Another problem is that in the "Animation Style" section it states: "Construction paper cut-outs were used in the original pilot animation and in the first episode made for Comedy Central. Subsequent episodes have been produced by computer animation that provides the same look..." This statement seems to give the impression that construction paper cut-outs were used in the pilot, and then used again in a seperate episode, which was the first to air on comedy central. It also gives the impression that computer animation was not used on the first episode. The truth of the matter is that the pilot was an early version of episode 101, and the first episode which comedy central aired was an edited version of the pilot, which retained much of the footage from the pilot (which was created entirely using construction paper), however it also included several new or reworked scenes created using computer animation. Wheras this point may seem moot, accuracy is very important on wikipedia, and i feel that the statement i originally quoted is very inaccurate and should be altered. 68.255.184.57 08:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I noticed a potential inaccuracy under "Religion" in "Recurring Themes". The text currently states that Kyle's father dresses in Hasidic Jewish garb. He actually just dresses in a suit and a kippah. Though the kippah identifies him as jewish, his outfit is not really Hasidic jewish attire. Ilyana145 09:32, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
"Spouth Park" ripps on all religions and races and other things. They mostly pick on Jews, African American's, and man many others.
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I don't consider them anti-environmental at all. Rather, they're anti-advocacy groups. They tend to rip on anyone that sits at the extreme of the spectrum on matters. They support people using common sense, rather than jumping on a fanatical bandwagon or using sensationalism. -- CBrewster 20:24, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Southpark has gotten more and more anti envirnomental. Which I don't have a problem with if they wrote better plots with stronger arguments. But their recent epsidoes have been pretty weak..
I disagree with this statement. There is satirization of environmentalists at times but to say that it is anti environment is factually incorrect. Please take a look at the "rainforest...is not anti-environmental" section further down this talk page. Ben Dando 11:34, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
I think the episode 'Smug Alert' perfectly summarises their views on environmentalists which is not anti-environmental. 82.69.40.37
Well Trey Parker is a confirmed libertarian, you need to watch the content of shows with this in mind. You then see the SP arguments tend to lean towards libertarianism, and probably why Stone says they 'really hate liberals' - because the left is more likely to use state intervention than the right, which is the deadly sin for libertarians. Magic Pickle 03:51, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Cwolfsheep 02:27, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Is there anyone out there who knows of all the "Hidden Visitor" sightings? If so, would you be willing to create a section informing us of those sightings in each episode? -- Salvax 23:49, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
In the religion section, the one sentence i have a problem with is "This is ironic because in one episode they blatently call Mormonism a complete hoax made up by a guy who was obviously lying." They definitely do strongly imply it's a hoax, it's just not blatant.-- Charibdis 18:38, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
No, it was pretty blatant. While they never said it outright, they implied it heavily enough through all of the jokes that it is "an elaborate hoax" and such.
..umm, what good does Mormonism do? Magic Pickle 03:52, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Just a minor little detail: under the section about Satan, the description says that he hosts Luaus, when he in fact hosts Hukilaus.
Well, I didn't read the article in full, but I did do a few searches, and there seems to be no mention of how the children's voices are done. In this official faq link the faq maintainer say that the children's voices are done by adjusting pitch. Someone even readjusted the pitch of two scenes in the movie so you can hear what they sound like here (Mr. Garrison teaches math) and here (What Would Brain Boitano Do?. If you know what Matt and Trey sound like, then you can hear them easily in the boys' voices.
Surely this deserves a mention in at least the trivia section. I watched the entire series as of now, and the movie, and always just assumed Matt and Trey were incredible at mimicking young boys. 70.66.9.162 07:21, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Oh, and apparantly (official faq) Satan's voice is pitch-shifted down. 70.66.9.162 07:36, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Here's a video of Trey Parker in real time doing a quick Cartman (see 1:15 or so) and it really sounds like crap compared to the voices we hear in finished episodes. Definitely tweaked. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok1ChgLORIs
In an interview for CBS w/ Matt and Trey, there was a shot of the guys in the booth recording dialogue for the episode Free Willzyx(sp). Kyle (Matt Stone) asks the whale "What do you want to talk about?" and the whale (Trey Parker) responds, "Let's talk about rocketships!" Stone's voice while reading the line sounded much different from Kyle's voice like you would hear in a finished episode. Unfortunately I just searched YouTube and can't find that particular video anymore.
As for this article...isn't it common for pitchshifting to be done in cartoons? I'm not sure it really needs to be mentioned unless there's a lot of confusion/contention about it.
Thank you!!! I am glad someone else noticed this. The episodes in question even make it clear that it is not actually the environment they are mocking. I did an edit of the environment section to address this problem, although it was reverted because it was claimed to be a POV. I have re-reverted it. Please take a look and give me your opinion. It still seems slightly like a POV and may need cleaning up. It could be argued that there is no need for the section at all? Ben Dando 08:06, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Matt Stone and Trey Parker are great, superb satirists and it is a darn shame that many of the show's detractors don't realize that. However, the episode in question may not be anti-environmental it was mocking environmentalists. Matt and Trey have stated on several occasions that they truly hate the rainforest, including on the DVD commentary for this very episode. The message of this episode is that most rainforest supporters call the rainforest a beautiful place, but as middle class Americans dependent on common luxuries they would be badly-adjusted if ever in the rainforest and would probably hate it. In fact, before season three started either Matt or Trey went to Costa Rica expecting the rainforest to be beautiful, hated it, and made this episode in retaliation.
Trey Parker writes the episodes alone and sometimes he's supported by the "advisors". Matt's name is not in the credits, i thought it really would suck if he didn't collaborate writting the cartoon he co-created but he really doesn't, as you can check on the oficial site, if he did though, it WOULD be in the credits, i've never seen his name in none (but it could still be some kind of internal joke), so you have to alter LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTS of articles like this one, matt stone's, terrance and philip: behind the blow ("there are some rumours...") and so on. That sucksass but he fun thing is that the show express Trey's and Matt's points of view, so i guess this means that Parker knows pretty well his friend.
The ideas for the episodes come from a writting staff(Trey and Matt are part of this writting staff)and then Trey writes the final script for the episodes.Matt wrote and directed episodes from several seasons himself. User:alfredosolis
Not to nag, but could someone please remove the picture of Muhammad on the page. I respect the right to free speech, but the picture of Muhammad makes it seem like this show is overly insensitive. I have no objection to keeping it on the episode it was in, but right now people might read this, see Muhammad, and get spooked. I don't think political correctness goes too far when it protects the honor and integrity of a group of people. Gorgo7h3 01:38, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Sub-heading Animal Sexuality? Sure, that's the point. Animal sexuality. sheesh. Non-encyclopaedia-like.
"Scientology (which the creators consider a cult)". What use do the parentheses serve? Most people who have ever heard of it consider it a cult. I'm sure the wiki page makes that abundantly clear. Even the phrase "multiple episodes have tackled the shaky logical foundations of cults" is non-professional. I agree with it, but it's opinion, conjecture.
It's "Kyle's Mom's a Bitch", no 'is'.
The heading "Music" also basically recounts several episodes. It's dumb. Have a sub-heading "episode content" if you must. How was Kyles' Mom's a Bitch popular? Did it race up the rap charts?
I would say: good try, but this page needs to be shorter, with less unreadable blurb
Child abuse and neglect? Come on. You can't put a heading for every subject that every show's covered. 'It's a recurring theme'. Yeah, well farts are a recurring theme, famously, but the word fart doesn't appear once.
'Catholocism' is under 'controversy', but there is a heading 'religious humor' too.
Usually employing [..] black comedy? I don't agree with that.
Again, good effort, but there's so much, it's hard to navigate, and there's a good bit of tidying up to do.
Hello everyone, I am User:Mr. Garrison. I have been contributing many articles recently under the username User:Timmay!, unfortunately I lost my password and left a message that this user is going. Well my new home is User:Mr. Garrison. Under both names I have created many articles for characters such as Ms. Choksondik and Shiela Broflovski.
Look on the proposed projects page and go to WikiProject South Park. Have a look at it and see if it interests you. It's aim is to improve and cleanup articles and to arrange articles into better categories to make it look better and easier to navigate. If you like it, add your name. Once there are about 10 names the project will start running. Please join and help make South Park better on Wikipedia.
Mr. Garrison 18:04, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Just a suggestion, the entire section on Transphobia, featuring commentary on the EP "Mr. Garrison's Fancy New Vagina" reads entirely as POV. It begs to be edited or re-written so that it doesn't come off as one person's opinion.
Actually, just delete it. It brings nothing to the table since it is written entirely POV.
This section is very POV. In "Mr. Garrison's Fancy New Vagina", most of the characters do not seem to act in a "transphobic" way. In fact the boys seem to be rather matter-of-fact about it, and immidately start treating Mr. Garrison as Mrs. Garrison. The only character that could be percieved that way is the Doctor who tells Mrs. Garrison that he isn't really a woman (just a man with a horribly mutilated penis). Perhaps this section needs to be transformed into a human sexuality (or sexual diversity) section.
There are too many words that describe Cartman. Clearly it has been written by a cartman hater. Not only that, but it makes out that cartman isn't a good character when this is not true. Cartman is a hilarius character who the writers love to write for. there isn't enough reference to his popularity.
Fifty-one seconds into the following youtube clip is a sound effect commonly used in South Park: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09_5T8UmQQI . The descending string, timpani stroke, wind outburst is from the first movement of Symphony No. 9 (Dvořák). Its at the end of the brief adagio introduction and part of the segue to the main allegro portion of the movement. Does anyone have a better reference for this effect? I know I've heard it watching South Park many times before. DavidRF 04:14, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Matt and Trey do support gay rights.Tey were even nominated for a GLAAD award for the Big gay Al episode. Also in Follow that egg Stan and Kyle don't break the egg but Cartman and his girl partner break their egg,this was a reference to gay couples beign better parents that some hetorosexual couples.
The Gay Rights section ought to be rewritten. Currently, it seems to mistake several of the attacks on anti-gay rights as being anti-gay rights themselves. The article misses the general South Park style and takes it as Matt and Trey's actual opinion as opposed to what they're trying to attack.
If there's anything else I missed that gives the impression of anti-gay rights then go ahead and write it so it can be corrected. Right now, I think the section is pretty good and accurately shows what Matt and Trey believe and what they mock. Gdo01 02:41, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
"Although Parker and Stone are presumed to be libertarian, the show has not explicitly supported gay rights" gives the impression from the start that it's ambiguious which way a lot of their satire is leaning. It's not. It's quite obvious what they intend.
". In the episode "Follow That Egg!", gay marriage is deemed "too offensive" to people with religious values and it's suggested it should be re-designated as something else. In the end of this episode however, gays are shown as capable of raising children, and gay marriage is made legal in South Park."
This also makes it sound like it could lean either way. I just feel like the article is poorly worded in that respect and gives a poor representation of the actual feelings of Stone and Parker.
Southpark seems to have around 4388 residents (see Chef goes nanners). Maybe that info can be crammed somewhere in.
I suggest that the following characters be merged. These characters are very minor and only appear in one or two episodes:
Any comments/objections?-- TBC TaLk?!? 17:01, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
For the most part, no, but Mr.Hankey is a popular character and appeared in atleast 4 episodes. Jesus has also appeared in almost every episode of the first season, and hasen't been seen in a few seasons but he's definitly recurring. Saddam Hussein and Satan were two stars of the movie, which is pretty significant in my opinion.
I have to agree with Mr. Conspiracy. Most of those characters only appear for a few seconds in one episode. -- ( trogga ) 00:30, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree, but with a few exceptions. Mr. Hankey, Big Gay Al, and Starvin' Marvin are big enough characters to have their own pages. --
DevilSavior
01:55, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
A lot of the material presented for Cartman, Kenny, and to a lesser extent Butters, seems to be repetitive and superfluous. It seems even more unnecessary when you take in to account that each of these characters has their own article where most (if not all) of the information is presented again. How would you all feel about trimming down Cartman, Kenny, and Butter's sections to the size of Stan and Kyle's? Mapache 22:23, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
This talk page has gotten really long, so I'm archiving it.-- TBC TaLk?!? 17:06, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
There is a lot of redundant info here. There are a lot of lists and the whole article's quality degenerates as it goes on. It's weird how people worked hard to make list of South Park episodes a featured list (and a damn good one, too), but the main show's article is a mess. Just my opinion. - Zone46 01:52, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
"In March 2005, South Park hit the number three spot in the 100 Greatest Cartoons,"
An impressive feat, so I followed the reference and it cited "Channel 4". This seems very weak. I am new here -- brand new -- so new that my carpet still has that formaldehyde smell -- so I don't know how to do anything else but type in this here comment.
Channel 4 is a British TV channel that surveyed the British public for this poll.
Is there a...North Park? I think it was mentioned somewhere....
South Park's political bent seems not to be moderation or libertarianism, but nihilism; nothing really matters. That's why the show mocks liberals (and to a lesser extent, conservatives- especially religious conservatives), especially celebrities; the creators seem to believe there is nothing earnestly worth caring about, and those that do care passionately about anything are rubes or simpletons that can be taken apart by three children.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.152.249.136 ( talk • contribs)
"South Park Conservatives who hold ideas from extreme ends of the political spectrum, believing, for instance, that global warming is a myth while supporting gay rights."
In the recurring themes->political issues subsection, it says this. South Park _does_ support gay rights, so... AFAICS this should be changed, but I'm not sure to what... Anyway, you can check out "Follow the egg", for example...
Yea, is the "photorealistic picture" supposed to be in color? I'm gonna leave it for now, but I'm pretty sure it never was in color before... 71.192.228.21 19:46, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
"The show is often regarded as a subtle politically right perspective of American culture and society, eventually influencing the novel South Park Conservatives, while also spawning the phrase South Park Republican". I'm not sure if this is too NPOV, also, "often regarded" is so inappropiate for such a controversial show. I'm not sure if I should revert it. Any opinions? -- Amenzix 23:51, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Would it be too difficult to list the specific episodes nominated for Emmy awards on the main page?-- MythicFox 09:10, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't know, but the following episodes have been nominated: Big Gay Al's Big Gay Boat Ride, Chinpokomon, Osama Bin Laden Has Farty Pants, It's Christmas in Canada, Best Friends Forever, Trapped in the Closet. Watch37264 20:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Ah-hah. Well, there we go, then... that should be all of them.-- MythicFox 07:55, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be implimented in the Origins section? Moshe Gordon 18:19, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't see anything about it on here. It was just deleted out of the blue. Seems a bit random. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.89.185.42 ( talk • contribs)
Nowhere is a cite given that anyone in Australia gives a monkey's about this. I'll kill the latest reference to this. Greglocock 06:06, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Someone NEEDS to put the flamming of Canada in the controversies section!
But it's not that controversial. I am a Canadian, and I don't know a single Canadian who has been actually offended, since it's all done in very obvious good fun.
There's a bit under the heading 'Music' that lists what Kenny, apparently, says. It says that 'With the exception of the latest line, all of these lines have been proven official in an interview with the creators', then it links to a source that appears to be just a fan site. Is this source really reliable?-- Jcvamp 04:06, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Not really. Note that Wikipedia isn't a place for wild speculation; so you're right. -- Orthologist 18:05, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I changed the section where it said that Bush was ridiculed less frequently than Clinton. Clinton, by my count, appears twice- once in the Red Badge of Gayness and once in Bigger Longer & Uncut. George Bush is ridiculed about eight times in the series. I would argue that the creators spend more time on liberal/conservative issues rather than the presidents.
Also, in the same section, I removed a quote of Stone saying he hates conservatives but really hates liberals. I did this because the citation reffers to a biased story that does not cite its original source for the quote which means that it is a third party reference and taken out of context.
In retrospect, Clinton actually appears three times, counting the episode where Cartman's mom sleeps with him. I'm not a member, so could somebody make that change?
With so many people editing this article every day, I don't want to just go ahead and delete something like this for fear of pissing some people off, so I'll "open it for discussion". I think that the list of what Kenny "actually" says in the opening song should probably be trashed. For one thing, unless someone can link to an unambiguous confirmation from Matt & Trey, it's fan speculation. This is the case with pretty much every thing Kenny ever says on the show, I've seen countless fan-based websites with moronic "translations" of Kenny's dialogue, but it's all speculation, and I hardly see how such garbage belongs in this article. Second, I'm pretty damn sure that Timmy doesn't say "live a lie". He's a spazz with a speech impediment, and I don't think that part is actually words, it's probably just an exclamation of some sort half-way between "yeah yeah" and "la la". Not only does "live a lie" not make very much sense (unless you're a conspiracy theorist/nutjob), but it's just not something that Timmy would say. So maybe we should take votes on this or something... should the list be deleted, and if not, should Timmy's part be edited to something that resembles reality? - Ugliness Man 13:49, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
In the theme song Kenny actually says:
Please provide a better reference i couldnt find anything their ( Gnevin 13:54, 1 December 2006 (UTC))
I removed the following text from the character descriptions for Kenny:
"Kenny comes from a poverty-stricken family in South Park's equivalent of New York City's pre-gentrified Lower East Side."
I don't think there's any evidence that indicates "the poor part of South Park" is supposed to be modeled after the Lower East side, I honestly don't know where idea comes from, but it's gone. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.167.106.88 ( talk • contribs) 22:00, 3 December 2006 (UTC).
In: "He hates Cartman because of his constant ridiculing of his faith and race and..." changed race to nationality since Jew is not a description of race. European Jews are white, Ethiopian Jews are black and so on. Nationality isn't the best word, either since American Jews are "American" by nationality but still better than race.
As a Jew myself, I consider Judaism to be more of a culture than a race. It is definitely NOT a nationality. American, Canadian, British, French, etc, are nationalities. The closest thing to a Jewish nationality would be Israeli. Race isn't a bad classification. It just depends on how you define race...
Judaism is actually very complicated. Traditionally Jews are expected to see Judaism as a race. By the original Jewish customs, you are considered Jewish specifically if your mother is Jewish. It is also for this reason that Judaism is not proselytized. However, some denominations of Judaism allow for conversion, treating Judaism more as a religion. The more orthodox conversion rites are intended to make the convert a member of the race, the more liberal rites more geared toward a religious conversion. Thus, to define Judaism rigidly as only race, only religion or only culture would be equally incorrect.
Equally incorrect would be to state unequivocally that Judaism is not a race. - Gdewar 19:17, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Namely, "Black comedy" and "LGBT-related television programs". Neither of the two fit under this article. -- 66.227.194.89 05:49, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm not finding it in the article, but didn't South Park generate some albums early on? I recall buying Chef Aid and that Christmas album sometime around the 1999-2001 time period. Shouldn't there be a list of noteworthy spinoff media, or a mention of the most significant releases? - Timvasquez 04:35, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
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The current one has Mohammed in a red box. I know it's not very visible in the article, but to preserve formalities and prevent it from looking gaudy, methinks it should be replaced. Maybe I'm just being a prude about this, but it's just irking me a bit. eszett talk 19:46, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
The opening sentance of the article "Southpark is about four -foul mouthed- fourth grade school boys" struck me as needing adjustment, in the form of the "foul mouthed" section being removed. I would argue that referring to the characters as foul-mouthed in the opening sentance is superfluous, considering that a good deal of the rest of the article is devoted to analyzing the vulgarity of the show (and additionally, the vulgarity of the central characters is not by any means atypical for boys in that age group). In addition, are the characters really fourth-graders? IIRC, they're supposed to be 8 years old, Mr. Garrison was identified as a teacher of third grade, and fourth graders are typically 9-10 years of age. I could be wrong though, on that point, so I didn't change it.
-wgw2024
The characters are in the third grade up until season 4 episode 11. From then on the boys are in the forth grade. 80.47.111.117 01:54, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
These are two completely different things. Right now, the transgender episode is just tossed into the middle of the gay episodes. Not only are they totally different identities, Matt and Trey seem to be in full support of gay rights and completely against transgender rights. In any case, I'm taking the transgender sentence out and giving it its own heading. Rglong 05:36, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Hmm actually it would be more accurate to say transsexual rights, rather than transgender, because the episode in question specifically deals with people altering their sex through surgery (transsexual), whereas the word transgender is more of an umbrella term for anyone who transcends traditional gender norms, and could include drag queens and heterosexual cross dressers. Rglong 05:54, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
This would be an interesting article, listing the celebrities who have been spoofed in the show, the episode they were spoofed in and maybe their voice actors. Do you think it would be important? YuckieDuck 18:45, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the show criticizes antitheistic views far more intensively than atheist. I can't remember an episode which mocks atheists, and Go God Go and Red Hot Catholic Love express disdain for antitheistic views, such as the belief that the world would be better without religion. Being an atheist, and not an antitheist, myself, I have never been opposed to any form of religious belief, and I know that South Park doesn't rip on anyone's opinions, unless there's an aparent reason. -- Orthologist 15:46, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I had put the article in the Science fiction television series category, but this has been contested. This series is as much Science Fiction as it is satire - time travel, extra-terrestrials, space travel, talking animals, frequent trips to hell/heaven/the underworld, outlandish science and inventions, and many more staples of conventional science fiction all frequently form the center of many of the episode's stories. As such, it should be categorized as science fiction. Discuss. -- Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 06:47, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
"The group claimed a victory when Comedy Central voluntarily canceled a scheduled airing of the episode which coincided with the Christian holiday season" - What does this mean? what is the "christian holidya season? - There are dozens and dozens of holy-days in the Christian calender? Does it mean christmas? - if so, then it should say as such, as it is not referred to as "holidays" anywhere outside of the united states, and to refer to it as "holidays" is innaccurate if not incorrect.
The musical section could use some cleanup, maybe converting the broken paragraph and sentences into a list of episodes with cartman singing? Shad0w 06:09, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
The opening sentance of the article "Southpark is about four fourth grade school boys" struck me as needing adjustment, in the form of the "foul mouthed" section being removed. I would argue that referring to the characters as foul-mouthed in the opening sentance is superfluous, considering that a good deal of the rest of the article is devoted to analyzing the vulgarity of the show (and additionally, the vulgarity of the central characters is not by any means atypical for boys in that age group). In addition, are the characters really fourth-graders? IIRC, they're supposed to be 8 years old, Mr. Garrison was identified as a teacher of third grade, and fourth graders are typically 9-10 years of age. I could be wrong though, on that point, so I didn't change it.
-wgw2024
The characters are in the third grade up until season 4 episode 11. From then on the boys are in the forth grade. 80.47.111.117 01:54, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
So, I know of this website where you can watch any SP episode ever made. You can even watch the movie and lots of bonus stuff. Would it be appropriate to add it into the external links section? I'm not sure. Irish rover 11:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
The site consists of many youtube, myspace video, and many other video hosting sites. Irish rover 00:56, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
The author(s) of this article have completely missed the point of South Park and all of Parker/Stone's work: To make fun of as many people, cultures, and societies as possible in as many ways as possible. It should be fairly obvious to any viewer of South Park that Matt and Trey are not trying to make statements about society or express their religious beliefs (as if they have any.) These guys are all about the humor. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.166.94.171 ( talk) 03:52, 11 March 2007 (UTC).
This article is I agree too serious and fucking retarded. It's the kind of in depth analysis a loser cunt university student would give a program. You've focussed on the shit issues of south park like scientology and how they make fun of religion and the word "satire" has no place on this page.
I think that we could include the fact that the children in the show have a large amount of freedom in travelling. They seem to be able to go wherever thay want, in episodes such as Cartoon Wars and The Passion of the Jew, without any interference by their parents. This is quite different from neglect, as, even though the kids care for the children more or less, the kids never seem to ask them for permission to go to another town or city and the parents never seem to prohibit them to do it or even know about it.-- Orthologist 19:44, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
The parents in South Park are incompetent half of the time. I bet that they don't even know their kids are gone half the time. Kritish5951 05:14, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Uhhh... Orthologist, you, uh, do realize that this is a cartoon, right? Why then should anyone include the fact that these characters can travel freely without interference from their parents?
It is a cartoon, but in most adult cartoons, children characters don't have this ability; they're constantly supervised by their parents ( The Simpsons). Also, please sign your comments.-- Orthologist 09:42, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Repeatedly, the area documenting South Park's misrepresentation of Roman Catholic views on Evolution has been altered. Claiming that the reference was to show the views "of several Catholics" is not supported by fact and is not NPOV. The Catholic Church has an official position, which is documented, the show's transcript, which is also a matter of provable fact, contradicts it. The show could have used a character from a Bible-literalist denomination. It did not.
24.215.145.136 05:12, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
The show is meant for entertainment purposes only...anyone trying to learn about religion or any aspect of it should probably research elsewhere. Jmlk17 21:48, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
whats the leaders of the 6 grades name
hamburger dan
I don't think that in the controversy section, Mormonism and Judaism should be grouped together. Mormons were devoted only one episode that mocked them(and were actually given a quite flattering representation in another), while as Jews are lampooned (even if it is just a throw-away comment by Cartman) in every single episode. Also, how is it considered controversy if the churches have not even issued statements? Kman34 03:38, 9 April 2007 (UTC)Kman34
A controversy doesn't just become a controversy the moment a church of some religon makes a comment on it. Yes it's true that Kyle is insulted regularily on South Park, but Mormonism is made fun of mulitple times, as everyone is dissapointed and all "aww" when they are told that "the correct religon was...Mormonism" in the episode Do the Handicapped Go to Hell? and Mormonism is also portrayed in the episodes sequel, Probably. In both cases, Mormonists are sort of ridiculed as being the "only" way to God and being overly friendly and polite, so you can't just say that they were only mocked in one episode when they weren't.
On a side note and also partially in answer to the claim that "South Park shouldn't be taken as anything more than shock and/or potty humor", Trey Parker and Matt Stone make fun of celebrities or famous people that piss them off all the time on South Park. Princess Diana and Gandhi are in Hell, Phil Collins is portrayed as being as being manipulative and talentless, etc, etc. Basically they find a fault in everyone and rip on it, that's what South Park is about. I quote an extended interview with Trey from the PBS program The Charlie Rose Show, in which a section of the interview was given in the book "South Park and Philosophy: You Know, I Learned Something Today" as edited by Robert Arp. Trey was on the show with Matt, and he proclaimed "What we say with the show is not anything new, but I think it's something that is great to put out there. It is that the people screaming on this side and the people screaming on that side are the same people, and it's OK to be someone in the middle, laughing at both of them." Captain N 1:44 PM, April 12th, 2007 (EST)
I Agree with you that "a controversy doesn't just become a controversy the moment a church of some religion makes a comment on it", but the problem is, there was NO controversy at all with All About Mormons (most Mormons love the depiction, as it is hilariously true). Unless your definition of controversy is that it hurt one member of the Church's feelings, no controversy has occured as a result. No one ever protested it, there was no public outcry, etc., and so including it in this section is just plain stupid. Perhaps it would fit into a "Religions parodied in South Park" category, but it certainly does not fit here. Enlighten me with your rationale for including it in said section, perhaps you can shed some light.
Kman34
06:27, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
The section on Judaism seriously needs splitting from Mormonism and expanding. Anti-semitic jokes are a big part of South Park and this needs discussion about how it can be interpreted in a satirical sense and what the creators have said about this - and they have commented, e.g. on the DVD. Matt Stone mother was also Jewish which gives an insight into the jokes. If you do not think there has been a large controversy over this (I doubt it, but...), as per Kman above, then it can be taken out of the controversy section, but IMHO it must be discussed. Thanks. Singhyuk 05:13, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
The Scientology episode was a big deal because it upset the Scientologist community (i.e. departure of Isaac Hayes, Tom Cruise refusing to promote MI:III if it was shown again in re-runs, etc.). The Mormon episode was NOT big because reaction was extremely mellow and was actually quite well received by the LDS community. This is because Trapped in the Closet showed all Scientologists as crazy or greedy, and CLEARLY stated that Scientology is a "big, fat, global scam." All about Mormons depicted all of the odder Mormon beliefs in a humorous context, but also showed Mormons as good, nice people (albeit a little too nice sometimes) with strong family ties. This is why there was no controversy. All of this, however is just more reason as to why Judaism and Mormonism should not be grouped together. If Mormonism is to be grouped with anything in this section (I personally feel that it does not belong in this section at all), it should be Scientology, because the episode and satire format is similar, as is somewhat stated by Jmlk17 above. 72.8.113.144 22:20, 23 April 2007 (UTC)Kman34
Uh, some guy put "TWO more seasons are planned, with an option of renewal at the end of season 12." I'll fix this... Jay B. 22:19, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
odd, i see no mention of Ike and his teacher in here yet...· Lygophile has spoken 21:27, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I understand and know the episode, but the show is satire; I don't think child abuse and neglect play a big issue. Jmlk17 23:47, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
I wholeheartedly agree. Thank you for pointing out the instances. I want to make it clear that I am not saying we shouldn't have a section for it. What I was previously stating is that I did not believe it was a central theme. It appears that it is a minor theme, more of a random, background issue that occurs at times to certain characters. I mean, I don't believe Stan, nor Kyle have had any episode mention anything of sexual abuse about them in it. I dunno...either way, a small section is probably not a bad idea. Jmlk 17 20:29, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
The page lists the obvious four (Cartmen, Kenny, Kyle and Stan), but it also lists Butters. Now, this is arguably true since Butters was a "fourth friend" after Kenny's season-long death. However, so we Tweek, yet Tweek is not listed. Should Tweek's info be moved to this section? If not, then I think it's fair to remove Butters. Geeky Randy 06:27, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm still unsure about the bureacracy of editing pages, but I removed a piece of the article that appears to be nothing more than vandalism. The word "nigger" was randomly inserted as a heading, with absolutely no reference. It was above the section describing minor characters. I may use the rest of my afternoon browsing old versions of the page to find the user who made that change in the first place. --le petite robot 17:34, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
There is no denying the connection that exists between the Scientology Episode and the two part Cartoon Wars episode. "Trapped in the Closet" aired at the end of season 9 (episode 12). Then episodes 3 and 4 of season 10 were called Cartoon Wars. The episode on Scientology was pulled in from its re-run in the US, and British stations pulled the episode. The entire episode (Cartoon Wars) is devoted to Catman getting an episode of Family Guy pulled because it is too controversial for TV. Alternately, Kyle tries to stop Cartman by arguing that free speech is important and a TV show should leave no topic untouched no matter what. Mohammed's (representing the muslim religion) appearance on Family Guy (on South Park) clearly reflects the controversial view of the scientology religion in Trapped in the Closet. In the same way Family Guy is in this case an allegory for South Park. To call this obvious statement about one episode reflecting the views of the producers toward people that want to remove their show as "nonsense and overall junk" shows ignorance about the history of the show and someone who hasn't watch the two episodes. YOU ARE RETARDED for not seeing this obvious link between reality and these two particular episodes of South Park. Why don't you actually try watching the episodes of South Park before dismissing an obvious fact about the episodes as "nonsense and overall junk". Yes I am talking to you Jmlk17!!! JSP - UOS, TN —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 152.97.130.50 ( talk) 03:36, 1 May 2007 (UTC).
A new noticeboard, Wikipedia:Fiction noticeboard, has been created. - Peregrine Fisher 18:26, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
its so good
people must see that its absalutly hillarious, mabye not for some but for others, it just cracks me up! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.129.193.60 ( talk) 20:58, 8 May 2007 (UTC).
This should be removed, the websites/links are unofficial and we should not promote free downloading, viewing etc. Mr. Garrison ( talk · contribs)
The main article claims the 2nd half of the 11th season will start Wednesday, October 3, 2007, at 8:00 a.m. Does this make sense that it will resume at 8:00am? What's the significance of that time? New episodes typically air at 10:00pm (EST). -David White 20:02, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
SP was tagged as being long, so I made several sections into subarticles, thus, summarizing them here. hmwith talk 22:25, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I've already asked this in the episode list discussion page, but figured I'd have a better chance of getting a response here... has there ever been an official explanation of why the first 4 episodes of season 4 have the year 2000 tagged onto the episode titles? - Ugliness Man 05:24, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
say what?· Lygophile has spoken 16:53, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
There is something very unique about south park.Because of the style of animation, it is actually possible to have an episode of south park in an .svg animation, which is a file format that allows for unlimited up-conversion of images and animation but only in a way of simple shapes,and since south park is already a somewhat brick style animation, you could theoretically up-convert it to high definition using the .svg format and it would look just like that was the normal resolution. Rodrigue 20:01, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
This is from the Characters section. I don't recall this at all.
One of the most popular recent additions to the show's offbeat cast of characters is a Humpty-Dumpty inspired, big-headed drug addict named Turd Ferguson. In the season finale of the 11th season he stuffed Kenny into a crack pipe and smoked him with Towelie. Turd Ferguson was inspired by Sheri Dunn, who is possibly the devil.
-- DMW 20:07, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Say what you will, but that is actually pretty funny.
-Terd Ferguson was a name that Burt Reynolds (played by Norm MacDonald) used in a SNL Celebrity Jeopardy skit.
71.71.203.235 01:07, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed that their isn't really too much information about the actual production of episodes on the main south park page. So I suggest a "Production" subform (with "animation Style" being part of it). I have a few links to actual info about the production of the show (mainly the writing of the episodes). Though i'm not very good at writing articles yet. So if anybody else thinks this is a good idea, i'd be happy to give you the links, that way somebody else could add the info to the main page. But if nobody is interested I will do so myself, and hopefully it will be edited to perfection.-- Swellman 02:17, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Anyone notice that the name "Ike" is similar to the ethnic slur called "kike". Should I add that in triva.
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