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I don't have a problem with a link to any genuine SI independence movement. I do question whether the link you have readded represents such. The image of a woman's bouncing breasts on the website makes it clear that this is someone's idea of a joke. The other images fail to dispel that impression. I think the whole page, if not a prank, is an advertisement for a book publisher. Please actually look at the website before readding.- gadfium 01:57, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Please don't make vandalistic reversions without reaching a consensus here first.
<Please consider how few external links are likely to be placed here and read Wikipedia policy before you delete the external link to http://www.cutthecable.co.nz. again without reaching a consensus here.
Note to the deletionist tendency: please don't try and exercise political censorship on what is quintessentially a political topic. The arguments for independence are better rehearsed on an external website than here on Wikipedia and, if you are still tempted to delete the link, I can only suggest that a neutral PoV requires you to at least make an effort to précis the arguments expressed on that external link here in this article before you delete a link to an alternative viewpoint to your own... Gaimhreadhan 02:28, 18 March 2007 (UTC) i
I've tagged the claim that Vogel supported South Island independence. I've never heard of, or read about, Vogel ever stating this; he certainly didn't while he was Premier (the article currently implies he was Premier in 1865). Certainly the issue was debated then, and I have a feeling a resolution was put, but the outcome was moving the capital from Auckland to Wellington. -- Lholden 02:02, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
I've added further fact tags along with sections. Some of the claims really do need to be backed up with a proper source - e.g. the claim about Treaty of Waitangi settlements. I know for a fact that support amongst the general population for ToW settlements is a lot higher than the article implies (cf NZ Study of Values, 2005) -- Lholden 23:47, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
The article has consistently failed to provide any evidence of a modern independence movement in the South Island, apart from the South Island Party which appears to be defunct since 2002. Where is the evidence that there is an independence movement? We need sources in reliable media and names/links for specific groups who have some influence or at least organisation. The existing list of arguments for South Island independence appear to be original research, since they are attempting to use cited facts to make a case on Wikipedia, rather than reporting an outside body making such a case and getting media coverage for it.- gadfium 19:52, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
The moderators of this page, obviously have their own agenda, given the continued attempts to censor any links or acknowledgement of pro-independence groups within the South Island. Perhaps this page needs to have a change of title because it certainly doesn't reflect the current one. May also be appropiate to remove the image of proposed South Island flag because it has not received any coverage in the national media either. Son of Zealandia ( talk) 13:03, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
A new article, South Island nationalism, has been created in the last couple of days. The information in that article, understandably, relates directly to South Island independence, and any extension of the new article will cover very much the same ground as this one. As such, the options seem to be to merge the information into one article (most effectively, into this larger, established article), or allow both to grow and run the real risk of content-forking. I propose that these two articles be merged at South Island Independence, with a redirect from South Island nationalism. Grutness... wha? 00:29, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
Do we have consensus? It looks like there is a majority for merging to South Island nationalism rather than South Island Independence. -- Lholden ( talk) 00:16, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
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I don't have a problem with a link to any genuine SI independence movement. I do question whether the link you have readded represents such. The image of a woman's bouncing breasts on the website makes it clear that this is someone's idea of a joke. The other images fail to dispel that impression. I think the whole page, if not a prank, is an advertisement for a book publisher. Please actually look at the website before readding.- gadfium 01:57, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Please don't make vandalistic reversions without reaching a consensus here first.
<Please consider how few external links are likely to be placed here and read Wikipedia policy before you delete the external link to http://www.cutthecable.co.nz. again without reaching a consensus here.
Note to the deletionist tendency: please don't try and exercise political censorship on what is quintessentially a political topic. The arguments for independence are better rehearsed on an external website than here on Wikipedia and, if you are still tempted to delete the link, I can only suggest that a neutral PoV requires you to at least make an effort to précis the arguments expressed on that external link here in this article before you delete a link to an alternative viewpoint to your own... Gaimhreadhan 02:28, 18 March 2007 (UTC) i
I've tagged the claim that Vogel supported South Island independence. I've never heard of, or read about, Vogel ever stating this; he certainly didn't while he was Premier (the article currently implies he was Premier in 1865). Certainly the issue was debated then, and I have a feeling a resolution was put, but the outcome was moving the capital from Auckland to Wellington. -- Lholden 02:02, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
I've added further fact tags along with sections. Some of the claims really do need to be backed up with a proper source - e.g. the claim about Treaty of Waitangi settlements. I know for a fact that support amongst the general population for ToW settlements is a lot higher than the article implies (cf NZ Study of Values, 2005) -- Lholden 23:47, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
The article has consistently failed to provide any evidence of a modern independence movement in the South Island, apart from the South Island Party which appears to be defunct since 2002. Where is the evidence that there is an independence movement? We need sources in reliable media and names/links for specific groups who have some influence or at least organisation. The existing list of arguments for South Island independence appear to be original research, since they are attempting to use cited facts to make a case on Wikipedia, rather than reporting an outside body making such a case and getting media coverage for it.- gadfium 19:52, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
The moderators of this page, obviously have their own agenda, given the continued attempts to censor any links or acknowledgement of pro-independence groups within the South Island. Perhaps this page needs to have a change of title because it certainly doesn't reflect the current one. May also be appropiate to remove the image of proposed South Island flag because it has not received any coverage in the national media either. Son of Zealandia ( talk) 13:03, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
A new article, South Island nationalism, has been created in the last couple of days. The information in that article, understandably, relates directly to South Island independence, and any extension of the new article will cover very much the same ground as this one. As such, the options seem to be to merge the information into one article (most effectively, into this larger, established article), or allow both to grow and run the real risk of content-forking. I propose that these two articles be merged at South Island Independence, with a redirect from South Island nationalism. Grutness... wha? 00:29, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
Do we have consensus? It looks like there is a majority for merging to South Island nationalism rather than South Island Independence. -- Lholden ( talk) 00:16, 9 March 2010 (UTC)