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Would any native English speaker not say the South Island? I think it's normal grammar, just like North Sea, east coast, Western World etc.
I've never heard or seen it called the South Island. It's always been South Island. -- Zoe
Hmm, maybe I'm biased because I grew up on the South Island.
In NZ vernacular it's "the South Island" and "the North Island". (Just like some people would say they live in "the UK" or "the USA", even though they wouldn't address a letter that way.) Even though they are islands, the North and South islands are not small, like many Pacific islands, so saying you live "on the South Island" also sounds wrong in the vernacular. Maybe that's an unusual form for referring to an island, but that's just how it is. (Just like some people would say they live "in the UK" or "in the USA".) 118.92.6.199 ( talk) 07:30, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Which area figure is correct, the square mile or square kilometre? They do not equate by a country mile, um, country kilometre. Moriori 23:07, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Nelson (a cathedral city and with much more population) should be on that map if Greymouth is to stay.: robinp 21:06, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
TOWN LIST - before spending long adding to it, consider my query (of a few minutes ago) on the Talk: North Island page, partly reproduced here: "... we already have a page called List of towns in New Zealand, so maybe we should use it as the only long list, adding "SI" to the end of the (smaller number of) towns that are South Island?"
I've never heard of or seen any unofficial South Island flag before. It appears to be an obscure design mentioned on FOTW and almost nowhere else. 203.109.254.49 19:50, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
I've removed the flags from the North Island, Stewart Island/Rakiura and South Island articles. If anyone thinks they are worth having in Wikipedia, perhaps they should go in a "Unofficial flags" section of List of New Zealand flags.- gadfium 00:23, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
These are slightly awkward translations of the Māori equivalents. They really translate as 'the water(s) of greenstone' and 'the place of greenstone.' Just for the record. Kahuroa 00:15, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I've removed the South Island independence reference because it has no references, no one in the South Island seeks independence, and it basically creates an unrealistic, fictional, over the top impression of something that doesn't exist.
The list of companies seems like a problematic list. First there is no definition of what companies qualify to be noted in the list, and second the list would be absolutely huge (and incorrect) if an attempt was made to list every company either founded or operating in the south island. Propose delete list of companies. (If not delete, then at least qualify what sort of company can make the list) -- Zaf( t) 12:54, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
I think that the following is a fair and workable criteria for the List of South Island Companies. To qualify a company must 1) have its registered office in the South Island; 2) a majority of its shareholders (51% or greater) must reside in the South Island; and 3) it must be listed on the NZX or have an annual revenue of greater than NZ$100 million. Son of Zealandia ( talk) 08:18, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
The information required to validate criteria 2 is freely available through the NZ Companies Office website. Criteria 3 will be more difficult to confirm. Son of Zealandia ( talk) 03:57, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
It disappointments me that so many contributions to either the South Island or South Island Independence pages are scrutinised by Auckland based administrators who seem to be determined to halt any attempts by South Islanders to express their sub-national pride. Surely the purpose of Wikipedia is to provide a source of information to people? How can limiting the amount of information available be of any benefit to anyone. Yes, the List of New Zealand companies will over time grow. And as it grows then it will need to be modified and presented in a better way. Until then why not encourage people to contribute to its growth. Son of Zealandia 02:45, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
The external link to the South Island Virtual Presence Post is useful in that it provides further links, information and news relating to the South Island. As it is a government sponsored site I think it is a useful resource. Son of Zealandia 04:36, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
The version given here is a North Island Māori one. In the south, it was "the canoe of Aoraki"—Te Waka a Aoraki, and Māui was a later visitor. In both accounts Māui stood on Kaikōura Peninsula and fished up the North Island. I'll see to this at some stage. Koro Neil ( talk) 14:28, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
In the mark-up, the statistics box says "ethnic groups". Why does this show up as "Indigenous people"? How do we get the Wikipedia powers that be to change this bizarre piece of coding? In an earlier version of this article, the editor had stated, correctly, "ethnic groups = Māori, European". This showed up, incorrectly, as "Indigenous people Māori, European", and a subsequent editor quite reasonably re-edited it to "ethnic groups = Māori", so that it would read, "Indigenous people Māori". Less reasonably, s/he pointed out the previous editor's "error" in the edit summary.
Koro Neil ( talk) 03:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
I do not understand why this link was deleted ? It is a good unbias site containing information on the South Island. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.108.5.22 ( talk) 05:53, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
The South Island has always been merely a geographical rather than a political or administrative or even a separate cultural entity. It is ridiculous to divide the section into politics, religion, culture, etc when you find there is no such thing in the article on the
North Island. I won't recant what I have said here even if you native South Islanders start issuing death threats.--
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10:14, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
This discussion topic should be deleted as the user JNZ clearly has an agenda outside of Wikipedia. While he complains that the article on the South Island is unnecessary, he himself advocates a more depth article on the City of Auckland through the Wiki Project Auckland. As for his comments relating to death threats, well they just reflect how immature the person in question is. Having these type of comments on Wikipedia only serve to devalue its purpose. Please have them deleted ASAP !
The article is written by people who are proud of their homeland and who wish to share our history and culture with others. Unfortunately not everyone believes the lies that most politicans and historians preach to us !
The entire section on glaciers seemed to be a lightly reworded copy of selected parts of this Te Ara page, so I've removed it. (See WP:COPYVIO.) It was added by 125.239.0.224 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) in August 2009: diff. -- Avenue ( talk) 13:05, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Sorry 118.93.47.158, but having these in the table doesn't work for me either, just adding busy-ness to the table. Plus: (1) The "Regional" column results in mass duplication; (2) The official coats of arm are in fact seldom used now - eg Christchurch. Snori ( talk) 22:36, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
The section on radio stations is very messy and could do with a good clean up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.93.54.4 ( talk) 08:05, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
In an optimistic attempt to start delisting sections of this article, I've culled back the media section considerably. The previous version of the article can be viewed here, and if someone believes it should be split of into its own list or article then feel free (I don't which is why I didn't do it myself). Hope I havn't stepped on anyone's toes here, but thought someone should get the delisting process going. - Shudde talk 13:28, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
Given that this article acknowledges that the correct spelling in New Zealand is 'fiord' and not 'fjord' (as it is in the rest of the world), does it not follow that all other instances of the word in this article should also use the spelling 'fiord'? I understand that Wikipedia is intended for a global audience, but given that this is an article about New Zealand, surely New Zealand spellings should be used. Given that it is already acknowledged that we use a different spelling, it shouldn't create any confusion for readers. Thoughts? Its-mrb ( talk) 07:53, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
We should work to define what we should include in the museums list. Some seem to be more appropriate than others. Should major art galleries be allowed? <- I`ll answer my own question here that there is a separate section already for that.
I think the main one to question being included or not here is Cadbury World. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.109.161.56 ( talk) 07:47, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
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The North Island and The South Island are definite articles because conciously or unconciously New Zealnders are using these phrases as a short version of The North Island of New Zealand and The South Island of New Zealand. 210.54.80.245 10:45, 7 August 2007 (UTC) |
Last edited at 10:45, 7 August 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 06:35, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of South Island's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Census 2018":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 14:23, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
Appears this is no longer being published. Can't find on the Deloitte website. Last reference I can find to it was a Press Release August 2029 . I assume it was discontinued during the Pandemic at some point. - SimonLyall ( talk) 03:10, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
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Would any native English speaker not say the South Island? I think it's normal grammar, just like North Sea, east coast, Western World etc.
I've never heard or seen it called the South Island. It's always been South Island. -- Zoe
Hmm, maybe I'm biased because I grew up on the South Island.
In NZ vernacular it's "the South Island" and "the North Island". (Just like some people would say they live in "the UK" or "the USA", even though they wouldn't address a letter that way.) Even though they are islands, the North and South islands are not small, like many Pacific islands, so saying you live "on the South Island" also sounds wrong in the vernacular. Maybe that's an unusual form for referring to an island, but that's just how it is. (Just like some people would say they live "in the UK" or "in the USA".) 118.92.6.199 ( talk) 07:30, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Which area figure is correct, the square mile or square kilometre? They do not equate by a country mile, um, country kilometre. Moriori 23:07, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Nelson (a cathedral city and with much more population) should be on that map if Greymouth is to stay.: robinp 21:06, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
TOWN LIST - before spending long adding to it, consider my query (of a few minutes ago) on the Talk: North Island page, partly reproduced here: "... we already have a page called List of towns in New Zealand, so maybe we should use it as the only long list, adding "SI" to the end of the (smaller number of) towns that are South Island?"
I've never heard of or seen any unofficial South Island flag before. It appears to be an obscure design mentioned on FOTW and almost nowhere else. 203.109.254.49 19:50, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
I've removed the flags from the North Island, Stewart Island/Rakiura and South Island articles. If anyone thinks they are worth having in Wikipedia, perhaps they should go in a "Unofficial flags" section of List of New Zealand flags.- gadfium 00:23, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
These are slightly awkward translations of the Māori equivalents. They really translate as 'the water(s) of greenstone' and 'the place of greenstone.' Just for the record. Kahuroa 00:15, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I've removed the South Island independence reference because it has no references, no one in the South Island seeks independence, and it basically creates an unrealistic, fictional, over the top impression of something that doesn't exist.
The list of companies seems like a problematic list. First there is no definition of what companies qualify to be noted in the list, and second the list would be absolutely huge (and incorrect) if an attempt was made to list every company either founded or operating in the south island. Propose delete list of companies. (If not delete, then at least qualify what sort of company can make the list) -- Zaf( t) 12:54, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
I think that the following is a fair and workable criteria for the List of South Island Companies. To qualify a company must 1) have its registered office in the South Island; 2) a majority of its shareholders (51% or greater) must reside in the South Island; and 3) it must be listed on the NZX or have an annual revenue of greater than NZ$100 million. Son of Zealandia ( talk) 08:18, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
The information required to validate criteria 2 is freely available through the NZ Companies Office website. Criteria 3 will be more difficult to confirm. Son of Zealandia ( talk) 03:57, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
It disappointments me that so many contributions to either the South Island or South Island Independence pages are scrutinised by Auckland based administrators who seem to be determined to halt any attempts by South Islanders to express their sub-national pride. Surely the purpose of Wikipedia is to provide a source of information to people? How can limiting the amount of information available be of any benefit to anyone. Yes, the List of New Zealand companies will over time grow. And as it grows then it will need to be modified and presented in a better way. Until then why not encourage people to contribute to its growth. Son of Zealandia 02:45, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
The external link to the South Island Virtual Presence Post is useful in that it provides further links, information and news relating to the South Island. As it is a government sponsored site I think it is a useful resource. Son of Zealandia 04:36, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
The version given here is a North Island Māori one. In the south, it was "the canoe of Aoraki"—Te Waka a Aoraki, and Māui was a later visitor. In both accounts Māui stood on Kaikōura Peninsula and fished up the North Island. I'll see to this at some stage. Koro Neil ( talk) 14:28, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
In the mark-up, the statistics box says "ethnic groups". Why does this show up as "Indigenous people"? How do we get the Wikipedia powers that be to change this bizarre piece of coding? In an earlier version of this article, the editor had stated, correctly, "ethnic groups = Māori, European". This showed up, incorrectly, as "Indigenous people Māori, European", and a subsequent editor quite reasonably re-edited it to "ethnic groups = Māori", so that it would read, "Indigenous people Māori". Less reasonably, s/he pointed out the previous editor's "error" in the edit summary.
Koro Neil ( talk) 03:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
I do not understand why this link was deleted ? It is a good unbias site containing information on the South Island. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.108.5.22 ( talk) 05:53, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
The South Island has always been merely a geographical rather than a political or administrative or even a separate cultural entity. It is ridiculous to divide the section into politics, religion, culture, etc when you find there is no such thing in the article on the
North Island. I won't recant what I have said here even if you native South Islanders start issuing death threats.--
JNZ (
talk)
10:14, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
This discussion topic should be deleted as the user JNZ clearly has an agenda outside of Wikipedia. While he complains that the article on the South Island is unnecessary, he himself advocates a more depth article on the City of Auckland through the Wiki Project Auckland. As for his comments relating to death threats, well they just reflect how immature the person in question is. Having these type of comments on Wikipedia only serve to devalue its purpose. Please have them deleted ASAP !
The article is written by people who are proud of their homeland and who wish to share our history and culture with others. Unfortunately not everyone believes the lies that most politicans and historians preach to us !
The entire section on glaciers seemed to be a lightly reworded copy of selected parts of this Te Ara page, so I've removed it. (See WP:COPYVIO.) It was added by 125.239.0.224 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) in August 2009: diff. -- Avenue ( talk) 13:05, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Sorry 118.93.47.158, but having these in the table doesn't work for me either, just adding busy-ness to the table. Plus: (1) The "Regional" column results in mass duplication; (2) The official coats of arm are in fact seldom used now - eg Christchurch. Snori ( talk) 22:36, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
The section on radio stations is very messy and could do with a good clean up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.93.54.4 ( talk) 08:05, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
In an optimistic attempt to start delisting sections of this article, I've culled back the media section considerably. The previous version of the article can be viewed here, and if someone believes it should be split of into its own list or article then feel free (I don't which is why I didn't do it myself). Hope I havn't stepped on anyone's toes here, but thought someone should get the delisting process going. - Shudde talk 13:28, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
Given that this article acknowledges that the correct spelling in New Zealand is 'fiord' and not 'fjord' (as it is in the rest of the world), does it not follow that all other instances of the word in this article should also use the spelling 'fiord'? I understand that Wikipedia is intended for a global audience, but given that this is an article about New Zealand, surely New Zealand spellings should be used. Given that it is already acknowledged that we use a different spelling, it shouldn't create any confusion for readers. Thoughts? Its-mrb ( talk) 07:53, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
We should work to define what we should include in the museums list. Some seem to be more appropriate than others. Should major art galleries be allowed? <- I`ll answer my own question here that there is a separate section already for that.
I think the main one to question being included or not here is Cadbury World. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.109.161.56 ( talk) 07:47, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
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The North Island and The South Island are definite articles because conciously or unconciously New Zealnders are using these phrases as a short version of The North Island of New Zealand and The South Island of New Zealand. 210.54.80.245 10:45, 7 August 2007 (UTC) |
Last edited at 10:45, 7 August 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 06:35, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of South Island's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Census 2018":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 14:23, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
Appears this is no longer being published. Can't find on the Deloitte website. Last reference I can find to it was a Press Release August 2029 . I assume it was discontinued during the Pandemic at some point. - SimonLyall ( talk) 03:10, 25 July 2024 (UTC)