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There should surely be a little more than one sentence to show the complete list of services operated by this TOC! Even if it is only taken from here it would make more sense of the operations by SET. Some of the individual lines are articled - eg Chatham Main Line; Kent Coast Line (although those two are virtually one and the same: the latter trains don't start at Faversham as the article suggests); Medway Valley Line; the three routes to Dartford, and several more of the suburban lines. They should all be capable of being mentioned here.
I also find it odd that the 'real' main line operating out of Charing Cross by SET - the line to Ramsgate via Tonbridge & Ashford - appears to have no article at all! Perhaps that is because the lines are NOT delineated here in the way I suggest above? Peter Shearan 19:04, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Having now rewritten the article to bring it up-to-date and to include the info I talk about above, I wonder if the section on the IKF should not have its own article? There also ought to be some way of describing the direct (SER) main line so that it can have its own article! If nothing else it was where Charles Dickens was involved in the rail accident at Staplehurst!! Peter Shearan 10:38, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The article states "82% of passenger traffic to London." - Is this fragment saying that 82% of their passenger traffic is to London, or that they handle 82% of all traffic to London? (The first seems far more likely, but I'm not going to change it without a reference.)
The "rolling stock" section need editing / rephrasing. Since the phasing out of slam doors / arrival of Electrostars its primarily Electrostars (375s and 376s) and a few Networkers (465 and 466). As far as i know / have seen there aren't any 508s about. Any edit should also mention previously operated rolling stock as well as a nod to the Integrated Kent Franchise and its new Bullet Commuter Trains (whatever they are going to be called). 84.68.63.54 21:31, 27 January 2006 (UTC) (Pickle_UK not logged in!)
The "rolling stock" section need editing / rephrasing. Since the phasing out of slam doors / arrival of Electrostars its primarily Electrostars (375s and 376s) and a few Networkers (465 and 466). As far as i know / have seen there aren't any 508s about. Any edit should also mention previously operated rolling stock as well as a nod to the Integrated Kent Franchise and its new Bullet Commuter Trains (whatever they are going to be called). 84.68.63.54 21:31, 27 January 2006 (UTC) (Pickle_UK not logged in!)
This section is a) incorrect and b) woefully inadequate
Main lines South Eastern Trains run four main lines, two to the Kent coast: through Tonbridge to:- Ashford and Dover Priory Tunbridge Wells and Hastings through Maidstone East to Ashford and Canterbury through Chatham and the north Kent coast There is also the Medway Valley Line, linking with the North Downs Line to Reading.
Firstly it needs to state service originating form London termini ie Victoria, Charing X, Blackfrias, Cannon Street and London Bridge.
Secondly while i appreciate SET makes the distinction between metro and "normal" service, we on the wikipedia rail service also have added the rural line category, which rightly or wrongly includes (currently) the Medway Valley Line
On the main line front;
* "Coast to London via Chatham" * "Chatham Weald (Faversham, Gillingham, Longfield)" * "Coast to London via Ashford/Tonbridge" * "Hastings to London" * "Sevenoaks/Tonbridge/Ashford/Tunbridge Wells Weald"
Rural lines
Metro (Suburban) Lines
Suburban services The suburban services (called 'Metro’ in the SET timetables) run to: Sevenoaks: two services - one via Grove Park, and one via Bromley South Hayes line Orpington via Lewisham and via Bromley South Swanley Dartford via: North Kent Line (from which certain trains run to Gillingham); the Bexleyheath Line and the Dartford Loop Line.
Upon looking through the soutehrn e group site at the 376 page [1], they classify/list the metro service as "for services between Victoria, Charing Cross Blackfriars and Cannon Street, and Hayes, Orpington, Swanley and Greenhithe". This is somewhat in conflict witht he above, thus im confused as to wheter metro services reach Sevenoaks and how the services that go up the North Kent Line from Gillingham areus something like this :-
The suburban services (called 'Metro’ in the SET timetables) run from London termni to:
Template:Railway lines in South-East England would also need to be edited in light on any changes above
sorry if that a bit much but its unclear to me, im thus looking for concensus and more info -- Pickle 21:22, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Progress
"ENDSMEET8.JPG" [2] is a nice photo, showing something different
"375609_at_London_Victoria" [3] is perhaps what is really desired - a shot of a train in a station, but as mentioned [Talk:Southeastern (train operating company)|elsewhere] it doesn't explicitly show its a "South Eastern Trains" train (and for that matter we're also laking a "South Eastern" photo
I'm sure we've had several reverts over the photos issue so debate away the various merits ....
Nosing at User:Our Phellap/Gallery and [ trains on wikipedia commons] doesn't IMHO turn up what we're looking for. Pickle 00:19, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm also not too sure about the 375609 image; it still shows the first Connex livery.
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There should surely be a little more than one sentence to show the complete list of services operated by this TOC! Even if it is only taken from here it would make more sense of the operations by SET. Some of the individual lines are articled - eg Chatham Main Line; Kent Coast Line (although those two are virtually one and the same: the latter trains don't start at Faversham as the article suggests); Medway Valley Line; the three routes to Dartford, and several more of the suburban lines. They should all be capable of being mentioned here.
I also find it odd that the 'real' main line operating out of Charing Cross by SET - the line to Ramsgate via Tonbridge & Ashford - appears to have no article at all! Perhaps that is because the lines are NOT delineated here in the way I suggest above? Peter Shearan 19:04, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Having now rewritten the article to bring it up-to-date and to include the info I talk about above, I wonder if the section on the IKF should not have its own article? There also ought to be some way of describing the direct (SER) main line so that it can have its own article! If nothing else it was where Charles Dickens was involved in the rail accident at Staplehurst!! Peter Shearan 10:38, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The article states "82% of passenger traffic to London." - Is this fragment saying that 82% of their passenger traffic is to London, or that they handle 82% of all traffic to London? (The first seems far more likely, but I'm not going to change it without a reference.)
The "rolling stock" section need editing / rephrasing. Since the phasing out of slam doors / arrival of Electrostars its primarily Electrostars (375s and 376s) and a few Networkers (465 and 466). As far as i know / have seen there aren't any 508s about. Any edit should also mention previously operated rolling stock as well as a nod to the Integrated Kent Franchise and its new Bullet Commuter Trains (whatever they are going to be called). 84.68.63.54 21:31, 27 January 2006 (UTC) (Pickle_UK not logged in!)
The "rolling stock" section need editing / rephrasing. Since the phasing out of slam doors / arrival of Electrostars its primarily Electrostars (375s and 376s) and a few Networkers (465 and 466). As far as i know / have seen there aren't any 508s about. Any edit should also mention previously operated rolling stock as well as a nod to the Integrated Kent Franchise and its new Bullet Commuter Trains (whatever they are going to be called). 84.68.63.54 21:31, 27 January 2006 (UTC) (Pickle_UK not logged in!)
This section is a) incorrect and b) woefully inadequate
Main lines South Eastern Trains run four main lines, two to the Kent coast: through Tonbridge to:- Ashford and Dover Priory Tunbridge Wells and Hastings through Maidstone East to Ashford and Canterbury through Chatham and the north Kent coast There is also the Medway Valley Line, linking with the North Downs Line to Reading.
Firstly it needs to state service originating form London termini ie Victoria, Charing X, Blackfrias, Cannon Street and London Bridge.
Secondly while i appreciate SET makes the distinction between metro and "normal" service, we on the wikipedia rail service also have added the rural line category, which rightly or wrongly includes (currently) the Medway Valley Line
On the main line front;
* "Coast to London via Chatham" * "Chatham Weald (Faversham, Gillingham, Longfield)" * "Coast to London via Ashford/Tonbridge" * "Hastings to London" * "Sevenoaks/Tonbridge/Ashford/Tunbridge Wells Weald"
Rural lines
Metro (Suburban) Lines
Suburban services The suburban services (called 'Metro’ in the SET timetables) run to: Sevenoaks: two services - one via Grove Park, and one via Bromley South Hayes line Orpington via Lewisham and via Bromley South Swanley Dartford via: North Kent Line (from which certain trains run to Gillingham); the Bexleyheath Line and the Dartford Loop Line.
Upon looking through the soutehrn e group site at the 376 page [1], they classify/list the metro service as "for services between Victoria, Charing Cross Blackfriars and Cannon Street, and Hayes, Orpington, Swanley and Greenhithe". This is somewhat in conflict witht he above, thus im confused as to wheter metro services reach Sevenoaks and how the services that go up the North Kent Line from Gillingham areus something like this :-
The suburban services (called 'Metro’ in the SET timetables) run from London termni to:
Template:Railway lines in South-East England would also need to be edited in light on any changes above
sorry if that a bit much but its unclear to me, im thus looking for concensus and more info -- Pickle 21:22, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Progress
"ENDSMEET8.JPG" [2] is a nice photo, showing something different
"375609_at_London_Victoria" [3] is perhaps what is really desired - a shot of a train in a station, but as mentioned [Talk:Southeastern (train operating company)|elsewhere] it doesn't explicitly show its a "South Eastern Trains" train (and for that matter we're also laking a "South Eastern" photo
I'm sure we've had several reverts over the photos issue so debate away the various merits ....
Nosing at User:Our Phellap/Gallery and [ trains on wikipedia commons] doesn't IMHO turn up what we're looking for. Pickle 00:19, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm also not too sure about the 375609 image; it still shows the first Connex livery.