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Califman831 03:47, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
The farm doesn't exist in the form described in the articel anymore. Now that bulldozers have started running through it, how can anyone accurately claim to know what plant species are present? 65.125.163.221 00:23, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
For What? It was cool while it lasted, but the farm is now a notable piece of history, not an actual operating farm. 65.125.163.221 04:00, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
This is not true. The farm is still in existence. I've actually spoken to the farmers' media outreach guy, Fernando, and he said the bulldozers brought in on the 13th were just Bobcats, and just maid paths in through the farm. There's still a lawsuit going on regarding the legality of the city's selling the land. File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 06:21, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks to those who have contributed. Special thanks to the following:
This part of the article needs major revision, possibly a time line of some sort.
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Re supporters, I visited the South Central Farm in June 2006, clued in by coverage on Michael Moore's website, so I think you could include him as a supporter. Also Martin Sheen came and spoke.
I'd love it if this was updated, elsewhere on the web I saw photos of the walnut tree, pruned to stubs and boxed and trucked away at night, going to the Getty Museum. Did it survive? That must be the tree that Julia Hill sat in. --?
Also, re Mayor Villaraigoso -- I marched with the farmers that night and there was a lot of disappointment with V -- he had campaigned there and the farmers felt he had promised much more support than he actually came through with. On the other hand, Barbara Boxer wrote a letter of support to the original owner, offering to help work out something. SHE recognized what LA had, but Villaraigoso let it get pissed away. FAIL.
-- just me —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.37.188.49 ( talk) 05:51, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
I removed a lot of external links that had nothing to do with the farm. Some of them were bad links altogether. Others may discuss some of the same issues pertaining to urban gardening, etc., but only links that directly discuss the subject of an article should be included (see WP:EL#Links to normally avoid). I see they are now back. I would just remove them again, but perhaps there is a reason they are being included of which I am unaware?-- Rockero 19:01, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I added the {{currentevent}} tag after reading this piece by Ralph Nader in Counterpunch; seems the shit is about to hit the fan in the next couple of days. == ILike2BeAnonymous 06:52, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
SCF "is" an example of ER. One of the main issues is the placement of the wharehouse or other industrial use in an area that is higly populated by poor minorities. This action by the city and the developer falls under the Category of ER.
Califman831 23:59, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
POV? The "Farmers" Section seems straight out of the mouth of the two leaders. They are "just fulfilling roles" and are "not leaders"? News reports seem to strongly suggest that they are the elected leaders, and that they have affirmatively excluded those that they had disagreements with.-- Thalia42 01:50, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
I can't believe this article doesn't have a tag challenging its NPOV. It's a puff piece for the farmers, and a hit piece on Ralph Horowitz. As an example, it refers to the actions of those at the farm on July 5th as "civil disobedience." Yet the LA Times reported that several people were arrested for attacking one of the drivers of the heavy equipment, and for throwing milk crates at an LAPD officer. Hitting a policeman with milk crates is not civil disobedience. It's assault.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.13.41.56 ( talk • contribs)
Due to continuous pornographic vandalism from IPs and newly-registered users (many of which I've had to block), I have protected this page. Please continue to improve the article but beware of vandalism. When it dies down let me know and I'll unprotect.-- Rockero 23:10, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
I want to thank the editors for making an amazing page. As the situation with the farm goes to hell, it'll be a critical resource in saving what is possible. I hope the negotiators apply proper pressure to green South Central and keep hope alive despite the political bullflop. Here's a link to an article about the backroom dealing. I can't verify that it's true, but if it can be corroborated, it belongs in the article. [1]—Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.245.194.211 ( talk • contribs)
I think it's about time we started converting the inline external link citations into a references/footnotes section. As I began the process this morning, I was stalled when the very first link I clicked ( [2]) had died! Also, we need a reference for Horowitz's decision on why not to sell the farm back. All I keep hearing is rumors about anti-Semitic remarks. I'll bet it was La Voz de Aztlán. They are always messing things up for us. But since it is so crucial to the story, some citation is necessary. And I suppose we need a reference for the early history. If we can get those, then I can get busy formatting the citations in-line.-- Rockero 03:07, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
I've listed the raid of June 13th on the Main Page News Candidates. If this truly is the largest community garden in the nation, I think it deserves such a status. And, you know, all that other amazing stuff they do. File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 06:29, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
If anyone (particularly admins, since they're the only ones who have any say) thinks that the events at the SCF warrant mention on the main page, please sing out here, under June 14th. File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 22:34, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
The reference doesn't say much about the anti-semitic comment, other than to say Horowitz accuses some of the farmers and/or supporters of it. Where is this coming from, and which website said it? How prominent were they with the farmers? I doubt the majority of the farmers/supporters would have supported that, so who was it? The Ungovernable Force 22:26, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
What is the current tension between members of the black community and the SCF? There appears to be a some bad blood in the cases of councilwoman Jan Perry and Mark Williams of Concerned Citizens of South Central. One of the protestors splashed water on Mr. Williams.
It has also been alleged on indymedia that Horowitz is playing the race card by using African Americans as security for the property, although this allegation may mistakenly stem more from the color of security officer's t-shirts. The scf has acknowledge some problems recruiting members of the black community to participate as farmers. please see Leslie Radford's piece a vicious campaign of calumny Califman831 03:49, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
several footnotes have associated links where the article is no longer present online. Please do not remove these, thank you Califman831 22:15, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Is that banner depicting Lenin truly representative of the SCF? I know a lot of right-wingers have been accusing the farmers of being "communists" and much worse, but I doubt they have any such affiliation. Maybe that banner was put up by agents provocateurs? According to the licensing tag, it is the cover of a magazine. But there is no text, which makes me doubt that it is a magazine cover. Apparently, there really is a magazine called The Liberty Bell, published by Liberty Bell Publications [3], which is apparently a anti-semitic or white supremacist publishing house. Which raises critical questions about its credibility.
What was wrong with the old image (South Central Farm feeds families)? It seemed much more representative of the farmers than the image of Lenin. Anyone care to explain the changes? If not, I'll restore the old images.-- Rockero 15:32, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't know how many of you have been watching the latest little tussle here, where someone apparently feels that the adjective "poor" is a racist slur. I'm reverting it, as the alternatives ("economically challenged"? give me a break!) are almost universally words of the weasel.
But rather than spin our wheels over this, there's a much more fundamental problem that needs fixing here. Notice that the opening paragraph says nothing about the ongoing struggles over the farm, the sheriff's kicking people out, etc. Surely someone here who's more familiar with the situation than I could insert a sentence or two of explanation there. Currently, someone reading this might thing, "Oh, how quaint: a nice organic farm in the middle of urban Los Angeles". There should be some clue that there's this tremendous struggle going on over this plot of land right up front. == ILike2BeAnonymous 16:18, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
dr.ef.tymac reply to ILike2BeAnonymous:
If horowitz purchased the property for $5.05 million, shouldnt the correct value of soccer field be 2.6 * (5,050,000/14.2 acres) = $924,647.88 or a figure using the county appraised value? The 3 million figure seems to be derived from the sale price Horowitz requested to the framers. Califman831 09:16, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
The money raised so far would easily pay for a gigantic public-access roof garden on top of whatever warehouse gets built there....—Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.79.88.240 ( talk • contribs)
This struck me as odd. When talking about the negative actions of the police, no qualifiers are used:
But when talking about actions taken by protestors towards the police and construction workers, pains are taken to qualify the action of protestors, with "allegedly" and mentioning that the people they "allegedly" assualted wern't hurt:
Now, I'm not somebody that automaticall assumes the police were on their best behavior (quite the opposite), but whats with the double standard? How come the police didn't "allegedly" hit protestors with batons? From skimming the article there doesn't seem to be any huge POV issues, but that is a subtle one contributors should be careful to avoid, whether their bias is for the police or protestors. Brentt 09:43, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
I just uploaded new photos from the bulldozed farm capturing the destruction there. Feel free to use them in this article if appropriate. Find them on wiki-commons here:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bulldozed_South_Central_Farm
-- Fluxaviator 18:51, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Why does Juli 5 come after Juli 12? Should that be Juli 15? 82.169.240.67 ( talk) 21:47, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Juanita Tate is routinely given credit for leading the charge in opposition to the LANCER project, but it appears this is not so:
"An obituary in Thursday's California section on South Los Angeles activist Juanita Tate incorrectly stated that she was a founder of Concerned Citizens of South-Central Los Angeles and had helped defeat the Lancer incineration project. Tate joined the group when it was formally incorporated as a nonprofit organization in 1988, after the group's founders -- Robin Cannon, Charlotte Bullock, Gwendolyn Cannon, Sheila Cannon and Roberta Stephens -- led a successful drive against the incineration plant." http://articles.latimes.com/2004/jul/08/local/me-tate8 Mmyers1976 ( talk) 18:05, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
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Started the stub today, my first article for wiki. I'm collecting sources, and seeking help from individuals that have more experience and can maintain a Nuetral Point of View (NPOV). Any questions or comments should be placed in the proper section below or please email me using the email link on the left side of the screen.
Califman831 03:47, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
The farm doesn't exist in the form described in the articel anymore. Now that bulldozers have started running through it, how can anyone accurately claim to know what plant species are present? 65.125.163.221 00:23, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
For What? It was cool while it lasted, but the farm is now a notable piece of history, not an actual operating farm. 65.125.163.221 04:00, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
This is not true. The farm is still in existence. I've actually spoken to the farmers' media outreach guy, Fernando, and he said the bulldozers brought in on the 13th were just Bobcats, and just maid paths in through the farm. There's still a lawsuit going on regarding the legality of the city's selling the land. File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 06:21, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks to those who have contributed. Special thanks to the following:
This part of the article needs major revision, possibly a time line of some sort.
Califman831 08:14, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
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Please enter your thoughts oh how to improve this article below. Califman831 21:30, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Califman831 23:26, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Re supporters, I visited the South Central Farm in June 2006, clued in by coverage on Michael Moore's website, so I think you could include him as a supporter. Also Martin Sheen came and spoke.
I'd love it if this was updated, elsewhere on the web I saw photos of the walnut tree, pruned to stubs and boxed and trucked away at night, going to the Getty Museum. Did it survive? That must be the tree that Julia Hill sat in. --?
Also, re Mayor Villaraigoso -- I marched with the farmers that night and there was a lot of disappointment with V -- he had campaigned there and the farmers felt he had promised much more support than he actually came through with. On the other hand, Barbara Boxer wrote a letter of support to the original owner, offering to help work out something. SHE recognized what LA had, but Villaraigoso let it get pissed away. FAIL.
-- just me —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.37.188.49 ( talk) 05:51, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
I removed a lot of external links that had nothing to do with the farm. Some of them were bad links altogether. Others may discuss some of the same issues pertaining to urban gardening, etc., but only links that directly discuss the subject of an article should be included (see WP:EL#Links to normally avoid). I see they are now back. I would just remove them again, but perhaps there is a reason they are being included of which I am unaware?-- Rockero 19:01, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I added the {{currentevent}} tag after reading this piece by Ralph Nader in Counterpunch; seems the shit is about to hit the fan in the next couple of days. == ILike2BeAnonymous 06:52, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
SCF "is" an example of ER. One of the main issues is the placement of the wharehouse or other industrial use in an area that is higly populated by poor minorities. This action by the city and the developer falls under the Category of ER.
Califman831 23:59, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
POV? The "Farmers" Section seems straight out of the mouth of the two leaders. They are "just fulfilling roles" and are "not leaders"? News reports seem to strongly suggest that they are the elected leaders, and that they have affirmatively excluded those that they had disagreements with.-- Thalia42 01:50, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
I can't believe this article doesn't have a tag challenging its NPOV. It's a puff piece for the farmers, and a hit piece on Ralph Horowitz. As an example, it refers to the actions of those at the farm on July 5th as "civil disobedience." Yet the LA Times reported that several people were arrested for attacking one of the drivers of the heavy equipment, and for throwing milk crates at an LAPD officer. Hitting a policeman with milk crates is not civil disobedience. It's assault.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.13.41.56 ( talk • contribs)
Due to continuous pornographic vandalism from IPs and newly-registered users (many of which I've had to block), I have protected this page. Please continue to improve the article but beware of vandalism. When it dies down let me know and I'll unprotect.-- Rockero 23:10, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
I want to thank the editors for making an amazing page. As the situation with the farm goes to hell, it'll be a critical resource in saving what is possible. I hope the negotiators apply proper pressure to green South Central and keep hope alive despite the political bullflop. Here's a link to an article about the backroom dealing. I can't verify that it's true, but if it can be corroborated, it belongs in the article. [1]—Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.245.194.211 ( talk • contribs)
I think it's about time we started converting the inline external link citations into a references/footnotes section. As I began the process this morning, I was stalled when the very first link I clicked ( [2]) had died! Also, we need a reference for Horowitz's decision on why not to sell the farm back. All I keep hearing is rumors about anti-Semitic remarks. I'll bet it was La Voz de Aztlán. They are always messing things up for us. But since it is so crucial to the story, some citation is necessary. And I suppose we need a reference for the early history. If we can get those, then I can get busy formatting the citations in-line.-- Rockero 03:07, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
I've listed the raid of June 13th on the Main Page News Candidates. If this truly is the largest community garden in the nation, I think it deserves such a status. And, you know, all that other amazing stuff they do. File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 06:29, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
If anyone (particularly admins, since they're the only ones who have any say) thinks that the events at the SCF warrant mention on the main page, please sing out here, under June 14th. File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 22:34, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
The reference doesn't say much about the anti-semitic comment, other than to say Horowitz accuses some of the farmers and/or supporters of it. Where is this coming from, and which website said it? How prominent were they with the farmers? I doubt the majority of the farmers/supporters would have supported that, so who was it? The Ungovernable Force 22:26, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
What is the current tension between members of the black community and the SCF? There appears to be a some bad blood in the cases of councilwoman Jan Perry and Mark Williams of Concerned Citizens of South Central. One of the protestors splashed water on Mr. Williams.
It has also been alleged on indymedia that Horowitz is playing the race card by using African Americans as security for the property, although this allegation may mistakenly stem more from the color of security officer's t-shirts. The scf has acknowledge some problems recruiting members of the black community to participate as farmers. please see Leslie Radford's piece a vicious campaign of calumny Califman831 03:49, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
several footnotes have associated links where the article is no longer present online. Please do not remove these, thank you Califman831 22:15, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Is that banner depicting Lenin truly representative of the SCF? I know a lot of right-wingers have been accusing the farmers of being "communists" and much worse, but I doubt they have any such affiliation. Maybe that banner was put up by agents provocateurs? According to the licensing tag, it is the cover of a magazine. But there is no text, which makes me doubt that it is a magazine cover. Apparently, there really is a magazine called The Liberty Bell, published by Liberty Bell Publications [3], which is apparently a anti-semitic or white supremacist publishing house. Which raises critical questions about its credibility.
What was wrong with the old image (South Central Farm feeds families)? It seemed much more representative of the farmers than the image of Lenin. Anyone care to explain the changes? If not, I'll restore the old images.-- Rockero 15:32, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't know how many of you have been watching the latest little tussle here, where someone apparently feels that the adjective "poor" is a racist slur. I'm reverting it, as the alternatives ("economically challenged"? give me a break!) are almost universally words of the weasel.
But rather than spin our wheels over this, there's a much more fundamental problem that needs fixing here. Notice that the opening paragraph says nothing about the ongoing struggles over the farm, the sheriff's kicking people out, etc. Surely someone here who's more familiar with the situation than I could insert a sentence or two of explanation there. Currently, someone reading this might thing, "Oh, how quaint: a nice organic farm in the middle of urban Los Angeles". There should be some clue that there's this tremendous struggle going on over this plot of land right up front. == ILike2BeAnonymous 16:18, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
dr.ef.tymac reply to ILike2BeAnonymous:
If horowitz purchased the property for $5.05 million, shouldnt the correct value of soccer field be 2.6 * (5,050,000/14.2 acres) = $924,647.88 or a figure using the county appraised value? The 3 million figure seems to be derived from the sale price Horowitz requested to the framers. Califman831 09:16, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
The money raised so far would easily pay for a gigantic public-access roof garden on top of whatever warehouse gets built there....—Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.79.88.240 ( talk • contribs)
This struck me as odd. When talking about the negative actions of the police, no qualifiers are used:
But when talking about actions taken by protestors towards the police and construction workers, pains are taken to qualify the action of protestors, with "allegedly" and mentioning that the people they "allegedly" assualted wern't hurt:
Now, I'm not somebody that automaticall assumes the police were on their best behavior (quite the opposite), but whats with the double standard? How come the police didn't "allegedly" hit protestors with batons? From skimming the article there doesn't seem to be any huge POV issues, but that is a subtle one contributors should be careful to avoid, whether their bias is for the police or protestors. Brentt 09:43, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
I just uploaded new photos from the bulldozed farm capturing the destruction there. Feel free to use them in this article if appropriate. Find them on wiki-commons here:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bulldozed_South_Central_Farm
-- Fluxaviator 18:51, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Why does Juli 5 come after Juli 12? Should that be Juli 15? 82.169.240.67 ( talk) 21:47, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Juanita Tate is routinely given credit for leading the charge in opposition to the LANCER project, but it appears this is not so:
"An obituary in Thursday's California section on South Los Angeles activist Juanita Tate incorrectly stated that she was a founder of Concerned Citizens of South-Central Los Angeles and had helped defeat the Lancer incineration project. Tate joined the group when it was formally incorporated as a nonprofit organization in 1988, after the group's founders -- Robin Cannon, Charlotte Bullock, Gwendolyn Cannon, Sheila Cannon and Roberta Stephens -- led a successful drive against the incineration plant." http://articles.latimes.com/2004/jul/08/local/me-tate8 Mmyers1976 ( talk) 18:05, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
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