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Image:South Ayrshire logo.PNG is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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This article fails on the referencing, all of the primary source must be removed, and the text masquerading as a reference must also be removed. this means 85% of the references must be removed. This is not acceptable referencing. See Wikipedia:PRIMARY. -- Sport and politics ( talk) 11:22, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
The information with only primary sources will also be removed unless it can have a third party reliable source, and its notability can be established, then that information will also be removed. Sport and politics ( talk) 11:35, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
The copyright of the used images from the council is questionable and needs further justification and explanation, claiming fair use, and free distribution is not enough it needs further explanation. Sport and politics ( talk) 11:39, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
The individual councilors are also not notable simply because they are councilors, and just because they are group leaders of political parties on the council, or leader of the council, or an officer of the council, need to be individually notable for inclusion. Sport and politics ( talk) 11:39, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
This is an article on the council and notable information, and history of the council. This is not a directory or information repository, that is fr the council website itself. This article needs to focus on the history of the council and notable information of the council. At the moment, there s very little apart from information dumps from the council website. This is not what Wikipeida is about. Wikipeidia is for independent and reliable information which is notable. The majority of this article is failing on this. Sport and politics ( talk) 11:42, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
I'm going to respond to Sport and politics complaints about this article in one section of the talk page given the excessive nature of her complaints.
On referencing, primary sourcing is fine given the objective nature of this article and said references (where they relate to the appoint of individuals into certain offices, election results, schooling etc). South Ayrshire Council is the subject of this article and therefore a valid primary source to be used in this article where these references are used in an objective manner. Brythones ( talk) 13:07, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
This is supported by the cited WP:Primary policy which states: "A primary source may only be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge. For example, an article about a novel may cite passages to describe the plot, but any interpretation needs a secondary source. Do not analyze, evaluate, interpret, or synthesize material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable secondary sources that do so." As primary sources are only being used objectively in this article as shown in the example above, their use is perfectly fine. Brythones ( talk) 13:07, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
On copyright, everything should fall under open government license so no problems there. Brythones ( talk) 13:07, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
On the purpose of the article, councillors, education and the council's executive team are all responsible for the operation and running of the council and important related services. These fall in line with other Scottish council area articles. They are notable parts of the council and its operation. Brythones ( talk) 13:07, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
And on the writing standards of the article, which is very subjective, I would say it's perfectly fine. I am concerned by Sport and politics constant editing over regular contributors to this article, which may well breach Wikipedia's policies around Edit warring and also her record for edit-warring and removing lots of content in multiple other articles concerns me. More than anything Wikipedia is about concensus among editors and Wikipedia policy (which this article doesn't breach) can be treated more as guidelines. (See WP:PG). Brythones ( talk) 13:07, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
All-in-all I think that Sport and politics complaints are unreasonable and I am prepared: to disregard them if other contributors to this article agree. Brythones ( talk) 13:07, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
The lists of schools and the lists of early years centers these are not notable information and fail the inclusion criteria. they fail WP:indiscriminate and do's and don't's for lists. There is also no sources for this, but that is not the issue here. The issue is that is it un-encyclopedic information. Sport and politics ( talk) 15:20, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
Should the cleanup tag on this article be removed? If not, what criteria should be met to remove it? Brythones ( talk) 16:59, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
to see how a GA is done, because this one is a mess. Why so much detail about education, what Schools are being worked, what after Schools there are etc. Really not relevant to the article and not needed Simply-the-truth ( talk) 17:52, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
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This article is undergoing a a dispute over the use of primary sources as heavily as it does, to the detriment of reliable independent secondary sources. Sport and politics ( talk) 20:04, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
"South Ayrshire would have become the third city to be an "area based" city, with the other two being the City of London and the City of Westminster." This statement, despite being based on an external source, is clearly nonsense. The City of London in particular has been a city within its present rather small boundaries for many centuries. A better example might be the City of Canterbury, which now covers an area far beyond the historic city of that name, encompassing a number of what were formerly quite separate local authorities. -- rossb ( talk) 17:21, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
Isn’t [ˈʃirˠəxk aːɾʲ ə tʲes̪], and not [ˈʃirˠəxk ə tʲes̪], the correct Scottish Gaelic pronunciation for “Siorrachd Àir a Deas”? Compare “ Siorrachd Àir a Tuath”, pronounced [ˈʃirˠəxk aːɾʲ ə t̪ʰuə]. Hans-Friedrich Tamke ( talk) 08:26, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
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Image:South Ayrshire logo.PNG is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot 07:55, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Image:South Ayrshire logo.PNG is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot 00:04, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
This article fails on the referencing, all of the primary source must be removed, and the text masquerading as a reference must also be removed. this means 85% of the references must be removed. This is not acceptable referencing. See Wikipedia:PRIMARY. -- Sport and politics ( talk) 11:22, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
The information with only primary sources will also be removed unless it can have a third party reliable source, and its notability can be established, then that information will also be removed. Sport and politics ( talk) 11:35, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
The copyright of the used images from the council is questionable and needs further justification and explanation, claiming fair use, and free distribution is not enough it needs further explanation. Sport and politics ( talk) 11:39, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
The individual councilors are also not notable simply because they are councilors, and just because they are group leaders of political parties on the council, or leader of the council, or an officer of the council, need to be individually notable for inclusion. Sport and politics ( talk) 11:39, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
This is an article on the council and notable information, and history of the council. This is not a directory or information repository, that is fr the council website itself. This article needs to focus on the history of the council and notable information of the council. At the moment, there s very little apart from information dumps from the council website. This is not what Wikipeida is about. Wikipeidia is for independent and reliable information which is notable. The majority of this article is failing on this. Sport and politics ( talk) 11:42, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
I'm going to respond to Sport and politics complaints about this article in one section of the talk page given the excessive nature of her complaints.
On referencing, primary sourcing is fine given the objective nature of this article and said references (where they relate to the appoint of individuals into certain offices, election results, schooling etc). South Ayrshire Council is the subject of this article and therefore a valid primary source to be used in this article where these references are used in an objective manner. Brythones ( talk) 13:07, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
This is supported by the cited WP:Primary policy which states: "A primary source may only be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge. For example, an article about a novel may cite passages to describe the plot, but any interpretation needs a secondary source. Do not analyze, evaluate, interpret, or synthesize material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable secondary sources that do so." As primary sources are only being used objectively in this article as shown in the example above, their use is perfectly fine. Brythones ( talk) 13:07, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
On copyright, everything should fall under open government license so no problems there. Brythones ( talk) 13:07, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
On the purpose of the article, councillors, education and the council's executive team are all responsible for the operation and running of the council and important related services. These fall in line with other Scottish council area articles. They are notable parts of the council and its operation. Brythones ( talk) 13:07, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
And on the writing standards of the article, which is very subjective, I would say it's perfectly fine. I am concerned by Sport and politics constant editing over regular contributors to this article, which may well breach Wikipedia's policies around Edit warring and also her record for edit-warring and removing lots of content in multiple other articles concerns me. More than anything Wikipedia is about concensus among editors and Wikipedia policy (which this article doesn't breach) can be treated more as guidelines. (See WP:PG). Brythones ( talk) 13:07, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
All-in-all I think that Sport and politics complaints are unreasonable and I am prepared: to disregard them if other contributors to this article agree. Brythones ( talk) 13:07, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
The lists of schools and the lists of early years centers these are not notable information and fail the inclusion criteria. they fail WP:indiscriminate and do's and don't's for lists. There is also no sources for this, but that is not the issue here. The issue is that is it un-encyclopedic information. Sport and politics ( talk) 15:20, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
Should the cleanup tag on this article be removed? If not, what criteria should be met to remove it? Brythones ( talk) 16:59, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
to see how a GA is done, because this one is a mess. Why so much detail about education, what Schools are being worked, what after Schools there are etc. Really not relevant to the article and not needed Simply-the-truth ( talk) 17:52, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
Original closed discussion, to allow for a fresh start |
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The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it. |
This article is undergoing a a dispute over the use of primary sources as heavily as it does, to the detriment of reliable independent secondary sources. Sport and politics ( talk) 20:04, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
"South Ayrshire would have become the third city to be an "area based" city, with the other two being the City of London and the City of Westminster." This statement, despite being based on an external source, is clearly nonsense. The City of London in particular has been a city within its present rather small boundaries for many centuries. A better example might be the City of Canterbury, which now covers an area far beyond the historic city of that name, encompassing a number of what were formerly quite separate local authorities. -- rossb ( talk) 17:21, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
Isn’t [ˈʃirˠəxk aːɾʲ ə tʲes̪], and not [ˈʃirˠəxk ə tʲes̪], the correct Scottish Gaelic pronunciation for “Siorrachd Àir a Deas”? Compare “ Siorrachd Àir a Tuath”, pronounced [ˈʃirˠəxk aːɾʲ ə t̪ʰuə]. Hans-Friedrich Tamke ( talk) 08:26, 14 July 2023 (UTC)