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On 8 May 2014, administrator JzG, now signing as Guy, redirected this article to Robert Monroe without discussion, stating No evidence of independent significance. I believe that that issue needs discussion, as apparently does Xoloz with this edit, which removed a "prod". If JzG, or another editor, believes that this concept is not notable, then a fuller discussion opportunity is available at Afd. -- Bejnar ( talk) 00:31, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
Administrator Guy has indicated that the subject matter of this article has no existence outside of the scope of the Robert Monroe article. This may be slightly disingenuous as Guy initiated the afd for the Sandra Ingerman article in which article the claim was made that Sandra Ingerman was a proponent of "soul retrieval", although I do not believe that there was an inline citation for that section of the now-correctly-deleted article, so to the extent that Guy was only talking about citation to sources, Guy would be correct. However, to the best of my knowledge search for those sources was not made, as it was not key to Sandra Ingerman's lack of notability. Jack Raso at Quackwatch has defined "soul retrieval" as a Form of spiritual healing promoted by Sandra Ingerman, M.A., and Christina Pratt. In soul retrieval, the shamanic healer purportedly "journeys" to "other realms" to retrieve the client's "soul parts" and restore the client's "vital lifeforce." here. I do not know if Guy would consider Quackwatch a reliable source or not (see discussion at Talk:Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine for example), but no mention is made of Robert Monroe in that definition. I also note the following book: Ingerman, Sandra (1991). Soul retrieval: Mending the fragmented self. San Francisco: Harper. ISBN 978-0-06-250406-7. -- Bejnar ( talk) 18:45, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
The follow quote from a fringe group is suggestive of where looking into academic research of these fringe beliefs might yield reliable sources. A number of spiritual practices – in addition to Dianetics and Karol Truman’s modality in Feelings Buried Alive Never Die – agree that the body can heal itself once the energetic disruption from a traumatic event is discharged. How this is achieved is where there may be some major differences. Quoted from here.
I agree that with patent nonsense, and fringe theories, that we have to be very careful not to give them undue weight. Nonetheless, where notable, they should be accorded the weight of their notability. See, e.g., the List of topics characterized as pseudoscience. Wikipedia needs to document the foibles of mankind as well as its successes. -- Bejnar ( talk) 18:45, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
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On 8 May 2014, administrator JzG, now signing as Guy, redirected this article to Robert Monroe without discussion, stating No evidence of independent significance. I believe that that issue needs discussion, as apparently does Xoloz with this edit, which removed a "prod". If JzG, or another editor, believes that this concept is not notable, then a fuller discussion opportunity is available at Afd. -- Bejnar ( talk) 00:31, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
Administrator Guy has indicated that the subject matter of this article has no existence outside of the scope of the Robert Monroe article. This may be slightly disingenuous as Guy initiated the afd for the Sandra Ingerman article in which article the claim was made that Sandra Ingerman was a proponent of "soul retrieval", although I do not believe that there was an inline citation for that section of the now-correctly-deleted article, so to the extent that Guy was only talking about citation to sources, Guy would be correct. However, to the best of my knowledge search for those sources was not made, as it was not key to Sandra Ingerman's lack of notability. Jack Raso at Quackwatch has defined "soul retrieval" as a Form of spiritual healing promoted by Sandra Ingerman, M.A., and Christina Pratt. In soul retrieval, the shamanic healer purportedly "journeys" to "other realms" to retrieve the client's "soul parts" and restore the client's "vital lifeforce." here. I do not know if Guy would consider Quackwatch a reliable source or not (see discussion at Talk:Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine for example), but no mention is made of Robert Monroe in that definition. I also note the following book: Ingerman, Sandra (1991). Soul retrieval: Mending the fragmented self. San Francisco: Harper. ISBN 978-0-06-250406-7. -- Bejnar ( talk) 18:45, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
The follow quote from a fringe group is suggestive of where looking into academic research of these fringe beliefs might yield reliable sources. A number of spiritual practices – in addition to Dianetics and Karol Truman’s modality in Feelings Buried Alive Never Die – agree that the body can heal itself once the energetic disruption from a traumatic event is discharged. How this is achieved is where there may be some major differences. Quoted from here.
I agree that with patent nonsense, and fringe theories, that we have to be very careful not to give them undue weight. Nonetheless, where notable, they should be accorded the weight of their notability. See, e.g., the List of topics characterized as pseudoscience. Wikipedia needs to document the foibles of mankind as well as its successes. -- Bejnar ( talk) 18:45, 18 May 2014 (UTC)