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I don't know that the category of Songwriter (in any of its sub-cats) would apply to Rollins. Composer, certainly, but the term 'songwriter' has a different connotation (and probably different denotation also - one who writes tunes with words). One wouldn't call an instrumental classical (or jazz) piece a song. - Special-T ( talk) 22:56, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
I don't really have an answer. It kind of hinges on the definition Wikipedia wants to use for "songwriter". Certainly the connotation is more Carole King than Charlie Parker, which is what struck me as odd about Rollins' inclusion in any songwriter category. OTOH, what noun would we use to define "Oleo"? The colloquial "tune" is probably not a good choice... I agree with the above-mentioned discussion that "Composition" is much better. - Special-T ( talk) 23:26, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
A Contrafact category may be useful. It's a pretty rarefied term, but I don't think there's a more common/recognizable word for it. This happens all the time in jazz - the nice, specific, academic musical term for something is never actually used colloquially (the classical "major-minor-seventh" chord is what non-classical musicians just call a "seventh" chord). - Special-T ( talk) 14:11, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
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Stanley Crouch seems to strongly praise Rollins rather than support the author's goal (quote below). Also, this section does not seem consistent, in style or content, with the effort to chronicle chapters in Rollins' life.
And not to offend the philosophical sensibility of Wikipedia, but is there some centralized focus on cleaning up the (specifically Jazz, though generally applicable) entries? The bad writing, popular orientation and posturing of wikipedia give it both the "editorial" freedom to puke nonsense in addition to the prestige normally conferred on reputable and thoughtful efforts. Most of this page, and others, reads like the work of a first year student, and if wikipedia is how younger people increasingly define knowledge, something should be done to raise awareness that, minimally, bad writing is not OK.
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Critics such as Gary Giddins and Stanley Crouch have noted the disparity between Rollins the recording artist, and Rollins the concert artist. In a May 2005 New Yorker profile, Crouch wrote of Rollins the concert artist:
Over and over, decade after decade, from the late seventies through the eighties and nineties, there he is, Sonny Rollins, the saxophone colossus, playing somewhere in the world, some afternoon or some eight o'clock somewhere, pursuing the combination of emotion, memory, thought, and aesthetic design with a command that allows him to achieve spontaneous grandiloquence. With its brass body, its pearl-button keys, its mouthpiece, and its cane reed, the horn becomes the vessel for the epic of Rollins' talent and the undimmed power and lore of his jazz ancestors.
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I don't know that the category of Songwriter (in any of its sub-cats) would apply to Rollins. Composer, certainly, but the term 'songwriter' has a different connotation (and probably different denotation also - one who writes tunes with words). One wouldn't call an instrumental classical (or jazz) piece a song. - Special-T ( talk) 22:56, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
I don't really have an answer. It kind of hinges on the definition Wikipedia wants to use for "songwriter". Certainly the connotation is more Carole King than Charlie Parker, which is what struck me as odd about Rollins' inclusion in any songwriter category. OTOH, what noun would we use to define "Oleo"? The colloquial "tune" is probably not a good choice... I agree with the above-mentioned discussion that "Composition" is much better. - Special-T ( talk) 23:26, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
A Contrafact category may be useful. It's a pretty rarefied term, but I don't think there's a more common/recognizable word for it. This happens all the time in jazz - the nice, specific, academic musical term for something is never actually used colloquially (the classical "major-minor-seventh" chord is what non-classical musicians just call a "seventh" chord). - Special-T ( talk) 14:11, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
These sources do not belong in External links. I have moved the link farm from there to this talk page where they do belong. Warning: I didn't check them over, so be careful in choosing any references here. Thank you! -- Leahtwosaints ( talk) 12:24, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
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Stanley Crouch seems to strongly praise Rollins rather than support the author's goal (quote below). Also, this section does not seem consistent, in style or content, with the effort to chronicle chapters in Rollins' life.
And not to offend the philosophical sensibility of Wikipedia, but is there some centralized focus on cleaning up the (specifically Jazz, though generally applicable) entries? The bad writing, popular orientation and posturing of wikipedia give it both the "editorial" freedom to puke nonsense in addition to the prestige normally conferred on reputable and thoughtful efforts. Most of this page, and others, reads like the work of a first year student, and if wikipedia is how younger people increasingly define knowledge, something should be done to raise awareness that, minimally, bad writing is not OK.
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Critics such as Gary Giddins and Stanley Crouch have noted the disparity between Rollins the recording artist, and Rollins the concert artist. In a May 2005 New Yorker profile, Crouch wrote of Rollins the concert artist:
Over and over, decade after decade, from the late seventies through the eighties and nineties, there he is, Sonny Rollins, the saxophone colossus, playing somewhere in the world, some afternoon or some eight o'clock somewhere, pursuing the combination of emotion, memory, thought, and aesthetic design with a command that allows him to achieve spontaneous grandiloquence. With its brass body, its pearl-button keys, its mouthpiece, and its cane reed, the horn becomes the vessel for the epic of Rollins' talent and the undimmed power and lore of his jazz ancestors.