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Hi, I may be nitpicking, but in the comparison with Sonic's design in Sonic The Hedgehog and Sonic from Shadow The Hedgehog may confuse people not familiar with the games, stating that thats how Sonic looks in SHADOW The Hedgehog. So I suggest that any one who knows how to work with those programs like Photoshop or similar can take that image and remove the render from Shadow The Hedgehog and insert the one in Sonic profile to avoid confusion on newcomers, to the subject (Sonic is newer to people born later after he started to have his video game series) and, as mentioned could confuse people not familiar with the game Shadow The Hedgehog.-- Czin 11:52, 7 August 2006 (UTC) Some completly messed up Sonic,s articile calling him a cat/monster.
Ok, since this seems to be controversial at the moment, here's what we know:
With this evidence, I think it's safe to say for now that the article can assume that Sonic is the Iblis Trigger as far as Silver knows and that Silver was sent back to stop Sonic from causing (likely unintentionally) the Flames of Disaster to be released. -- HellCat86 17:45, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Because Silver is from the future where something terrible has happened and all information he has implies Sonic is ultimately responsible for triggering it. This isn't Silver just deciding to nip back in time and play judge -- HellCat86 00:58, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I sort of get it, but oh well...will Sonic go in the Enimies section, if that's the case??? Or is it just me that's hallucinating? Who knows... 65.87.191.22 02:05, 29 August 2006 (UTC)Anonymous
mmmpph-- ppphg-- BWAHAHAHAH!
I never knew that Sonic had a "Real" name in the comics. If you saw that name in the comics, you'd think that Sonic was a member of a family of royalty!
Honestly, I think it's both kind of cool and wierd. Sorta like you first find out Tails' real full name is "Miles Prower" or when you find out that Billy Blaze's (Commander Keen) full name is "William Joseph Blazkowicz Jr." *sarcasm starts here* Now they'll be telling us that Knuckles has a real name! *sarcasm stops here*
But seriously, it's kind of a mixed feeling finding out that Sonic has a real name.
- Aidepikiw0000 02:21, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I think that Sonic realy is shadow2, project Sonic is the real name (maybe)? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.200.164.254 ( talk • contribs) .
No, the creators would have suggested that, and not only that, I think Shadow was an experiment possibly inspired by a transport that took place before the events of Sonic Adventure or Sonic X.-Aidepikiw0000
I'm aware that Sonic has taken many forms, but I don't see why the UK's Sonic the Comic, published by Egmont Fleetway, should be omitted from this page if the decidedly dire US Archie comic is included. As such, I'm going to spend a while constructing some information on it and adding it to the page. If there are any objections, please contact me. It would be good if this could be a featured article, like Link. I'm try and clean it up a bit too. Vincentvivi 17:38, 7 June 2006 (UTC)Vincentvivi
We now have way more references than Link's Featured Article. I'd like to thank everybody in the last fortnight who has added references to the article. We all deserve a pat on the back.
However, we need only one more citation and the article won't be listed in Articles with unsourced statements. It relates to the statement,
Does anyone know about this? I have done two google searches [1] [2] and all it appears to turn up are mirrors of wikipedia. In other words, no one ever mentioned them by this before it appeared in Wikipedia. To me this smells is a bit fishy. Should we get rid of it? I'm an Aussie, so I don't exactly follow NBA. -- DavidHOzAu 14:56, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Someone recently added additional information about Sonic's height, weight and birthday to the opening paragraph. I didn't want to make judgements about whether or not this belongs, so I just cleaned up the formatting a little. But it seems like having this info for two different timestreams -- especially in the opening paragraph -- might be just a little on the fancrufty side. Perhaps the American stats should be moved to the page for the Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie character) page? Kickaha Ota 19:20, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Several paragraphs were recently deleted from the 'Friends' section ( http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Sonic_the_Hedgehog_%28character%29&diff=58649168&oldid=58645228 ) . This strikes me as the sort of change that shouldn't be made without discussion -- especially since the section is now so short that the Amy Rose pic extends into the 'Enemies' section on many screens, creating a very awkward look. I would revert the change, but I'm very new at this and I'm afraid I'd screw it up. Kickaha Ota 21:47, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
I'll revert them. The article clearly says "this article is about the video game character. For other uses, see Sonic the Hedgehog. For the Archie comic version, see Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie character)." Apparently the information was removed by SonicMobius because it wasn't "in common", funnily enough, with Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie character). At best, that rationale only applies to Sonic the Hedgehog series, and at worst, not at all. -- DavidHOzAu 07:36, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
An anonymous editor recently added a 'Sonic vs. Mario' section. It's interesting, but I'm not sure how accurate or NPOV it is. It would be better if its assertions were backed up by sources. Kickaha Ota 17:44, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
While a new section like this might shed some light on Sonic's history a little, I think it's already been discussed earlier in the article. Whatever the case, information like that belongs under the history section. -- DavidHOzAu 00:26, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
The following passage made me smile:
"Another version of Sonic worth mentioning is him in human form, as illustrated by official character designer, Yuji Uekawa. This version was only depicted in artwork and is not planned to be released in other media, such as games or television. Seeing how Yuji Uekawa helped design for the Billy Hatcher series, this depiction clearly resembles those characters. Predating this, however, was a Sonic the Comic story which featured Sonic transformed into a human version of himself via a virtual reality machine."
And illustrated on the right of this paragraph was that artwork Uekawa made for the 2001 edition of the Tokyo Game Show... and described as a "human version of Sonic". I'm really sick to read that all the times and by the same way sick of mentionning it all the times: this is NOT a human version of Sonic! This is only an illustration showing a child with a Sonic haircut. I even bet it doesn't have any relation with Sonic (except that haircut). So, to conclude, I doubt that artwork should be used to illustrate a "human version" of Sonic. And on top of this, the person who uploaded this image grabbed it from my website ( Sonic Art Archive) and "forgot" to mention the source. Also, may I add that I wrote everything there was to know about that artwork into the news of the website. But I'm sad that a few people effectively read them (yes, I know I tend to write too much unnecessary stuff but... there do are some interesting infos). Dioxaz 19:37, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
If it's not Sonic, then it shouldn't be on this page. Besides, that image is dangerous because unsourced images are enough to stop an article from becoming a good article. Consider that content removed; Someone can replace it with a more suitable image to illustrate the alternative renderings of Sonic. (Note to editors: Anything that illustrates the point is fine, but please do not put the Sonic Sally image there because we've already voted on that, and the consensus is not to use it on this article.) -- DavidHOzAu 00:35, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
The issue of my concern with the main Sonic file is that it promotes bias as to what Sonic is, and what is canon when that is a disputed topic. The main article of Sonic based mostly on Sonic Team's expansion of the Japanese storyline. Then it calls western storylines "unofficial" or "spinoffs" of the SoJ story (which is incorrect for reasons I’ll state later). Through doing this, the article implies to those who are using it as a basis for understanding Sonic, that the other universes aren't official when that is under dispute for a number of them. Now, for many people I'm sure they don't see it as a problem, because as far as they're concerned what is Japanese is "canon". it depicts the true Sonic, all other universes were based off of it and that the storyline was created by Sonic Team.
At the start of Sonic, he had a Japanese storyline and a western storyline for most if not all of his games in the genisis. The differences in storyline are evident in the fact the manuals contain different elements and are not word for word translations of the other by a long shot. The AoStH, the SatAM cartoon, the fleetway and the Archie comics have expanded on what was put inside of the American/European manuals. To go further, SEGA has specifically recognized the US' attempts to expand on the western storyline by incorporating elements from the cartoons and comic into games aimed mostly to the western region with titles such as Sonic Spinball, Mean Bean Machine, etc.
Not every Sonic fan believes that Sonic Team developing the games since the beginning is enough to deem them as more canon than what the western story established. The SoJ storyline at times contradicted programming in minor ways, others feel that because the western manual arrived first, it should be considered more canon than Sonic Team. There are many arguments that come and go on this, so to stick to the point: what is canon it is a debated issue, and usually is decided on an individual level by what storyline the fan ultimately prefers.
The second thing is the issue with referring to SoJ as the canon of all the other storylines is that of course all other storylines would have had to have made an effort to base itself off of the SoJ story. Again to stress this, the western stories of AoStH, SatAM, the Archie and Fleetway Sonic comics... they are not based off of the Japanese storyline. They are based off of the western storyline that was placed within the American manuals. These manuals came of course from the same source as the Japanese storyline did: SEGA. Some will argue that Americans simply translated the Japanese manual, but if you read them both they're not a word to word translation, The American storyline came first, and it introduced elements (such as Robotnik) that the Japanese didn't acknowledge. This made people wonder if the name had any relationship to the Japanese storyline at all for some time.
Anyway, one could also argue the idea that the western storylines are mere spinoffs of the storylines placed in the western game manuals. However, in a few cases such as with AoStH, SatAM and Archie. There are in fact games (Mean Bean Machine and Spinball) that recognize the efforts made to expand on the western storyline. Granted not all western oriented storylines have been recognized by the western canon, but a few have been.
SonicMobius 20:42, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
I personally think that the original creators wishes should be considered canon. The Western storylines deserve mention but to be fair they came at a time when things were localised alot more. If we take the Western manuals/games as canon then Amy is Sally and the SatAM characters exist in the games. Since Sonic was a Japanese creation, I think it's better sticking to the Japanese storylines and acknowledging there was some global difference until recent games went with a unified story. -- HellCat86 21:52, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
As far as I'm concerned, the games came first and as such are THE canon. The comics, shows, etc are just others takes on the story. Right now the global continuity has reached a point where it says "Ok, the Japanese history is THE canon but we'll show some respect by acknowledging things like the Robotnik name in some way". I'm personally jaded because I see alot of fans (ESPECIALLY of the Archie comic) who argue the other continuities deserve equal (in some cases superiour) respect. Alot of articles on Wikipedia break down things by different interpretations and localisation, for instance articles covering the Transformers franchise. Most people seem content to take the same stance with this article and I for one agree with it.-- HellCat86 00:55, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
4.249.27.120 03:24, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
more will probably be added later. SonicMobius 15:54, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
We've already discussed this: Archive 1#Sonic and Sally Picture and Archive 2#Focus on the_games/Reverting edits. yawn. -- DavidHOzAu 08:19, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
SonicMobius 21:39, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
This is getting out of hand. There exists an entire seperate article for the most major Western interpretation of the character, why not just put the info there? This is why I hate Archie fans, because they place too much importance in that damn comic. I grew up reading the UK title Sonic the Comic but I accept that as a spin-off take on the character and not proper continuity.-- HellCat86 23:10, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Umm.. What,s Soj
...could do with some improvement. They need to be longer and broader. For instance, yesterday I fleshed out the introduction of Sonic the Hedgehog series and it now describes why the series is notable to an outsider. (in my opinion anyway.) We need to do more or less the same here. Why is Sonic notable? At the moment, it looks like the only notable thing about him are his stats: age, height, and weight. I know that WP:LEAD suggest four paragraphs for article of this size, but that's probably pushing it. How about we aim for two paragraphs of similar size to the series' page, or even for only one paragraph about the size of the nice long ones we have further down the article? -- DavidHOzAu 09:41, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Sonic the Hedgehog | |
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' Sonic the Hedgehog' character | |
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First game | Sonic the Hedgehog |
Created by | Naoto Ohshima |
Feel free to discuss different orderings to the fields, I might have them mixed up. Speaking of which, what does everyone think of a |url=
field to an off-site profile? --
DavidHOzAu
01:41, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I'm editing this section right now. Information may change rapidly as the layout progresses. -- DavidHOzAu 06:44, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Sonic the Hedgehog | ||||||
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First game | Sonic the Hedgehog |
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Sonic's appearance on
his 15th anniversary
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Game series | Sonic the Hedgehog | |||||
Creator(s) | Naoto Ohshima | |||||
Voice actor |
en:
Jason Griffith jp: Junichi Kanemaru | |||||
In-Universe Information
{{Sonic character |
age=15 | birthday= June 23 | born=Christmas Island | super= Super Sonic | attacks=Homing Attack, Spin Dash
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There. This is just two columns, I don't know how to possibly balance three columns. A good place for this would be beside the TOC. -- DavidHOzAu 03:30, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
For the following reasons :
Let's try to work out how to tackle these issues head on. They are listed above, and numbered below with appropriate links:
Suggestions? -- DavidHOzAu 05:50, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
What I think they are referring to in (2) is that the later half of the article is relatively citation free. -- DavidHOzAu 12:46, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
His name is officially Sonic The Hedgehog(with the "T" capitalized). This is how Sega has has always spelled it and how they registered it. Spelling it "Sonic the Hedgehog" is incorrect. TJ Spyke 00:09, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Despite Sonic being extremely popular back in the early 90's, I do not remember anyone saying he had a nationality, specifically Australian. If so, then what is up with someone adding that to the 'Fictional Australians' group? -- VelocityEX 9:04, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
He was born on Christmas Island. -- DavidHOzAu 06:23, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
They say he usually hung out at Southern Island in the Older SOnic Games, so it could be possible that he may have been born there. I have heard a lot about Christmas Island though. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 156.63.193.62 ( talk • contribs) .
Well, as of now, I don't think there is any proof that he is Austrailian, so that should probably be removed until we have some proof that he was born in Austrailia.
Hey,hey,hey.Hold up, why does the archie/american version os Sonic have his own article?Shouldn't the Sonic the Comic Sonic get an article for himself as well?-Centurion Ry
I mean....An entire article JUST for the Fleetway character of Sonic...NOT THE COMIC!!!-- 86.133.44.35 20:17, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Sure, go ahead; you're welcome to try starting it. May I suggest Sonic the Hedgehog (Fleetway character), Sonic the Hedgehog (Sonic the Comic character) or Sonic the Hedgehog (British comic character). (my money is on the first.) If you need a page created I'll create it for you. -- DavidHOzAu 05:31, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Hm...I'll have to keep that in mind...The good news is, I FINALLY could be bothered to log in.The bad news is, I have no experince in creating articles.-- Centurion Ry 21:32, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Ok, Ok, OK! Sonic is bundled up with Panasonic, Sony's PlayStation, Microsoft's Xbox and other companys.
They just love Sonic, don't they?
This is like a videogame marathon!
Like, almost 500,000 copies. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sonic79267 ( talk • contribs) .
Im surprised that there are no "Sonic Adventure" styled pictures on this page. Not only is it the longest running style of sonic art but it is the most recognisable. I didnt want to change or add a picture myself because of the control put on this article but its definitly an impromement from the multiple 3d pictures and the Sonic X pixtures(which dont really relate to the "official" segasonic universe at all.)- Rossy Miles 12:41, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
See /Archive 2#Next Gen pic why we are using the latest-style pics. It is more-or-less convention among CVG articles to use the latest pictures available. As for that Super Sonic image from Sonic X, that one has a non-blank background and it is more suitable for discussing his physical changes/transformation than Sonic Channel's more recent one. To be honest, there's nothing wrong with Adventure-style pics, but the images we use in the article right now do the job admirably. -- DavidHOzAu 05:22, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
I agree that the 3D styled pictures are the best to be used for the article, but dosent the article deserve just one Adventure styled pic. Its even got the mega drive style. If the existing pictures cant be changed a new one could be added. - Rossy Miles 08:56, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
I have noticed ANOTHER Sonic X screenshot has been added. No adventure style! - Rossy Miles 11:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
...until we are out of the category, "
Articles with unsourced statements" (
now defunct). They are:
About the Blaze bit, I have read Blaze's profile at Concept-Mobius and apparently, she isn't that much alike. (In fact she has a somewhat more reclusive attitude towards others and herself when compared to Sonic's opinion about similar matters.) However, from an out-of-universe perspective there really isn't much difference; both jump, have to go to the right to get to the end, etc. Thus, as it stands, the entire section on Blaze's relation to Sonic is somewhat flawed (probably because I wrote it) and gives the reader the wrong impression. Does anyone have any ideas on making the article more accurate? -- DavidHOzAu 05:42, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
I've gotten rid of the last two {{ citeneeded}}, they were not necessary:
As soon as Blaze the Cat's section is fixed, we can try for GA again; the article has come a long way. -- DavidHOzAu 11:29, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
I removed the the last sentence of Blaze's section because that was the problematic sentence in the paragraph that gave the wrong impressing. Now that all {{ citeneeded}} have been filled, I have relisted the article as a GA candidate. I would like to thank every one who has helped to improve the article, and I would like to request that all of us keep a sane head while the GA status is pending. -- DavidHOzAu 22:21, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
== Eggman versus Robotnik ==
User:Sonic3KMaster changed all the instances of "Eggman" to Robotnik on this article - with the rationalization that the "Robotnik" name is more acccepted. I thought the converse was true. His article is under
Doctor Eggman and the Eggman name is used throughout that article. Reverting. --
Jtalledo
(talk) 19:14, 6 August 2006 (UTC) -- Whoops. --
Jtalledo
(talk)
19:34, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
As one can see, this article has been vandalized. To quote it, it says: Although how he became half a monster is a mystery- there is a true story behind it all. He began as a cat, a light brown cat, and he got zapped by a ray which combined two different creatures, and he grew spikes, etc. The ray sent him crashing into Amy's house. He was 2 years old. He has a brother names Shadow, who is his worst enemy. While Sonic is nice(or tries to be)Shadow is evil and wants to be head of the family. <img and also says that he's "half-a cat, half-a monster" in his species section. Under Sonic's biography, it says: Sonic is a blue anthropomorphic cat/monster with the ability to run faster than the speed of sound; his talent for speed forms a large part of the gameplay of the series. Under Sonic's design, it even says: Sonic's design is very tricky to see. What makes him half cat is his cat ears, cat feet, and cat tail. He is half a monster because of his spikes, teeth, claws, eyes, and his LOVE for steak. But the sad part is when he was hit by the ray, he became known to think like a monster. He tries to control himself, but it's too hard without Amy's help. <img src=" http://www.teamartail.com/sonicx/viewimage.php/60/images/125.JPG"> |url= http://sonicworld.sclassic.org/angel_island_interviews/interviews/1992/sonic_1992_unknown_1.htm |title=Sega Visions Interview with Yuji Naka |year=1992 |month=October |accessdate=2006-03-06}}</ref>. In fact, it even repeatedly assures visitors that his favourite food is steak, and it says: As a baby though, he'd wreck things, and wake up in the middle of the night for steak. Soon he and Amy grew very attached. Amy was told to stay the same age until Sonic was older than her. Can someone remove those statements and correct them? Shadoman 15:27, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Fastnaturedude 20:10, 13 August 2006 (EST)
Great... while we wait the approval of the GA team, two {{cite}} appear...
Some say Metal Sonic is still Sonic's true rival, as Shadow is acting a bit more like a friend than a rival. [citation needed] Metal Sonic's current location is unknown to everyone, except possibly Omega and Shadow, who were seen with his crumpled frame at the end of Sonic Heroes. Although it is speculated that Metal Sonic was destroyed, [citation needed] this is unlikely; Metal Sonic might come back again in future games, as it is hinted in Heroes that Sonic and Metal Sonic are still rivals to the end, when the two make a mutual vow to battle again.
Somebody fix this, please!
igordebraga ≠ 19:24, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Fixed. -- DavidHOzAu 12:43, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
While we're on this topic, if you're wondering why the GA is taking so long, it was moved to "Everyday". (Don't know how it ended up there since I wasn't aware it was listed it under that.) I have just moved it to a more appropriate location. Hopefully it won't take long now. -- DavidHOzAu 04:48, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
The result of the debate was no move. -- tariqabjotu 02:04, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Sonic the Hedgehog (character) → Sonic The Hedgehog (character) – Legal correct name of the character, Sega registered "The" as his middle name and thus should be capitalized. TJ Spyke 19:46, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
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I hope no one minds, but I've updated Sonic's picture. UnDeRsCoRe 21:35, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I recently noticed someone reverted the picture back to it's old one under the grounds that it had a gradient border. It dosen't matter if it has a border. It his most recent appearence and it should be there. And if you have a problem with it, why don't you just edit the picture and remove the border and upload it.? UnDeRsCoRe 15:19, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Whats the problem with cropping the gradient from the picture? Its just the same as ordinary cropping but with a non-straight edge. Sonicteam dosent care anyway, they allowed Dioxaz's Sonic Art Archive as long as it had a copyright notice on the picture download page. - Rossy Miles 08:32, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
If you play Sonic Adventure games or watch Sonic X in Japanese, you'll notice that Sonic uses alot of english phrases. In fact, in Sonic X, Sonic usualy says at least one thing in english per episode I think it's like his personality... or something worth mentioning at least
They do that all the time in Japanese entertainment. In Super Smash Bros. Melee, pretty much everyone (excluding Mario, Luigi, Dr. Mario, Peach, Yoshi, Bowser, DK and the Pokémon) does the same thing. Seriously, people have known about this for over eight and a half years. Shadoman 14:59, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Guys, the image at the top of the page Image:Sonic_next-gen.png doesn't have a FU rationale, and this means that the article would fail part 6a) of the criteria. Could someone correct this and check all other images in the article have FU rationale and source information. Thanks, Alexj2002 00:40, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
The original image was Sonicnextgen.png; I'll restore it. In the meantime, Sonic_next-gen.png should have FU rationale and a respectable source added, rather than some place from freewebs. (The latter looks like a photoshopped fair-use image I know of, which would be closer to copyvio than fair use.) -- DavidH Oz Au 09:20, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
As a next step I would suggest that the various lists under the appearances section be moved into their own article along with other unnecessary objects to comply with WP:SUMMARY. Then I would suggest trying for FAC. Tarret 15:11, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for awarding the article GA status; it makes the entire writing experience worthwhile. We will put that as the next thing on our unwritten "to do" list. -- DavidH Oz Au 02:46, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
yeah, he can do evry thing sonic can, and they look pretty the same. shadow has also said that sonic looks like his ``TWIN´´. SO WHY NOT. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.200.164.254 ( talk • contribs) .
That can't be true! No way can that be true! Anonymous 65.87.191.22 23:05, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
This is not a forum. -- DavidH Oz Au 04:10, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
So far I've reverted twice an attempt to add unsourced, unverifiable information regarding voice work supposedly done for the next-gen Sonic. The statements I removed say that a "hack-team" found a "secret page" on an unspecified site stating the names of voice actors. Rather than get into an edit war, I'd like to get some discussion going here with whoever is adding these -- one was an anon user, the other appears to be a new account. If we can get some kind of citation for the information, then maybe it can stay -- even though, honestly, it's not very good or useful information, and encourages site hacking. -- Darksasami 22:33, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
It also goes against all that is good about good articles. I thought this would happen. -- DavidH Oz Au 13:25, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I added a comment to the text, using the usual style of phrasing that visible templates do. Crufty and uncited prose has no place on Wikipedia. -- DavidH Oz Au 13:42, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Per the suggestion in #GA Passed, I forked off the book section to List of Sonic the Hedgehog printed media. Now we need a really tight summary of it and we are done. -- DavidH Oz Au 06:42, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but where is this X Factor stated from official sources? Czin 00:19, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm as lost as you are. Someone needs to explain this. Superbub 01:13, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Might be from the new game, I'm not sure. I added {{ citeneeded}}; I'll remove the statement entirely in a few days if a source isn't cited. -- DavidH Oz Au 11:10, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Blame the Sonic X dub for that...they used it in a promo ad GrandMasterGalvatron 18:58, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Forget the X-Factor, what about the rest of the article? What really needs to be explained is this. Can someone please explain why all the text on the left has disappeared? In particular, it has removed nearly all references from Sonic the Comic that have been accepted by games or does not contradict them. The reason why it was there is because we don't have an article about Sonic the Hedgehog (Fleetway character) yet; this article is about the video game character, but it is also a portal to the other incarnations of Sonic too. I have no qualms about the extra text which can be incorporated into the article, or the removal of certain listcruft, but the article has gone back a month or two. I know I've been busy at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Sidebar redesign, but this is ridiculous. I'll try to work what I remember back into the article again; when I'm done I hope to have over fifty references and a balanced article again. -- DavidH Oz Au 07:18, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
There, back to 52 references again. Note that while I think the old edition is extremely well laid out, it lacks a significant amount of content. It would be nice if we could find a place to put that text and those references instead of removing them entirely. When we have 52 references, a loss of six references is nothing to quibble at. Since this is a niche subject, the article could do well with a few more references before FA status; almost every statement will need a suitable citation. This may be our hardest endeavor yet. -- DavidH Oz Au 11:10, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, I didn't delete it, but if I'm correctly understanding what you're saying, then you are agreeing with me on something I've thought about for some time now.
I had been wondering, "What if we move all media info from sources that are not from the video games directly?" The games are the only canonical thing, after all. Maybe we should move this stuff into a seperate article. Superbub 12:54, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
This is why the text was removed. I think I'll remove some of that text I restored and post it here for later consideration. I'll have to pay more attention to talk page notices on articles I frequent. ^_^; -- DavidH Oz Au 03:09, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, in time we will need to seperate all the info that isn't canon to the games, but until then Sonic The Comic references should stay. Czin 04:58, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
You may also notice that I recently moved all the out-of-universe information towards the top of the article, again per recommendations in the FAC. -- DavidH Oz Au 23:16, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
I suggest that information on all of the Super Forms be merged into one article. The transformations section rivals the length of Super Sonic's article. Since people want to shorten the pages so much, this might be a good idea. Grandmastergalvatron 17:17, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
You know the deal: Sonic is an ordinary brown hedgehog. Eggman has an accident and becomes a mad scientist; Sonic becomes the fastest thing alive. Yeah. So it isn't anywhere in the article. I suspect it isn't canon either, hence its exclusion. But I would like to point out that the story was a part of the official American (paradoxical, yes) Sega site for quite some time. Anyone care to discuss this? Personally, I think it could be mentioned in passing; devoting a new section to it would be excessive. Unless it is actually canonical in some part of the world. Paul Haymon 08:11, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
This [3] is the page preceding the page that the origin story was originally found on, but I can't access it. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable about accessing archived webpages can help out; otherwise, feel free to remove the unsourced statement. Paul Haymon 08:20, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
What, exactly, needs to be done at this point? Point me in the direction of fixable errors or improvable prose. I want this article to be a featured one, blast it all. Paul Haymon 07:42, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Here's some suggestions. -- DavidH Oz Au 12:25, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
There are spoilers randomly throughout the article, but no spoiler tag... Paul Haymon 07:52, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
That's generally left up to editor discretion. Generally, if the article can get away without them, don't use them. -- DavidH Oz Au 12:32, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
I think the current picture of Sonic at the top of the article is okay, but I think that we should use the picture of Sonic from his character profile on the Japanese Sonic 2006 game website. Anonymous September 30th, 2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.19.141.251 ( talk • contribs) .
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Hi, I may be nitpicking, but in the comparison with Sonic's design in Sonic The Hedgehog and Sonic from Shadow The Hedgehog may confuse people not familiar with the games, stating that thats how Sonic looks in SHADOW The Hedgehog. So I suggest that any one who knows how to work with those programs like Photoshop or similar can take that image and remove the render from Shadow The Hedgehog and insert the one in Sonic profile to avoid confusion on newcomers, to the subject (Sonic is newer to people born later after he started to have his video game series) and, as mentioned could confuse people not familiar with the game Shadow The Hedgehog.-- Czin 11:52, 7 August 2006 (UTC) Some completly messed up Sonic,s articile calling him a cat/monster.
Ok, since this seems to be controversial at the moment, here's what we know:
With this evidence, I think it's safe to say for now that the article can assume that Sonic is the Iblis Trigger as far as Silver knows and that Silver was sent back to stop Sonic from causing (likely unintentionally) the Flames of Disaster to be released. -- HellCat86 17:45, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Because Silver is from the future where something terrible has happened and all information he has implies Sonic is ultimately responsible for triggering it. This isn't Silver just deciding to nip back in time and play judge -- HellCat86 00:58, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I sort of get it, but oh well...will Sonic go in the Enimies section, if that's the case??? Or is it just me that's hallucinating? Who knows... 65.87.191.22 02:05, 29 August 2006 (UTC)Anonymous
mmmpph-- ppphg-- BWAHAHAHAH!
I never knew that Sonic had a "Real" name in the comics. If you saw that name in the comics, you'd think that Sonic was a member of a family of royalty!
Honestly, I think it's both kind of cool and wierd. Sorta like you first find out Tails' real full name is "Miles Prower" or when you find out that Billy Blaze's (Commander Keen) full name is "William Joseph Blazkowicz Jr." *sarcasm starts here* Now they'll be telling us that Knuckles has a real name! *sarcasm stops here*
But seriously, it's kind of a mixed feeling finding out that Sonic has a real name.
- Aidepikiw0000 02:21, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I think that Sonic realy is shadow2, project Sonic is the real name (maybe)? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.200.164.254 ( talk • contribs) .
No, the creators would have suggested that, and not only that, I think Shadow was an experiment possibly inspired by a transport that took place before the events of Sonic Adventure or Sonic X.-Aidepikiw0000
I'm aware that Sonic has taken many forms, but I don't see why the UK's Sonic the Comic, published by Egmont Fleetway, should be omitted from this page if the decidedly dire US Archie comic is included. As such, I'm going to spend a while constructing some information on it and adding it to the page. If there are any objections, please contact me. It would be good if this could be a featured article, like Link. I'm try and clean it up a bit too. Vincentvivi 17:38, 7 June 2006 (UTC)Vincentvivi
We now have way more references than Link's Featured Article. I'd like to thank everybody in the last fortnight who has added references to the article. We all deserve a pat on the back.
However, we need only one more citation and the article won't be listed in Articles with unsourced statements. It relates to the statement,
Does anyone know about this? I have done two google searches [1] [2] and all it appears to turn up are mirrors of wikipedia. In other words, no one ever mentioned them by this before it appeared in Wikipedia. To me this smells is a bit fishy. Should we get rid of it? I'm an Aussie, so I don't exactly follow NBA. -- DavidHOzAu 14:56, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Someone recently added additional information about Sonic's height, weight and birthday to the opening paragraph. I didn't want to make judgements about whether or not this belongs, so I just cleaned up the formatting a little. But it seems like having this info for two different timestreams -- especially in the opening paragraph -- might be just a little on the fancrufty side. Perhaps the American stats should be moved to the page for the Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie character) page? Kickaha Ota 19:20, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Several paragraphs were recently deleted from the 'Friends' section ( http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Sonic_the_Hedgehog_%28character%29&diff=58649168&oldid=58645228 ) . This strikes me as the sort of change that shouldn't be made without discussion -- especially since the section is now so short that the Amy Rose pic extends into the 'Enemies' section on many screens, creating a very awkward look. I would revert the change, but I'm very new at this and I'm afraid I'd screw it up. Kickaha Ota 21:47, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
I'll revert them. The article clearly says "this article is about the video game character. For other uses, see Sonic the Hedgehog. For the Archie comic version, see Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie character)." Apparently the information was removed by SonicMobius because it wasn't "in common", funnily enough, with Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie character). At best, that rationale only applies to Sonic the Hedgehog series, and at worst, not at all. -- DavidHOzAu 07:36, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
An anonymous editor recently added a 'Sonic vs. Mario' section. It's interesting, but I'm not sure how accurate or NPOV it is. It would be better if its assertions were backed up by sources. Kickaha Ota 17:44, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
While a new section like this might shed some light on Sonic's history a little, I think it's already been discussed earlier in the article. Whatever the case, information like that belongs under the history section. -- DavidHOzAu 00:26, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
The following passage made me smile:
"Another version of Sonic worth mentioning is him in human form, as illustrated by official character designer, Yuji Uekawa. This version was only depicted in artwork and is not planned to be released in other media, such as games or television. Seeing how Yuji Uekawa helped design for the Billy Hatcher series, this depiction clearly resembles those characters. Predating this, however, was a Sonic the Comic story which featured Sonic transformed into a human version of himself via a virtual reality machine."
And illustrated on the right of this paragraph was that artwork Uekawa made for the 2001 edition of the Tokyo Game Show... and described as a "human version of Sonic". I'm really sick to read that all the times and by the same way sick of mentionning it all the times: this is NOT a human version of Sonic! This is only an illustration showing a child with a Sonic haircut. I even bet it doesn't have any relation with Sonic (except that haircut). So, to conclude, I doubt that artwork should be used to illustrate a "human version" of Sonic. And on top of this, the person who uploaded this image grabbed it from my website ( Sonic Art Archive) and "forgot" to mention the source. Also, may I add that I wrote everything there was to know about that artwork into the news of the website. But I'm sad that a few people effectively read them (yes, I know I tend to write too much unnecessary stuff but... there do are some interesting infos). Dioxaz 19:37, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
If it's not Sonic, then it shouldn't be on this page. Besides, that image is dangerous because unsourced images are enough to stop an article from becoming a good article. Consider that content removed; Someone can replace it with a more suitable image to illustrate the alternative renderings of Sonic. (Note to editors: Anything that illustrates the point is fine, but please do not put the Sonic Sally image there because we've already voted on that, and the consensus is not to use it on this article.) -- DavidHOzAu 00:35, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
The issue of my concern with the main Sonic file is that it promotes bias as to what Sonic is, and what is canon when that is a disputed topic. The main article of Sonic based mostly on Sonic Team's expansion of the Japanese storyline. Then it calls western storylines "unofficial" or "spinoffs" of the SoJ story (which is incorrect for reasons I’ll state later). Through doing this, the article implies to those who are using it as a basis for understanding Sonic, that the other universes aren't official when that is under dispute for a number of them. Now, for many people I'm sure they don't see it as a problem, because as far as they're concerned what is Japanese is "canon". it depicts the true Sonic, all other universes were based off of it and that the storyline was created by Sonic Team.
At the start of Sonic, he had a Japanese storyline and a western storyline for most if not all of his games in the genisis. The differences in storyline are evident in the fact the manuals contain different elements and are not word for word translations of the other by a long shot. The AoStH, the SatAM cartoon, the fleetway and the Archie comics have expanded on what was put inside of the American/European manuals. To go further, SEGA has specifically recognized the US' attempts to expand on the western storyline by incorporating elements from the cartoons and comic into games aimed mostly to the western region with titles such as Sonic Spinball, Mean Bean Machine, etc.
Not every Sonic fan believes that Sonic Team developing the games since the beginning is enough to deem them as more canon than what the western story established. The SoJ storyline at times contradicted programming in minor ways, others feel that because the western manual arrived first, it should be considered more canon than Sonic Team. There are many arguments that come and go on this, so to stick to the point: what is canon it is a debated issue, and usually is decided on an individual level by what storyline the fan ultimately prefers.
The second thing is the issue with referring to SoJ as the canon of all the other storylines is that of course all other storylines would have had to have made an effort to base itself off of the SoJ story. Again to stress this, the western stories of AoStH, SatAM, the Archie and Fleetway Sonic comics... they are not based off of the Japanese storyline. They are based off of the western storyline that was placed within the American manuals. These manuals came of course from the same source as the Japanese storyline did: SEGA. Some will argue that Americans simply translated the Japanese manual, but if you read them both they're not a word to word translation, The American storyline came first, and it introduced elements (such as Robotnik) that the Japanese didn't acknowledge. This made people wonder if the name had any relationship to the Japanese storyline at all for some time.
Anyway, one could also argue the idea that the western storylines are mere spinoffs of the storylines placed in the western game manuals. However, in a few cases such as with AoStH, SatAM and Archie. There are in fact games (Mean Bean Machine and Spinball) that recognize the efforts made to expand on the western storyline. Granted not all western oriented storylines have been recognized by the western canon, but a few have been.
SonicMobius 20:42, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
I personally think that the original creators wishes should be considered canon. The Western storylines deserve mention but to be fair they came at a time when things were localised alot more. If we take the Western manuals/games as canon then Amy is Sally and the SatAM characters exist in the games. Since Sonic was a Japanese creation, I think it's better sticking to the Japanese storylines and acknowledging there was some global difference until recent games went with a unified story. -- HellCat86 21:52, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
As far as I'm concerned, the games came first and as such are THE canon. The comics, shows, etc are just others takes on the story. Right now the global continuity has reached a point where it says "Ok, the Japanese history is THE canon but we'll show some respect by acknowledging things like the Robotnik name in some way". I'm personally jaded because I see alot of fans (ESPECIALLY of the Archie comic) who argue the other continuities deserve equal (in some cases superiour) respect. Alot of articles on Wikipedia break down things by different interpretations and localisation, for instance articles covering the Transformers franchise. Most people seem content to take the same stance with this article and I for one agree with it.-- HellCat86 00:55, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
4.249.27.120 03:24, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
more will probably be added later. SonicMobius 15:54, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
We've already discussed this: Archive 1#Sonic and Sally Picture and Archive 2#Focus on the_games/Reverting edits. yawn. -- DavidHOzAu 08:19, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
SonicMobius 21:39, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
This is getting out of hand. There exists an entire seperate article for the most major Western interpretation of the character, why not just put the info there? This is why I hate Archie fans, because they place too much importance in that damn comic. I grew up reading the UK title Sonic the Comic but I accept that as a spin-off take on the character and not proper continuity.-- HellCat86 23:10, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Umm.. What,s Soj
...could do with some improvement. They need to be longer and broader. For instance, yesterday I fleshed out the introduction of Sonic the Hedgehog series and it now describes why the series is notable to an outsider. (in my opinion anyway.) We need to do more or less the same here. Why is Sonic notable? At the moment, it looks like the only notable thing about him are his stats: age, height, and weight. I know that WP:LEAD suggest four paragraphs for article of this size, but that's probably pushing it. How about we aim for two paragraphs of similar size to the series' page, or even for only one paragraph about the size of the nice long ones we have further down the article? -- DavidHOzAu 09:41, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Sonic the Hedgehog | |
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' Sonic the Hedgehog' character | |
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First game | Sonic the Hedgehog |
Created by | Naoto Ohshima |
Feel free to discuss different orderings to the fields, I might have them mixed up. Speaking of which, what does everyone think of a |url=
field to an off-site profile? --
DavidHOzAu
01:41, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I'm editing this section right now. Information may change rapidly as the layout progresses. -- DavidHOzAu 06:44, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Sonic the Hedgehog | ||||||
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First game | Sonic the Hedgehog |
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Sonic's appearance on
his 15th anniversary
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Game series | Sonic the Hedgehog | |||||
Creator(s) | Naoto Ohshima | |||||
Voice actor |
en:
Jason Griffith jp: Junichi Kanemaru | |||||
In-Universe Information
{{Sonic character |
age=15 | birthday= June 23 | born=Christmas Island | super= Super Sonic | attacks=Homing Attack, Spin Dash
}} |
There. This is just two columns, I don't know how to possibly balance three columns. A good place for this would be beside the TOC. -- DavidHOzAu 03:30, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
For the following reasons :
Let's try to work out how to tackle these issues head on. They are listed above, and numbered below with appropriate links:
Suggestions? -- DavidHOzAu 05:50, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
What I think they are referring to in (2) is that the later half of the article is relatively citation free. -- DavidHOzAu 12:46, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
His name is officially Sonic The Hedgehog(with the "T" capitalized). This is how Sega has has always spelled it and how they registered it. Spelling it "Sonic the Hedgehog" is incorrect. TJ Spyke 00:09, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Despite Sonic being extremely popular back in the early 90's, I do not remember anyone saying he had a nationality, specifically Australian. If so, then what is up with someone adding that to the 'Fictional Australians' group? -- VelocityEX 9:04, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
He was born on Christmas Island. -- DavidHOzAu 06:23, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
They say he usually hung out at Southern Island in the Older SOnic Games, so it could be possible that he may have been born there. I have heard a lot about Christmas Island though. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 156.63.193.62 ( talk • contribs) .
Well, as of now, I don't think there is any proof that he is Austrailian, so that should probably be removed until we have some proof that he was born in Austrailia.
Hey,hey,hey.Hold up, why does the archie/american version os Sonic have his own article?Shouldn't the Sonic the Comic Sonic get an article for himself as well?-Centurion Ry
I mean....An entire article JUST for the Fleetway character of Sonic...NOT THE COMIC!!!-- 86.133.44.35 20:17, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Sure, go ahead; you're welcome to try starting it. May I suggest Sonic the Hedgehog (Fleetway character), Sonic the Hedgehog (Sonic the Comic character) or Sonic the Hedgehog (British comic character). (my money is on the first.) If you need a page created I'll create it for you. -- DavidHOzAu 05:31, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Hm...I'll have to keep that in mind...The good news is, I FINALLY could be bothered to log in.The bad news is, I have no experince in creating articles.-- Centurion Ry 21:32, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Ok, Ok, OK! Sonic is bundled up with Panasonic, Sony's PlayStation, Microsoft's Xbox and other companys.
They just love Sonic, don't they?
This is like a videogame marathon!
Like, almost 500,000 copies. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sonic79267 ( talk • contribs) .
Im surprised that there are no "Sonic Adventure" styled pictures on this page. Not only is it the longest running style of sonic art but it is the most recognisable. I didnt want to change or add a picture myself because of the control put on this article but its definitly an impromement from the multiple 3d pictures and the Sonic X pixtures(which dont really relate to the "official" segasonic universe at all.)- Rossy Miles 12:41, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
See /Archive 2#Next Gen pic why we are using the latest-style pics. It is more-or-less convention among CVG articles to use the latest pictures available. As for that Super Sonic image from Sonic X, that one has a non-blank background and it is more suitable for discussing his physical changes/transformation than Sonic Channel's more recent one. To be honest, there's nothing wrong with Adventure-style pics, but the images we use in the article right now do the job admirably. -- DavidHOzAu 05:22, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
I agree that the 3D styled pictures are the best to be used for the article, but dosent the article deserve just one Adventure styled pic. Its even got the mega drive style. If the existing pictures cant be changed a new one could be added. - Rossy Miles 08:56, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
I have noticed ANOTHER Sonic X screenshot has been added. No adventure style! - Rossy Miles 11:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
...until we are out of the category, "
Articles with unsourced statements" (
now defunct). They are:
About the Blaze bit, I have read Blaze's profile at Concept-Mobius and apparently, she isn't that much alike. (In fact she has a somewhat more reclusive attitude towards others and herself when compared to Sonic's opinion about similar matters.) However, from an out-of-universe perspective there really isn't much difference; both jump, have to go to the right to get to the end, etc. Thus, as it stands, the entire section on Blaze's relation to Sonic is somewhat flawed (probably because I wrote it) and gives the reader the wrong impression. Does anyone have any ideas on making the article more accurate? -- DavidHOzAu 05:42, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
I've gotten rid of the last two {{ citeneeded}}, they were not necessary:
As soon as Blaze the Cat's section is fixed, we can try for GA again; the article has come a long way. -- DavidHOzAu 11:29, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
I removed the the last sentence of Blaze's section because that was the problematic sentence in the paragraph that gave the wrong impressing. Now that all {{ citeneeded}} have been filled, I have relisted the article as a GA candidate. I would like to thank every one who has helped to improve the article, and I would like to request that all of us keep a sane head while the GA status is pending. -- DavidHOzAu 22:21, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
== Eggman versus Robotnik ==
User:Sonic3KMaster changed all the instances of "Eggman" to Robotnik on this article - with the rationalization that the "Robotnik" name is more acccepted. I thought the converse was true. His article is under
Doctor Eggman and the Eggman name is used throughout that article. Reverting. --
Jtalledo
(talk) 19:14, 6 August 2006 (UTC) -- Whoops. --
Jtalledo
(talk)
19:34, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
As one can see, this article has been vandalized. To quote it, it says: Although how he became half a monster is a mystery- there is a true story behind it all. He began as a cat, a light brown cat, and he got zapped by a ray which combined two different creatures, and he grew spikes, etc. The ray sent him crashing into Amy's house. He was 2 years old. He has a brother names Shadow, who is his worst enemy. While Sonic is nice(or tries to be)Shadow is evil and wants to be head of the family. <img and also says that he's "half-a cat, half-a monster" in his species section. Under Sonic's biography, it says: Sonic is a blue anthropomorphic cat/monster with the ability to run faster than the speed of sound; his talent for speed forms a large part of the gameplay of the series. Under Sonic's design, it even says: Sonic's design is very tricky to see. What makes him half cat is his cat ears, cat feet, and cat tail. He is half a monster because of his spikes, teeth, claws, eyes, and his LOVE for steak. But the sad part is when he was hit by the ray, he became known to think like a monster. He tries to control himself, but it's too hard without Amy's help. <img src=" http://www.teamartail.com/sonicx/viewimage.php/60/images/125.JPG"> |url= http://sonicworld.sclassic.org/angel_island_interviews/interviews/1992/sonic_1992_unknown_1.htm |title=Sega Visions Interview with Yuji Naka |year=1992 |month=October |accessdate=2006-03-06}}</ref>. In fact, it even repeatedly assures visitors that his favourite food is steak, and it says: As a baby though, he'd wreck things, and wake up in the middle of the night for steak. Soon he and Amy grew very attached. Amy was told to stay the same age until Sonic was older than her. Can someone remove those statements and correct them? Shadoman 15:27, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Fastnaturedude 20:10, 13 August 2006 (EST)
Great... while we wait the approval of the GA team, two {{cite}} appear...
Some say Metal Sonic is still Sonic's true rival, as Shadow is acting a bit more like a friend than a rival. [citation needed] Metal Sonic's current location is unknown to everyone, except possibly Omega and Shadow, who were seen with his crumpled frame at the end of Sonic Heroes. Although it is speculated that Metal Sonic was destroyed, [citation needed] this is unlikely; Metal Sonic might come back again in future games, as it is hinted in Heroes that Sonic and Metal Sonic are still rivals to the end, when the two make a mutual vow to battle again.
Somebody fix this, please!
igordebraga ≠ 19:24, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Fixed. -- DavidHOzAu 12:43, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
While we're on this topic, if you're wondering why the GA is taking so long, it was moved to "Everyday". (Don't know how it ended up there since I wasn't aware it was listed it under that.) I have just moved it to a more appropriate location. Hopefully it won't take long now. -- DavidHOzAu 04:48, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
The result of the debate was no move. -- tariqabjotu 02:04, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Sonic the Hedgehog (character) → Sonic The Hedgehog (character) – Legal correct name of the character, Sega registered "The" as his middle name and thus should be capitalized. TJ Spyke 19:46, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
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I hope no one minds, but I've updated Sonic's picture. UnDeRsCoRe 21:35, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I recently noticed someone reverted the picture back to it's old one under the grounds that it had a gradient border. It dosen't matter if it has a border. It his most recent appearence and it should be there. And if you have a problem with it, why don't you just edit the picture and remove the border and upload it.? UnDeRsCoRe 15:19, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Whats the problem with cropping the gradient from the picture? Its just the same as ordinary cropping but with a non-straight edge. Sonicteam dosent care anyway, they allowed Dioxaz's Sonic Art Archive as long as it had a copyright notice on the picture download page. - Rossy Miles 08:32, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
If you play Sonic Adventure games or watch Sonic X in Japanese, you'll notice that Sonic uses alot of english phrases. In fact, in Sonic X, Sonic usualy says at least one thing in english per episode I think it's like his personality... or something worth mentioning at least
They do that all the time in Japanese entertainment. In Super Smash Bros. Melee, pretty much everyone (excluding Mario, Luigi, Dr. Mario, Peach, Yoshi, Bowser, DK and the Pokémon) does the same thing. Seriously, people have known about this for over eight and a half years. Shadoman 14:59, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Guys, the image at the top of the page Image:Sonic_next-gen.png doesn't have a FU rationale, and this means that the article would fail part 6a) of the criteria. Could someone correct this and check all other images in the article have FU rationale and source information. Thanks, Alexj2002 00:40, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
The original image was Sonicnextgen.png; I'll restore it. In the meantime, Sonic_next-gen.png should have FU rationale and a respectable source added, rather than some place from freewebs. (The latter looks like a photoshopped fair-use image I know of, which would be closer to copyvio than fair use.) -- DavidH Oz Au 09:20, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
As a next step I would suggest that the various lists under the appearances section be moved into their own article along with other unnecessary objects to comply with WP:SUMMARY. Then I would suggest trying for FAC. Tarret 15:11, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for awarding the article GA status; it makes the entire writing experience worthwhile. We will put that as the next thing on our unwritten "to do" list. -- DavidH Oz Au 02:46, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
yeah, he can do evry thing sonic can, and they look pretty the same. shadow has also said that sonic looks like his ``TWIN´´. SO WHY NOT. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.200.164.254 ( talk • contribs) .
That can't be true! No way can that be true! Anonymous 65.87.191.22 23:05, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
This is not a forum. -- DavidH Oz Au 04:10, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
So far I've reverted twice an attempt to add unsourced, unverifiable information regarding voice work supposedly done for the next-gen Sonic. The statements I removed say that a "hack-team" found a "secret page" on an unspecified site stating the names of voice actors. Rather than get into an edit war, I'd like to get some discussion going here with whoever is adding these -- one was an anon user, the other appears to be a new account. If we can get some kind of citation for the information, then maybe it can stay -- even though, honestly, it's not very good or useful information, and encourages site hacking. -- Darksasami 22:33, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
It also goes against all that is good about good articles. I thought this would happen. -- DavidH Oz Au 13:25, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I added a comment to the text, using the usual style of phrasing that visible templates do. Crufty and uncited prose has no place on Wikipedia. -- DavidH Oz Au 13:42, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Per the suggestion in #GA Passed, I forked off the book section to List of Sonic the Hedgehog printed media. Now we need a really tight summary of it and we are done. -- DavidH Oz Au 06:42, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but where is this X Factor stated from official sources? Czin 00:19, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm as lost as you are. Someone needs to explain this. Superbub 01:13, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Might be from the new game, I'm not sure. I added {{ citeneeded}}; I'll remove the statement entirely in a few days if a source isn't cited. -- DavidH Oz Au 11:10, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Blame the Sonic X dub for that...they used it in a promo ad GrandMasterGalvatron 18:58, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Forget the X-Factor, what about the rest of the article? What really needs to be explained is this. Can someone please explain why all the text on the left has disappeared? In particular, it has removed nearly all references from Sonic the Comic that have been accepted by games or does not contradict them. The reason why it was there is because we don't have an article about Sonic the Hedgehog (Fleetway character) yet; this article is about the video game character, but it is also a portal to the other incarnations of Sonic too. I have no qualms about the extra text which can be incorporated into the article, or the removal of certain listcruft, but the article has gone back a month or two. I know I've been busy at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Sidebar redesign, but this is ridiculous. I'll try to work what I remember back into the article again; when I'm done I hope to have over fifty references and a balanced article again. -- DavidH Oz Au 07:18, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
There, back to 52 references again. Note that while I think the old edition is extremely well laid out, it lacks a significant amount of content. It would be nice if we could find a place to put that text and those references instead of removing them entirely. When we have 52 references, a loss of six references is nothing to quibble at. Since this is a niche subject, the article could do well with a few more references before FA status; almost every statement will need a suitable citation. This may be our hardest endeavor yet. -- DavidH Oz Au 11:10, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, I didn't delete it, but if I'm correctly understanding what you're saying, then you are agreeing with me on something I've thought about for some time now.
I had been wondering, "What if we move all media info from sources that are not from the video games directly?" The games are the only canonical thing, after all. Maybe we should move this stuff into a seperate article. Superbub 12:54, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
This is why the text was removed. I think I'll remove some of that text I restored and post it here for later consideration. I'll have to pay more attention to talk page notices on articles I frequent. ^_^; -- DavidH Oz Au 03:09, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, in time we will need to seperate all the info that isn't canon to the games, but until then Sonic The Comic references should stay. Czin 04:58, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
You may also notice that I recently moved all the out-of-universe information towards the top of the article, again per recommendations in the FAC. -- DavidH Oz Au 23:16, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
I suggest that information on all of the Super Forms be merged into one article. The transformations section rivals the length of Super Sonic's article. Since people want to shorten the pages so much, this might be a good idea. Grandmastergalvatron 17:17, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
You know the deal: Sonic is an ordinary brown hedgehog. Eggman has an accident and becomes a mad scientist; Sonic becomes the fastest thing alive. Yeah. So it isn't anywhere in the article. I suspect it isn't canon either, hence its exclusion. But I would like to point out that the story was a part of the official American (paradoxical, yes) Sega site for quite some time. Anyone care to discuss this? Personally, I think it could be mentioned in passing; devoting a new section to it would be excessive. Unless it is actually canonical in some part of the world. Paul Haymon 08:11, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
This [3] is the page preceding the page that the origin story was originally found on, but I can't access it. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable about accessing archived webpages can help out; otherwise, feel free to remove the unsourced statement. Paul Haymon 08:20, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
What, exactly, needs to be done at this point? Point me in the direction of fixable errors or improvable prose. I want this article to be a featured one, blast it all. Paul Haymon 07:42, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Here's some suggestions. -- DavidH Oz Au 12:25, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
There are spoilers randomly throughout the article, but no spoiler tag... Paul Haymon 07:52, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
That's generally left up to editor discretion. Generally, if the article can get away without them, don't use them. -- DavidH Oz Au 12:32, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
I think the current picture of Sonic at the top of the article is okay, but I think that we should use the picture of Sonic from his character profile on the Japanese Sonic 2006 game website. Anonymous September 30th, 2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.19.141.251 ( talk • contribs) .