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Blur fans sometimes report that Song 2 is a satire on American pop rock music, a deliberate construction based on successful rock songs. The success of the song would testify to their triumph, as the song is not understood to be a satire of the majority of listeners. Some ironic critics suggest that this was a rumor started as a satire of "indie kids" who are too eager to criticize pop music and read too much into other music. Neither of these rumors can been confirmed.
No rumour. I can't get a source, but I watched a TV interview with Damon Alburn here, in England, and he said it was in vein of a American rock band, and therefore, was likely to get a high chart position. The irony is Yanks obviously loved it, and it reached number 2, in the chart. Point proved there, Mr. Alburn.
I read that some consider it to be a Grunge parody...i suppose i see it. Soft verse, heavy chorus. I just never really saw it before, and still dont really see it...but i understand the American parody thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.251.57.162 ( talk) 17:32, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
I seem to remember the song being used in trailers for Starship Troopers here in the United States. If someone has information to the contrary, feel free to change it back and leave a comment here. NoIdeaNick 05:49, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
I have read before that the song is called "Song 2" not because of it being the second track on the album, but rather because it was the second song that Damon could not come up with a name for. There is supposed to be a song out there called "Song," or "Song 1." I suppose that if anyone could find this song, it would lend more credibility to this idea.
Another reason I have heard was because it is 2 minutes and 2 seconds long?
Its actually two minutes long exactly and thats the reason for the name. —Preceding
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14:44, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
I doubt the song length has anything to do with the title.
My understanding is that it was a "generic" grungy American song with vague, nonsensical ("generic" grunge) lyrics, so why not give it a generic title?
If it was track 3 it would be Song 3, etc... Ahubling ( talk) 00:41, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
So I just happened to listen to /info/en/?search=Warum_geht_es_mir_so_dreckig%3F (the song, atm available at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyazQPo9l2c), and it seemed somewhat familiar - hey, it's that Blur song! So I googled a bit and found this: "they actually stole that whole song from a German band called “Ton Steine Scherben”, the songs name being “Warum geht es mir so dreckig?”. As they couldn’t pronounce it and it was the second song on the Ton Steine Scherben LP they just called it song two. and never payed any royalties." http://qn5.com/discuss/viewthread/7366/#115374 But if that actually is the source for the song's name, there are probably no citable sources for it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.216.50.44 ( talk) 20:43, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
I removed this section from the article
During the recording of the Blur album, Damon Albarn is said to have been friends with Rolling Stones frontman Mick Jagger. Song 2 has been rumoured to be the most obscure cover of the Rolling Stones track 'Out of Time' because it features heavily altered lyrics and music. the title 'Song 2' just refers to it as the second song/version of Out of Time.
It seems like a wild rumour. Does anyone have a source to backup this claim?
Husky (
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15:57, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Graham Coxon has said that he is a fan of Swedish Band [Bob hund]. There is a persistant rumour in Sweden that Song 2 was written after the band had seen Bob Hund live, but I can't neither find anything to confirm or deny this. My personal guess is that the rimour is based solely on the similarities between the energetic style of bob hund and "Song 2", but if somebody has more info to dispell (or confirm) this it would be great. -- 81.57.180.153 14:50, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
From the link (#3) in the article:
BLUR SNUB NATO STEALTH BOMBER LAUNCH
Blur singer Damon Albarn refused permission for the US military to unveil their latest stealth bomber to the strains of the band's brilliant Song 2. The track, featured on their Blur album gave the band their biggest US hit and was even used in an episode of the Simpsons.
But when the Pentagon asked to use the track and its famous "Wah-hoo" chorus at the launch of a new stealth bomber, the band refused.
"It was for the official unveiling of the Stealth bomber that just got shot down in Serbia," says Albarn. "I like the idea of some Serb going 'wah-hoo' after that!"
The aircraft lost in Serbia was a Lockheed F-117A, shot down on March 27, 1999. The F-117A was first delivered in 1982, and production was completed in 1990. The USAF first admitted the existence of the aircraft in November 1988, and the first examples were seen publicly in 1990. Clearly, Albarn is not familiar with the history of the F-117A. The only other Stealth aircraft flown by the USAF are the B-2 bomber, which first appeared in public in November 1988, and the F-22, which first flew (as the YF-22) in 1990. None of the dates match up to an "official unveiling" of any new stealth aircraft operated by the USAF in the time frame Albarn is discussing. So Albarn is clearly mistaken. Baclightning ( talk) 22:37, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Post Grunge?? doesnt sound anything like Post Grunge, and Post Grunge isnt about the date its more a Poppier sound of Grunge e.g. Nickleback. But this is pure Grunge, i will change this to Grunge and if you wish to say why i am wrong reply or i will keep adding! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.96.254.143 ( talk) 18:01, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Now look lets get to the point ok, this song is Grunge. Post Grunge is Nickleback, Foo Fighters ect.. this is more Grunge and now im getting sombody saying we dont usally allow this what its a opinion! Freedom Of Speech! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.96.254.143 ( talk) 01:31, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
http://www.mojo4music.com/blog/2009/11/blur_1.html right there!!! and dont say Mojo isnt a reliable sorce! and also, i would like to see a sorce saying that it is Post Grunge!
ok now do any of you have ears?? have you even listened to this song?? and anyway i think we can resolve this by putting Britpop, Grunge, Post Grunge and maybe everyone is happy then?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.96.254.143 ( talk) 16:34, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
yeah good point, shall we just leave it at Britpop, Grunge?? because did you remove Post Grunge?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.96.254.143 ( talk) 17:36, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
Ah cool, i was supporting just Grunge but Britpop, Grunge makes more sence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.96.254.143 ( talk) 22:29, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
Why is alternative rock genre i think more punk-style vocals with features a heavy and fast guitar riff all right! at grunge and alternative -- 125.24.81.75 ( talk) 03:18, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
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Add in grunge or post grunge as the genre, because even though it's not technically a grunge band, this song was intended to be a parody of American Grunge. Perhaps just a harmless add-in, to redirect/inform users of the background of this song, more than just "alternative. Hope to hear from you guys soon. Thanks 2601:8:9800:64C:129A:DDFF:FEAA:BDF6 ( talk) 03:45, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
http://books.google.com/books?id=lh5Uoe8hX7sC&pg=PA214&lpg=PA214&dq=blur+song+2+genre+grunge&source=bl&ots=SKXAjK94U-&sig=RguTTiRFNU4zmFbNUFjMmIo-yZk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=f9LyU72yK4f1oASHzIDIAg&ved=0CCUQ6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q=blur%20song%202%20genre%20grunge&f=false "the incorporation of stylistic elements from grunge (“Song 2” from Blur, 1997);" In that respect it can be considered post grunge, or grunge-derived at the very least.
also " "Song 2" was timed perfectly. Grunge had fallen by the wayside in early 1997, but it still could win a teenage audience, thanks to the loud guitars. "Song 2" managed to be reminiscent of grunge, but was fresh, due to its brevity and songcraft. " http://www.allmusic.com/song/song-2-mt0004234986 This is more leaning towards post grunge, but you get the idea, i hope. Read more in the allmusic article and you'll find that Song 2 integrated itself into American culture, used in ads, video games soundtracks, and general successful sales. 2601:8:9800:64C:129A:DDFF:FEAA:BDF6 ( talk) 04:34, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
And what song would that be. I don't know, it couldn't hurt. But looking at the other source i feel that post grunge describes Song 2 perfectly. I mean, those "stylistic elements" combined with the fact that this was intended to be a grunge parody qualify it to be under the post grunge category, at least in my opinion. Especially since one of their angles was that grunge had been rendered obsolete at the time 2601:8:9800:64C:129A:DDFF:FEAA:BDF6 ( talk) 05:40, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
The Wiki page states Song 2 was intended as "parody of grunge", but the source doesn't seem very respectable, and Blur guitarist denied the grunge interpretation here: http://www.vblurpage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2975 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phillennium ( talk • contribs) 00:09, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
Can a line be added to the other uses about the St. Louis Blues of the NHL use Song 2 as their home victory song since 2016? There is a reference to this on the St. Louis Blues page under the Traditions heading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djmarquart ( talk • contribs) 23:07, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
Looking at source 9 in the article, this song is a parody of grunge, especially the use of the guitars to give it a "dirty" sound, a characteristic of the genre, so does that make it grunge or not? Donny ( talk) 02:15, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
Alot of expired and/or broken links that redirect you to HTTP 404 pages, can someone fix it and replace them with Internet Archive links? אקסינו ( talk) 09:29, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
Why no reference to its use in fifa 98? gitts ( talk) 08:50, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
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Blur fans sometimes report that Song 2 is a satire on American pop rock music, a deliberate construction based on successful rock songs. The success of the song would testify to their triumph, as the song is not understood to be a satire of the majority of listeners. Some ironic critics suggest that this was a rumor started as a satire of "indie kids" who are too eager to criticize pop music and read too much into other music. Neither of these rumors can been confirmed.
No rumour. I can't get a source, but I watched a TV interview with Damon Alburn here, in England, and he said it was in vein of a American rock band, and therefore, was likely to get a high chart position. The irony is Yanks obviously loved it, and it reached number 2, in the chart. Point proved there, Mr. Alburn.
I read that some consider it to be a Grunge parody...i suppose i see it. Soft verse, heavy chorus. I just never really saw it before, and still dont really see it...but i understand the American parody thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.251.57.162 ( talk) 17:32, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
I seem to remember the song being used in trailers for Starship Troopers here in the United States. If someone has information to the contrary, feel free to change it back and leave a comment here. NoIdeaNick 05:49, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
I have read before that the song is called "Song 2" not because of it being the second track on the album, but rather because it was the second song that Damon could not come up with a name for. There is supposed to be a song out there called "Song," or "Song 1." I suppose that if anyone could find this song, it would lend more credibility to this idea.
Another reason I have heard was because it is 2 minutes and 2 seconds long?
Its actually two minutes long exactly and thats the reason for the name. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Qrimmer (
talk •
contribs)
14:44, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
I doubt the song length has anything to do with the title.
My understanding is that it was a "generic" grungy American song with vague, nonsensical ("generic" grunge) lyrics, so why not give it a generic title?
If it was track 3 it would be Song 3, etc... Ahubling ( talk) 00:41, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
So I just happened to listen to /info/en/?search=Warum_geht_es_mir_so_dreckig%3F (the song, atm available at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyazQPo9l2c), and it seemed somewhat familiar - hey, it's that Blur song! So I googled a bit and found this: "they actually stole that whole song from a German band called “Ton Steine Scherben”, the songs name being “Warum geht es mir so dreckig?”. As they couldn’t pronounce it and it was the second song on the Ton Steine Scherben LP they just called it song two. and never payed any royalties." http://qn5.com/discuss/viewthread/7366/#115374 But if that actually is the source for the song's name, there are probably no citable sources for it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.216.50.44 ( talk) 20:43, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
I removed this section from the article
During the recording of the Blur album, Damon Albarn is said to have been friends with Rolling Stones frontman Mick Jagger. Song 2 has been rumoured to be the most obscure cover of the Rolling Stones track 'Out of Time' because it features heavily altered lyrics and music. the title 'Song 2' just refers to it as the second song/version of Out of Time.
It seems like a wild rumour. Does anyone have a source to backup this claim?
Husky (
talk page)
15:57, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Graham Coxon has said that he is a fan of Swedish Band [Bob hund]. There is a persistant rumour in Sweden that Song 2 was written after the band had seen Bob Hund live, but I can't neither find anything to confirm or deny this. My personal guess is that the rimour is based solely on the similarities between the energetic style of bob hund and "Song 2", but if somebody has more info to dispell (or confirm) this it would be great. -- 81.57.180.153 14:50, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
From the link (#3) in the article:
BLUR SNUB NATO STEALTH BOMBER LAUNCH
Blur singer Damon Albarn refused permission for the US military to unveil their latest stealth bomber to the strains of the band's brilliant Song 2. The track, featured on their Blur album gave the band their biggest US hit and was even used in an episode of the Simpsons.
But when the Pentagon asked to use the track and its famous "Wah-hoo" chorus at the launch of a new stealth bomber, the band refused.
"It was for the official unveiling of the Stealth bomber that just got shot down in Serbia," says Albarn. "I like the idea of some Serb going 'wah-hoo' after that!"
The aircraft lost in Serbia was a Lockheed F-117A, shot down on March 27, 1999. The F-117A was first delivered in 1982, and production was completed in 1990. The USAF first admitted the existence of the aircraft in November 1988, and the first examples were seen publicly in 1990. Clearly, Albarn is not familiar with the history of the F-117A. The only other Stealth aircraft flown by the USAF are the B-2 bomber, which first appeared in public in November 1988, and the F-22, which first flew (as the YF-22) in 1990. None of the dates match up to an "official unveiling" of any new stealth aircraft operated by the USAF in the time frame Albarn is discussing. So Albarn is clearly mistaken. Baclightning ( talk) 22:37, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Post Grunge?? doesnt sound anything like Post Grunge, and Post Grunge isnt about the date its more a Poppier sound of Grunge e.g. Nickleback. But this is pure Grunge, i will change this to Grunge and if you wish to say why i am wrong reply or i will keep adding! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.96.254.143 ( talk) 18:01, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Now look lets get to the point ok, this song is Grunge. Post Grunge is Nickleback, Foo Fighters ect.. this is more Grunge and now im getting sombody saying we dont usally allow this what its a opinion! Freedom Of Speech! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.96.254.143 ( talk) 01:31, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
http://www.mojo4music.com/blog/2009/11/blur_1.html right there!!! and dont say Mojo isnt a reliable sorce! and also, i would like to see a sorce saying that it is Post Grunge!
ok now do any of you have ears?? have you even listened to this song?? and anyway i think we can resolve this by putting Britpop, Grunge, Post Grunge and maybe everyone is happy then?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.96.254.143 ( talk) 16:34, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
yeah good point, shall we just leave it at Britpop, Grunge?? because did you remove Post Grunge?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.96.254.143 ( talk) 17:36, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
Ah cool, i was supporting just Grunge but Britpop, Grunge makes more sence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.96.254.143 ( talk) 22:29, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
Why is alternative rock genre i think more punk-style vocals with features a heavy and fast guitar riff all right! at grunge and alternative -- 125.24.81.75 ( talk) 03:18, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
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Add in grunge or post grunge as the genre, because even though it's not technically a grunge band, this song was intended to be a parody of American Grunge. Perhaps just a harmless add-in, to redirect/inform users of the background of this song, more than just "alternative. Hope to hear from you guys soon. Thanks 2601:8:9800:64C:129A:DDFF:FEAA:BDF6 ( talk) 03:45, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
http://books.google.com/books?id=lh5Uoe8hX7sC&pg=PA214&lpg=PA214&dq=blur+song+2+genre+grunge&source=bl&ots=SKXAjK94U-&sig=RguTTiRFNU4zmFbNUFjMmIo-yZk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=f9LyU72yK4f1oASHzIDIAg&ved=0CCUQ6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q=blur%20song%202%20genre%20grunge&f=false "the incorporation of stylistic elements from grunge (“Song 2” from Blur, 1997);" In that respect it can be considered post grunge, or grunge-derived at the very least.
also " "Song 2" was timed perfectly. Grunge had fallen by the wayside in early 1997, but it still could win a teenage audience, thanks to the loud guitars. "Song 2" managed to be reminiscent of grunge, but was fresh, due to its brevity and songcraft. " http://www.allmusic.com/song/song-2-mt0004234986 This is more leaning towards post grunge, but you get the idea, i hope. Read more in the allmusic article and you'll find that Song 2 integrated itself into American culture, used in ads, video games soundtracks, and general successful sales. 2601:8:9800:64C:129A:DDFF:FEAA:BDF6 ( talk) 04:34, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
And what song would that be. I don't know, it couldn't hurt. But looking at the other source i feel that post grunge describes Song 2 perfectly. I mean, those "stylistic elements" combined with the fact that this was intended to be a grunge parody qualify it to be under the post grunge category, at least in my opinion. Especially since one of their angles was that grunge had been rendered obsolete at the time 2601:8:9800:64C:129A:DDFF:FEAA:BDF6 ( talk) 05:40, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
The Wiki page states Song 2 was intended as "parody of grunge", but the source doesn't seem very respectable, and Blur guitarist denied the grunge interpretation here: http://www.vblurpage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2975 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phillennium ( talk • contribs) 00:09, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
Can a line be added to the other uses about the St. Louis Blues of the NHL use Song 2 as their home victory song since 2016? There is a reference to this on the St. Louis Blues page under the Traditions heading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djmarquart ( talk • contribs) 23:07, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
Looking at source 9 in the article, this song is a parody of grunge, especially the use of the guitars to give it a "dirty" sound, a characteristic of the genre, so does that make it grunge or not? Donny ( talk) 02:15, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
Alot of expired and/or broken links that redirect you to HTTP 404 pages, can someone fix it and replace them with Internet Archive links? אקסינו ( talk) 09:29, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
Why no reference to its use in fifa 98? gitts ( talk) 08:50, 31 December 2023 (UTC)