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I feel this article would be more appropriately named "Somerset church towers".— Rod talk 08:07, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
That's more precisely descriptive of the content, as the towers *are* all church towers, but in referring articles, here and the literature, they do call them Somerset Towers. It makes for easier referencing from other pages if you don't have to type in extra words to make the links... but I guess that can all be ironed out with disambiguation or synonyms somehow? Celia Kozlowski ( talk) 09:15, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Looking at the listing in churches and towers in somerset/england, I realized the title absolutely must, at least, have an "s" because it's not just one, but several. Rod or other smart editors, can you fix it so that Somerset tower or Somerset church towers will link to Somerset Towers? chrs et tnx, Celia Kozlowski ( talk) 11:17, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Oh no! I just realized I *can't* edit the title. I suppose I could create a new page, move all the text... and then somehow link the previous page to the new one??? Heeeeelp! Celia Kozlowski ( talk) 11:20, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
A great article. I have started working through it making minor copyedits, a long job in itself, so i can appreciate the vast amount of work you put into it. Well done, excellent job! I have a couple of comments though. The Bilbie family keeps coming up, and seems to be wikilinked excessively. I will try to catch these as i work through and reduce to one link per section, but maybe even that is excessive?? Some of the early sections in particular seem to mention specifically 'parish church' and even 'CofE parish Church'. This seems to get a bit monotonous. If they are all parish churches, and all CofE churches, can we just say so in the lead and delete all further references. "The 12th century Church of St Mary is in Bruton" seems like an afterthought and really needs a date for the tower for it's inclusion to make much sense. Derek Andrews ( talk) 13:10, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Considering that this article is about towers, I wonder if other information about the churches should be deleted? For example, Wrington mentions stone busts, rood screens, 'chancel has gothic reredos'. This is a long and complex article, and I think it might be stronger if it kept to the point. It might also benefit from a glossary in an infobox / sidebar explaining briefly the architectural terms that may not be familiar - wikilinking is ok, but it does make it difficult to follow, especially to the layman. Derek Andrews ( talk) 19:17, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
The Langport Generation starts with an incomplete sentence. Should there be a general description of this group like elsewhere? Derek Andrews ( talk) 23:39, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
The changes sound good to me, too, Derek -- go for it! As for a glossary... I wonder if there's a way we could do a pictorial glossary showing details from Somerset churches. E.G.
User:TenPoundHammer has added a "too long" tag to this article. It is currently 75kb - but a lot of this is from the images & references. In WP:MOS page Wikipedia:Article size says, as part of the "rule of thumb" that articles "> 60 KB Probably should be divided (although the scope of a topic can sometimes justify the added reading time)" and lists exceptions. Do people this this article is too long & if so what could be split from this article to reduce its size without loosing the summary nature of topic and it's integrity?— Rod talk 18:28, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
I guess what I would suggest is to cut it at the beginning of the detailed discussion of the "generations" and move the whole bottom half to a secondary page, "A Tour of Somerset Towers" or some such title. Even if we do that, we should probably look at the pix and text and do some picking and choosing... eliminating tower pix that aren't too great showing the tower or where the tower is just more of the same. We might actually want to get some new pix of the very best towers. Or maybe it's time to scrap the "generations" approach on the secondary page??? And there's still the idea of doing the little Anatomy of a Somerset Tower page... a sort of pictoral dictionary to demonstrate the various parts... Celia Kozlowski ( talk) 21:40, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
To address the length issues, I've moved discussion of specific towers to " A Tour of Somerset Towers." I would like to leave this main page with, say, four or five BEST pictures from the whole set shown on "A Tour". Since I have taken some of the pictures, I would prefer that an unbiased editor choose. My suggested criteria would be pictures that show the towers most clearly, are great pictures, and that give examples from the range of towers (most vs least ornate, oldest v more recent, tall v. short; etc.) thanks everyone! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Celiakozlowski ( talk • contribs) 12:52, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
--That's brilliant-- just what the page needed. TNX! Celia Kozlowski ( talk) 17:12, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
![]() | Somerset towers was a Art and architecture good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. | ||||||||||||
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![]() | A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the "
Did you know?" column on
April 16, 2008. The text of the entry was: Did you know ...that medieval
Perpendicular Gothic
Somerset Towers typically feature
pinnacles, lacy
tracery windows and bell openings,
gargoyles, arches,
buttresses,
merlons, and external stair
turrets? | ||||||||||||
Current status: Former good article nominee |
![]() | This article is rated B-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||
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I feel this article would be more appropriately named "Somerset church towers".— Rod talk 08:07, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
That's more precisely descriptive of the content, as the towers *are* all church towers, but in referring articles, here and the literature, they do call them Somerset Towers. It makes for easier referencing from other pages if you don't have to type in extra words to make the links... but I guess that can all be ironed out with disambiguation or synonyms somehow? Celia Kozlowski ( talk) 09:15, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Looking at the listing in churches and towers in somerset/england, I realized the title absolutely must, at least, have an "s" because it's not just one, but several. Rod or other smart editors, can you fix it so that Somerset tower or Somerset church towers will link to Somerset Towers? chrs et tnx, Celia Kozlowski ( talk) 11:17, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Oh no! I just realized I *can't* edit the title. I suppose I could create a new page, move all the text... and then somehow link the previous page to the new one??? Heeeeelp! Celia Kozlowski ( talk) 11:20, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
A great article. I have started working through it making minor copyedits, a long job in itself, so i can appreciate the vast amount of work you put into it. Well done, excellent job! I have a couple of comments though. The Bilbie family keeps coming up, and seems to be wikilinked excessively. I will try to catch these as i work through and reduce to one link per section, but maybe even that is excessive?? Some of the early sections in particular seem to mention specifically 'parish church' and even 'CofE parish Church'. This seems to get a bit monotonous. If they are all parish churches, and all CofE churches, can we just say so in the lead and delete all further references. "The 12th century Church of St Mary is in Bruton" seems like an afterthought and really needs a date for the tower for it's inclusion to make much sense. Derek Andrews ( talk) 13:10, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Considering that this article is about towers, I wonder if other information about the churches should be deleted? For example, Wrington mentions stone busts, rood screens, 'chancel has gothic reredos'. This is a long and complex article, and I think it might be stronger if it kept to the point. It might also benefit from a glossary in an infobox / sidebar explaining briefly the architectural terms that may not be familiar - wikilinking is ok, but it does make it difficult to follow, especially to the layman. Derek Andrews ( talk) 19:17, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
The Langport Generation starts with an incomplete sentence. Should there be a general description of this group like elsewhere? Derek Andrews ( talk) 23:39, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
The changes sound good to me, too, Derek -- go for it! As for a glossary... I wonder if there's a way we could do a pictorial glossary showing details from Somerset churches. E.G.
User:TenPoundHammer has added a "too long" tag to this article. It is currently 75kb - but a lot of this is from the images & references. In WP:MOS page Wikipedia:Article size says, as part of the "rule of thumb" that articles "> 60 KB Probably should be divided (although the scope of a topic can sometimes justify the added reading time)" and lists exceptions. Do people this this article is too long & if so what could be split from this article to reduce its size without loosing the summary nature of topic and it's integrity?— Rod talk 18:28, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
I guess what I would suggest is to cut it at the beginning of the detailed discussion of the "generations" and move the whole bottom half to a secondary page, "A Tour of Somerset Towers" or some such title. Even if we do that, we should probably look at the pix and text and do some picking and choosing... eliminating tower pix that aren't too great showing the tower or where the tower is just more of the same. We might actually want to get some new pix of the very best towers. Or maybe it's time to scrap the "generations" approach on the secondary page??? And there's still the idea of doing the little Anatomy of a Somerset Tower page... a sort of pictoral dictionary to demonstrate the various parts... Celia Kozlowski ( talk) 21:40, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
To address the length issues, I've moved discussion of specific towers to " A Tour of Somerset Towers." I would like to leave this main page with, say, four or five BEST pictures from the whole set shown on "A Tour". Since I have taken some of the pictures, I would prefer that an unbiased editor choose. My suggested criteria would be pictures that show the towers most clearly, are great pictures, and that give examples from the range of towers (most vs least ornate, oldest v more recent, tall v. short; etc.) thanks everyone! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Celiakozlowski ( talk • contribs) 12:52, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
--That's brilliant-- just what the page needed. TNX! Celia Kozlowski ( talk) 17:12, 2 July 2008 (UTC)