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While Banadirs and Bantus are Somalians, they are not Somali, which is the subject of this article. Thus I've removed the information. I'm also wondering about the info currently presented in the "Genetic evidence" section; see my comments at Talk:Horn of Africa. I'm also not sure about Waaq being a "cow god" (or perhaps this Waaq is different from the deity traditionally worshipped by the Oromo). And as the article could use more attention I've added the {{ attention}} template. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 21:31, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
Maybe I should edit my picture I put up? I have a Bantu Somali man on it and the two boys are Banadirs. But the Benadir have been in Somalia for centuries and at times, you can't tell the difference between them and of a normal somali. The Bantu did come from southern Africa though... -- FAH1223 16:19, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
The map is really out-of-date; see Image talk:Somali map.jpg for details. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 04:26, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
Attempted replacement by user Eastafrica institute ( talk · contribs)
Compare the 2002 image to the map which was attempted to be added recently to the Somali people article. The national borders were off, and the terms Rahanweyn and Ishaak were entirely missing. I reverted the changes made to the page, but I wanted to leave a note here for watchers to be wary of other attempts to replace it. If it is being replaced, I believe someone should submit their proposed change for peer review, especially if it constitutes original research. I do not believe that this "2005" map is based on the CIA's work. -- Petercorless 17:00, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Also look at the images listed at User talk:Sanaagian near the bottom. They were also all fakes similar to the above. 07:29, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
I have removed some text from the article, as it strongly appeared to have been copied from the following sources (or from other copies thereof).
-- Gyrofrog (talk) 05:22, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
Currently, the article states that Somalis make up seventy-five percent of the population of Somalia, yet at another point it says eighty-five percent. I believe a previous version of this article said ninety-seven percent. I'm not sure how this number could be calculated at all, seeing how there hasn't been a census in Somalia in years. But it would be nice to stick with one figure where this article is concerned. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 07:16, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
Someone had added Issa to the list of Somali clans and I inadvertently removed it during a revert of some misinformation. Is this the same as Isaaq, which is already listed, or is the similarity in spelling a coincidence? At any rate Issa is a disambig page which points to this article (actually it pointed to the "Somali" disambig page until this article was created). -- Gyrofrog (talk) 07:16, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
The article states that somalis were the first africans to convert to islam, "...long before north africans did...". Since both Egyptians and Berbers (Tunisia, Algeria and Morroco) had all converted within a century of the death of the Prophet Mohammed, It seems that the conversion of the Somali people was very early indeed, from a point of view of the history of the Islamic world. When did this conversion exactly happen? This should be stated in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.112.128.230 ( talk • contribs) 04:08, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
" Unlike the neighboring Amhara who appear to have arrived at a later date to the region, the Somali people arrived are believed to have moved into the Zeila region by at least 750 CE and then expanded into all of what is today Somalia by displacing the Oromo."
This phrase is ambiguous. Is it refering to the Amhara presence in the Horn in general or Somalia in particular? If the latter, then it is unnecessary and should be removed. If the former, then it is in correct, as the Amhara are the descendants of the Agazyan and are thought to have begun to separate from Tigrignya speakers as early as the 400's AD (though ethnic denominations were solely based on linguistic differences). I am removing the first part of the sentence. Yom 06:46, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
"Education remains an important consideration for most Somalis, but, according to the CIA Factbook, only about 37.8% of the country is believed to be literate."
This isn't really needed...it is more of a SOMALIA problem, not one of Somalis...
While a problem in somalia, the literacy rate of somalis abroad (which is a large proportion) have much higher literacy rates...this is the country's problem...
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Rotten777 ( talk • contribs) 02:43, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I find that the genetics summary should be removed. Not only is it offensive to me, because I am part Somali-and to say that were are not black is pure BS. Then what the hell are we? Surely no damn European,Persian, or even middle-eastern. Somalis are black! Clean it up, or I will vote for this to be removed.
Cococanelle 15:42, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Someone just altered the entry on the genetics tonight. Anyone want to sort this out? -- Petercorless 06:26, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
The somalis are more caucasian than negroid(bantu) . The somalis have very black skin but their skull shape are like europaens and semetic people. Also their genetics are 15 % euroasian and only 5 % negroid( bantu), the rest 80 % are east african( cushitic) like the oromos and the ancient people of the Kush empire (not the nubians) and the ancient egyptians. To say that the somalis are negroid like the bantus and black americans because they have black skin ,are the same as to say that the chinese people are europaens because they have white skin.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.52.34.107 ( talk • contribs) 15:04, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
We are indigenous Africans who are related to other groups in the Horn of Africa and we are known as Elongated africans so I would appreciate it if that fact was kept in the article. RoboRanks [ 05:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC) ]
(cur) (last) 00:16, 25 November 2006 Sweetie1986 (Talk | contribs | block) (→Indiginous) (undo)
It's very sad what's happening to my people in South africa but let's make one thing clear there is a difference between highlighting the fact that native rival shop keepers are hiring gangsters to attack Somali Entrepreneurs because of their success and trying to paint a picture of other africans simply attacking Somalis because of their different facial features that's a fallacy and the fact that native south africans have started patroll systems where they protect somali shop keepers and the giving of local names as protection is proof of that
so please keep this semi-racist nonsense about other africans targeting somalis based on their looks out of the article cause it's nonsense
RoboRanks [ 05:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC) ]
the use of words like south african suffer from inferiority complex is quite sinister if you ask me and shouldn't be added in the page
the admin should do something about the complete deleting of new sections i've worked hard on
RoboRanks 01:21, 19 November 2006 (UTC) RoboRanks
[user 68.40.41.202 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
KEEP EDITING IT, I WON'T STOP UNTIL!!! YOU HAVE THIS DEEP ROOTED ISSUE. WE DON'T LIKE ADOONS LIKE YOU!
^^this is what he wrote in the article
it's quite clear that this person is not fit to edit the somali page
he uses it to dehumanize other groups instead of trying to inform the public about the somali people and he paints a bad image of my people
so something needs to be done about this vandalisme
RoboRanks 02:09, 19 November 2006 (UTC)RoboRanks
Whoa... this is quite the edit war. You both need to refrain from reverting immediately. RoboRanks, I can understand your frustration here. Can you please explain this dispute to me? shotwell 02:54, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I see that the edit war has been taken care of, but I'll try to research the topic to figure this all out. shotwell 03:01, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
shotwell i want you to take a look at these 3 edits
Somalis also face various discriminations. In the West, there is a huge Islamaphobic attitude towards Muslims in general. Plus, Somalis also face discriminations from Bantu Africans for their business savvy skills and looking different an example of this is the violence against Somalis in South Africa.| [1]
There have been increasing violence against Somalis, in South Africa since July of 2006. A reported 300 Somalis have been killed, many in the Somali community believe this has to do with racism [11]. There have been also attacks on Somalis from African Americans in Minnesota high schools since the mid 90s. This has become evident to Somalis that it has to do with the fact that Somalis are not from the negroid race, and are different in appearance to the likes of black Africans and African-Americans
^^these were the edits of Sweetie1986 ( talk · contribs) who also goes under various IP names
my take on these edits..
Racisme happens in every society( Including the Somali society) but in the case of South africa it's not racisme but rather economic reasons that fuelled the attacks on somali entrepreneurs,
the part about African Americans is irrelevant and the fact that these situations also happen to other african immigrants case in point Nigerians & Ghanians [2] refutes the ridicilous claims that the motives are looks
now my version
Somalis also face various discriminations. In the West, there is a huge Islamaphobic attitude towards Muslims in general. Plus, Somalis also face discriminations from other Africans for their business savvy skills an example of this is the violence against Somalis in South Africa. [3]but it's interesting to note that the native South Africans in their local communities have formed street commitees and have started to patroll the streets especially the places that have Somali shops and on top of that Somali entrepreneurs have received Local names as protection [4] so it shows the violence projected at Somali entrepreneurs is mainly from rival native shop keepers.
as you can see in my version i simply added more information about the situation that's going on in South Africa and that's not against the rule
the person that keeps editing it doesn't come to the discussion page despite my advice to do so..
so something needs to be done about this.. RoboRanks 03:54, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
the phrase business savy skills doesn't have it's origin with me, i only added to the allready existing section of the article with info about South Africans starting patrolls and the giving of local names to Somali Entrepreneurs with a reliable source attached to it
the interesting to note phrase has it's origin with me and i wasn't aware of the avoid weasel words rule so i have no problems if that part is rephrased in the article
back to the South Africa issue as you can see from my other posts on this discussion page Zimbabweans faced the same treatment when they arrived as newcomers [5]
besides for economic reason( the losing of local jobs to foreigners) could these attacks be xenophobic in origin (as in different culture, different religion)?
yes they could...but xenophobic as in looks i don't think so and the fact that Zimbabweans who share the same phenotype as black South africans are attacked as well adds more proof of that.
In South Africa every year 18 000 people are murdered so it is a big problem that is going on there [6] and my people aren't the only ones going through a bad time
the African American issue again Somalis aren't the only ones who face this treatment [7]
is this added on the articles relating to Ghanians and Hausa's Yoruba's or Fulani's?? last time i checked it wasnt, so why should it be added on the Somali article?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by RoboRanks ( talk • contribs) 17:22, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Yom the last census was done in the late 80's since the 80's ethiopia went from around 50/60 million to 70+ it would impossible for Somalia wich was and is one of the fastest growing countries in the continent to only go from 7+ to 8 million+
the pop size in somalia itself should between 12/15 million
so i think the person that keeps changing the numbers has that in his mind RoboRanks 12:45, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Honestly i have no problems with the 15/16 number but how are you going to prevent the person with multiple IP's from changing it back to 22 million? as you can see from my earlier complaints on this talk page it's quite iritating when the person that keeps changing it doesn't visit the discussion page.
i've send a request for protection. RoboRanks 05:48, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Are these changes correct? -- Electric Eye ( talk) 02:25, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone else think this article suffers from having far too many images. Perhaps we could discuss which ones are very important to the article so we can remove extraneous images once the article is unprotected? shotwell 23:26, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Could you state which parts you think there should be a decrease?
also i could under the Galleries write interesting info about the individuals from the images and add more to the article itself RoboRanks 16:48, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
You completely change everything that has to do with Somalis for your own purpose. You erased that Somalis trace back to Ancient Egypt, that they are not apart of the negroid race (THEY AREN'T THEY ARE CUSHITIC as stated in the BEGINNING OF THE ARTICLE).
Secondly, the South Africans did target the Somalis because of their looks. How should I know, because of RELIABLE RESOURCES WHICH I PUT and you DELETED! They also did that to the Indians.
You erase everything and anything that shows the depth and reality of what we Somalis go through on a daily basis in Bantu countries. Bantu is not an offensive term that is what they are, another word for Negroid. These are anthropological terms!
I suggest you open your eyes! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sweetie1986 ( talk • contribs) 00:27, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Sweetie1986 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.40.41.202 ( talk • contribs) 01:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Reply---- You are not Somali, it is CLEARER then water. You are trying to educate people, but yet you can't even spell "racism" and you FLOODED the Somali people page with unneccessary pictures (have you noticed none of the pictures even look remotely nice) and if someone posts pictures that are beautiful about Somalia, there you are ERASING it like crazy. What is your problem? This post is not neutral but biased, based on what you feel. If you owned Wikipedia I could understand it, BUT YOU DON'T!
Somalis were discriminated AGAINST because of their looks in South African (and many BANTU countries in Africa)their organs were taken out and sold (why not post that?). The truth should be told, not take one side of the story for your own sense of security.
Somalis and those of the horn are GENETICALLY different. If you were Somali you'd now that, and that they were different than the Fulani from Senegal and Northern Nigeria. On top of that their place of origin isn't even KNOWN. They could be migrates, even so they look NOTHING like Somalis or Ethiopians. I personally know someone who from the tribe of Fulani {and believe me that individual looks NOTHING like Iman (Somali model) }
By the way understand that I do not have multiple usernames, maybe just MAYBE some people have the same ideology as me.
Wikipedia people deserve the TRUTH! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.40.41.202 ( talk • contribs) 15:25, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Sweetie1986 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.40.41.202 ( talk • contribs) 15:26, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
REPLYING----------
You are completely oblivious to the truth, RoboRanks. Especially your nonsencial beliefs that I have time to get MULTIPLE usernames (Why waste my time?), perhaps you are just feeling a bit blown out of the water that people don't believe in what you are trying to implement into their brains.
If you want TO show the Somalis, you should SHOW the whole concepts without biased. You might be Somali, but perhaps in the lower secular divison of Somalis. About the E3, do you KNOW all people are connected? I've also resorted in telling you that Fulani are UNKNOWN, they migrated to Senegal (by the way, not ALL people that are from Senegal or West Africans are Funali). They could have come from Ethiopia and mixed with them, but do not come here and tell me West Africans and Somalis are connected because that is farfetched.
Does it hurt you to actually THINK and acknowledge that Africans can be different?
About the Ancient Egyptian thing, it is a KNOWN fact that we Somalis especially those from Puntland are DIRECT decendants of them. I might not know what Somali you are but I know my lineage from all the way to year 590.
Futhermore, if someone WRITES something you do not like there you are erasing it even if they have sources.
Why not ADD the Somalis being KILLED and their ORGANS in South Africa and being sold in the black market? Do you know how many Ethiopians and Somalis have been VICTIM in South Africa? Being killed, raped and beaten for being different?
Why aren't there nice pictures on here? WHAT HAPPEN TO 1960s- 1990 XAMAR? how about Bosasso?
I want this to continue LOCKED! It should stay NEUTRAL, not BIASED!
Maybe you want this article to be like "Black Hawk Down" movie where they took NON-Somalis and planted them as Somalis. But I want MY PEOPLE to be seen for what they are, unique and beautiful humans who make mistakes.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.40.41.202 ( talk • contribs) 02:13, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Shotwell: What I want, he doesn't. Therefore I want this section locked on top of that, why is he allowed to do what he wants, but I am not?
Shotwell: Link to Somalis and Egyptians [12]
{{{The Origin Of The Egyptian People The ancient Egyptians traced their origin to the land they called ‘Punt’ or ‘Ta- Neteru’ (Land Of Gods). According to the scholars of Egyptian history these area encompasses Eritrea, Ethiopian Highlands and Somalia.}}}
[Username:Sweetie1986] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.40.41.202 ( talk • contribs) 02:20, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
---Replying---
I have not dehumanized anyone, but in this discrimination headline you stated, that other Africans were jealous of Somalis for their savvy business skills (OTHER AFRICANS isn't that a GENERALIZATION?). You are a complete hypocrite, who wants to control this page and if someone bring something to the table your emotions get the way of it.
Speaking about the news, there are BIASES in the news and apparently you are doing well reporting nonsencial information by belittling Somalis.
Don't call me Abaayo, I want nothing to do with someone who has hatred for themselves and their people. I don't know about you but I know about my lineages, and there is no lies about it.
I never asked for graphic pictures to be shown, I say they should be included (as in the text) in the discrimination headline. You can show one side of the story and compeletely dismiss the others. Is that what you call NEURTAL?
For the genetic similarities have you noticed that all Somalis have the same appearance wise you can tell one from a mile away. But for the Tutsi and the Fulani they don't have same "look" and there is a small population of them. This has no relevancy what so ever, I have brown eyes so does that mean everyone that has brown eyes is someway connected to me? I personally believe you want all Africans to be the same, but that is not possible. Somalis are not apart of the negroid race (why does it hurt you to write that?).
About Xamar, I meant PICTURES of the people at that time. There is a picture of Mad Mullah on here with his horse in the genetics divison (what does the Mad Mullah have to do with genetics?), and by the isn't the Mad Mullah a scope into Somali history?
HYPOCRISY AT ITS BEST!
[Sweetie1986] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.72.2.96 ( talk • contribs) 17:55-19:46, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I have not dehumanized anyone,
but in this discrimination headline you stated, that other Africans were jealous of Somalis for their savvy business skills (OTHER AFRICANS isn't that a GENERALIZATION?). You are a complete hypocrite, who wants to control this page and if someone bring something to the table your emotions get the way of it.
Don't call me Abaayo, I want nothing to do with someone who has hatred for themselves and their people. I don't know about you but I know about my lineages, and there is no lies about it.
For the genetic similarities have you noticed that all Somalis have the same appearance wise you can tell one from a mile away. But for the Tutsi and the Fulani they don't have same "look" and there is a small population of them. This has no relevancy what so ever, I have brown eyes so does that mean everyone that has brown eyes is someway connected to me? I personally believe you want all Africans to be the same, but that is not possible. Somalis are not apart of the negroid race (why does it hurt you to write that?).
I never asked for graphic pictures to be shown, I say they should be included (as in the text) in the discrimination headline. You can show one side of the story and compeletely dismiss the others. Is that what you call NEURTAL?
About Xamar, I meant PICTURES of the people at that time. There is a picture of Mad Mullah on here, isn't that a scope of Somali history?
You must suffer from bipolar disorder. Why are you even talking about Qabiil for? Since you like being madow so much, I advise you to go to your hooyo and tell her you are marrying one, I’d really like to see how that would go, and your whole explanation on how madows and Somalis have the same E3 connection (LOL). I am realistic, while you live in a Utopian society full of flowers, and people holding hands. In order to shows Somalis you have to show the spectrums, the good and the bad. You are making others the victim, while we (Somalis) are the perpetrators of all that is bad. If South Africans came to live in Somalia would we have taken their organs, because they were doing better than us business wise? No.
Of course not all Somalis look like Iman (6’0 tall, skinny and a supermodel LOL), but we have all a distinct appearance, and do not tell me we don’t. Because I can tell a Somali a mile away, and I know you can so stop trying to act like I am bewildering you and filling your mind with nonsense.
You think the term Negro or Bantu is racist, it isn’t. And if it were there wouldn’t be PAGES dedicated to that on Wikipedia, you just don’t like those terms because of your own will.
Well Melanin has nothing to do with race, and eye color doesn’t also. I am willing to compromise, but it must stay neutral. With both the bad and good being seen, by the way why do you have dad fool xun on the pages (LOL)?
[Username:Sweetie1986] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.40.41.202 ( talk • contribs) 23:18, 26 November - 15:05, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
this is nice,Shotwell no editwars for me and Sweetie the reason why i want to start a seperate article on the Somali diaspora is because there are many communities i want to adress but if i do it on the Somali people page it might be to much and it might consume the whole page,also please state in wich order you would like to see these images so we have a clear view on your side also me and Shotwell are planning to add info to these images so you might change your opinion about them bye RoboRanks 11:19, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
You might want to skinny down the page by making a separate page for "Somali popular culture" -- which would include authors, musicians, and media (radio/TV) personalities. -- Petercorless 00:03, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Once again, someone keeps coming in and inflating the Somali figures to 22 million. I'll keep deflating that until someone can cite a sourced figure. Not wanting to be too harsh, but this has been endemic for a while now. -- Petercorless
It might be important to note the available figures of language speakers. These ethnographic figures (what people speak) are different than ethnicities (what genes you have), but could be cited as an example between linguistic affiliation as Somali speakers and those of ethnic descent. The information is based on census figures which may be out of date compared to the recent diaspora. Perhaps some mention can be made to the Somali language page, too:
Ethnologue Report
-- Petercorless 14:19, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I really don't care which image is used. It can be Image:SomalipeopleSawir.jpg, Image:Somalis1234.JPG or Image:Somalis123.JPG. But what I would like to see is something like the picture used on English people which can be seen at Image:English-people.JPG. In other words who are the people in the pictures? CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 05:25, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
This turned out to be harder than I thought. After going through everybody in Category:Somali people and the subcategories I have a few comments. Some of the images in the collages above are not free use. Some are copyright or fair use and may not be usable here. While trying to find usable pictures I did not search through the histroy of any article to see if the picture had been changed so I probably missed several. After reviewing the images attached to articles I removed the copyright and fair-use images. Next I cut out the imgaes that had usable tags but were obviously not tagged correctly (scanned book image claimed as uploader creation). Also cut out were images uploaded by editors that have had multiple images delted for tagging problems.
So I was left with the following:
The first two are on Wikipedia and the rest are from the commons. I've looked as some of the other collages used in "people" articles and for the most part they tend to be made up of well known people. I would prefer a mixture of people both well know and the ordinary. I would like to see 8 images used to make up the collage and my choice here would be, 12, 13, 10, 9, 5, 8, 2 and 1. However, they must be more pictures about and I might change my mind on seeing them, with the exception of image 12. I think the look on the face of the woman is incredible. By the way the only picture of which I am 100% sure that we can use without any problem is 13. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 15:15, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
What do you mean how could someone have claimed to be the creator of an Ahmed gurey image?? i have different shots of the statue in question in my possession from before the civil war, second about the image Image:SomalipeopleSawir.jpg i'm currently contacting the copyright owners from the sites i got it from and when i have permission i will re-insert it, just keep the image box empty like many other ethnicy articles untill i have everything fixed there's no need to come with unflattering images of a naked woman and her child or warlords the only feeling i and many others visiting this site get is people wanting to paint an ugly and backwards view of us, i hope i'm wrong about this RoboRanks 22:31, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
CBW we aren't a minority in our country that comparison of Inuits is off, if there was a article about minorities from Somalia it would be on target. You yourself gave the English people as an example on how the image box should look like so tell me where in that image do you see a regular person? where in the following people's pages do you see regular people?
German people, Norwegian people, Greeks, Swedish people, Turkish people, French people, Italian people, Spanish people.
Saying in every country there are bad or good doesn't cutt it, a image box with the following important personalities; Rageh Omaar, Waris Dirie, Yasmin Warsame and K'naan with their names below the image is much better
We can do well with the pictures of the wellknown Somalis we have on the current Somali people picture and the other one RoboRanks has. We don't need warlords or a naked woman on display with warlords too.
And you can't find a picture of Ahmed Gurey, and the statue was made a while ago in Mogadishu. Since Robo says he took it, its his work. FAH1223 05:40, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{ Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 21:09, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
the idea of somali's being eurasian is a lie. We are full black african .its like saying a chinese person is not chinese.that is very racist of the people to put that down .and its not for ALL somalis ok .aight —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cherria ( talk • contribs) 21:51, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Could someone please explain what the caption has to do with the image in the infobox? Corvus cornix 18:52, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
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There is not 200,000 Somalians in Caanda; there are 25,000 (here is the link: http://216.239.51.104/search link
Yeah, there are only about 25,000 in Canada. Also, it says at the top there are 100,000 nationally, but then it says there are 200,000 in Toronto ALONE! I live in Toronto, I know for a fact that is not true. Plus the number's don't jive. I'm taking a zero off of that number. 99.234.23.2 ( talk) 09:00, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
(Cross-posted to WP:AN/I) In the Somali people article, 86.149.253.205 ( talk · contribs) was repeatedly removing the "Prophet" honorific from Muhammad's name and changing "Somali diaspora" to "Somali infection" ( [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19]). The former is actually a legitimate edit as per WP:MOSISLAM. The latter edit is vandalism and the IP (based in the UK) has since been blocked for 24 hours. Subsequently, 140.112.29.207 ( talk · contribs) (based in Taiwan) made the same edit with a vengefully-worded edit summary ( [20]). I blocked the new IP address, but I am planning on protecting the article if this continues. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 14:14, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Why is Italian put as a language of the Somali people at the same level as the indigenous Somali language? While it may have some importance for the Southern Somalis, it has little influence on the rest of the ethnicity. If Italian is put, you may as well put Arabic, English, and even French (Djibouti) on that list as well. I am taking it off, if it's okay.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.235.43.195 ( talk • contribs) 05:12, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
I've removed the following from the "Somali diaspora" section:
In Canada, Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa, Hamilton, Vancouver, Edmonton and Calgary have the largest Somali populations. [1]
If the cited reference gives Somali population in individual Canadian cities, I am unable to find it. We need a more specific URL (if, indeed, it exists) or we need to cite a better source. In the meantime, editors have been adding cities to this statement, to the point where it has become meaningless, because this includes Canada's biggest cities (in which immigrant populations are typically higher). Which city has the highest population, and what is the specific source for this information? -- Gyrofrog (talk) 13:19, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
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While Banadirs and Bantus are Somalians, they are not Somali, which is the subject of this article. Thus I've removed the information. I'm also wondering about the info currently presented in the "Genetic evidence" section; see my comments at Talk:Horn of Africa. I'm also not sure about Waaq being a "cow god" (or perhaps this Waaq is different from the deity traditionally worshipped by the Oromo). And as the article could use more attention I've added the {{ attention}} template. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 21:31, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
Maybe I should edit my picture I put up? I have a Bantu Somali man on it and the two boys are Banadirs. But the Benadir have been in Somalia for centuries and at times, you can't tell the difference between them and of a normal somali. The Bantu did come from southern Africa though... -- FAH1223 16:19, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
The map is really out-of-date; see Image talk:Somali map.jpg for details. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 04:26, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
Attempted replacement by user Eastafrica institute ( talk · contribs)
Compare the 2002 image to the map which was attempted to be added recently to the Somali people article. The national borders were off, and the terms Rahanweyn and Ishaak were entirely missing. I reverted the changes made to the page, but I wanted to leave a note here for watchers to be wary of other attempts to replace it. If it is being replaced, I believe someone should submit their proposed change for peer review, especially if it constitutes original research. I do not believe that this "2005" map is based on the CIA's work. -- Petercorless 17:00, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Also look at the images listed at User talk:Sanaagian near the bottom. They were also all fakes similar to the above. 07:29, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
I have removed some text from the article, as it strongly appeared to have been copied from the following sources (or from other copies thereof).
-- Gyrofrog (talk) 05:22, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
Currently, the article states that Somalis make up seventy-five percent of the population of Somalia, yet at another point it says eighty-five percent. I believe a previous version of this article said ninety-seven percent. I'm not sure how this number could be calculated at all, seeing how there hasn't been a census in Somalia in years. But it would be nice to stick with one figure where this article is concerned. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 07:16, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
Someone had added Issa to the list of Somali clans and I inadvertently removed it during a revert of some misinformation. Is this the same as Isaaq, which is already listed, or is the similarity in spelling a coincidence? At any rate Issa is a disambig page which points to this article (actually it pointed to the "Somali" disambig page until this article was created). -- Gyrofrog (talk) 07:16, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
The article states that somalis were the first africans to convert to islam, "...long before north africans did...". Since both Egyptians and Berbers (Tunisia, Algeria and Morroco) had all converted within a century of the death of the Prophet Mohammed, It seems that the conversion of the Somali people was very early indeed, from a point of view of the history of the Islamic world. When did this conversion exactly happen? This should be stated in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.112.128.230 ( talk • contribs) 04:08, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
" Unlike the neighboring Amhara who appear to have arrived at a later date to the region, the Somali people arrived are believed to have moved into the Zeila region by at least 750 CE and then expanded into all of what is today Somalia by displacing the Oromo."
This phrase is ambiguous. Is it refering to the Amhara presence in the Horn in general or Somalia in particular? If the latter, then it is unnecessary and should be removed. If the former, then it is in correct, as the Amhara are the descendants of the Agazyan and are thought to have begun to separate from Tigrignya speakers as early as the 400's AD (though ethnic denominations were solely based on linguistic differences). I am removing the first part of the sentence. Yom 06:46, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
"Education remains an important consideration for most Somalis, but, according to the CIA Factbook, only about 37.8% of the country is believed to be literate."
This isn't really needed...it is more of a SOMALIA problem, not one of Somalis...
While a problem in somalia, the literacy rate of somalis abroad (which is a large proportion) have much higher literacy rates...this is the country's problem...
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Rotten777 ( talk • contribs) 02:43, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I find that the genetics summary should be removed. Not only is it offensive to me, because I am part Somali-and to say that were are not black is pure BS. Then what the hell are we? Surely no damn European,Persian, or even middle-eastern. Somalis are black! Clean it up, or I will vote for this to be removed.
Cococanelle 15:42, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Someone just altered the entry on the genetics tonight. Anyone want to sort this out? -- Petercorless 06:26, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
The somalis are more caucasian than negroid(bantu) . The somalis have very black skin but their skull shape are like europaens and semetic people. Also their genetics are 15 % euroasian and only 5 % negroid( bantu), the rest 80 % are east african( cushitic) like the oromos and the ancient people of the Kush empire (not the nubians) and the ancient egyptians. To say that the somalis are negroid like the bantus and black americans because they have black skin ,are the same as to say that the chinese people are europaens because they have white skin.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.52.34.107 ( talk • contribs) 15:04, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
We are indigenous Africans who are related to other groups in the Horn of Africa and we are known as Elongated africans so I would appreciate it if that fact was kept in the article. RoboRanks [ 05:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC) ]
(cur) (last) 00:16, 25 November 2006 Sweetie1986 (Talk | contribs | block) (→Indiginous) (undo)
It's very sad what's happening to my people in South africa but let's make one thing clear there is a difference between highlighting the fact that native rival shop keepers are hiring gangsters to attack Somali Entrepreneurs because of their success and trying to paint a picture of other africans simply attacking Somalis because of their different facial features that's a fallacy and the fact that native south africans have started patroll systems where they protect somali shop keepers and the giving of local names as protection is proof of that
so please keep this semi-racist nonsense about other africans targeting somalis based on their looks out of the article cause it's nonsense
RoboRanks [ 05:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC) ]
the use of words like south african suffer from inferiority complex is quite sinister if you ask me and shouldn't be added in the page
the admin should do something about the complete deleting of new sections i've worked hard on
RoboRanks 01:21, 19 November 2006 (UTC) RoboRanks
[user 68.40.41.202 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
KEEP EDITING IT, I WON'T STOP UNTIL!!! YOU HAVE THIS DEEP ROOTED ISSUE. WE DON'T LIKE ADOONS LIKE YOU!
^^this is what he wrote in the article
it's quite clear that this person is not fit to edit the somali page
he uses it to dehumanize other groups instead of trying to inform the public about the somali people and he paints a bad image of my people
so something needs to be done about this vandalisme
RoboRanks 02:09, 19 November 2006 (UTC)RoboRanks
Whoa... this is quite the edit war. You both need to refrain from reverting immediately. RoboRanks, I can understand your frustration here. Can you please explain this dispute to me? shotwell 02:54, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I see that the edit war has been taken care of, but I'll try to research the topic to figure this all out. shotwell 03:01, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
shotwell i want you to take a look at these 3 edits
Somalis also face various discriminations. In the West, there is a huge Islamaphobic attitude towards Muslims in general. Plus, Somalis also face discriminations from Bantu Africans for their business savvy skills and looking different an example of this is the violence against Somalis in South Africa.| [1]
There have been increasing violence against Somalis, in South Africa since July of 2006. A reported 300 Somalis have been killed, many in the Somali community believe this has to do with racism [11]. There have been also attacks on Somalis from African Americans in Minnesota high schools since the mid 90s. This has become evident to Somalis that it has to do with the fact that Somalis are not from the negroid race, and are different in appearance to the likes of black Africans and African-Americans
^^these were the edits of Sweetie1986 ( talk · contribs) who also goes under various IP names
my take on these edits..
Racisme happens in every society( Including the Somali society) but in the case of South africa it's not racisme but rather economic reasons that fuelled the attacks on somali entrepreneurs,
the part about African Americans is irrelevant and the fact that these situations also happen to other african immigrants case in point Nigerians & Ghanians [2] refutes the ridicilous claims that the motives are looks
now my version
Somalis also face various discriminations. In the West, there is a huge Islamaphobic attitude towards Muslims in general. Plus, Somalis also face discriminations from other Africans for their business savvy skills an example of this is the violence against Somalis in South Africa. [3]but it's interesting to note that the native South Africans in their local communities have formed street commitees and have started to patroll the streets especially the places that have Somali shops and on top of that Somali entrepreneurs have received Local names as protection [4] so it shows the violence projected at Somali entrepreneurs is mainly from rival native shop keepers.
as you can see in my version i simply added more information about the situation that's going on in South Africa and that's not against the rule
the person that keeps editing it doesn't come to the discussion page despite my advice to do so..
so something needs to be done about this.. RoboRanks 03:54, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
the phrase business savy skills doesn't have it's origin with me, i only added to the allready existing section of the article with info about South Africans starting patrolls and the giving of local names to Somali Entrepreneurs with a reliable source attached to it
the interesting to note phrase has it's origin with me and i wasn't aware of the avoid weasel words rule so i have no problems if that part is rephrased in the article
back to the South Africa issue as you can see from my other posts on this discussion page Zimbabweans faced the same treatment when they arrived as newcomers [5]
besides for economic reason( the losing of local jobs to foreigners) could these attacks be xenophobic in origin (as in different culture, different religion)?
yes they could...but xenophobic as in looks i don't think so and the fact that Zimbabweans who share the same phenotype as black South africans are attacked as well adds more proof of that.
In South Africa every year 18 000 people are murdered so it is a big problem that is going on there [6] and my people aren't the only ones going through a bad time
the African American issue again Somalis aren't the only ones who face this treatment [7]
is this added on the articles relating to Ghanians and Hausa's Yoruba's or Fulani's?? last time i checked it wasnt, so why should it be added on the Somali article?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by RoboRanks ( talk • contribs) 17:22, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Yom the last census was done in the late 80's since the 80's ethiopia went from around 50/60 million to 70+ it would impossible for Somalia wich was and is one of the fastest growing countries in the continent to only go from 7+ to 8 million+
the pop size in somalia itself should between 12/15 million
so i think the person that keeps changing the numbers has that in his mind RoboRanks 12:45, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Honestly i have no problems with the 15/16 number but how are you going to prevent the person with multiple IP's from changing it back to 22 million? as you can see from my earlier complaints on this talk page it's quite iritating when the person that keeps changing it doesn't visit the discussion page.
i've send a request for protection. RoboRanks 05:48, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Are these changes correct? -- Electric Eye ( talk) 02:25, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone else think this article suffers from having far too many images. Perhaps we could discuss which ones are very important to the article so we can remove extraneous images once the article is unprotected? shotwell 23:26, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Could you state which parts you think there should be a decrease?
also i could under the Galleries write interesting info about the individuals from the images and add more to the article itself RoboRanks 16:48, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
You completely change everything that has to do with Somalis for your own purpose. You erased that Somalis trace back to Ancient Egypt, that they are not apart of the negroid race (THEY AREN'T THEY ARE CUSHITIC as stated in the BEGINNING OF THE ARTICLE).
Secondly, the South Africans did target the Somalis because of their looks. How should I know, because of RELIABLE RESOURCES WHICH I PUT and you DELETED! They also did that to the Indians.
You erase everything and anything that shows the depth and reality of what we Somalis go through on a daily basis in Bantu countries. Bantu is not an offensive term that is what they are, another word for Negroid. These are anthropological terms!
I suggest you open your eyes! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sweetie1986 ( talk • contribs) 00:27, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Sweetie1986 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.40.41.202 ( talk • contribs) 01:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Reply---- You are not Somali, it is CLEARER then water. You are trying to educate people, but yet you can't even spell "racism" and you FLOODED the Somali people page with unneccessary pictures (have you noticed none of the pictures even look remotely nice) and if someone posts pictures that are beautiful about Somalia, there you are ERASING it like crazy. What is your problem? This post is not neutral but biased, based on what you feel. If you owned Wikipedia I could understand it, BUT YOU DON'T!
Somalis were discriminated AGAINST because of their looks in South African (and many BANTU countries in Africa)their organs were taken out and sold (why not post that?). The truth should be told, not take one side of the story for your own sense of security.
Somalis and those of the horn are GENETICALLY different. If you were Somali you'd now that, and that they were different than the Fulani from Senegal and Northern Nigeria. On top of that their place of origin isn't even KNOWN. They could be migrates, even so they look NOTHING like Somalis or Ethiopians. I personally know someone who from the tribe of Fulani {and believe me that individual looks NOTHING like Iman (Somali model) }
By the way understand that I do not have multiple usernames, maybe just MAYBE some people have the same ideology as me.
Wikipedia people deserve the TRUTH! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.40.41.202 ( talk • contribs) 15:25, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Sweetie1986 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.40.41.202 ( talk • contribs) 15:26, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
REPLYING----------
You are completely oblivious to the truth, RoboRanks. Especially your nonsencial beliefs that I have time to get MULTIPLE usernames (Why waste my time?), perhaps you are just feeling a bit blown out of the water that people don't believe in what you are trying to implement into their brains.
If you want TO show the Somalis, you should SHOW the whole concepts without biased. You might be Somali, but perhaps in the lower secular divison of Somalis. About the E3, do you KNOW all people are connected? I've also resorted in telling you that Fulani are UNKNOWN, they migrated to Senegal (by the way, not ALL people that are from Senegal or West Africans are Funali). They could have come from Ethiopia and mixed with them, but do not come here and tell me West Africans and Somalis are connected because that is farfetched.
Does it hurt you to actually THINK and acknowledge that Africans can be different?
About the Ancient Egyptian thing, it is a KNOWN fact that we Somalis especially those from Puntland are DIRECT decendants of them. I might not know what Somali you are but I know my lineage from all the way to year 590.
Futhermore, if someone WRITES something you do not like there you are erasing it even if they have sources.
Why not ADD the Somalis being KILLED and their ORGANS in South Africa and being sold in the black market? Do you know how many Ethiopians and Somalis have been VICTIM in South Africa? Being killed, raped and beaten for being different?
Why aren't there nice pictures on here? WHAT HAPPEN TO 1960s- 1990 XAMAR? how about Bosasso?
I want this to continue LOCKED! It should stay NEUTRAL, not BIASED!
Maybe you want this article to be like "Black Hawk Down" movie where they took NON-Somalis and planted them as Somalis. But I want MY PEOPLE to be seen for what they are, unique and beautiful humans who make mistakes.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.40.41.202 ( talk • contribs) 02:13, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Shotwell: What I want, he doesn't. Therefore I want this section locked on top of that, why is he allowed to do what he wants, but I am not?
Shotwell: Link to Somalis and Egyptians [12]
{{{The Origin Of The Egyptian People The ancient Egyptians traced their origin to the land they called ‘Punt’ or ‘Ta- Neteru’ (Land Of Gods). According to the scholars of Egyptian history these area encompasses Eritrea, Ethiopian Highlands and Somalia.}}}
[Username:Sweetie1986] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.40.41.202 ( talk • contribs) 02:20, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
---Replying---
I have not dehumanized anyone, but in this discrimination headline you stated, that other Africans were jealous of Somalis for their savvy business skills (OTHER AFRICANS isn't that a GENERALIZATION?). You are a complete hypocrite, who wants to control this page and if someone bring something to the table your emotions get the way of it.
Speaking about the news, there are BIASES in the news and apparently you are doing well reporting nonsencial information by belittling Somalis.
Don't call me Abaayo, I want nothing to do with someone who has hatred for themselves and their people. I don't know about you but I know about my lineages, and there is no lies about it.
I never asked for graphic pictures to be shown, I say they should be included (as in the text) in the discrimination headline. You can show one side of the story and compeletely dismiss the others. Is that what you call NEURTAL?
For the genetic similarities have you noticed that all Somalis have the same appearance wise you can tell one from a mile away. But for the Tutsi and the Fulani they don't have same "look" and there is a small population of them. This has no relevancy what so ever, I have brown eyes so does that mean everyone that has brown eyes is someway connected to me? I personally believe you want all Africans to be the same, but that is not possible. Somalis are not apart of the negroid race (why does it hurt you to write that?).
About Xamar, I meant PICTURES of the people at that time. There is a picture of Mad Mullah on here with his horse in the genetics divison (what does the Mad Mullah have to do with genetics?), and by the isn't the Mad Mullah a scope into Somali history?
HYPOCRISY AT ITS BEST!
[Sweetie1986] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.72.2.96 ( talk • contribs) 17:55-19:46, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I have not dehumanized anyone,
but in this discrimination headline you stated, that other Africans were jealous of Somalis for their savvy business skills (OTHER AFRICANS isn't that a GENERALIZATION?). You are a complete hypocrite, who wants to control this page and if someone bring something to the table your emotions get the way of it.
Don't call me Abaayo, I want nothing to do with someone who has hatred for themselves and their people. I don't know about you but I know about my lineages, and there is no lies about it.
For the genetic similarities have you noticed that all Somalis have the same appearance wise you can tell one from a mile away. But for the Tutsi and the Fulani they don't have same "look" and there is a small population of them. This has no relevancy what so ever, I have brown eyes so does that mean everyone that has brown eyes is someway connected to me? I personally believe you want all Africans to be the same, but that is not possible. Somalis are not apart of the negroid race (why does it hurt you to write that?).
I never asked for graphic pictures to be shown, I say they should be included (as in the text) in the discrimination headline. You can show one side of the story and compeletely dismiss the others. Is that what you call NEURTAL?
About Xamar, I meant PICTURES of the people at that time. There is a picture of Mad Mullah on here, isn't that a scope of Somali history?
You must suffer from bipolar disorder. Why are you even talking about Qabiil for? Since you like being madow so much, I advise you to go to your hooyo and tell her you are marrying one, I’d really like to see how that would go, and your whole explanation on how madows and Somalis have the same E3 connection (LOL). I am realistic, while you live in a Utopian society full of flowers, and people holding hands. In order to shows Somalis you have to show the spectrums, the good and the bad. You are making others the victim, while we (Somalis) are the perpetrators of all that is bad. If South Africans came to live in Somalia would we have taken their organs, because they were doing better than us business wise? No.
Of course not all Somalis look like Iman (6’0 tall, skinny and a supermodel LOL), but we have all a distinct appearance, and do not tell me we don’t. Because I can tell a Somali a mile away, and I know you can so stop trying to act like I am bewildering you and filling your mind with nonsense.
You think the term Negro or Bantu is racist, it isn’t. And if it were there wouldn’t be PAGES dedicated to that on Wikipedia, you just don’t like those terms because of your own will.
Well Melanin has nothing to do with race, and eye color doesn’t also. I am willing to compromise, but it must stay neutral. With both the bad and good being seen, by the way why do you have dad fool xun on the pages (LOL)?
[Username:Sweetie1986] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.40.41.202 ( talk • contribs) 23:18, 26 November - 15:05, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
this is nice,Shotwell no editwars for me and Sweetie the reason why i want to start a seperate article on the Somali diaspora is because there are many communities i want to adress but if i do it on the Somali people page it might be to much and it might consume the whole page,also please state in wich order you would like to see these images so we have a clear view on your side also me and Shotwell are planning to add info to these images so you might change your opinion about them bye RoboRanks 11:19, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
You might want to skinny down the page by making a separate page for "Somali popular culture" -- which would include authors, musicians, and media (radio/TV) personalities. -- Petercorless 00:03, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Once again, someone keeps coming in and inflating the Somali figures to 22 million. I'll keep deflating that until someone can cite a sourced figure. Not wanting to be too harsh, but this has been endemic for a while now. -- Petercorless
It might be important to note the available figures of language speakers. These ethnographic figures (what people speak) are different than ethnicities (what genes you have), but could be cited as an example between linguistic affiliation as Somali speakers and those of ethnic descent. The information is based on census figures which may be out of date compared to the recent diaspora. Perhaps some mention can be made to the Somali language page, too:
Ethnologue Report
-- Petercorless 14:19, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I really don't care which image is used. It can be Image:SomalipeopleSawir.jpg, Image:Somalis1234.JPG or Image:Somalis123.JPG. But what I would like to see is something like the picture used on English people which can be seen at Image:English-people.JPG. In other words who are the people in the pictures? CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 05:25, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
This turned out to be harder than I thought. After going through everybody in Category:Somali people and the subcategories I have a few comments. Some of the images in the collages above are not free use. Some are copyright or fair use and may not be usable here. While trying to find usable pictures I did not search through the histroy of any article to see if the picture had been changed so I probably missed several. After reviewing the images attached to articles I removed the copyright and fair-use images. Next I cut out the imgaes that had usable tags but were obviously not tagged correctly (scanned book image claimed as uploader creation). Also cut out were images uploaded by editors that have had multiple images delted for tagging problems.
So I was left with the following:
The first two are on Wikipedia and the rest are from the commons. I've looked as some of the other collages used in "people" articles and for the most part they tend to be made up of well known people. I would prefer a mixture of people both well know and the ordinary. I would like to see 8 images used to make up the collage and my choice here would be, 12, 13, 10, 9, 5, 8, 2 and 1. However, they must be more pictures about and I might change my mind on seeing them, with the exception of image 12. I think the look on the face of the woman is incredible. By the way the only picture of which I am 100% sure that we can use without any problem is 13. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 15:15, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
What do you mean how could someone have claimed to be the creator of an Ahmed gurey image?? i have different shots of the statue in question in my possession from before the civil war, second about the image Image:SomalipeopleSawir.jpg i'm currently contacting the copyright owners from the sites i got it from and when i have permission i will re-insert it, just keep the image box empty like many other ethnicy articles untill i have everything fixed there's no need to come with unflattering images of a naked woman and her child or warlords the only feeling i and many others visiting this site get is people wanting to paint an ugly and backwards view of us, i hope i'm wrong about this RoboRanks 22:31, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
CBW we aren't a minority in our country that comparison of Inuits is off, if there was a article about minorities from Somalia it would be on target. You yourself gave the English people as an example on how the image box should look like so tell me where in that image do you see a regular person? where in the following people's pages do you see regular people?
German people, Norwegian people, Greeks, Swedish people, Turkish people, French people, Italian people, Spanish people.
Saying in every country there are bad or good doesn't cutt it, a image box with the following important personalities; Rageh Omaar, Waris Dirie, Yasmin Warsame and K'naan with their names below the image is much better
We can do well with the pictures of the wellknown Somalis we have on the current Somali people picture and the other one RoboRanks has. We don't need warlords or a naked woman on display with warlords too.
And you can't find a picture of Ahmed Gurey, and the statue was made a while ago in Mogadishu. Since Robo says he took it, its his work. FAH1223 05:40, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{ Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 21:09, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
the idea of somali's being eurasian is a lie. We are full black african .its like saying a chinese person is not chinese.that is very racist of the people to put that down .and its not for ALL somalis ok .aight —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cherria ( talk • contribs) 21:51, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Could someone please explain what the caption has to do with the image in the infobox? Corvus cornix 18:52, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
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There is not 200,000 Somalians in Caanda; there are 25,000 (here is the link: http://216.239.51.104/search link
Yeah, there are only about 25,000 in Canada. Also, it says at the top there are 100,000 nationally, but then it says there are 200,000 in Toronto ALONE! I live in Toronto, I know for a fact that is not true. Plus the number's don't jive. I'm taking a zero off of that number. 99.234.23.2 ( talk) 09:00, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
(Cross-posted to WP:AN/I) In the Somali people article, 86.149.253.205 ( talk · contribs) was repeatedly removing the "Prophet" honorific from Muhammad's name and changing "Somali diaspora" to "Somali infection" ( [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19]). The former is actually a legitimate edit as per WP:MOSISLAM. The latter edit is vandalism and the IP (based in the UK) has since been blocked for 24 hours. Subsequently, 140.112.29.207 ( talk · contribs) (based in Taiwan) made the same edit with a vengefully-worded edit summary ( [20]). I blocked the new IP address, but I am planning on protecting the article if this continues. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 14:14, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Why is Italian put as a language of the Somali people at the same level as the indigenous Somali language? While it may have some importance for the Southern Somalis, it has little influence on the rest of the ethnicity. If Italian is put, you may as well put Arabic, English, and even French (Djibouti) on that list as well. I am taking it off, if it's okay.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.235.43.195 ( talk • contribs) 05:12, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
I've removed the following from the "Somali diaspora" section:
In Canada, Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa, Hamilton, Vancouver, Edmonton and Calgary have the largest Somali populations. [1]
If the cited reference gives Somali population in individual Canadian cities, I am unable to find it. We need a more specific URL (if, indeed, it exists) or we need to cite a better source. In the meantime, editors have been adding cities to this statement, to the point where it has become meaningless, because this includes Canada's biggest cities (in which immigrant populations are typically higher). Which city has the highest population, and what is the specific source for this information? -- Gyrofrog (talk) 13:19, 1 August 2007 (UTC)