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From the article:
"The molinity unit is moles oof of solute per kg of solution. The formal is the same as the molal, but is used when it is not clear what a molecule of solute is, for instance metals and salts. It is one mole of the chemical formula per kilogram."
What on earth does this mean? "Molinity?" "Formal?" These definitions sound like utter gobbledegook to me. This needs clarification, and possibly some of this can be moved or copied to concentration too. -- FirstPrinciples 15:55, Sep 25, 2004 (UTC)
Dilbertesques aside, are there enough solution providers in the IT world to warrant mentioning that use of the word? Ojw 20:12, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Proposal: These three articles, Solution, Soluble, and Solvent, ought to be merged into one under the general article Solution, for they cover the same subject
A solvent is always a solvent insofar as it can be dissolved substances into solution. A substance is always soluble insofar as it can be dissolved into solution. These are the necessary definitions of these terms, they do not exist in chemistry outside of reference to solutions. - Centrx 15:22, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
and so repeat one another. Solvents and properties of solubility are intrinsically related to solutions: There cannot be a solution without a solvent and a solute that is soluble, the dissolution of which is described by properties of solubility; a solvent is a solvent only insofar as it dissolves a soluble solute into a solution according to properties of solubility; a substance is soluble only insofar is it is dissolvable by a solvent into a solution.
So, these words are tautological. Any possible rare topic that might not be appropriate for solution is more appropriate in articles like Chemical reaction or Acid-base reaction theories. - Centrx 14:25, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
The sections Boiling point and, less so, Density are both about general properties common to many chemical compounds with information that is about very general characteristics of high and low boiling points and densities.
Such information belongs in the articles boiling point and density, and the respective articles for the specific compounds. Despite the statement in the article to the contrary, for example, it is not a unique or "important" property of solvents that ones with low boiling point evaporate quickly at room temperature and ones with high boiling points require higher temperatures or air flow in order to evaporate more quickly.
The section on Chemical interactions belongs with the other information about solutions, and the sections on Safety and Properties table of common solvents clearly go in a section about organic solvents or in respective articles for specific compounds. Note also that some of the information I have here tagged as belong in solution is already in there, indicating its proper subject area and the redundancy in these articles. - Centrx 19:50, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
Don't merge. Vsmith 03:06, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
Hmm... don't know what happened to my previous post - edit comflict I guess. Anyway, I didn't go into any detail on my vote to not merge because I agreed with the arguements previously stated - and even better stated now. It seems a consensus has been reached to not merge. Given that, we should focus on improving the various articles rather than bluster on endlessly here. Vsmith 17:29, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
I have removed the merge notice for solution and solvent and have modified the merge notice for soluble to reflect the consensus. Ancheta Wis 15:07, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
I restructured the article and removed the duplications resulting from the big merger. Note that I am doing this more than four years after the big merger. We have a huge quality problem with articles covering fundamental topics like this one. If an article has become too long and too messy, it is increasingly hard to find editors who have the necessary self-confidence to clean up the old stuff. -- Marie Poise ( talk) 11:54, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
On this page (Solution) it is stated that:
But if one follows the link to colloids it says that colloids are a homogenous mixture:
Now, I am curious - what is correct? -- Anna.h.bauer 09:53, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Particle diameter | ||||
< 10-9 m | 10-9 - 10-6 m | > 10-6 m | ||
homogenous mixture | colloids | non-homogeneous mixtures |
<br.> <br.> <br.> <br.> <br.>
Hi, I know next to nothing about chemistry. This page says there's a difference between making a solution by weight and volume. I don't really understand it, but it seems like it should be added. Also, I guess people should make that distinction more often when they talk about solutions? Or are they somehow equivalent? OptimistBen ( talk) 02:35, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Something that should be added to the solution page is: what solutes dissolve when they are cooled and what solutes dissolve when they are warmed. =) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.119.150.157 ( talk) 19:04, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
This discussion is currently on the
Percentage solution page. I think would desierable to move that information onto the solution page.
Grayob (
talk) 14:00, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
The table Examples of Solutions presents examples of solutions where a gas is the solvent. This contradicts one of the definition of a solution given at the top of the page though perhaps it could be argued that some gasses mix homogenously. More important though is the incorrect examples given for Liquid in Gas and Solid in Gas. Water vapor simply isn't a liquid, it is a gas. Similarly if Naphthalene sublimes then it is no longer a solid, it has also become a gas. I suggest simply removing the liquid and solid entries in the gas row from the table. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grayob ( talk • contribs) 19:14, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm gonna go ahead and edit the main page to reflect this. I am also removing 'in any combination' from 'Many types of solutions exist, as solids, liquids and gases can be both solvent and solute, in any combination'.
I found another error in the Table. Aluminium is listed as an alloy which is incorect; it is an element. I will replace it with Bronze in the table. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grayob ( talk • contribs) 14:36, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
I will go ahead and admit I don't have much experience in chemistry, but while reading this article and comparing it with the relevant chapter in my chemistry book (Modern Chemistry by Holt, Rinehart, and Winston, published by Harcourt), I found some differences in the types of solutions. The following is the table from my textbook:
Solute state | Solvent state | Example |
Gas | Gas | Oxygen in nitrogen |
Gas | Liquid | Carbon dioxide in water |
Liquid | Gas | Water in air |
Liquid | Liquid | Alcohol in water |
Liquid | Solid | Mercury in silver and tin (dental amalgam) |
Solid | Liquid | Sugar in water |
Solid | Solid | Copper in nickel (Monel™ alloy) |
Holt, Rinehart, and Winston. Modern Chemistry. Austin, TX: Harcourt, 2005. 396. Print.
I'm aware that this table is incomplete, as far as hydrogen dissolving in solids for hydrogen storage, but I'm mainly referring to the row concerning liquid-in-gas solutions. Does water in a liquid phase really dissolve in air, or must it convert to the gaseous phase, water vapor, first? I'm inclined to say only water vapor truly dissolves in air, but, as I stated earlier, I don't have much experience with chemistry, and I may be incorrect. Could this be verified by someone?
Mego (
talk) 01:52, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
"Usually, the substance present in a greater amount is considered as the solvent. Solutions may have multiple solvents." Sentence 1 explains the word "solvent". Sentence 2 says: the word "solvent" may also be used in contradiction to sentence 1, but we won't give details. Is "multiple solvents" a received notion ? Most often it seems to be used with the meaning "different solvents in different solutions". Unless someone explains a less trivial use of "multiple solvents" I will delete sentence 2. -- Marie Poise ( talk) 21:10, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Logger9, please slow down ! While we are stuck at Talk:Liquid discussing how to accomodate your profilic writing in an encyclopedic context, you are messing up the next article. What has the "Types of bonding" to do with "Properties of Solution" ?
Later, you write "Petroleum is a mixture of molecules like the one illustrated in this slide." Is this a hint on where your texts come from ? Just copies from a class you taught ? Which you now cut into segments and paste into Wikipedia, whether fitting or not ?
Your old friend (irony, you need not to comment) -- Marie Poise ( talk) 19:59, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Please have a look at the page history and at the above discussion sections: This page is the result of merger. This explains why the contents is in part duplicate, in part contradictory. The article needs restructuring, elimination of redundancy, resolution of contradiction. This is certainly not the best moment for mass insertion of new material of doubtful relevance. -- Marie Poise ( talk) 07:52, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
544 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.51.15.47 ( talk) 15:22, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Isn't "composed of only one phase" redundant? That's part of the definition of homogeneous mixture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.11.147.16 ( talk) 20:02, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
The word "solution" has several common meanings in the English language, and not all of them are related to chemistry. This article's title would be less confusing if it were called Solution (chemistry), so that Solution could be a disambiguation page instead. Jarble ( talk) 01:36, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
Other language Wikis supporting this move (→ Google translations):
— wbm1058 ( talk) 11:12, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
The information isnt totally correct. A solution in which Water is the solvent is called a AQUEOUS SOLUTION not ELECTROLYTES. Alextheplate ( talk) 16:56, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
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In the introduction, the aqueous solution sentence interrupts the explanation of what a solution is. Could you move aqueous solutions to the end of the introduction, after "percentage of the mass of the whole solution"? Thank you. 208.95.51.53 ( talk) 14:38, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Currently it is known that 10% of the population living in Addiss Abeba own car and the rest 90% do not. Based upon past experience, 5% of owners will become non-owners and 10%of the non-owners will become owners. Set up the state vector and the transition matrix. What will be the proportion of owners and non-owners after two years? Determine the long run share of the car owners and non-owners if the transition matrix holds the same. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.55.83.51 ( talk) 15:15, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
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I want to be able to add content, or fix a typo, and even others should be able to do that without logging in. 24.38.126.151 ( talk) 14:38, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
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add "solutes will not percipitate out over time" as a clarification on the "must be stable" bullet on the page (please correct any grammar mistakes i may have made, english is not my first language) Κωστας τριαριδης ( talk) 12:55, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
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1. I need to expand it in the characteristics section to distinguish it from other types of mixtures (which can be a separate section). 2. Try to change the types of section to prose form as much as possible, as it is convenient for readers to read. 3. For the first solid in a liquid solution, the explanation of steel needs to be clarified (if possible, I will add some references). 4. In terms of solubility, there are also two areas that need clarification.5. If necessary, I will add and provide some appropriate references in the article. Xiang Li(Gary) ( talk) 03:01, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
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From the article:
"The molinity unit is moles oof of solute per kg of solution. The formal is the same as the molal, but is used when it is not clear what a molecule of solute is, for instance metals and salts. It is one mole of the chemical formula per kilogram."
What on earth does this mean? "Molinity?" "Formal?" These definitions sound like utter gobbledegook to me. This needs clarification, and possibly some of this can be moved or copied to concentration too. -- FirstPrinciples 15:55, Sep 25, 2004 (UTC)
Dilbertesques aside, are there enough solution providers in the IT world to warrant mentioning that use of the word? Ojw 20:12, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Proposal: These three articles, Solution, Soluble, and Solvent, ought to be merged into one under the general article Solution, for they cover the same subject
A solvent is always a solvent insofar as it can be dissolved substances into solution. A substance is always soluble insofar as it can be dissolved into solution. These are the necessary definitions of these terms, they do not exist in chemistry outside of reference to solutions. - Centrx 15:22, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
and so repeat one another. Solvents and properties of solubility are intrinsically related to solutions: There cannot be a solution without a solvent and a solute that is soluble, the dissolution of which is described by properties of solubility; a solvent is a solvent only insofar as it dissolves a soluble solute into a solution according to properties of solubility; a substance is soluble only insofar is it is dissolvable by a solvent into a solution.
So, these words are tautological. Any possible rare topic that might not be appropriate for solution is more appropriate in articles like Chemical reaction or Acid-base reaction theories. - Centrx 14:25, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
The sections Boiling point and, less so, Density are both about general properties common to many chemical compounds with information that is about very general characteristics of high and low boiling points and densities.
Such information belongs in the articles boiling point and density, and the respective articles for the specific compounds. Despite the statement in the article to the contrary, for example, it is not a unique or "important" property of solvents that ones with low boiling point evaporate quickly at room temperature and ones with high boiling points require higher temperatures or air flow in order to evaporate more quickly.
The section on Chemical interactions belongs with the other information about solutions, and the sections on Safety and Properties table of common solvents clearly go in a section about organic solvents or in respective articles for specific compounds. Note also that some of the information I have here tagged as belong in solution is already in there, indicating its proper subject area and the redundancy in these articles. - Centrx 19:50, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
Don't merge. Vsmith 03:06, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
Hmm... don't know what happened to my previous post - edit comflict I guess. Anyway, I didn't go into any detail on my vote to not merge because I agreed with the arguements previously stated - and even better stated now. It seems a consensus has been reached to not merge. Given that, we should focus on improving the various articles rather than bluster on endlessly here. Vsmith 17:29, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
I have removed the merge notice for solution and solvent and have modified the merge notice for soluble to reflect the consensus. Ancheta Wis 15:07, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
I restructured the article and removed the duplications resulting from the big merger. Note that I am doing this more than four years after the big merger. We have a huge quality problem with articles covering fundamental topics like this one. If an article has become too long and too messy, it is increasingly hard to find editors who have the necessary self-confidence to clean up the old stuff. -- Marie Poise ( talk) 11:54, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
On this page (Solution) it is stated that:
But if one follows the link to colloids it says that colloids are a homogenous mixture:
Now, I am curious - what is correct? -- Anna.h.bauer 09:53, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Particle diameter | ||||
< 10-9 m | 10-9 - 10-6 m | > 10-6 m | ||
homogenous mixture | colloids | non-homogeneous mixtures |
<br.> <br.> <br.> <br.> <br.>
Hi, I know next to nothing about chemistry. This page says there's a difference between making a solution by weight and volume. I don't really understand it, but it seems like it should be added. Also, I guess people should make that distinction more often when they talk about solutions? Or are they somehow equivalent? OptimistBen ( talk) 02:35, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Something that should be added to the solution page is: what solutes dissolve when they are cooled and what solutes dissolve when they are warmed. =) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.119.150.157 ( talk) 19:04, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
This discussion is currently on the
Percentage solution page. I think would desierable to move that information onto the solution page.
Grayob (
talk) 14:00, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
The table Examples of Solutions presents examples of solutions where a gas is the solvent. This contradicts one of the definition of a solution given at the top of the page though perhaps it could be argued that some gasses mix homogenously. More important though is the incorrect examples given for Liquid in Gas and Solid in Gas. Water vapor simply isn't a liquid, it is a gas. Similarly if Naphthalene sublimes then it is no longer a solid, it has also become a gas. I suggest simply removing the liquid and solid entries in the gas row from the table. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grayob ( talk • contribs) 19:14, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm gonna go ahead and edit the main page to reflect this. I am also removing 'in any combination' from 'Many types of solutions exist, as solids, liquids and gases can be both solvent and solute, in any combination'.
I found another error in the Table. Aluminium is listed as an alloy which is incorect; it is an element. I will replace it with Bronze in the table. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grayob ( talk • contribs) 14:36, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
I will go ahead and admit I don't have much experience in chemistry, but while reading this article and comparing it with the relevant chapter in my chemistry book (Modern Chemistry by Holt, Rinehart, and Winston, published by Harcourt), I found some differences in the types of solutions. The following is the table from my textbook:
Solute state | Solvent state | Example |
Gas | Gas | Oxygen in nitrogen |
Gas | Liquid | Carbon dioxide in water |
Liquid | Gas | Water in air |
Liquid | Liquid | Alcohol in water |
Liquid | Solid | Mercury in silver and tin (dental amalgam) |
Solid | Liquid | Sugar in water |
Solid | Solid | Copper in nickel (Monel™ alloy) |
Holt, Rinehart, and Winston. Modern Chemistry. Austin, TX: Harcourt, 2005. 396. Print.
I'm aware that this table is incomplete, as far as hydrogen dissolving in solids for hydrogen storage, but I'm mainly referring to the row concerning liquid-in-gas solutions. Does water in a liquid phase really dissolve in air, or must it convert to the gaseous phase, water vapor, first? I'm inclined to say only water vapor truly dissolves in air, but, as I stated earlier, I don't have much experience with chemistry, and I may be incorrect. Could this be verified by someone?
Mego (
talk) 01:52, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
"Usually, the substance present in a greater amount is considered as the solvent. Solutions may have multiple solvents." Sentence 1 explains the word "solvent". Sentence 2 says: the word "solvent" may also be used in contradiction to sentence 1, but we won't give details. Is "multiple solvents" a received notion ? Most often it seems to be used with the meaning "different solvents in different solutions". Unless someone explains a less trivial use of "multiple solvents" I will delete sentence 2. -- Marie Poise ( talk) 21:10, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Logger9, please slow down ! While we are stuck at Talk:Liquid discussing how to accomodate your profilic writing in an encyclopedic context, you are messing up the next article. What has the "Types of bonding" to do with "Properties of Solution" ?
Later, you write "Petroleum is a mixture of molecules like the one illustrated in this slide." Is this a hint on where your texts come from ? Just copies from a class you taught ? Which you now cut into segments and paste into Wikipedia, whether fitting or not ?
Your old friend (irony, you need not to comment) -- Marie Poise ( talk) 19:59, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Please have a look at the page history and at the above discussion sections: This page is the result of merger. This explains why the contents is in part duplicate, in part contradictory. The article needs restructuring, elimination of redundancy, resolution of contradiction. This is certainly not the best moment for mass insertion of new material of doubtful relevance. -- Marie Poise ( talk) 07:52, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
544 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.51.15.47 ( talk) 15:22, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Isn't "composed of only one phase" redundant? That's part of the definition of homogeneous mixture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.11.147.16 ( talk) 20:02, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
The word "solution" has several common meanings in the English language, and not all of them are related to chemistry. This article's title would be less confusing if it were called Solution (chemistry), so that Solution could be a disambiguation page instead. Jarble ( talk) 01:36, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
Other language Wikis supporting this move (→ Google translations):
— wbm1058 ( talk) 11:12, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
The information isnt totally correct. A solution in which Water is the solvent is called a AQUEOUS SOLUTION not ELECTROLYTES. Alextheplate ( talk) 16:56, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
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In the introduction, the aqueous solution sentence interrupts the explanation of what a solution is. Could you move aqueous solutions to the end of the introduction, after "percentage of the mass of the whole solution"? Thank you. 208.95.51.53 ( talk) 14:38, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Currently it is known that 10% of the population living in Addiss Abeba own car and the rest 90% do not. Based upon past experience, 5% of owners will become non-owners and 10%of the non-owners will become owners. Set up the state vector and the transition matrix. What will be the proportion of owners and non-owners after two years? Determine the long run share of the car owners and non-owners if the transition matrix holds the same. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.55.83.51 ( talk) 15:15, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
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add "solutes will not percipitate out over time" as a clarification on the "must be stable" bullet on the page (please correct any grammar mistakes i may have made, english is not my first language) Κωστας τριαριδης ( talk) 12:55, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 8 January 2024 and 26 April 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Xiang Li(Gary) ( article contribs). Peer reviewers: Chemicalbonding.
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— Assignment last updated by GiaTran21 ( talk) 23:29, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
1. I need to expand it in the characteristics section to distinguish it from other types of mixtures (which can be a separate section). 2. Try to change the types of section to prose form as much as possible, as it is convenient for readers to read. 3. For the first solid in a liquid solution, the explanation of steel needs to be clarified (if possible, I will add some references). 4. In terms of solubility, there are also two areas that need clarification.5. If necessary, I will add and provide some appropriate references in the article. Xiang Li(Gary) ( talk) 03:01, 13 March 2024 (UTC)