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This user is repeatedly deleting content with references to reliable sources, while claiming that the content is "inflammatory" and "slanderous" although the contents are factual and well-sourced. For example, this person keeps deleting Ayelet Finkelstein's profession even though Ayelet has been a well-known pole dancer in Israel for over 10 years - she currently operates a studio in Jerusalem with some friends: https://www.jpolefitness.com/jpole-team Please do not repeat this deletion. Instead, discuss your issues here.
Stop being a Bardezcar prude
The whole World has already seen
F N Souza's Naikinn in the nude
No more hagiographic whitewash
Niz Goencar are already aware
Pro-Souza articles are totally hogwash
Be more ethnocentric
Dysfunctionality should not be promoted
Souza-Kohn family is too dysgenic
Original edits need to be restored in both articles ( Solomon Souza and F. N. Souza). Both articles contain correct, albeit harsh, factual information provided with multiple verified inline citations. The attacks against F N Souza's artworks by Goans in Mumbai, and complaints to the police against him in the 1940s, are a matter of public record. So is the deliberate ignoring of F N Souza's funeral in Sewri in 2002 - it was a final "F@#& You" from the Goan community in Mumbai.
Liselotte and FN were never married to each other, they were married to others throughout their open live-in relationship. (Describing the affair as a "common-law marriage" is also a lie because of the existing marriages with others.) F N Souza moved out from the London apartment he shared with his wife Maria Figueiredo and their daughter Shelley in 1955 (Maria was a Bamonn originally from Borda in Salcette) because of his extra-marital affair with Liselotte, but he and Maria didn't divorce till 1964 (so he could marry the 16-year-old Barbara Zinkant). Not sure what motivates Solomon Souza lying across various forms of media (Indian press, Israeli press, Chelsea football club website, social media like Facebook, etc.) about facts already known by the Goan public and students of Indian Art History.
Frederick Noronha (the confirmed user who requested vandalism of accurate information in both articles) is a Goan living in Bardez and so he can talk personally with Maria Aurora Couto (she lives in Bardez but is originally from Salcette). He can also read Victor Rangel-Ribeiro's 2019 biography of F N Souza, it also shows that Solomon Souza was lying repeatedly in the Indian press.
The above unsigned comments suggests that some personal dislikes/animosity/bitterness is the fuel which is leading to some nasty entries, and the Wikipedia should not be a home for such tendencies, in my view. Fredericknoronha ( talk) 22:13, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
There seems to be some vandalising and motivated comments being inserted into this page, possibly by persons (or those acting on behalf) of interested parties and their proxies. Please see what has gone into this and the FN Souza /info/en/?search=F._N._Souza page via some recent edits. Kindly take a suitable decision. Fredericknoronha ( talk) 13:57, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
For well over a year, the Solomon Souza page on Wikipedia has been loaded with nonsensical, unfair slanderous comments about the young British-Israeli-Goan artist, and more recently his mother, who was absurdly termed "lesbian." The facts that are being manipulated are plain:
1) Keren Souza-Cohn and her sisters are the daughters of Francis Newton Souza and Liselotte Cohn, and acknowledged as such by law and the the FN Souza estate.
2) It is absurd to term people "bastard" in their Wikipedia entry, and highly irrelevant to refer to their parents legal status. There is no point to it in this biography, especially.
3) Solomon Souza is a highly regarded muralist, whose latest work was witnessed and blessed by the President of Israel. It is nonsensical to refer to his art as "spray painting."
4) It is highly telling that the individual crusading to keep slandering this artist and his family remains anonymous, and keeps on posting (as above) ridiculous comments about North and South Goa, etc.
5) It is very well known that Solomon Souza's late uncle Patrick Souza was an inveterate falsifier who was involved in considerable criminality in the forging of his father's work - (this is just one link: https://www.dnaindia.com/lifestyle/salon-have-you-just-bought-a-fake-7539). If every aspect of Francis Newton Souza's long, complicated life is to be presented in full measure to the public, then this highly documented and deeply sordid episode will also be included. VMinGoa ( talk) 14:46, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
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This user is repeatedly deleting content with references to reliable sources, while claiming that the content is "inflammatory" and "slanderous" although the contents are factual and well-sourced. For example, this person keeps deleting Ayelet Finkelstein's profession even though Ayelet has been a well-known pole dancer in Israel for over 10 years - she currently operates a studio in Jerusalem with some friends: https://www.jpolefitness.com/jpole-team Please do not repeat this deletion. Instead, discuss your issues here.
Stop being a Bardezcar prude
The whole World has already seen
F N Souza's Naikinn in the nude
No more hagiographic whitewash
Niz Goencar are already aware
Pro-Souza articles are totally hogwash
Be more ethnocentric
Dysfunctionality should not be promoted
Souza-Kohn family is too dysgenic
Original edits need to be restored in both articles ( Solomon Souza and F. N. Souza). Both articles contain correct, albeit harsh, factual information provided with multiple verified inline citations. The attacks against F N Souza's artworks by Goans in Mumbai, and complaints to the police against him in the 1940s, are a matter of public record. So is the deliberate ignoring of F N Souza's funeral in Sewri in 2002 - it was a final "F@#& You" from the Goan community in Mumbai.
Liselotte and FN were never married to each other, they were married to others throughout their open live-in relationship. (Describing the affair as a "common-law marriage" is also a lie because of the existing marriages with others.) F N Souza moved out from the London apartment he shared with his wife Maria Figueiredo and their daughter Shelley in 1955 (Maria was a Bamonn originally from Borda in Salcette) because of his extra-marital affair with Liselotte, but he and Maria didn't divorce till 1964 (so he could marry the 16-year-old Barbara Zinkant). Not sure what motivates Solomon Souza lying across various forms of media (Indian press, Israeli press, Chelsea football club website, social media like Facebook, etc.) about facts already known by the Goan public and students of Indian Art History.
Frederick Noronha (the confirmed user who requested vandalism of accurate information in both articles) is a Goan living in Bardez and so he can talk personally with Maria Aurora Couto (she lives in Bardez but is originally from Salcette). He can also read Victor Rangel-Ribeiro's 2019 biography of F N Souza, it also shows that Solomon Souza was lying repeatedly in the Indian press.
The above unsigned comments suggests that some personal dislikes/animosity/bitterness is the fuel which is leading to some nasty entries, and the Wikipedia should not be a home for such tendencies, in my view. Fredericknoronha ( talk) 22:13, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
There seems to be some vandalising and motivated comments being inserted into this page, possibly by persons (or those acting on behalf) of interested parties and their proxies. Please see what has gone into this and the FN Souza /info/en/?search=F._N._Souza page via some recent edits. Kindly take a suitable decision. Fredericknoronha ( talk) 13:57, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
For well over a year, the Solomon Souza page on Wikipedia has been loaded with nonsensical, unfair slanderous comments about the young British-Israeli-Goan artist, and more recently his mother, who was absurdly termed "lesbian." The facts that are being manipulated are plain:
1) Keren Souza-Cohn and her sisters are the daughters of Francis Newton Souza and Liselotte Cohn, and acknowledged as such by law and the the FN Souza estate.
2) It is absurd to term people "bastard" in their Wikipedia entry, and highly irrelevant to refer to their parents legal status. There is no point to it in this biography, especially.
3) Solomon Souza is a highly regarded muralist, whose latest work was witnessed and blessed by the President of Israel. It is nonsensical to refer to his art as "spray painting."
4) It is highly telling that the individual crusading to keep slandering this artist and his family remains anonymous, and keeps on posting (as above) ridiculous comments about North and South Goa, etc.
5) It is very well known that Solomon Souza's late uncle Patrick Souza was an inveterate falsifier who was involved in considerable criminality in the forging of his father's work - (this is just one link: https://www.dnaindia.com/lifestyle/salon-have-you-just-bought-a-fake-7539). If every aspect of Francis Newton Souza's long, complicated life is to be presented in full measure to the public, then this highly documented and deeply sordid episode will also be included. VMinGoa ( talk) 14:46, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 16:52, 5 October 2022 (UTC)