Gentlemen, what about St. Patrick and the dedication of his cathedral? In addition, according to the saints' calendar upon Wikipedia, the Accession is a memorial instead of a solemnity.
Why is Corpus Christi dated on "Sunday after Holy Trinity"? Its article states "It occurs on the first Thursday following Trinity Sunday", which is the date I know as the official date. Some countries observe it on the next sunday. 83.236.10.146 19:48, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
I was told by an Eastern Catholic archpriest that only the Roman Church moves solomnities. Can anyone provide more detail about the rule concerning the moving of solmnities during Holy Week? FlyingOtter ( talk) 06:58, 14 March 2008 (UTC) 06:58, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
All reputable sources I have checked (Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology and Oxford Latin Dictionary, inter alia) give the "sol-" element as deriving from a (probably Oscan) word "sollus" (whole, entire), not the unrelated "solet" as currently shown; and the derivation of the "-emn-" element from annus is also widely regarded as speculative. Vilĉjo 17:43, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
The dates for the Solemnities of the Most Holy Body and Blood of Christ (Corpus Christi) (a Thursday, transferred to a Sunday in some areas) and of the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus (always a Friday) depend on the date for the Solemnity of the Resurrection of the Lord (Easter Sunday), a "movable feast." Unfortunately, they can occur as late (or later) than the Solemnities of the Nativity of Saint John the Baptist (ordinarily 24 June) and of Saints Peter and Paul, Apostles (ordinarily 29 June). So if two solemnities occur on one day, which is celebrated on that day, and which is transferred?
As best I can tell, this situation (with Corpus Christi in the United States and Saint John the Baptist on Sunday 24 June) last occurred in 1984 and will recur in 2057, both following Eastern on 22 April; this setup also leads to both the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus and Saints Peter and Paul on Friday 29 June.
Another scenario (next to occur in 2022) places both John the Baptist and Sacred Heart both on Friday 24 June.
The Church cannot celebrate both solemnities on one day, so how has the Church handled these possibilities in the past, and what rules govern them in the future? The Church presumably transfers one solemnity to an adjacent (most likely succeeding) day, but which is it?
- 72.198.24.151 ( talk) 02:21, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Note: No longer! It is now 2022 and the Feast of John the Baptist has been transferred to 23 June. There are probably a couple of good reasons for the less usual move earlier rather than later: (1) The eve of St, John's Day has always been strongly associated with it anyway; and (2) if moved to 25 June, it would displace the celebration of the Immaculate Heart of Mary (which generally takes place the day after the Feast of the Sacred Heart but which is not a solemnity), which would then also need to be transferred (or not celebrated). HighCrossRuff ( talk) 07:48, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
68.193.18.102 ( talk) 18:41, 22 January 2012 (UTC) 68.193.18.102 ( talk) 18:41, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
Saint Patrick's Day (17 March) is celebrated as a solemnity in Australia too. 61.14.99.142 ( talk) 07:26, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
In 1973 and 1984, there were 2 unusual occurrences which won't happen again until 2057. Does anybody have a calendar from either year? The occurrences are:
1. Corpus Christi fell on Thursday, June 21, which means that in the US, it would normally be transferred to Sunday, June 24. But that's the date of the Nativity of St. John the Baptist. Both are solemnities. Was Corpus Christi not transferred to Sunday in those years? Or, if it was transferred, then was St. John the Baptist transferred to Saturday, June 23 or to Monday, June 25? Or some other day?
2. The Sacred Heart of Jesus fell on Friday, June 29, the usual date of St. Peter and Paul. Both are solemnities. Was one of the solemnities transferred to Thursday, June 28 or Saturday, June 30? What about in places where St. Peter and Paul is a holy day of obligation? I read somewhere that St. Peter and Paul was transferred to Sunday, July 1, but I have no idea if that's accurate or not. Mitsguy2001 ( talk) 16:52, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
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Gentlemen, what about St. Patrick and the dedication of his cathedral? In addition, according to the saints' calendar upon Wikipedia, the Accession is a memorial instead of a solemnity.
Why is Corpus Christi dated on "Sunday after Holy Trinity"? Its article states "It occurs on the first Thursday following Trinity Sunday", which is the date I know as the official date. Some countries observe it on the next sunday. 83.236.10.146 19:48, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
I was told by an Eastern Catholic archpriest that only the Roman Church moves solomnities. Can anyone provide more detail about the rule concerning the moving of solmnities during Holy Week? FlyingOtter ( talk) 06:58, 14 March 2008 (UTC) 06:58, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
All reputable sources I have checked (Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology and Oxford Latin Dictionary, inter alia) give the "sol-" element as deriving from a (probably Oscan) word "sollus" (whole, entire), not the unrelated "solet" as currently shown; and the derivation of the "-emn-" element from annus is also widely regarded as speculative. Vilĉjo 17:43, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
The dates for the Solemnities of the Most Holy Body and Blood of Christ (Corpus Christi) (a Thursday, transferred to a Sunday in some areas) and of the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus (always a Friday) depend on the date for the Solemnity of the Resurrection of the Lord (Easter Sunday), a "movable feast." Unfortunately, they can occur as late (or later) than the Solemnities of the Nativity of Saint John the Baptist (ordinarily 24 June) and of Saints Peter and Paul, Apostles (ordinarily 29 June). So if two solemnities occur on one day, which is celebrated on that day, and which is transferred?
As best I can tell, this situation (with Corpus Christi in the United States and Saint John the Baptist on Sunday 24 June) last occurred in 1984 and will recur in 2057, both following Eastern on 22 April; this setup also leads to both the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus and Saints Peter and Paul on Friday 29 June.
Another scenario (next to occur in 2022) places both John the Baptist and Sacred Heart both on Friday 24 June.
The Church cannot celebrate both solemnities on one day, so how has the Church handled these possibilities in the past, and what rules govern them in the future? The Church presumably transfers one solemnity to an adjacent (most likely succeeding) day, but which is it?
- 72.198.24.151 ( talk) 02:21, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Note: No longer! It is now 2022 and the Feast of John the Baptist has been transferred to 23 June. There are probably a couple of good reasons for the less usual move earlier rather than later: (1) The eve of St, John's Day has always been strongly associated with it anyway; and (2) if moved to 25 June, it would displace the celebration of the Immaculate Heart of Mary (which generally takes place the day after the Feast of the Sacred Heart but which is not a solemnity), which would then also need to be transferred (or not celebrated). HighCrossRuff ( talk) 07:48, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
68.193.18.102 ( talk) 18:41, 22 January 2012 (UTC) 68.193.18.102 ( talk) 18:41, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
Saint Patrick's Day (17 March) is celebrated as a solemnity in Australia too. 61.14.99.142 ( talk) 07:26, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
In 1973 and 1984, there were 2 unusual occurrences which won't happen again until 2057. Does anybody have a calendar from either year? The occurrences are:
1. Corpus Christi fell on Thursday, June 21, which means that in the US, it would normally be transferred to Sunday, June 24. But that's the date of the Nativity of St. John the Baptist. Both are solemnities. Was Corpus Christi not transferred to Sunday in those years? Or, if it was transferred, then was St. John the Baptist transferred to Saturday, June 23 or to Monday, June 25? Or some other day?
2. The Sacred Heart of Jesus fell on Friday, June 29, the usual date of St. Peter and Paul. Both are solemnities. Was one of the solemnities transferred to Thursday, June 28 or Saturday, June 30? What about in places where St. Peter and Paul is a holy day of obligation? I read somewhere that St. Peter and Paul was transferred to Sunday, July 1, but I have no idea if that's accurate or not. Mitsguy2001 ( talk) 16:52, 12 April 2022 (UTC)