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Interesting how the People's Republic of China bases it's ears of wheat design it seems from the East German design; which at least seems inspired in it's more solid shape from the likes of the Oak Leaves that were so prevalent on Nazi designs like here. Thinking of such things makes me think we need a " Nazi heraldry" page, there is a lot that could go there certainly. 67.5.157.93 ( talk) 09:01, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
It has become a point of contention whether or not the emblem of Italy belongs in the gallery of this article. That is, whether or not it is an example of Socialist heraldry. I would argue that it is. From the list of typical features in Socialist heraldry we can easily pick out several.
Yes, more specifically olive and oak.
There is a single gear.
There is a red interwoven ribbon with the name of the country.
It is not red and gold, but we have a white and red five-pointed star, the Stellone d'Italia, which is a symbol of Italy.
Conversely, we can ask if there is anything in the emblem that is at odds with including it in this article. I don't see anything.
The question of whether or not Italy has been a Communist or Socialist doesn't seem to be relevant, as we can as a parallel find many examples of republics with regal elements to their coats of arms. This is after all an article about heraldry, not about type of government. -- Nidator T / C 19:58, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
I would like to remind people that there is no checklist for what is or isn't socialist heraldry, so it is only a distraction to argue about what is or isn't included in the emblem. I would like to also note that "socialist heraldry" is a common term and not meant to be specifically limited to socialist states, as is evident by the communist states included. It is also referred to as "communist heraldry", though less frequently given the decline of communism. The term applies to the style and reason of the emblem, not the political philosophy of the government that adopts it. I would say, then, that the Italian emblem is in the socialist style, even though not a socialist state.
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Although it does not have the wreath thing like many other Communist-Socialist countries on it's emblem, it does have it's flag on the emblem, which features the socialist Red Star.
Is it worth including? 71.58.198.190 ( talk) 02:41, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
But it was a Marxist-Leninist country!
What, do you think the Red Star means Macy's or Heineken? 71.58.198.190 ( talk) 04:25, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
Is this because it's uncertain when each SSR adopted its emblem? Or did some of them continue to use the same emblem after 1991? (If the latter, why cut it off at 1991?) — Tamfang ( talk) 20:46, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
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Could the 1975 republican coat of arms of Malta be considered as socialist heraldry? From the list of typical features in Socialist heraldry there are the following:
This is the only Maltese coat of arms which did not feature a heraldic representation of the flag of Malta, and it was introduced during Mintoff's Labour government. The coat of arms was removed soon after the Nationalists won the 1987 election.
This article is overwhelmed with images of socialist emblems. This is not a gallery, this is an article about socialist heraldry, and it is no rally useful to have images of every single socialist emblem ever used. I think we should make an inclusion criteria for images of emblems in this article. I propose this inclusion criteria:
According to this proposition, we don't need to add emblems of unrecognized states like Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic and Luhansk People's Republic. We also do not need three emblems of Socialist Bulgaria ( [1] [2] [3]) because they are very similar, practically the same. I am going to remove some emblems according to this proposition. If someone has objections, or if someone has better proposition, please discuss it here. Vanjagenije (talk) 10:36, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
Both of Poland are not socialistic CoA's". What do Poland have to so with Cuba and Czechoslovakia? Vanjagenije (talk) 22:31, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
Please do correct me if I am wrong, but isn't every single one of these crests from a communist government? If so, shouldn't it be considered "Communist Heraldry" specifically? Socialism is a very wide umbrella, and lumping socialism and communism together is a bit disingenuous. I don't remember ever seeing this motif ever being used by anything other than statist communism, starting with the Stalinist influenced Soviet Union right before Lenin's death. JanderVK ( talk) 18:11, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Since this article focuses on sovereign states, could the Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic and the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic count because the two republics were just separate members of the United Nations apart from the Soviet Union unless were talking a debate on the " Soviet Union and the United Nations" article here. 108.162.176.163 ( talk) 03:53, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
I think it is the most non-typical. It is in the same style as Vietnamese though.-- Reciprocist ( talk) 12:00, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
This one:
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/a/af)1928s.gif
-- Reciprocist ( talk) 12:05, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
It's a bit of a quibble, but North Korea has renounced Marxism-Leninism in favour of their derivative militaristic-socialist ideology Juche. I have relocated the NK emblem to the 'non-Marxist-Leninist' section to reflect this. Fouriels ( talk) 12:10, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
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I don't see how the emblem of Guinea-Bissau counts as an example of socialist heraldry. It fullfills at most three of the 10 characteristics listed in the article:
1. It has a five-pointed star on it. The star is a common motif in all sorts of heraldry and the black five-pointed star is a pan-african symbol, not a socialist one.
2. It has a wreath-like arrangement of domesticated plants (olive branches). Olive branches are also common in all forms of heraldry where they represent peace, not plenty. This is exemplified by the fact that there are no olives on the branches, meaning that the olive branches are not seen as a source of food, but rather as a symbol.
3. It has a ribbon with the national motto. This is also a very common motif on heraldry used as a way to convey a motto or other important words.
Here's the kicker though: all of these things can be found on the Great Seal of the United States. The five pointed star, the olive branch, and the ribbon. No one would claim that the US seal is an example of socialist heraldry, so why is the emblem of Guinea-Bussau considered as such?-- 88.131.71.181 ( talk) 13:23, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
Somebody recently added a section for socialist heraldry of territorial entities within nations and added the CoA of Gagauzia in Moldova, are we fine with having such a section? If so i have a few CoA's to add! Vif12vf/Tiberius ( talk) 13:23, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
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The current emblem of Afghanistan is strongly inspired in socialist heraldry, even tho the current ideology of the regime isn't socialist. The emblem incorporates plenty of characteristics of the typical socialist emblem, such as:
It incorporates wreaths of grain.
It incorporates those wreaths surrounded by white ribbons, which is currently the national color of Afghanistan.
It incorporates a sun upon the Quran.
It incorporates a gear on the bottom of the emblem.
The Quran is on top.
The two sabers below the gear.
I don't know why did it got removed, when it ′′′is′′′ an actual socialist emblem. Of course the Taliban is not socialist, but here we are not to discuss if the government is socialistic or not. Countries like Uzbekistan, Angola or North Macedonia are not socialist anymore, yet their emblems get featured. Why would Afghanistan not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alejandro Basombrio ( talk • contribs) 16:47, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
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Why is it here? WikiAfterWiki ( talk) 22:59, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
Their seals look quite socialist. Their first president (Philibert Tsiranana) was a social democrat so there is a potential connection
Braganza ( talk) 22:25, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Should we add some parties which incorporated heraldic elements in their logos?
Braganza ( talk) 14:51, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
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Interesting how the People's Republic of China bases it's ears of wheat design it seems from the East German design; which at least seems inspired in it's more solid shape from the likes of the Oak Leaves that were so prevalent on Nazi designs like here. Thinking of such things makes me think we need a " Nazi heraldry" page, there is a lot that could go there certainly. 67.5.157.93 ( talk) 09:01, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
It has become a point of contention whether or not the emblem of Italy belongs in the gallery of this article. That is, whether or not it is an example of Socialist heraldry. I would argue that it is. From the list of typical features in Socialist heraldry we can easily pick out several.
Yes, more specifically olive and oak.
There is a single gear.
There is a red interwoven ribbon with the name of the country.
It is not red and gold, but we have a white and red five-pointed star, the Stellone d'Italia, which is a symbol of Italy.
Conversely, we can ask if there is anything in the emblem that is at odds with including it in this article. I don't see anything.
The question of whether or not Italy has been a Communist or Socialist doesn't seem to be relevant, as we can as a parallel find many examples of republics with regal elements to their coats of arms. This is after all an article about heraldry, not about type of government. -- Nidator T / C 19:58, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
I would like to remind people that there is no checklist for what is or isn't socialist heraldry, so it is only a distraction to argue about what is or isn't included in the emblem. I would like to also note that "socialist heraldry" is a common term and not meant to be specifically limited to socialist states, as is evident by the communist states included. It is also referred to as "communist heraldry", though less frequently given the decline of communism. The term applies to the style and reason of the emblem, not the political philosophy of the government that adopts it. I would say, then, that the Italian emblem is in the socialist style, even though not a socialist state.
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Although it does not have the wreath thing like many other Communist-Socialist countries on it's emblem, it does have it's flag on the emblem, which features the socialist Red Star.
Is it worth including? 71.58.198.190 ( talk) 02:41, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
But it was a Marxist-Leninist country!
What, do you think the Red Star means Macy's or Heineken? 71.58.198.190 ( talk) 04:25, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
Is this because it's uncertain when each SSR adopted its emblem? Or did some of them continue to use the same emblem after 1991? (If the latter, why cut it off at 1991?) — Tamfang ( talk) 20:46, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
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Could the 1975 republican coat of arms of Malta be considered as socialist heraldry? From the list of typical features in Socialist heraldry there are the following:
This is the only Maltese coat of arms which did not feature a heraldic representation of the flag of Malta, and it was introduced during Mintoff's Labour government. The coat of arms was removed soon after the Nationalists won the 1987 election.
This article is overwhelmed with images of socialist emblems. This is not a gallery, this is an article about socialist heraldry, and it is no rally useful to have images of every single socialist emblem ever used. I think we should make an inclusion criteria for images of emblems in this article. I propose this inclusion criteria:
According to this proposition, we don't need to add emblems of unrecognized states like Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic and Luhansk People's Republic. We also do not need three emblems of Socialist Bulgaria ( [1] [2] [3]) because they are very similar, practically the same. I am going to remove some emblems according to this proposition. If someone has objections, or if someone has better proposition, please discuss it here. Vanjagenije (talk) 10:36, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
Both of Poland are not socialistic CoA's". What do Poland have to so with Cuba and Czechoslovakia? Vanjagenije (talk) 22:31, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
Please do correct me if I am wrong, but isn't every single one of these crests from a communist government? If so, shouldn't it be considered "Communist Heraldry" specifically? Socialism is a very wide umbrella, and lumping socialism and communism together is a bit disingenuous. I don't remember ever seeing this motif ever being used by anything other than statist communism, starting with the Stalinist influenced Soviet Union right before Lenin's death. JanderVK ( talk) 18:11, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Since this article focuses on sovereign states, could the Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic and the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic count because the two republics were just separate members of the United Nations apart from the Soviet Union unless were talking a debate on the " Soviet Union and the United Nations" article here. 108.162.176.163 ( talk) 03:53, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
I think it is the most non-typical. It is in the same style as Vietnamese though.-- Reciprocist ( talk) 12:00, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
This one:
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/a/af)1928s.gif
-- Reciprocist ( talk) 12:05, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
It's a bit of a quibble, but North Korea has renounced Marxism-Leninism in favour of their derivative militaristic-socialist ideology Juche. I have relocated the NK emblem to the 'non-Marxist-Leninist' section to reflect this. Fouriels ( talk) 12:10, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
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I don't see how the emblem of Guinea-Bissau counts as an example of socialist heraldry. It fullfills at most three of the 10 characteristics listed in the article:
1. It has a five-pointed star on it. The star is a common motif in all sorts of heraldry and the black five-pointed star is a pan-african symbol, not a socialist one.
2. It has a wreath-like arrangement of domesticated plants (olive branches). Olive branches are also common in all forms of heraldry where they represent peace, not plenty. This is exemplified by the fact that there are no olives on the branches, meaning that the olive branches are not seen as a source of food, but rather as a symbol.
3. It has a ribbon with the national motto. This is also a very common motif on heraldry used as a way to convey a motto or other important words.
Here's the kicker though: all of these things can be found on the Great Seal of the United States. The five pointed star, the olive branch, and the ribbon. No one would claim that the US seal is an example of socialist heraldry, so why is the emblem of Guinea-Bussau considered as such?-- 88.131.71.181 ( talk) 13:23, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
Somebody recently added a section for socialist heraldry of territorial entities within nations and added the CoA of Gagauzia in Moldova, are we fine with having such a section? If so i have a few CoA's to add! Vif12vf/Tiberius ( talk) 13:23, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
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The current emblem of Afghanistan is strongly inspired in socialist heraldry, even tho the current ideology of the regime isn't socialist. The emblem incorporates plenty of characteristics of the typical socialist emblem, such as:
It incorporates wreaths of grain.
It incorporates those wreaths surrounded by white ribbons, which is currently the national color of Afghanistan.
It incorporates a sun upon the Quran.
It incorporates a gear on the bottom of the emblem.
The Quran is on top.
The two sabers below the gear.
I don't know why did it got removed, when it ′′′is′′′ an actual socialist emblem. Of course the Taliban is not socialist, but here we are not to discuss if the government is socialistic or not. Countries like Uzbekistan, Angola or North Macedonia are not socialist anymore, yet their emblems get featured. Why would Afghanistan not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alejandro Basombrio ( talk • contribs) 16:47, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
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Why is it here? WikiAfterWiki ( talk) 22:59, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
Their seals look quite socialist. Their first president (Philibert Tsiranana) was a social democrat so there is a potential connection
Braganza ( talk) 22:25, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Should we add some parties which incorporated heraldic elements in their logos?
Braganza ( talk) 14:51, 13 March 2024 (UTC)