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I would like to point out that this article makes no mention of Tibet where a great number of snow leopards live. It does not mention the Tibetan name for a snow leopard. By calling Tibet China you create confusion- and it is introducing politics into a wild life subject. 86.140.234.246 ( talk) 09:03, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
I don't see Tibet in the Range Country table, either- did someone remove it? Tibet's been a separate place for hundreds of years. Tibet is Tibet. Why isn't it listed? TBH that's the area I think of when I hear the term "snow leopard." Just curious. Tabbycatlove ( talk) 20:35, 22 February 2017 (UTC) Tabbycatlove ( talk) 20:35, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
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Given the range of the Snow Leopard (Himalayas primarily), it seems unlikely Ossetia would use it in its emblem . The more so since the Caucasian/Persian leopard is endemic to the Ossetia region (located in the Caucasus). (Its depiction in the coat of arms is also closer to a Persian Leopard rather than a Snow Leopard)
Not being an expert of the region however, would make sense someone verifies and corrects this?
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While to a ignorant person a snow leopard and a leopard (Panthera pardus) may seem like same species but different subspecies, they are in fact not and snow leopard is a misnomer. I understand that ounces are called snow leopards mainly because their coat colors are similar to the coat colors of a leopard.
Snow leopards and leopards are not the same species. Calling them snow leopard promotes the thinking that snow leopards are biologically closer to leopards than they actually are. In fact, leopards are more related to lions than to snow leopards!
Therefore I strongly recommend that the title of this article "Snow leopard" be renamed to "Ounce".I suggest creating a redirect link "ounce" that leads to this article.
Ounce is a nickname? Words have the meaning to which we assign them to!
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In 2015, The Adams Morgan Writing Group published DC Je t'aime: A Short Story Collection that features an escaped snow leopard as a running theme through all of its stories. Robertkmoore40 ( talk) 13:39, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
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In the first paragraph, the last sentence currently says: "As of 2016, estimates for the size of the global population vary from at least 4,080 to about 8,700 individuals.[3]"
This is misleading. A global population estimate that quotes these numbers was indeed published (see source), but it is not based on peer-reviewed data, and it's validity is disputed by a significant number of experts. See e.g. [1] for details.
I suggest therefore to add the following sentence to the paragraph: "However, there is currently no peer-reviewed assessment of the global population that is widely accepted by experts in the field."
For context only: The question of population size is at the core of a larger dispute about the snow leopard's Red List status. Later this month, the IUCN is expected to change the status from Endangered to Vulnerable, which is again being met by some experts with praise, and by others with opposition. See [2] for example.
Once this change becomes official, the Wikipedia page will need to be edited accordingly. It's critical that both sides of the debate be given adequate and fair consideration.
Disclosure: I work for Snow Leopard Trust, one of the organizations disputing the claims of a higher population. MatthiasFi ( talk) 11:20, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
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"In 2013, government leaders and officials from all 12 countries encompassing the snow leopard's range (Afghanistan, Bhutan, China, India, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyz Republic, Mongolia, Pakistan, Russia, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan) came together at the Global Snow Leopard Forum (GSLF) initiated by the President Almazbek Atambayev of the Kyrgyz Republic, and the State Agency on Environmental Protection and Forestry under the government of the Kyrgyz Republic." to "In 2013, government leaders and officials from all 12 countries encompassing the snow leopard's range (Afghanistan, Bhutan, China, India, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyz Republic, Mongolia, Nepal, Pakistan, Russia, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan) came together at the Global Snow Leopard Forum (GSLF) initiated by the President Almazbek Atambayev of the Kyrgyz Republic, and the State Agency on Environmental Protection and Forestry under the government of the Kyrgyz Republic." BibekRajShrestha ( talk) 14:48, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
The last line of the first paragraph of this article says that "As of 2016, the global population was estimated at 4,678 to 8,745 mature individuals.[1][3]"
These numbers do not correspond with the numbers in the sources that are provided.
Source [1] in the article ( [1]), in fact states that the number of mature individuals was between 2,710-3,386.
The second source provided, which is a book, rather than a peer-reviewed publication, does not mention the category of "mature individuals" at all, and is therefore not relevant to the numbers provided.
The paragraph also omits the fact that a wide range of population estimates currently exist, and that there is an ongoing dispute in the scientific community as to their respective validity.
For instance, the Global Snow Leopard & Ecosystem Protection Program (GSLEP), in which all snow leopard range countries are represented, estimates the population to be at 3,920 - 6,390 individuals. Source: [2]
It is requested that the last line of the paragraph be changed as follows:
"As of 2016, the global population was estimated at 2,710 to 3,386 mature individuals.[1]"
If deemed necessary by the editors, additional information can be added to reflect the fact that there are various, widely different population estimates (as pointed out in source [1] above, but not mentioned in the article, and to further point out that these are all "guesstimates at best", as stated in the Snow Leopard Survival Strategy ( [3]), MatthiasFi ( talk) 02:25, 11 March 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MatthiasFi ( talk • contribs) 13:10, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
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Discussion of range is incomplete. According to the map, the snow leopard ranges into China, including the regions of Xinjiang Uigur, Inner Mongolia, and, apparently, Gansu. Tibet is mentioned, but that should more correctly be recast as China, specifically, Xizang Zizhiqu region. 2601:589:4B00:7AB:3D5F:87F6:3435:67EC ( talk) 02:33, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
I'm unable to locate a citation to confirm:
"Since 2008, it is considered a member of the genus Panthera based on results of genetic studies."
McCarthy and Chapron state in 2003 that it is considered Pantherinae citing articles from 1978 and refer to it as Uncia uncia. See, page 13:
They then later cite articles referring to panthera uncia. First, on page 61 and notably a reference is made to Blomqvist, L. 1978 which refers to the species as panthera uncia.
Furthermore, the wiki article includes an image showing snow leopard as a member of panthera in 2006. The phylogeny section states that snow leopards were identified as related to tigers in 2006, which was confirmed in 2009. But there is no mention there either of 2008 or what would have motivated a move to genus Panthera in 2008.
I'm not sure what the authoritative body for genus placement is, but given the lack of citations, it appears to me that 2008 could be in error. Andwats ( talk) 04:03, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
As the article is protected, I suggest here to edit the beginning: Snow panther, often called snow leopard (though not leopard) or sometimes ounce... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nemohuman ( talk • contribs) 15:28, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
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203.175.78.174 ( talk) 07:09, 7 January 2021 (UTC) I want to make a few minor edits on the Snow leopard in Pakistan.
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This isn't a shabby article, and with some love (and elbow grease) could pass GAN, possibly even FAC. Granted, I'd suggest getting it peer-reviewed at some point. Happy editing, -- SilverTiger12 ( talk) 17:28, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
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The article should include ( in the section that informs of the snow leopard's behavior) the fact that the aforementioned creatures cannot roar, editing the end of this sentence: The snow leopard's vocalizations include meowing, grunting, prusten and moaning. It can purr when exhaling. [1] ExoplanetaryNova ( talk) 00:56, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
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Add the sentence:
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“ In the Karakoram, Tian Shan, Altai and Mongolia's Tost Mountains, its main prey consists of Siberian ibex, Thorold's deer (Cervus albirostris), Siberian roe deer (Capreolus pygargus) and argali.” Under the hunting and diet section.
Add the sentence: “Illegal trade in snow leopards (Panthera uncia) has been identified as one of the major threats to long-term survival of the species in the wild.” After the first sentence under the threats section. Pwalu2 ( talk) 00:36, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
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Yes. Drsruli ( talk) 15:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
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I would like to point out that this article makes no mention of Tibet where a great number of snow leopards live. It does not mention the Tibetan name for a snow leopard. By calling Tibet China you create confusion- and it is introducing politics into a wild life subject. 86.140.234.246 ( talk) 09:03, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
I don't see Tibet in the Range Country table, either- did someone remove it? Tibet's been a separate place for hundreds of years. Tibet is Tibet. Why isn't it listed? TBH that's the area I think of when I hear the term "snow leopard." Just curious. Tabbycatlove ( talk) 20:35, 22 February 2017 (UTC) Tabbycatlove ( talk) 20:35, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
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Given the range of the Snow Leopard (Himalayas primarily), it seems unlikely Ossetia would use it in its emblem . The more so since the Caucasian/Persian leopard is endemic to the Ossetia region (located in the Caucasus). (Its depiction in the coat of arms is also closer to a Persian Leopard rather than a Snow Leopard)
Not being an expert of the region however, would make sense someone verifies and corrects this?
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While to a ignorant person a snow leopard and a leopard (Panthera pardus) may seem like same species but different subspecies, they are in fact not and snow leopard is a misnomer. I understand that ounces are called snow leopards mainly because their coat colors are similar to the coat colors of a leopard.
Snow leopards and leopards are not the same species. Calling them snow leopard promotes the thinking that snow leopards are biologically closer to leopards than they actually are. In fact, leopards are more related to lions than to snow leopards!
Therefore I strongly recommend that the title of this article "Snow leopard" be renamed to "Ounce".I suggest creating a redirect link "ounce" that leads to this article.
Ounce is a nickname? Words have the meaning to which we assign them to!
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In 2015, The Adams Morgan Writing Group published DC Je t'aime: A Short Story Collection that features an escaped snow leopard as a running theme through all of its stories. Robertkmoore40 ( talk) 13:39, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
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In the first paragraph, the last sentence currently says: "As of 2016, estimates for the size of the global population vary from at least 4,080 to about 8,700 individuals.[3]"
This is misleading. A global population estimate that quotes these numbers was indeed published (see source), but it is not based on peer-reviewed data, and it's validity is disputed by a significant number of experts. See e.g. [1] for details.
I suggest therefore to add the following sentence to the paragraph: "However, there is currently no peer-reviewed assessment of the global population that is widely accepted by experts in the field."
For context only: The question of population size is at the core of a larger dispute about the snow leopard's Red List status. Later this month, the IUCN is expected to change the status from Endangered to Vulnerable, which is again being met by some experts with praise, and by others with opposition. See [2] for example.
Once this change becomes official, the Wikipedia page will need to be edited accordingly. It's critical that both sides of the debate be given adequate and fair consideration.
Disclosure: I work for Snow Leopard Trust, one of the organizations disputing the claims of a higher population. MatthiasFi ( talk) 11:20, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
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"In 2013, government leaders and officials from all 12 countries encompassing the snow leopard's range (Afghanistan, Bhutan, China, India, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyz Republic, Mongolia, Pakistan, Russia, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan) came together at the Global Snow Leopard Forum (GSLF) initiated by the President Almazbek Atambayev of the Kyrgyz Republic, and the State Agency on Environmental Protection and Forestry under the government of the Kyrgyz Republic." to "In 2013, government leaders and officials from all 12 countries encompassing the snow leopard's range (Afghanistan, Bhutan, China, India, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyz Republic, Mongolia, Nepal, Pakistan, Russia, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan) came together at the Global Snow Leopard Forum (GSLF) initiated by the President Almazbek Atambayev of the Kyrgyz Republic, and the State Agency on Environmental Protection and Forestry under the government of the Kyrgyz Republic." BibekRajShrestha ( talk) 14:48, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
The last line of the first paragraph of this article says that "As of 2016, the global population was estimated at 4,678 to 8,745 mature individuals.[1][3]"
These numbers do not correspond with the numbers in the sources that are provided.
Source [1] in the article ( [1]), in fact states that the number of mature individuals was between 2,710-3,386.
The second source provided, which is a book, rather than a peer-reviewed publication, does not mention the category of "mature individuals" at all, and is therefore not relevant to the numbers provided.
The paragraph also omits the fact that a wide range of population estimates currently exist, and that there is an ongoing dispute in the scientific community as to their respective validity.
For instance, the Global Snow Leopard & Ecosystem Protection Program (GSLEP), in which all snow leopard range countries are represented, estimates the population to be at 3,920 - 6,390 individuals. Source: [2]
It is requested that the last line of the paragraph be changed as follows:
"As of 2016, the global population was estimated at 2,710 to 3,386 mature individuals.[1]"
If deemed necessary by the editors, additional information can be added to reflect the fact that there are various, widely different population estimates (as pointed out in source [1] above, but not mentioned in the article, and to further point out that these are all "guesstimates at best", as stated in the Snow Leopard Survival Strategy ( [3]), MatthiasFi ( talk) 02:25, 11 March 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MatthiasFi ( talk • contribs) 13:10, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
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Discussion of range is incomplete. According to the map, the snow leopard ranges into China, including the regions of Xinjiang Uigur, Inner Mongolia, and, apparently, Gansu. Tibet is mentioned, but that should more correctly be recast as China, specifically, Xizang Zizhiqu region. 2601:589:4B00:7AB:3D5F:87F6:3435:67EC ( talk) 02:33, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
I'm unable to locate a citation to confirm:
"Since 2008, it is considered a member of the genus Panthera based on results of genetic studies."
McCarthy and Chapron state in 2003 that it is considered Pantherinae citing articles from 1978 and refer to it as Uncia uncia. See, page 13:
They then later cite articles referring to panthera uncia. First, on page 61 and notably a reference is made to Blomqvist, L. 1978 which refers to the species as panthera uncia.
Furthermore, the wiki article includes an image showing snow leopard as a member of panthera in 2006. The phylogeny section states that snow leopards were identified as related to tigers in 2006, which was confirmed in 2009. But there is no mention there either of 2008 or what would have motivated a move to genus Panthera in 2008.
I'm not sure what the authoritative body for genus placement is, but given the lack of citations, it appears to me that 2008 could be in error. Andwats ( talk) 04:03, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
As the article is protected, I suggest here to edit the beginning: Snow panther, often called snow leopard (though not leopard) or sometimes ounce... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nemohuman ( talk • contribs) 15:28, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
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203.175.78.174 ( talk) 07:09, 7 January 2021 (UTC) I want to make a few minor edits on the Snow leopard in Pakistan.
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Major concerns:
Minor concerns:
Possibly expand:
This isn't a shabby article, and with some love (and elbow grease) could pass GAN, possibly even FAC. Granted, I'd suggest getting it peer-reviewed at some point. Happy editing, -- SilverTiger12 ( talk) 17:28, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
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The article should include ( in the section that informs of the snow leopard's behavior) the fact that the aforementioned creatures cannot roar, editing the end of this sentence: The snow leopard's vocalizations include meowing, grunting, prusten and moaning. It can purr when exhaling. [1] ExoplanetaryNova ( talk) 00:56, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
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Add the sentence:
“Heavy predation on domestic livestock appeared to be the likely cause of conflict with the local inhabitants.” After this sentence:
“ In the Karakoram, Tian Shan, Altai and Mongolia's Tost Mountains, its main prey consists of Siberian ibex, Thorold's deer (Cervus albirostris), Siberian roe deer (Capreolus pygargus) and argali.” Under the hunting and diet section.
Add the sentence: “Illegal trade in snow leopards (Panthera uncia) has been identified as one of the major threats to long-term survival of the species in the wild.” After the first sentence under the threats section. Pwalu2 ( talk) 00:36, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
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This should cover criteria 1. 141 Pr { contribs} 17:50, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
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These are all more general suggestions, originally listed at another editor's request as some pre-GAN/FAC work, so it isn't precise as the usual GAN nitpicks. -- SilverTiger12 ( talk) 15:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
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