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The picture listed with this article is in fact Snatch 1, not its replacement. You can tell by the front and rear sidelights and indicators, among other things —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.72.157.154 ( talk) 13:37, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
I have move this anon contribution to the talk (copy edited and wikilinks added) Here it is in history: [1]
My experience:
I was in a snatch under heavy fire and can sing its praises combating the penitration of 7.62 soviet however RPG-7s make a right mess of its thin armour
It cant be left in the article as in the article as it counts as "original research". But if someone can find a quotable source for it it would be interesting if one could be found. Billlion ( talk) 10:33, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
This page seems to have been "googlewashed". It is no longer in any way accessible via the google search engine - the search for "snatch land rover" takes you directly to Land Rover Defender. However, the snatch entry is still top of the list on yahoo.
10 November - Service seems to have been restored.
-- 92.9.65.222 ( talk) 17:21, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Regular readers of this page will have seen it grow from a small "stub" now to a major entry. As author of the additions, with the permission of the "Wiki" community, I intend to continue expanding this to tell the whole story - as far as I know it - of the "Snatch" drama, which covers an important and interesting period in the history of the British Army, with significant political ramifications.
If, in so doing, I breach some "wiki" conventions, I apologise in advance and ask that I be allowed to develop the story on this page, without major modifications to it - deferring any decision as to whether to break up the page until the work is substantially complete. I will add references progressively, so that the work is fully supported.
My thanks also to those who have corrected errors and typos.
My name is Richard North and I can be contacted directly by e-mail on RAENORTH at aol.com
-- 92.11.58.94 ( talk) 13:27, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
10 November 2008
-- 92.11.58.94 ( talk) 21:59, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
I've opened an account and will continue posting with that "handle". Many thanks to all those who have improved the copy and corrected the typos, etc.
-- Defence of the Realm ( talk) 14:42, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
I'd suggest that instead of trying to describe 38 fatalities by attempting to give each incident a unique introduction phrase, which is confusing and difficult to scan through, it was standardised, and put in list form? i.e.
It might also be helpful to split Iraq and Afghanistan into separate lists in their own subsections. Hohum ( talk) 03:47, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
[outdented] I think it's very difficult to form a coherent narrative with around 25 successive events, and as you saidm you seem to be getting that with the later sections. It's still rather impenetrable to read as a block listing though, so my suggestion wasn't that great. Perhaps break it up by year? i.e.
Hohum ( talk) 20:02, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Brilliant! That's much better!
-- Defence of the Realm ( talk) 00:59, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
As this page develops, it occurs that it is not about the Snatch Land Rover, per se but more about the Snatch Land Rover controversy. This goes much wider than a dissertation about a military vehicle.
The "Snatch" has come to symbolise the ill-preparedness of the British Army and the Government for counter-insurgency warfare in Iraq, and then Afghanistan, and as such has acquired an iconic status. It also represents the failures of the military and political establishments rapidly to adapt to changing circumstances of the the wars, and protect troops from unnecessary risk.
A suggestion, therefore: that this page is renamed (The) "Snatch Land Rover controversy" (or the entire contents transferred to another page with that heading - whatever is technically most appropriate). Then whatever becomes the "Snatch Land Rover" page is trimmed right back to deal with just the technical description of the vehicle, with prominent links to the "controversy" page.
-- Defence of the Realm ( talk) 02:14, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
This article has come to resemble a personal essay with a significant degree of personal opinion and rather a lot of synthesis.
It needs a critical culling of material to restore some balance and rid the article of only tangentially relevant material.
ALR ( talk) 23:48, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
[outdented] Click the following red link and start writing the new page ;) Snatch Land Rover controversy (typo in Billlion's link corrected). Although starting an article isn't really ownership of it, it is still useful. Hohum ( talk) 19:07, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
In the absence of any activity I'm going to cull quite a lot of this article, in the interests of allowing the opportunity for an unbalanced rant article to be created I'll move the current article to this placeholder in the meantime.
ALR ( talk) 12:26, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
The article says 'formally described as the Truck Utility Medium (TUM) with Vehicle Protection Kit (VPK).' I'm sure though that the VPK was the predecessor to the Snatch, which is a different vehicle? It's obvious that the Snatch is a composite armoured vehicle from the ground up, not a converted standard Defender. I'll change this to 'successor to the Truck Utility Medium (TUM) with Vehicle Protection Kit (VPK)' unless there are objections. -- Wranadu2 ( talk) 17:59, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
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The picture listed with this article is in fact Snatch 1, not its replacement. You can tell by the front and rear sidelights and indicators, among other things —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.72.157.154 ( talk) 13:37, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
I have move this anon contribution to the talk (copy edited and wikilinks added) Here it is in history: [1]
My experience:
I was in a snatch under heavy fire and can sing its praises combating the penitration of 7.62 soviet however RPG-7s make a right mess of its thin armour
It cant be left in the article as in the article as it counts as "original research". But if someone can find a quotable source for it it would be interesting if one could be found. Billlion ( talk) 10:33, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
This page seems to have been "googlewashed". It is no longer in any way accessible via the google search engine - the search for "snatch land rover" takes you directly to Land Rover Defender. However, the snatch entry is still top of the list on yahoo.
10 November - Service seems to have been restored.
-- 92.9.65.222 ( talk) 17:21, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Regular readers of this page will have seen it grow from a small "stub" now to a major entry. As author of the additions, with the permission of the "Wiki" community, I intend to continue expanding this to tell the whole story - as far as I know it - of the "Snatch" drama, which covers an important and interesting period in the history of the British Army, with significant political ramifications.
If, in so doing, I breach some "wiki" conventions, I apologise in advance and ask that I be allowed to develop the story on this page, without major modifications to it - deferring any decision as to whether to break up the page until the work is substantially complete. I will add references progressively, so that the work is fully supported.
My thanks also to those who have corrected errors and typos.
My name is Richard North and I can be contacted directly by e-mail on RAENORTH at aol.com
-- 92.11.58.94 ( talk) 13:27, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
10 November 2008
-- 92.11.58.94 ( talk) 21:59, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
I've opened an account and will continue posting with that "handle". Many thanks to all those who have improved the copy and corrected the typos, etc.
-- Defence of the Realm ( talk) 14:42, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
I'd suggest that instead of trying to describe 38 fatalities by attempting to give each incident a unique introduction phrase, which is confusing and difficult to scan through, it was standardised, and put in list form? i.e.
It might also be helpful to split Iraq and Afghanistan into separate lists in their own subsections. Hohum ( talk) 03:47, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
[outdented] I think it's very difficult to form a coherent narrative with around 25 successive events, and as you saidm you seem to be getting that with the later sections. It's still rather impenetrable to read as a block listing though, so my suggestion wasn't that great. Perhaps break it up by year? i.e.
Hohum ( talk) 20:02, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Brilliant! That's much better!
-- Defence of the Realm ( talk) 00:59, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
As this page develops, it occurs that it is not about the Snatch Land Rover, per se but more about the Snatch Land Rover controversy. This goes much wider than a dissertation about a military vehicle.
The "Snatch" has come to symbolise the ill-preparedness of the British Army and the Government for counter-insurgency warfare in Iraq, and then Afghanistan, and as such has acquired an iconic status. It also represents the failures of the military and political establishments rapidly to adapt to changing circumstances of the the wars, and protect troops from unnecessary risk.
A suggestion, therefore: that this page is renamed (The) "Snatch Land Rover controversy" (or the entire contents transferred to another page with that heading - whatever is technically most appropriate). Then whatever becomes the "Snatch Land Rover" page is trimmed right back to deal with just the technical description of the vehicle, with prominent links to the "controversy" page.
-- Defence of the Realm ( talk) 02:14, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
This article has come to resemble a personal essay with a significant degree of personal opinion and rather a lot of synthesis.
It needs a critical culling of material to restore some balance and rid the article of only tangentially relevant material.
ALR ( talk) 23:48, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
[outdented] Click the following red link and start writing the new page ;) Snatch Land Rover controversy (typo in Billlion's link corrected). Although starting an article isn't really ownership of it, it is still useful. Hohum ( talk) 19:07, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
In the absence of any activity I'm going to cull quite a lot of this article, in the interests of allowing the opportunity for an unbalanced rant article to be created I'll move the current article to this placeholder in the meantime.
ALR ( talk) 12:26, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
The article says 'formally described as the Truck Utility Medium (TUM) with Vehicle Protection Kit (VPK).' I'm sure though that the VPK was the predecessor to the Snatch, which is a different vehicle? It's obvious that the Snatch is a composite armoured vehicle from the ground up, not a converted standard Defender. I'll change this to 'successor to the Truck Utility Medium (TUM) with Vehicle Protection Kit (VPK)' unless there are objections. -- Wranadu2 ( talk) 17:59, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
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