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here's one source for the info. I haven't worked on this article before, but watch the Rush article, and saw this link added. Hope this helps kill the Crystal ball thing, I'll try to add cites later, but I need dinner now. anyways, : http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003523620 ThuranX 01:10, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
We also need a source for those chart positions for "Far Cry". What chart is it referring to? What proof do we have that it reached that number? As it is, it's very vague and makes little sense. The Myst 09:04, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
This title is being reported all over the Rush community and it seems to be legit. -- Kudzu1 20:37, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
does this have anything whatsoever to do with that or visa-versa? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.60.106.216 ( talk • contribs) 00:41, 19 February 2007 (UTC).
An editor madea page for Far Cry (song). I have turned it into a redirect. all the info there was already here, and comprised of a single paragraph, and the generic rush album template info. Until there is sufficient critical review and such to create an in depth article regarding the song's technical structure, lyrical meaning, and public reception, there's no point in making it it's own page. ThuranX 02:21, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
There needs to be a Far Cry disambiguation page, in my opinion. Even if the Rush link will lead back here.
Are these release dates worldwide or canada/us only? Music shops here in the UK don't seem to have any info on the single...
Good question. So far the article is written from the information available from Rush's official website, so what is here is what's known already. When international release dates are known, I agree that they should be included here. -- ManfrenjenStJohn 00:01, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Further to my previous comment, local stores around me (in Dundee) have started listing the release as 1st of May, so it looks lieka fairly world-wide solid date
1. Far Cry
2. Armor and Sword
3. Workin' Them Angels
4. The Larger Bowl
5. Spindrift
6. The Main Monkey Business
7. The Way The Wind Blows
8. Hope
9. Faithless
10. Bravest Face
11. Good News First
12. Malignant Narcissism
13. We Hold On
This is the tracklist included in the sales sheet for Snakes & Arrows put out by Anthem. -- Rusher 19:54, 08 March 2007 (UTC)
I added several sections today, incorporating a lot of what was already here, along with new information that was released today (and some other stuff that has been floating around -- with good cites of course).
Most importantly, If anyone wants to improve the way I cited the Geddy quote, I invite you to do so. ManfrenjenStJohn 23:58, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I feel that the number of the album is incorrectly stated. As far as I know, this is Rush's 19th studio-recorded album. Unless a certain album failed to fall under the category of 'studio', I don't understand why S&A is being listed as 18th. Thanks to anyone who can fill me in. The bottom of the Rush.net homepage flashes the text "Rush: 19", "May 1, 2007", and "Snakes & Arrows" along with the roman numeral for 19 (XIX). DuTheXanadu 18:13, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
rush.net, an official rush page, lists this as the nineteenth album... that's all there is to it. RUSH says it's 19, wikipedia says it's 19. Jhiner 01:50, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
This is Rush's nineteenth album. It says so on Rush.net. Why does it still say 18???? 72.84.49.80 05:07, 21 March 2007 (UTC) Jhiner 05:10, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
What about saying (nineteenth overall) after "eighteenth full-length" ??? Jhiner 05:11, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
It seems like we're straining at gnats here. The MVI states that Snakes & Arrows is "Rush's nineteenth studio album." What's the concern about "full-length"? If they're calling it 19, let's call it 19. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dio AC ( talk • contribs) 23:05, August 20, 2007 (UTC).
For Wikipedia purposes EPs don't count? Is that official Wikipedia dogma? If it's wrong, it's wrong. Whether you want to decide a 40 minute album doesn't qualify, don't really change the fact that S&A is Rush's 19 STUDIO album. Such a bizzare distinction, imo. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.231.255.53 ( talk) 11:10, August 21, 2007 (UTC)
Feedback is an EP, not an album. It's all covers, no original tracks, and is 27 minutes long. Why would anyone consider that an album? 99.192.102.25 ( talk) 16:40, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Here are the intro sentences for their articles as they stand right now:
It follows that Feedback is outside the studio album count for Wikipedia purposes, and internal consistency says to number S&A as the 18th album with the clarifier of full-length studio albums. — C.Fred ( talk) 03:15, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
I found some scans of the single cover for "Far Cry" can this be used in the picture section? http://www.rushisaband.com/display.php?id=859 Another Kind 13:23, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I see, if there is a Fry Cry page made, this picture cannot be used, even with permission from the picture taker/scanner? -- Another Kind 13:42, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
this song is the number 5 most played song on hjy. also you con here it on the rush wed sight.............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.145.64.181 ( talk • contribs) 00:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC).
Is there a credible source for this? Ldkronos 19:20, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
I added that this track was leaked today. Bliks 00:31, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
I heard the full album was leaked, but the only source I have is [1] and that's a blog, so I'm not sure how reliable it is, anyone have other sources? Kagrenak 03:35, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
I know where the album was first found, and it wasn't the peer-to-peer networks. I did a search for the album an hour after it was first released (using ScrapeTorrent), and the only thing that came back was 2 leaked tracks, not a full album as the Wiki stated.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.68.131.208 ( talk • contribs) 00:23, 21 April 2007 (UTC).
Thanks fer the corrections!!! I don't know about searches, all my sources are reliable though.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.68.131.208 ( talk • contribs) 00:23, 21 April 2007 (UTC).
Not an MP3 leak but somebody stuffed up between the USA & Australia because my record shop got his order of two copies (one for him & one for me) on Monday. I went in Thursday as normal & was amazed to find it waiting. Listening to it now. 2 minutes through "The Main Monkey Business" & first impression is it's the best Rush album since at least Counterparts (which I like a lot). Everyone's on the top of their game - you're going to love it. Megamanic 01:54, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
The "Reviews" section and some of the other stuff can be snipped, I think... Kudzu1 23:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Isn't the title of Peart's essay actually The Game of Snakes and Arrows rather than A Prize Every Time? I'm looking at it now, and the latter seems like more of a subtitle--and it only says Prize Every Time. -- The Fwanksta May 19, 2007, 22:16.
I added hard rock to the genre list. So far all of the songs on the album that have their own articles have their genre as "Hard rock". Sittingonfence 22:30, 22 June 2007 (UTC) I do not how to do citations, but All Music Guide calls it "Hard Rock" and the reviews by Dave Ling and Pete Freensta, while not calling it hard rock, say that it has a heavy ("very heavy in places" -Dave Ling) sound to it, returning to their "proggy roots" (All of these early albums, exempt of "Hemispheres" and "A Farewell to Kings" have progressive rock and hard rock on their gerne lists). Sufficient? Sittingonfence 01:59, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Does "arena rock" really work for the album? I'm going to remove it for now. Zanders5k 18:13, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Ben Mink is credited for two songs: not only "Faithless" but also for "We Hold On". If you listen to the guitar solo, you'll hear a violin melody on the background.-- MarceloNunesPOA ( talk) 18:52, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
should the two tours to support the album be mentioned? ThuranX ( talk) 05:11, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Where is the consensus discussion or source that describes Snakes & Arrows as " Progressive rock"? If this is referring to the established consensus on the main Rush article that the band was indeed progressive at in the late 70's and early 80's, then this is probably an inappropriate label for the album. Comments or thoughts? Wisdom89 ( T / C) 18:56, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
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Regarding this passage "Lifeson had met guitarist David Gilmour during his tour stop in Toronto" - not really clear here who was stopping in Toronto, Lifeson or Gilmour. We're leaving it to the reader to assume that Lifeson lives in Toronto, but you know what happens when you assume...
Suggest something such as "Lifeson had met guitarist David Gilmour during Gilmour's tour stop in Toronto" FiggazWithAttitude ( talk) 20:11, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
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here's one source for the info. I haven't worked on this article before, but watch the Rush article, and saw this link added. Hope this helps kill the Crystal ball thing, I'll try to add cites later, but I need dinner now. anyways, : http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003523620 ThuranX 01:10, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
We also need a source for those chart positions for "Far Cry". What chart is it referring to? What proof do we have that it reached that number? As it is, it's very vague and makes little sense. The Myst 09:04, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
This title is being reported all over the Rush community and it seems to be legit. -- Kudzu1 20:37, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
does this have anything whatsoever to do with that or visa-versa? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.60.106.216 ( talk • contribs) 00:41, 19 February 2007 (UTC).
An editor madea page for Far Cry (song). I have turned it into a redirect. all the info there was already here, and comprised of a single paragraph, and the generic rush album template info. Until there is sufficient critical review and such to create an in depth article regarding the song's technical structure, lyrical meaning, and public reception, there's no point in making it it's own page. ThuranX 02:21, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
There needs to be a Far Cry disambiguation page, in my opinion. Even if the Rush link will lead back here.
Are these release dates worldwide or canada/us only? Music shops here in the UK don't seem to have any info on the single...
Good question. So far the article is written from the information available from Rush's official website, so what is here is what's known already. When international release dates are known, I agree that they should be included here. -- ManfrenjenStJohn 00:01, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Further to my previous comment, local stores around me (in Dundee) have started listing the release as 1st of May, so it looks lieka fairly world-wide solid date
1. Far Cry
2. Armor and Sword
3. Workin' Them Angels
4. The Larger Bowl
5. Spindrift
6. The Main Monkey Business
7. The Way The Wind Blows
8. Hope
9. Faithless
10. Bravest Face
11. Good News First
12. Malignant Narcissism
13. We Hold On
This is the tracklist included in the sales sheet for Snakes & Arrows put out by Anthem. -- Rusher 19:54, 08 March 2007 (UTC)
I added several sections today, incorporating a lot of what was already here, along with new information that was released today (and some other stuff that has been floating around -- with good cites of course).
Most importantly, If anyone wants to improve the way I cited the Geddy quote, I invite you to do so. ManfrenjenStJohn 23:58, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I feel that the number of the album is incorrectly stated. As far as I know, this is Rush's 19th studio-recorded album. Unless a certain album failed to fall under the category of 'studio', I don't understand why S&A is being listed as 18th. Thanks to anyone who can fill me in. The bottom of the Rush.net homepage flashes the text "Rush: 19", "May 1, 2007", and "Snakes & Arrows" along with the roman numeral for 19 (XIX). DuTheXanadu 18:13, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
rush.net, an official rush page, lists this as the nineteenth album... that's all there is to it. RUSH says it's 19, wikipedia says it's 19. Jhiner 01:50, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
This is Rush's nineteenth album. It says so on Rush.net. Why does it still say 18???? 72.84.49.80 05:07, 21 March 2007 (UTC) Jhiner 05:10, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
What about saying (nineteenth overall) after "eighteenth full-length" ??? Jhiner 05:11, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
It seems like we're straining at gnats here. The MVI states that Snakes & Arrows is "Rush's nineteenth studio album." What's the concern about "full-length"? If they're calling it 19, let's call it 19. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dio AC ( talk • contribs) 23:05, August 20, 2007 (UTC).
For Wikipedia purposes EPs don't count? Is that official Wikipedia dogma? If it's wrong, it's wrong. Whether you want to decide a 40 minute album doesn't qualify, don't really change the fact that S&A is Rush's 19 STUDIO album. Such a bizzare distinction, imo. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.231.255.53 ( talk) 11:10, August 21, 2007 (UTC)
Feedback is an EP, not an album. It's all covers, no original tracks, and is 27 minutes long. Why would anyone consider that an album? 99.192.102.25 ( talk) 16:40, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Here are the intro sentences for their articles as they stand right now:
It follows that Feedback is outside the studio album count for Wikipedia purposes, and internal consistency says to number S&A as the 18th album with the clarifier of full-length studio albums. — C.Fred ( talk) 03:15, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
I found some scans of the single cover for "Far Cry" can this be used in the picture section? http://www.rushisaband.com/display.php?id=859 Another Kind 13:23, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I see, if there is a Fry Cry page made, this picture cannot be used, even with permission from the picture taker/scanner? -- Another Kind 13:42, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
this song is the number 5 most played song on hjy. also you con here it on the rush wed sight.............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.145.64.181 ( talk • contribs) 00:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC).
Is there a credible source for this? Ldkronos 19:20, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
I added that this track was leaked today. Bliks 00:31, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
I heard the full album was leaked, but the only source I have is [1] and that's a blog, so I'm not sure how reliable it is, anyone have other sources? Kagrenak 03:35, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
I know where the album was first found, and it wasn't the peer-to-peer networks. I did a search for the album an hour after it was first released (using ScrapeTorrent), and the only thing that came back was 2 leaked tracks, not a full album as the Wiki stated.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.68.131.208 ( talk • contribs) 00:23, 21 April 2007 (UTC).
Thanks fer the corrections!!! I don't know about searches, all my sources are reliable though.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.68.131.208 ( talk • contribs) 00:23, 21 April 2007 (UTC).
Not an MP3 leak but somebody stuffed up between the USA & Australia because my record shop got his order of two copies (one for him & one for me) on Monday. I went in Thursday as normal & was amazed to find it waiting. Listening to it now. 2 minutes through "The Main Monkey Business" & first impression is it's the best Rush album since at least Counterparts (which I like a lot). Everyone's on the top of their game - you're going to love it. Megamanic 01:54, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
The "Reviews" section and some of the other stuff can be snipped, I think... Kudzu1 23:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Isn't the title of Peart's essay actually The Game of Snakes and Arrows rather than A Prize Every Time? I'm looking at it now, and the latter seems like more of a subtitle--and it only says Prize Every Time. -- The Fwanksta May 19, 2007, 22:16.
I added hard rock to the genre list. So far all of the songs on the album that have their own articles have their genre as "Hard rock". Sittingonfence 22:30, 22 June 2007 (UTC) I do not how to do citations, but All Music Guide calls it "Hard Rock" and the reviews by Dave Ling and Pete Freensta, while not calling it hard rock, say that it has a heavy ("very heavy in places" -Dave Ling) sound to it, returning to their "proggy roots" (All of these early albums, exempt of "Hemispheres" and "A Farewell to Kings" have progressive rock and hard rock on their gerne lists). Sufficient? Sittingonfence 01:59, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Does "arena rock" really work for the album? I'm going to remove it for now. Zanders5k 18:13, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Ben Mink is credited for two songs: not only "Faithless" but also for "We Hold On". If you listen to the guitar solo, you'll hear a violin melody on the background.-- MarceloNunesPOA ( talk) 18:52, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
should the two tours to support the album be mentioned? ThuranX ( talk) 05:11, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Where is the consensus discussion or source that describes Snakes & Arrows as " Progressive rock"? If this is referring to the established consensus on the main Rush article that the band was indeed progressive at in the late 70's and early 80's, then this is probably an inappropriate label for the album. Comments or thoughts? Wisdom89 ( T / C) 18:56, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Snakes & Arrows/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
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Last edited at 13:42, 2 March 2008 (UTC). Substituted at 06:24, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Regarding this passage "Lifeson had met guitarist David Gilmour during his tour stop in Toronto" - not really clear here who was stopping in Toronto, Lifeson or Gilmour. We're leaving it to the reader to assume that Lifeson lives in Toronto, but you know what happens when you assume...
Suggest something such as "Lifeson had met guitarist David Gilmour during Gilmour's tour stop in Toronto" FiggazWithAttitude ( talk) 20:11, 22 August 2019 (UTC)