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I propose to merge Battle of Dovhenke and Battles of Bohorodychne and Krasnopillia into a new article titled Sloviansk offensive.
It is clear that the battles on these three settlements are just attempts from the Russians to get closer to Sloviansk and try to seize it. Battles in this area started once Izium fell on 1 April. I think such a proposed article is justified in that it is clearly defined in time (post-1 April, maybe it started that exact day), space (Kharkiv Oblast and Donetsk Oblast south of Izium and the Donets, in villages near the Highway M03; I would not include fighting in nearby Lyman and Sviatohirsk although they cleared up the way for Russia to possibly use the T0514 motorway leading up to Sloviansk, which I think that they tried doing but were repelled at Raihorodok, so they could get a mention) and aim (Sloviansk, and then Kramatorsk, they are the major Ukrainian cities left in Donbas that have not been invaded and destroyed by Russia).
I am anyways not sure that the fightings in Bohorodychne, Dovhenke and Krasnopillia in particular are more notable than in other nearby villages. I heard a lot about Dmytrivka and Dolyna in the news. And lastly, including fightings in both Bohorodychne and Krasnopillia together into one single article, also considering that they are geographically separate because of Dolyna which is not included, is bizarre to me. Super Ψ Dro 23:01, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
I suggest the immediate decision to end the request for merging it. Not only are they two different places, but the goal was not Sloviansk.
Notably, the first attack upon Dovhenke was April 11th, the First Upon Bohorodychne and Krasnopillia was on June 7th. The difference is the Battle of Bohorodychne and Krasnopillia were an attempted offensive moving southwestward, while the Battle of Dovhenke was a spoiling attack moving southeastward. They were supposed to meet at the border, not at Sloviansk.
They were also in two different Oblasts, Kharkiv and Donetsk. Both were directed to meet each other at the Oblast border, neither were aiming to at eventually reaching Sloviansk. Nor were they moving on the same direction, or in the same area. 96.242.227.52 ( talk) 21:57, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
If, according to this perception, there was an offensive on Sloviansk, then the Russian Kupiansk offensive has been taking place since June 19 of this year, but there is no article on that topic. If I had dared to make it, I would have been instantly deleted, as well as the battles for the place of Dvorichna and Krasnohorivka, which have a greater geostrategic importance than Balakleya. — Baba Mica ( talk) 16:39, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
Re this by Jebiguess:
Flag icons should only be inserted in infoboxes in those cases where they convey information in addition to the text.This only occurs when there is more than one co-belligerent on one side AND when information in other fields is specific to the identified belligerents as conveyed by the use of the flags. The second condition is not satisfied. The flag icons added do not
convey information in addition to the textthat does not otherwise fall to MOS:ICONDECORATION -
Icons should serve an encyclopedic purpose and not merely be decorative. They should provide additional useful information on the article subject, serve as visual cues that aid the reader's comprehension, or improve navigation.The addition of the flags is not supported by MOS:INFOBOXFLAGS.
Accordingly, the edit has been reverted. Cinderella157 ( talk) 11:55, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
Generally, flag icons should not be used in infoboxes ...
Flag icons should only be inserted in infoboxes in those cases where they convey information in addition to the text.This sentence defines an acceptable exception to the general rule.
Examples of acceptable exceptions include infoboxes for military conflicts ...[emphasis added] This sentence lists cases where an acceptable exception can occur. It does not create a blanket exception from the opening sentence of the section - that
[g]enerally, flag icons should not be used in infoboxes ...
information in addition to the textin each instance.
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I've read through this article, and so much of the material is just "Russian forces launched attacks and failed" over and over again. Is this even notable enough for its own article? The only part that seems to be significant and not covered elsewhere is the "Ukrainian counteroffensive" part about the mid-2022 counterattacks around Izium prior to the larger eastern counteroffensive. Seems to me like it was just a minor sector of Battle of Donbas (2022) where not much happened. HappyWith ( talk) 16:25, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
To the north, Russian infantry and armour have been pushing south towards the strategically important towns of Sloviansk and Kramatorsk[9],
Situated on the Siverskyi Donets River, Izium formed a lock that the Russian army wanted to seize at all costs to move southward and pincer the Donbas.[10],
Russia's northern pincer advance would likely push south from the town of Izyum that lies strategically on the road towards the Ukrainian-held towns of Sloviansk and Kramatorsk.[11],
"Efforts by Russian forces advancing from Izyum to capture Slovyansk will likely prove to be the next pivotal battle of the war in Ukraine,",
"We have radio interceptions of their talks; their task is to capture the Donetsk region from the north."[12],
Moscow's next mission is to cut off Ukrainian forces by targeting the city of Sloviansk[13]. There's enough sources talking about Russia's intentions regarding Sloviansk and for encircling Donbas and I would oppose the merge if these two, the essence of this article, would not end up being mentioned. If there's no sources connecting Russia's intentions in Sloviansk and the encirclement of Donbas I will not oppose the merge since that'd be original research. Super Dromaeosaurus ( talk) 22:24, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
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I propose to merge Battle of Dovhenke and Battles of Bohorodychne and Krasnopillia into a new article titled Sloviansk offensive.
It is clear that the battles on these three settlements are just attempts from the Russians to get closer to Sloviansk and try to seize it. Battles in this area started once Izium fell on 1 April. I think such a proposed article is justified in that it is clearly defined in time (post-1 April, maybe it started that exact day), space (Kharkiv Oblast and Donetsk Oblast south of Izium and the Donets, in villages near the Highway M03; I would not include fighting in nearby Lyman and Sviatohirsk although they cleared up the way for Russia to possibly use the T0514 motorway leading up to Sloviansk, which I think that they tried doing but were repelled at Raihorodok, so they could get a mention) and aim (Sloviansk, and then Kramatorsk, they are the major Ukrainian cities left in Donbas that have not been invaded and destroyed by Russia).
I am anyways not sure that the fightings in Bohorodychne, Dovhenke and Krasnopillia in particular are more notable than in other nearby villages. I heard a lot about Dmytrivka and Dolyna in the news. And lastly, including fightings in both Bohorodychne and Krasnopillia together into one single article, also considering that they are geographically separate because of Dolyna which is not included, is bizarre to me. Super Ψ Dro 23:01, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
I suggest the immediate decision to end the request for merging it. Not only are they two different places, but the goal was not Sloviansk.
Notably, the first attack upon Dovhenke was April 11th, the First Upon Bohorodychne and Krasnopillia was on June 7th. The difference is the Battle of Bohorodychne and Krasnopillia were an attempted offensive moving southwestward, while the Battle of Dovhenke was a spoiling attack moving southeastward. They were supposed to meet at the border, not at Sloviansk.
They were also in two different Oblasts, Kharkiv and Donetsk. Both were directed to meet each other at the Oblast border, neither were aiming to at eventually reaching Sloviansk. Nor were they moving on the same direction, or in the same area. 96.242.227.52 ( talk) 21:57, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
If, according to this perception, there was an offensive on Sloviansk, then the Russian Kupiansk offensive has been taking place since June 19 of this year, but there is no article on that topic. If I had dared to make it, I would have been instantly deleted, as well as the battles for the place of Dvorichna and Krasnohorivka, which have a greater geostrategic importance than Balakleya. — Baba Mica ( talk) 16:39, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
Re this by Jebiguess:
Flag icons should only be inserted in infoboxes in those cases where they convey information in addition to the text.This only occurs when there is more than one co-belligerent on one side AND when information in other fields is specific to the identified belligerents as conveyed by the use of the flags. The second condition is not satisfied. The flag icons added do not
convey information in addition to the textthat does not otherwise fall to MOS:ICONDECORATION -
Icons should serve an encyclopedic purpose and not merely be decorative. They should provide additional useful information on the article subject, serve as visual cues that aid the reader's comprehension, or improve navigation.The addition of the flags is not supported by MOS:INFOBOXFLAGS.
Accordingly, the edit has been reverted. Cinderella157 ( talk) 11:55, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
Generally, flag icons should not be used in infoboxes ...
Flag icons should only be inserted in infoboxes in those cases where they convey information in addition to the text.This sentence defines an acceptable exception to the general rule.
Examples of acceptable exceptions include infoboxes for military conflicts ...[emphasis added] This sentence lists cases where an acceptable exception can occur. It does not create a blanket exception from the opening sentence of the section - that
[g]enerally, flag icons should not be used in infoboxes ...
information in addition to the textin each instance.
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I've read through this article, and so much of the material is just "Russian forces launched attacks and failed" over and over again. Is this even notable enough for its own article? The only part that seems to be significant and not covered elsewhere is the "Ukrainian counteroffensive" part about the mid-2022 counterattacks around Izium prior to the larger eastern counteroffensive. Seems to me like it was just a minor sector of Battle of Donbas (2022) where not much happened. HappyWith ( talk) 16:25, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
To the north, Russian infantry and armour have been pushing south towards the strategically important towns of Sloviansk and Kramatorsk[9],
Situated on the Siverskyi Donets River, Izium formed a lock that the Russian army wanted to seize at all costs to move southward and pincer the Donbas.[10],
Russia's northern pincer advance would likely push south from the town of Izyum that lies strategically on the road towards the Ukrainian-held towns of Sloviansk and Kramatorsk.[11],
"Efforts by Russian forces advancing from Izyum to capture Slovyansk will likely prove to be the next pivotal battle of the war in Ukraine,",
"We have radio interceptions of their talks; their task is to capture the Donetsk region from the north."[12],
Moscow's next mission is to cut off Ukrainian forces by targeting the city of Sloviansk[13]. There's enough sources talking about Russia's intentions regarding Sloviansk and for encircling Donbas and I would oppose the merge if these two, the essence of this article, would not end up being mentioned. If there's no sources connecting Russia's intentions in Sloviansk and the encirclement of Donbas I will not oppose the merge since that'd be original research. Super Dromaeosaurus ( talk) 22:24, 20 September 2023 (UTC)