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PrimožAbsolute location (45`15`N/15`/10`E) the map of Slovenia is really very much primitive and I am afraid that such map won't tell to occasional reader a lot. There are "only" ten "main" cities on it, no rivers, no mountains, no lakes, no national parks and such. But I guess it would be just enough to put Slovenia on a World's map somewhere southern of, let us say, Austria. What about the famous Kozler's map of Slovene countries at the fall of 19th century. It would certalnly clearly show how nations are disappearing from a human history. And in the end its borders are just old republic's bolders from the former Yugoslavia and the history still has to do a lot of things to define (once and for all) its present, past or future borders. Cheers. -- XJam 2002.06.19 3 Wednesday (0) - 16:06, Jun 18, 2002 (UTC)
I think you are right about the motto Zocky. "Zive naj vsi narodi" means " God's blessing on all nations" and is the first line of the National Anthem not a motto. Sannse 14:36 Jan 22, 2003 (UTC)
I would like to support the removal of the national "motto" from the page. Since there is no official motto, it is clear that it has been arbitrarily chosen by a wikipedia contributor and bears no actual significance. In addition, it has been mistranslated, as Žive naj vsi narodi means Let all nations live or Long live all nations - nowhere does it mention God or god at all. I am aware that this is an actual English translation that has been published, however, that does not make it a correct one and might even give the wrong impression about the country.
Madmatt04
12:10, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Although country/state mottoes are quite common in many parts of the world, Slovenia has none. I believe that the inclusion of the 'unofficial' motto on Wikipedia is unnecessary and misleading. There are many other slogans that could be posted instead of "Žive naj vsi narodi", however, none is correct.
I suggest it be removed.
Sgrabro 16:35, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
The city of Štore now links to absurd Store. Probably it should be redirected as [[Store (city)]] or [[Store, Slovenia]]. Why John von Neumann wasn't Slovene or whoever invented the ASCII code? :-) Lep pozdrav. -- XJamRastafire 16:03 May 7, 2003 (UTC)
Shouldn't "Dan spomina na mrtve" be translated as "Remembrance Day", not "All Soul's Day", which (a) is something else and (b) takes place on November 2nd? -- romanm 21:41 Nov 2, 2003 (CET)
While Slovenia and other countries are going to join the European Union on 1st May 2004, we are formally not there yet! So we should remove the page footer that lists candidates among EU members. -- romanm 19:35, 3 Nov 2003 (UTC)
It is somewhat amusing to see littoral being mentioned before pre-Alpine in the country's description... alphabetical sorting of adjectives, I guess? ;) -- Shallot 12:53, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I removed the box and added a text about the membership. It seems rather remote and not of to much importance for the understanding of Slovenia, rather would I return the ex-YU box, but that's still in discussion so let's leave it this way for now. Jakob Stevo 17:18, 20 May 2004 (UTC)
I also removed the Občine to a seperate article, they are just in they way if you wan't to get the basic facts at a glance Jakob Stevo 17:27, 20 May 2004 (UTC)
Avala, where did you reach the consensus about SFRY box? -- XJamRastafire 16:48, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)
This article has the following paragraph:
The Slovenian head of state is the president, who is elected by popular vote every 5 years. In his task as head of the executive branch, the president is aided by the prime minister and the council of ministers or cabinet, which are elected by parliament.
IMHO from above paragraph foreigners will gain wrong impression that it is the president who is ruling the country, while in fact Slovenia is parliamentary democracy and president has only representative role (unless there is a war, of course, in which case his/her role as the supreme commander of armed forces becomes important). Could this be rephrased? -- romanm (talk) 11:36, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Although some countries (e.g. Germany, Sweden, Iceland, if not mentioning Baltic states et al.) did it before, the then EU (12 members) in December 1991 agreed to recognise Slovenian (and Croatian) independence on January 15, 1992. They did so and many other world's countries followed on the same day or very soon after the date, with the USA and PR China being among the last ones (doing so in April). So, should January 15, 1992 be added to the Recognition under independence subsection. After all that date was (and still is) printed on the first Slovenian banknotes although they were issued about 8 months later or more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.77.86.2 ( talk) 12:38, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I proposed that the Wikimedia meetup 2005 should be in Ljubljana. Check out if interested. Zocky 18:24, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I don't think the Slovenian regions mentioned on this page are the official ones. I found two, not completely consistent lists:
Could someone who knows more (and who can read Slovenian) fix this? Are the regions named presently the historical regions? Markussep 09:24, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Now that it's been mentioned in the article, I think we need to clear this up.
Amnesty International states that 18,305 people were erased, so the 10% of the population (200,000 people!) is exaggerated. The
UVI (Media and Public Relations Office of the Gov't) also states that around 18,000 people did not apply for citizenship and were therefore "erased". Although later on in the article it says that out of those 18,000, only around 4,000 still do not have did not regulate any status in Slovenia, others all either applied for citizenship later on or obtained a residence permit, either temporary or permanent.
Anybody want to share their view?
Edolen1
18:38, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
New template has been created (copied from Commons): {{template:Slovenian flag}}. It appears like this: {{ Slovenian flag}}. It works also by using:
Cheers! -- Eleassar777 16:58, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The article suggests, but does not state outright, that municipalities are currently the only administrative local government entities in the country. Is this true? Or is there something intermediate between the regions and the municipalities? john k 23:59, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I find this rather confusing. Slovenia was not the official name nor its short version of the territory more or less occupied by modern Republika Slovenija (RS) in all of the listed state entities (Kingdom of Yugoslavia, for instance, used the term of "Dravska banovina"). Plus, the list seems to start quite randomly and lacks certain entities. I guess a more detailed list, starting from the end of the WWI, would go sth like this:
- State of Slovenes, Croats, and Serbs (unrecognized)
- Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes (since dec. 1918)
- Kingdom of Yugoslavia (since jan. 1929)
- Democratic Federal Yugoslavia (since WWII)
- Federal People's Republic of Yugoslavia (since 1946)
- SFRY (since 1963)
But, is this really relevant, anyway? Perhaps it shoul be stated under the paragraph "history"?
The paragraph history contains wrong info on SFRJ, check SFRJ. -- Golioder 23:39, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
I removed the following links from this article:
If anyone has any objections, please let us know here, so that we can discuss this. -- romanm ( talk) 14:47, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
I added link in this article from the "Government communication office - About Slovenia". I put it on first place because it's official governmental site giving information about Slovenia (news, Slovenia in brief, map, insignia, photo material, audio-visual material, publications, addresses and contacts, background information (culture, economy, education, environment, foreign affairs, history, internal affairs, social affairs, sport, transport and more)). -- jonson22
It should be higher, if not at the top, see Chess for example. -- andrejj 07:22, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the image Ljubljana_Franciscan_church.jpg from the section Economy; it is completely unrelated to this topic. -- Eleassar my talk 20:57, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
I've added an image of World Trade Center Ljubljana which is related to the economy of Slovenia.
Lord Rok 17:14, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Hello! Given ongoing discussions and recent edit warring – and with the hope of resolving this issue – you might be interested in a poll currently underway to decide the rendition of the lead for the Republic of Macedonia article. Please weigh in! Bitola | talk | 11:44, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
It would be great to have this image transformed into a set of links, like it has been done for Image:NetherlandsNavigationButton.gif in the {{ NavigationNetherland}} (see below). Does anyone know how to do that? -- Eleassar my talk 09:21, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Is this map correct? I always thought Bela krajina (White Carniola) is of the Panonian type. -- Eleassar my talk 11:31, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
The word for ethnicity used is 'Slovenians', both in the text and on the graph. But it should have been (I think) 'Slovenes'. Because 'Slovenian' is someone who comes from Slovenia and not the ethnicity. If you say on that list Slovenian, then we would also have to say 'Croatian', 'Serbian', 'Bosnian' ... (and not 'Croat', 'Serb', Bosniak')... Do you agree (that it should be changed to 'Slovenes')? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.135.108.157 ( talk) 22:39, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Would someone who knows the subject give an explanation of this paragraph?
Slovenia's main ethnic group is Slovenians (83%). Nationalities from the former Yugoslavia (Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks & Muslims by nationality) form 6.3% and the Hungarian, Italian and Roma minorities 0.6% of the population.
I may be missing something, but Slovenians are also a nationality from the former Yugoslavia. In any case, the paragraph is somewhat ambiguous. I think the simplest solution is to add "Other" to the second phrase, thus "Other nationalities from the former Yugoslavia...". Though someone else might come up with a better idea. RedZebra 19:44, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't agree with the title "Administrative divisions" as other than municipalities all other divisions hold absolutely no administrative functions. I think something like "Geographical divisions" would be better, or if anyone has any other suggestions, they're welcome to post them. edolen1 11:40, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
I edited this section as well as I could after I saw the prompt to do so. If anyone wants it to be representative of Wikipedia in general, I don't feel that most of the material can actually remain because it doesn't seem like something an encyclopedia (or Wikipedia) would have. I'm not saying, "Axe it;" I just don't think it can get much better. I made those changes before logging in. Sorry. (~~Ejoty~~September 18, 2006) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ejoty ( talk • contribs) 09:17, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, which one map is correct? It is changed twice a week ;-) -- AndrejJ 06:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
For those of you who are interested in making changes on 1 January 2007, please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Numismatics. -- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 13:22, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
As someone has set up the "discuss" link but not pursued it - merge, and perhaps a list of "geometric centres of states/continents of the world" (I read somewhere that Kyzyl is the geometric centre of Asia) Jackiespeel 16:10, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
In my ongoing efforts to try to include every country on the planet included in the scope of a WikiProject, I have proposed a new project on Southern Europe at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Southern Europe whose scope would include Slovenia. Any interested parties are more than welcome to add their names there, so we can see if there is enough interest to start such a project. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:58, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
It has been nothiced that there is no mention of Slovenian cultural symbols.This might not be BIG and important, but i don't think it is so unimportant that we shod leave it out completly. Please reply, i want ot know what the comunity thinks about this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MaticMan ( talk • contribs) 12:15, 27 December 2006 (UTC).
There should definitely be atleast a mention of slovene national symbols like the linden leaf, the slovene hat("windischer hut"), Triglav, perhaps even the Black Panther, Duke's Chair, Prince's Stone or Carinthian Cross, but that depends on the Austrian response(since they believe it belongs to the region that is now in their country and is therefore their cultural heritage). I'm planning of putting a section together soon and any help or input would be nice. Also, should it be a separate article or just a part of "Slovenia"?
195.210.248.41 (
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16:50, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
The article has been created, although it is still going to be reworked. It is at National symbols of Slovenia. Have fun. Nerby ( talk) 19:47, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
The national motto was removed since it was only a copy from the first line out of the national anthem. Also, the flag is is violation. The dimensions are wrong, correction needed. -to be deleted after corectins have been made Hekos 15:05, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Slovenia did not gain independence from Yugoslavia. Slovenia was not a colony, their representatives were at the AVNOJ congress where the post-WWII Yugoslavia was founded. Slovenia seceded from Yugoslavia. And its "territorial defence" forces killed scores of unarmed Yugoslav Army soldiers, a crime that is still covered up. Sachertorte 20:13, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Look, if some british-french-spanish guys can go to america and kill indians and call themselfs 'americans' and say they became independent so can Slovenia!
BTW: What do you care about coverups? Do you really want the Slovene secret service on your door :D :P MihaS 16:52, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Sachertorte: stop beating this dead horse. There was no crime, even the Serbian authorities say so. If you have some solid evidence - which I seriously doubt you do - you're welcome to present it to the press and the Hague tribunal, or whatever.
As far as the first part of your writing is concerned; I have never heard anyone call it secession, except for the Serbians. The newly formed countries were fighting for independence, so the current naming is appropriate.
Wikingus
16:50, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
The article Socialist Republic of Slovenia gives the date 8 March 1990 as the date of disestablishment, however this article doesn't mention it. Why not? I think it should be mentioned here in the infobox, as SR Slovenia was succeeded by the Republic of Slovenia. (For a related discussion, the conclusion of which should perhaps be revised, see also [2]) -- Eleassar my talk 23:15, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
The images in the sections describing the history of Slovenia in the 20th century are almost solely about the war (Renče, Partisan cap, execution of a civilian, Rožna Dolina fighting), destruction (National Hall) or Communist oppression (Square of the Republic, even not depicting a historical event). Is this truly representative of the century? It seems skewed to me. What about including a photo of the proclamation of independence in 1991 and some other instead? -- Eleassar my talk 09:05, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
-- Tone 09:49, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
I removed a mention of Yugoslavia from the lead sentence ("[Slovenia is] is the westernmost and the northernmost of the former Yugoslav Republics") for the following reasons:
1.) While Yugoslavia is an important part of Slovenia's history (and is discussed in the article's history section, and even further down in the lead paragraph), it's not automatically more significant than, say, Slovenia's Austro-Hungarian past. In both cases, we're dealing with history.
2.) Describing a country's current geographical placement by referring to a historical geopolitical entity seems inherently problematic. -- WorldWide Update ( talk) 21:24, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
What I'm thinking about is whether the article is not too Slovene-centered, putting too much emphasis on the Slovene nation and disregarding other nations in the Slovenian territory. The German perspective, history and influence seem to be entirely missing from the 'History' section. -- Eleassar my talk 10:57, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
I agree. At least for the mid/late 19th century, a sentence or two about the Germans should be added (and in the previous session, it should be stressed that most of contemporary Slovenia was part of the German cultural sphere). Viator slovenicus ( talk) 17:35, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
I think that the paragraph about the resistance against the Avars and the formation of Carantania should be revised. Per P. Štih, [5] the Duchy of Carantania was not established by Slavs: "Karantanci, za katere smo rekli, da jih ne moremo enačiti s Slovenci, prav tako niso bili istovetni s Slovani, ki so se konec 6. stoletja naselili v koroški prostor, ampak so se v novo, karantansko etnično skupnost izoblikovali tudi iz staroselcev nekdanje rimske province Norik, v ta proces pa so bili očitno vključeni še Hrvati, o katerih prisotnosti v koroškem prostoru pričajo krajevna imena, pa tudi kakšni avarski ali germanski drobci in nemara celo Dudlebi in Bolgari." ["The Carantanians, for whom we said that can't be equaled with the Slovenes, were not identical to the Slavs, who settled in the Carinthian space at the end of the 6th century, but were formed into a new, Carantanian ethnic community also from the native inhabitants of the former Roman province of Noricum, and the process seemingly included also the Croats, the presence of whom is attested with place names, and also some Avarian and German fragments and perhaps even the Dudlebs and the Bulgars.] -- Eleassar my talk 09:43, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
The Carantanian ethnic identity was formed by a merger of different peoples, one of them were Slavs.
Justice and Reason ( talk) 10:46, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
No ethnic community is completely homogeneous. However, one can't disregard the numerous early medieval sources that equate Carantanians with Slavs (nor the earlier research by historians like Bogo Grafenauer that stressed the quite radical discontinuity in the topography of the Eastern Alps after the Slavic settlement); despite the obvious fact that there were different ethnic groups present in the Carantanian space, the Slavic hegemony and the ethnic continuity with modern Slovenes seem two rather undisputed facts. How would you rephrase the sentences/ paragparphs? Viator slovenicus ( talk) 17:44, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
"In 1848, a mass political and popular movement for the United Slovenia (Zedinjena Slovenija) emerged as part of the Spring of Nations movement within the Austrian Empire."
Incorrect. The movement was supported mostly by intellectuals. Most Slovenes were still too preoccupied with other things to be engaged in national sentiments.
A widespread national movement emerged in the 1860s. That is when the majority of Slovenes gained a national consciousness. The movement did draw a lot from the United Slovenia sentiments, among other things. But back in 1848, the movement was still limited to a relatively small circle.
Justice and Reason ( talk) 18:00, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
I've found a great resource for more up-to-date data on Slovenia, and from a reputable source no less. ( http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/slovenia/) -- Zurkhardo ( talk) 01:02, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi, what's your opinion on the material recently added by User:DancingPhilosopher about how Janša's directors were frustrated etc? [6] I've removed it temporarily, at least until a consensus is formed about its inclusion or exclusion, due to WP:NEWSORG: "Editorial commentary and opinion pieces, whether written by the editors of the publication (opinion pieces) or outside authors ( op-eds) are reliable primary sources for attributed statements as to the opinion of the author, but are rarely reliable for statements of fact." These claims were not attributed to Damjan in the article and are, according to the cited guideline, not reliable for statements of fact. In this case we should be especially prudent as they discuss a living person (J. Janša). -- Eleassar my talk 09:31, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
The article, as it stands now, conveys the message that "The Italian occupation policy in the Province of Ljubljana gave Slovenes cultural autonomy..." "a resistance movement led by the Liberation Front of the Slovene Nation, emerged in both the Italian and in the German occupation zones" "The Italian Army reacted with brutal repression, which included war crimes against the civilian population". It seems like if the Italians were generous towards the Slovenes and their later violence, including war crimes, was simply a reaction to the resistance movement and somehow the own guilt of the Slovenes. If this is so, it should be appropriately referenced. Otherwise, the section should be rewritten to avoid such impression. -- Eleassar my talk 08:22, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
I'm sure we can find plenty of Italian history books in favor of such account ;)) Any suggestions on how to rephrase it? Viator slovenicus ( talk) 17:48, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
Yeah - this sound like "When did you stop beating your wife?" kind of phrasing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.250.30.129 ( talk) 13:24, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
I think esthetic criteria should also be followed in the choice of pictures. Images with a good composition & interesting, captivating subject should be given preference. For example, the image of Potočka Zijalka: can't we get a better picture illustrating ancient history than a hopelessly amateurish photo apparently showing the entrance to a hole (I say apparently, because one can only see a bunch of dull rocks, surrounded by total darkness ...)? Viator slovenicus ( talk) 09:37, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
I agree, the Vače situla photo is mediocre (to say the least). The caption is laconic, but it can be expanded. I've also checked out the photos available, and I've seen it's rather poor. Of course, it comes down to a matter of taste/ judgement,... but seriously: the image of Potočka Zijalka is very bad. You can't discern anything on it. Are we sure we don't have anything at least slightly better (and not from the Littoral)? What about the Negau Helmets? What about this file: commons:File:Ptuj8.jpg? It's the remain of a Roman tomb from Ptuj ("Monument of Orpheus"). Viator slovenicus ( talk) 12:57, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
I completely agree with you regarding the significance: but unfortunately the photo of PZ is inadeuqate. Maybe you also should visit that soon ;)) Cheers, Viator slovenicus ( talk) 16:22, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Although I missed the above discussion, I agree that none of the PZ images is really good enough to have a place in the Prehistory section. What about the wooden wheel, maybe someone can go and make a photography of it? -- DancingPhilosopher my talk 14:16, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Where to insert info about them in the article about Italy. |
There is no mention in the article of the 'Istrian exodus', i.e. the (forced or less forced) emigration of Italians from the territories given to Yugoslavia after WWII. I think it should be mentioned as it had a significant impact on reducing the Italian minority in Slovenia to the current tiny size. The coast of Slovenia (Koper/Capodistria, Piran/Pirano etc.) was actually populated by a vast majority of Italians until WWII. 92.77.101.216 ( talk) 19:22, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Slovenia article, and I agree, rhere is no mention in the article of the 'Istrian exodus'. -- Eleassar my talk 12:11, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
Strange statement in article: "During World War II, Slovenia was occupied and annexed by Germany, Italy, Croatia, and Hungary." What does that mean? Are you saying that Germany annexed it, then the Italians kicked out the Germans & took over, then Croatia, etc.? Are you saying the divided it up, & each took a piece? ( EnochBethany ( talk) 13:50, 19 March 2014 (UTC))
Hi, came across this article and although it is well cited overall there are some parts that may need some citations. Instead of adding citation tags in the article, I thought it may be better to mention some of them here in talk:) Here are the words in the WWII section that probably need some references if a wiki-Slovenia expert can oblige: 'Some Slovenes collaborated with the Axis powers, with the German-sponsored Slovene Home Guard having 21,000 members at the peak of its power. Main part of them was part of auxiliary SS units. More than 30,000 Partisans died fighting Axis forces and their collaborators. Approximately 8% of Slovenes died during WWII in the Slovene territories.
In 1945, Yugoslavia liberated itself and shortly thereafter became a nominally federal Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. Slovenia joined the federation as a socialist republic; its own Communist Party was formed in 1937. After the withdrawal of the Axis forces, the vast majority of the previously relocated Gottscheers were deported or fled to Austria and Germany.' Coolabahapple ( talk) 12:39, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Slovenia is a poor country and definitelly not the richest of the slavic speaking countries. The poverty, unemployment, corruption increased since the state joined the NATO, EU and Euro currency. The public debt to GDP ratio increased from 20% (2004) to 85% (source: http://www.debtclocks.eu/public-debt-and-budget-deficit-of-slovenia.html) in 2014 and keeps increasing. If the trend will continue then Slovenia will have a 100% of public debt to GDP ratio in year 2017 ( https://www.quandl.com/data/SGE/SVNGDG-Slovenia-Government-Debt-to-GDP.png?dataset[collapse]=monthly&dataset[graph_title]=Debt+to+GDP+-+Slovenia&dataset[height]=300&dataset[width]=450 , http://psn.sdn.si/sn/img/s975x650/14/093/635321447791809026_skupnidolg_975px_140403.jpg )
Here is some review from Azernews about Slovenia: "The recent financial and economic crisis in the world has further complicated the situation in a number of countries. Earlier, the economy of these countries was also precarious. Slovenia is one of such countries.
According to the reports of the international financial agencies and other authoritative international organizations, Slovenia’s credit rating has recently significantly decreased. The external debts sharply increased. Investors began to leave the country. The unemployment reached a record level. The poverty began covering a large part of the population.
According to the reports of the US Heritage Foundation and Wall Street Journal about the economic freedom level in the world’s countries, Slovenia has been one of the European countries with the largest economic lag for the last five years.
A lack of the national development strategy, a failure of holding the democratic processes in the society and legal reforms at the proper level in Slovenia have also created favorable conditions for the corruption. It is not a coincidence that according to the European Commission’s last year's report on corruption, around 91 percent of the population confirmed the facts of corruption in the country.
A lack of any breakthrough in eliminating of corruption in Slovenia has been stressed in various reports of the CE Anti-Corruption Group.
The recent facts of the corruption among the high-level officials in the country caused great resonance in the world.
The international experts periodically informed that the corruption cases covered almost all areas in Slovenia.
According to the World Economic Forum’s Global Competitiveness Report for 2013-2014, the corruption has been called as one of the most serious problems for the business activity in Slovenia.
The international reports point to some problems in Slovenia in connection with the human rights. Such facts as violence against women and children, human trafficking, harsh detention conditions, social differences and other similar facts have been mentioned.
The above mentioned factors cause serious problems for the prospects of Slovenia’s future development.
This situation forces Slovenia’s senior representatives to appeal to the countries with strong economy. The main purpose of Slovenian State Council chairman Mitya Bervar’s visit to Azerbaijan is connected with obtaining financial aid from the country. It would be nice if such visits were based on mutually beneficial cooperation."
source: http://www.azernews.az/azerbaijan/78520.html
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eg Melania Trump, born Melanija Knavs in Novo Mesto, current First Lady of the USA, married to 45th President Donald Trump.
Arguable whether her origin says much about Slovenia or is worth mentioning on Slovenia's wiki page. I think it is ... at least, it's the reason I was interested to look up this page. Presumably others will do the same. M@T arragano ( talk) 00:51, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
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First lady of the United States of America Melania Trump is a Slovenian-born fashion model who is the second First Lady of the U.S. to be born outside the U.S.A. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pronsias ( talk • contribs) 15:20, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
I have removed the recent additions by the user Realslovenian. In addition to no sources being cited, the material was largely inaccurate and/or unencyclopedic. Among other things: 1) "massive emigration" does not cause population growth and is not in the source cited; 2) Slovenian is not an "ancient language," the dual is not "a complex phenonenon" and does not pervade all aspects of the language, the dialects vary in distinctiveness and how many are reckoned, clarity/understandability are subjective, Slovenian has no vocative; and 3) phrases like "slew of" are unencyclopedic and English capitalizes proper nouns and adjectives. All of these issues are covered more accurately at the appertaining articles. Doremo ( talk) 11:41, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi , as you might be aware Slovenia is under google search as "Country in the Balkans" , however historically and culturally many people would disagree.
If we look at Scandinavian countries and Baltic ones, all of them say 'Country in Europe' when searched on google, therefore not specialised. I propose to change it to 'Country in Europe' as it is more accurante, and other balkan countries are not... It was so around 1 year ago, and culturally speaking the majority of slovenians would also view this as more correct.
Let me know what you think.
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Its part south of Sava river belongs to the Balkan peninsula – i.e. Southeastern Europe. Jingiby ( talk) 17:00, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
There is nothing "scientific" about a word like Balkans. It's just a label. Originally Ottoman Europe, including Greece -- but Greece is seldom included in the Balkans today. Originally not including Slovenia, but later it did, because Slovenia was part of Yugoslavia. But arguing about whether it "is" or "isn't" is futile. You can say that it is/isn't per the definition of the Council of Europe, or National Geographic, or whatever, but absent an agreed international definition, a simple claim one way or the other is meaningless. Also, per our Balkans article, just part of Slovenia is included in the definition they prefer (and outline on the map), which means at best (worst?), Slovenia's on the northern fringe. — kwami ( talk) 05:41, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
"Western Balkans" is an EU neologism, but it does exclude Slovenia. The CIA site classifies it as Central European, as does our Central Europe article. I've always seen Slovenia as Central European. It may be that they're trying to distance themselves from the Balkans, but so what? The word doesn't have any set meaning anyway. — kwami ( talk) 05:59, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
I was invited to comment by Jingiby. The term Balkan doesn't even appear in the lead, so I'm not sure why this is a big deal. "Southeastern Europe" is certainly correct and should remain. Srnec ( talk) 23:15, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
is in Central Europe and Southeastern Europeis just as hopeless, since that may be interpreted as if part of the country is in Central Europe and part in Southeastern Europe, which again would presuppose well-defined region borders.
is a country located at the crossroads of main European cultural and trade routes. The next sentence defines it precisely in relation to other states and the Adriatic.
(though, again, without universal agreement on its component states), which was rather my point.
The old discussion again. My idea was Slovenia is part from the Balkans and Southeastern Europe and also from Central Europe. Another editor insisted only on Central Europe and changed the article several times to this biased view. Now it was done again but in another form, i.e. Slovenia lies "in the central part of Europe". This is not correct neither politically nor geographically, moreover no consensus for such change was reached thanks. Jingiby ( talk) 12:58, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
200 people is not enough to have it mentioned. It's not an established religion with a long tradition in Slovenia. -- 2001:16B8:31CF:AA00:C1E0:C9F1:3A3B:E1D3 ( talk) 16:36, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
It is currently being proposed that Category:Slavic countries and territories be deleted. This article is part of that category. The relevant discussion is located at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 January 8#Countries and territories by language family. The discussion would benefit from input from editors with a knowledge of and interest in Slovenia. Krakkos ( talk) 11:06, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Dear Starangel19,
please have in mind that Habsburg Monarchy was not a country, but an unofficial apellation of the lands ruled by the Hasburg Kings. Inthese section, we list countries, and Kingdom of Hungary is apellated, which had among others as well Habsurg Kings, thus it is even more accurate since it covers as well the times before 1526.( KIENGIR ( talk) 02:59, 9 February 2020 (UTC))
Marjan Šarec resigned on 27 January. Janez Janša is "prime minister-designate". [11] Who is "the prime minister" for the purposes of this article?
Hi guys, I can't get the iso3166code parameter of the infobox to work properly. I've asked for help at the template's talk page here, so help is coming (hopefully!) Dr. Vogel ( talk) 18:09, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Regarding the unexplained anonymous edit made on Thursday - I fail to understand the basis for it. Slovenia is a country geographically, politically and culturally a part of Central Europe. There is an ongoing (and longlasting) dispute about whether or not it lies partly in the Balkans, but given the fact the Balkans has no exact geographical boundaries, it is only alternatively (even the main articles on Central and South Eastern Europe claim so) placed in South Eastern Europe (and under no conditions in Eastern Europe), with a majority of scholars giving it a benefit of doubt and placing the country exclusively in Central Europe both because of the Alps as well as its shared history with the rest of Central Europe via the Habsburg Empire. I would love to hear the explanation from the editor himself (and yes, I did read the previous discussion on this topic - I believe Oksfjord made a pretty good point there explaining it). Should there be no further explanation from the editor, I plan to revert to the previous version regarding the placement of Slovenia in Europe (i.e. to Central Europe exclusively). 93.103.162.81 ( talk) 10:24, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
In my opinion, the 'Notes' tab contained within the article should be removed unless any information can be added to it as in my opinion it is pointless having an empty tab in the article. Xboxsponge15 ( talk) 16:16, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
Foreign Office (i.e. British civil authority, but not the military) policy was indeed initially, as you say, in favor of 'hand-over' of the Italian war criminals, but the British and American military authorities in Italy were against it (p.520)
[2], but the Foreign Office changed its policy (ibid., p.523), too, when in 1946 the possibility was that Italian communists would win the Italian general election, which would open Italy to Soviet influence, so they decided to drop the case and let Italy do the job (ibid., p.526) resulting in the (highly indicative) fate of Graziani and Roatta (ibid., p.525). The British concern to secure the electoral victory of the Christian Democrats "prompted Britain to drop all of its war crimes claims against Italy" (ibid., p.527). See the screenshots from the scholarly article via JStor.org
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The word for "center" is literally the same in Slovenian, so don't correct any official nouns from government ministries with "Center" in it (they use same word in English/Slovenian translations). Ex: Ministry of Science's "Science Center Ljubljana"
http://www.sadarvuga.com/project/the-center-of-science-ljubljana/ Ministry of Finance's "Center of Excellence in Finance"
https://www.cef-see.org/about-us DataCenter Ljubjana
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In the Iron Age, present-day Slovenia was inhabited by Illyrian and Celtic tribes until the 1st century BC. citation needed <--- editors who are maintaining this article could easily take references from the articles on Illyrians and Celts and supply the proper inline ref. Do so, and this can be returned to the article. Thanks. 50.111.40.110 ( talk) 19:38, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
I have removed " , and has since been the largest sole energy producer, accounting for of the gross energy production in 2018" aside from something being missing between for and of, this relates to a medium sized hydro power station that is unlikely to be "the largest sole energy producer" however you interpret sole energy producer. Ϣere SpielChequers 11:54, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
In the first paragraph it says: "has a population of 2.1 million (2,108,708 people)." and cites https://www.infoplease.com/countries/slovenia as a source. However on that page it says Population (2014 est.): 1,988,292. So should we fix it and / or cite a page with another & more recent info? – Wayfarer ( talk) 13:16, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
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PrimožAbsolute location (45`15`N/15`/10`E) the map of Slovenia is really very much primitive and I am afraid that such map won't tell to occasional reader a lot. There are "only" ten "main" cities on it, no rivers, no mountains, no lakes, no national parks and such. But I guess it would be just enough to put Slovenia on a World's map somewhere southern of, let us say, Austria. What about the famous Kozler's map of Slovene countries at the fall of 19th century. It would certalnly clearly show how nations are disappearing from a human history. And in the end its borders are just old republic's bolders from the former Yugoslavia and the history still has to do a lot of things to define (once and for all) its present, past or future borders. Cheers. -- XJam 2002.06.19 3 Wednesday (0) - 16:06, Jun 18, 2002 (UTC)
I think you are right about the motto Zocky. "Zive naj vsi narodi" means " God's blessing on all nations" and is the first line of the National Anthem not a motto. Sannse 14:36 Jan 22, 2003 (UTC)
I would like to support the removal of the national "motto" from the page. Since there is no official motto, it is clear that it has been arbitrarily chosen by a wikipedia contributor and bears no actual significance. In addition, it has been mistranslated, as Žive naj vsi narodi means Let all nations live or Long live all nations - nowhere does it mention God or god at all. I am aware that this is an actual English translation that has been published, however, that does not make it a correct one and might even give the wrong impression about the country.
Madmatt04
12:10, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Although country/state mottoes are quite common in many parts of the world, Slovenia has none. I believe that the inclusion of the 'unofficial' motto on Wikipedia is unnecessary and misleading. There are many other slogans that could be posted instead of "Žive naj vsi narodi", however, none is correct.
I suggest it be removed.
Sgrabro 16:35, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
The city of Štore now links to absurd Store. Probably it should be redirected as [[Store (city)]] or [[Store, Slovenia]]. Why John von Neumann wasn't Slovene or whoever invented the ASCII code? :-) Lep pozdrav. -- XJamRastafire 16:03 May 7, 2003 (UTC)
Shouldn't "Dan spomina na mrtve" be translated as "Remembrance Day", not "All Soul's Day", which (a) is something else and (b) takes place on November 2nd? -- romanm 21:41 Nov 2, 2003 (CET)
While Slovenia and other countries are going to join the European Union on 1st May 2004, we are formally not there yet! So we should remove the page footer that lists candidates among EU members. -- romanm 19:35, 3 Nov 2003 (UTC)
It is somewhat amusing to see littoral being mentioned before pre-Alpine in the country's description... alphabetical sorting of adjectives, I guess? ;) -- Shallot 12:53, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I removed the box and added a text about the membership. It seems rather remote and not of to much importance for the understanding of Slovenia, rather would I return the ex-YU box, but that's still in discussion so let's leave it this way for now. Jakob Stevo 17:18, 20 May 2004 (UTC)
I also removed the Občine to a seperate article, they are just in they way if you wan't to get the basic facts at a glance Jakob Stevo 17:27, 20 May 2004 (UTC)
Avala, where did you reach the consensus about SFRY box? -- XJamRastafire 16:48, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)
This article has the following paragraph:
The Slovenian head of state is the president, who is elected by popular vote every 5 years. In his task as head of the executive branch, the president is aided by the prime minister and the council of ministers or cabinet, which are elected by parliament.
IMHO from above paragraph foreigners will gain wrong impression that it is the president who is ruling the country, while in fact Slovenia is parliamentary democracy and president has only representative role (unless there is a war, of course, in which case his/her role as the supreme commander of armed forces becomes important). Could this be rephrased? -- romanm (talk) 11:36, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Although some countries (e.g. Germany, Sweden, Iceland, if not mentioning Baltic states et al.) did it before, the then EU (12 members) in December 1991 agreed to recognise Slovenian (and Croatian) independence on January 15, 1992. They did so and many other world's countries followed on the same day or very soon after the date, with the USA and PR China being among the last ones (doing so in April). So, should January 15, 1992 be added to the Recognition under independence subsection. After all that date was (and still is) printed on the first Slovenian banknotes although they were issued about 8 months later or more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.77.86.2 ( talk) 12:38, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I proposed that the Wikimedia meetup 2005 should be in Ljubljana. Check out if interested. Zocky 18:24, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I don't think the Slovenian regions mentioned on this page are the official ones. I found two, not completely consistent lists:
Could someone who knows more (and who can read Slovenian) fix this? Are the regions named presently the historical regions? Markussep 09:24, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Now that it's been mentioned in the article, I think we need to clear this up.
Amnesty International states that 18,305 people were erased, so the 10% of the population (200,000 people!) is exaggerated. The
UVI (Media and Public Relations Office of the Gov't) also states that around 18,000 people did not apply for citizenship and were therefore "erased". Although later on in the article it says that out of those 18,000, only around 4,000 still do not have did not regulate any status in Slovenia, others all either applied for citizenship later on or obtained a residence permit, either temporary or permanent.
Anybody want to share their view?
Edolen1
18:38, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
New template has been created (copied from Commons): {{template:Slovenian flag}}. It appears like this: {{ Slovenian flag}}. It works also by using:
Cheers! -- Eleassar777 16:58, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The article suggests, but does not state outright, that municipalities are currently the only administrative local government entities in the country. Is this true? Or is there something intermediate between the regions and the municipalities? john k 23:59, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I find this rather confusing. Slovenia was not the official name nor its short version of the territory more or less occupied by modern Republika Slovenija (RS) in all of the listed state entities (Kingdom of Yugoslavia, for instance, used the term of "Dravska banovina"). Plus, the list seems to start quite randomly and lacks certain entities. I guess a more detailed list, starting from the end of the WWI, would go sth like this:
- State of Slovenes, Croats, and Serbs (unrecognized)
- Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes (since dec. 1918)
- Kingdom of Yugoslavia (since jan. 1929)
- Democratic Federal Yugoslavia (since WWII)
- Federal People's Republic of Yugoslavia (since 1946)
- SFRY (since 1963)
But, is this really relevant, anyway? Perhaps it shoul be stated under the paragraph "history"?
The paragraph history contains wrong info on SFRJ, check SFRJ. -- Golioder 23:39, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
I removed the following links from this article:
If anyone has any objections, please let us know here, so that we can discuss this. -- romanm ( talk) 14:47, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
I added link in this article from the "Government communication office - About Slovenia". I put it on first place because it's official governmental site giving information about Slovenia (news, Slovenia in brief, map, insignia, photo material, audio-visual material, publications, addresses and contacts, background information (culture, economy, education, environment, foreign affairs, history, internal affairs, social affairs, sport, transport and more)). -- jonson22
It should be higher, if not at the top, see Chess for example. -- andrejj 07:22, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the image Ljubljana_Franciscan_church.jpg from the section Economy; it is completely unrelated to this topic. -- Eleassar my talk 20:57, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
I've added an image of World Trade Center Ljubljana which is related to the economy of Slovenia.
Lord Rok 17:14, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Hello! Given ongoing discussions and recent edit warring – and with the hope of resolving this issue – you might be interested in a poll currently underway to decide the rendition of the lead for the Republic of Macedonia article. Please weigh in! Bitola | talk | 11:44, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
It would be great to have this image transformed into a set of links, like it has been done for Image:NetherlandsNavigationButton.gif in the {{ NavigationNetherland}} (see below). Does anyone know how to do that? -- Eleassar my talk 09:21, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Is this map correct? I always thought Bela krajina (White Carniola) is of the Panonian type. -- Eleassar my talk 11:31, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
The word for ethnicity used is 'Slovenians', both in the text and on the graph. But it should have been (I think) 'Slovenes'. Because 'Slovenian' is someone who comes from Slovenia and not the ethnicity. If you say on that list Slovenian, then we would also have to say 'Croatian', 'Serbian', 'Bosnian' ... (and not 'Croat', 'Serb', Bosniak')... Do you agree (that it should be changed to 'Slovenes')? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.135.108.157 ( talk) 22:39, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Would someone who knows the subject give an explanation of this paragraph?
Slovenia's main ethnic group is Slovenians (83%). Nationalities from the former Yugoslavia (Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks & Muslims by nationality) form 6.3% and the Hungarian, Italian and Roma minorities 0.6% of the population.
I may be missing something, but Slovenians are also a nationality from the former Yugoslavia. In any case, the paragraph is somewhat ambiguous. I think the simplest solution is to add "Other" to the second phrase, thus "Other nationalities from the former Yugoslavia...". Though someone else might come up with a better idea. RedZebra 19:44, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't agree with the title "Administrative divisions" as other than municipalities all other divisions hold absolutely no administrative functions. I think something like "Geographical divisions" would be better, or if anyone has any other suggestions, they're welcome to post them. edolen1 11:40, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
I edited this section as well as I could after I saw the prompt to do so. If anyone wants it to be representative of Wikipedia in general, I don't feel that most of the material can actually remain because it doesn't seem like something an encyclopedia (or Wikipedia) would have. I'm not saying, "Axe it;" I just don't think it can get much better. I made those changes before logging in. Sorry. (~~Ejoty~~September 18, 2006) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ejoty ( talk • contribs) 09:17, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, which one map is correct? It is changed twice a week ;-) -- AndrejJ 06:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
For those of you who are interested in making changes on 1 January 2007, please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Numismatics. -- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 13:22, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
As someone has set up the "discuss" link but not pursued it - merge, and perhaps a list of "geometric centres of states/continents of the world" (I read somewhere that Kyzyl is the geometric centre of Asia) Jackiespeel 16:10, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
In my ongoing efforts to try to include every country on the planet included in the scope of a WikiProject, I have proposed a new project on Southern Europe at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Southern Europe whose scope would include Slovenia. Any interested parties are more than welcome to add their names there, so we can see if there is enough interest to start such a project. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:58, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
It has been nothiced that there is no mention of Slovenian cultural symbols.This might not be BIG and important, but i don't think it is so unimportant that we shod leave it out completly. Please reply, i want ot know what the comunity thinks about this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MaticMan ( talk • contribs) 12:15, 27 December 2006 (UTC).
There should definitely be atleast a mention of slovene national symbols like the linden leaf, the slovene hat("windischer hut"), Triglav, perhaps even the Black Panther, Duke's Chair, Prince's Stone or Carinthian Cross, but that depends on the Austrian response(since they believe it belongs to the region that is now in their country and is therefore their cultural heritage). I'm planning of putting a section together soon and any help or input would be nice. Also, should it be a separate article or just a part of "Slovenia"?
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The article has been created, although it is still going to be reworked. It is at National symbols of Slovenia. Have fun. Nerby ( talk) 19:47, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
The national motto was removed since it was only a copy from the first line out of the national anthem. Also, the flag is is violation. The dimensions are wrong, correction needed. -to be deleted after corectins have been made Hekos 15:05, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Slovenia did not gain independence from Yugoslavia. Slovenia was not a colony, their representatives were at the AVNOJ congress where the post-WWII Yugoslavia was founded. Slovenia seceded from Yugoslavia. And its "territorial defence" forces killed scores of unarmed Yugoslav Army soldiers, a crime that is still covered up. Sachertorte 20:13, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Look, if some british-french-spanish guys can go to america and kill indians and call themselfs 'americans' and say they became independent so can Slovenia!
BTW: What do you care about coverups? Do you really want the Slovene secret service on your door :D :P MihaS 16:52, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Sachertorte: stop beating this dead horse. There was no crime, even the Serbian authorities say so. If you have some solid evidence - which I seriously doubt you do - you're welcome to present it to the press and the Hague tribunal, or whatever.
As far as the first part of your writing is concerned; I have never heard anyone call it secession, except for the Serbians. The newly formed countries were fighting for independence, so the current naming is appropriate.
Wikingus
16:50, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
The article Socialist Republic of Slovenia gives the date 8 March 1990 as the date of disestablishment, however this article doesn't mention it. Why not? I think it should be mentioned here in the infobox, as SR Slovenia was succeeded by the Republic of Slovenia. (For a related discussion, the conclusion of which should perhaps be revised, see also [2]) -- Eleassar my talk 23:15, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
The images in the sections describing the history of Slovenia in the 20th century are almost solely about the war (Renče, Partisan cap, execution of a civilian, Rožna Dolina fighting), destruction (National Hall) or Communist oppression (Square of the Republic, even not depicting a historical event). Is this truly representative of the century? It seems skewed to me. What about including a photo of the proclamation of independence in 1991 and some other instead? -- Eleassar my talk 09:05, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
-- Tone 09:49, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
I removed a mention of Yugoslavia from the lead sentence ("[Slovenia is] is the westernmost and the northernmost of the former Yugoslav Republics") for the following reasons:
1.) While Yugoslavia is an important part of Slovenia's history (and is discussed in the article's history section, and even further down in the lead paragraph), it's not automatically more significant than, say, Slovenia's Austro-Hungarian past. In both cases, we're dealing with history.
2.) Describing a country's current geographical placement by referring to a historical geopolitical entity seems inherently problematic. -- WorldWide Update ( talk) 21:24, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
What I'm thinking about is whether the article is not too Slovene-centered, putting too much emphasis on the Slovene nation and disregarding other nations in the Slovenian territory. The German perspective, history and influence seem to be entirely missing from the 'History' section. -- Eleassar my talk 10:57, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
I agree. At least for the mid/late 19th century, a sentence or two about the Germans should be added (and in the previous session, it should be stressed that most of contemporary Slovenia was part of the German cultural sphere). Viator slovenicus ( talk) 17:35, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
I think that the paragraph about the resistance against the Avars and the formation of Carantania should be revised. Per P. Štih, [5] the Duchy of Carantania was not established by Slavs: "Karantanci, za katere smo rekli, da jih ne moremo enačiti s Slovenci, prav tako niso bili istovetni s Slovani, ki so se konec 6. stoletja naselili v koroški prostor, ampak so se v novo, karantansko etnično skupnost izoblikovali tudi iz staroselcev nekdanje rimske province Norik, v ta proces pa so bili očitno vključeni še Hrvati, o katerih prisotnosti v koroškem prostoru pričajo krajevna imena, pa tudi kakšni avarski ali germanski drobci in nemara celo Dudlebi in Bolgari." ["The Carantanians, for whom we said that can't be equaled with the Slovenes, were not identical to the Slavs, who settled in the Carinthian space at the end of the 6th century, but were formed into a new, Carantanian ethnic community also from the native inhabitants of the former Roman province of Noricum, and the process seemingly included also the Croats, the presence of whom is attested with place names, and also some Avarian and German fragments and perhaps even the Dudlebs and the Bulgars.] -- Eleassar my talk 09:43, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
The Carantanian ethnic identity was formed by a merger of different peoples, one of them were Slavs.
Justice and Reason ( talk) 10:46, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
No ethnic community is completely homogeneous. However, one can't disregard the numerous early medieval sources that equate Carantanians with Slavs (nor the earlier research by historians like Bogo Grafenauer that stressed the quite radical discontinuity in the topography of the Eastern Alps after the Slavic settlement); despite the obvious fact that there were different ethnic groups present in the Carantanian space, the Slavic hegemony and the ethnic continuity with modern Slovenes seem two rather undisputed facts. How would you rephrase the sentences/ paragparphs? Viator slovenicus ( talk) 17:44, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
"In 1848, a mass political and popular movement for the United Slovenia (Zedinjena Slovenija) emerged as part of the Spring of Nations movement within the Austrian Empire."
Incorrect. The movement was supported mostly by intellectuals. Most Slovenes were still too preoccupied with other things to be engaged in national sentiments.
A widespread national movement emerged in the 1860s. That is when the majority of Slovenes gained a national consciousness. The movement did draw a lot from the United Slovenia sentiments, among other things. But back in 1848, the movement was still limited to a relatively small circle.
Justice and Reason ( talk) 18:00, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
I've found a great resource for more up-to-date data on Slovenia, and from a reputable source no less. ( http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/slovenia/) -- Zurkhardo ( talk) 01:02, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi, what's your opinion on the material recently added by User:DancingPhilosopher about how Janša's directors were frustrated etc? [6] I've removed it temporarily, at least until a consensus is formed about its inclusion or exclusion, due to WP:NEWSORG: "Editorial commentary and opinion pieces, whether written by the editors of the publication (opinion pieces) or outside authors ( op-eds) are reliable primary sources for attributed statements as to the opinion of the author, but are rarely reliable for statements of fact." These claims were not attributed to Damjan in the article and are, according to the cited guideline, not reliable for statements of fact. In this case we should be especially prudent as they discuss a living person (J. Janša). -- Eleassar my talk 09:31, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
The article, as it stands now, conveys the message that "The Italian occupation policy in the Province of Ljubljana gave Slovenes cultural autonomy..." "a resistance movement led by the Liberation Front of the Slovene Nation, emerged in both the Italian and in the German occupation zones" "The Italian Army reacted with brutal repression, which included war crimes against the civilian population". It seems like if the Italians were generous towards the Slovenes and their later violence, including war crimes, was simply a reaction to the resistance movement and somehow the own guilt of the Slovenes. If this is so, it should be appropriately referenced. Otherwise, the section should be rewritten to avoid such impression. -- Eleassar my talk 08:22, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
I'm sure we can find plenty of Italian history books in favor of such account ;)) Any suggestions on how to rephrase it? Viator slovenicus ( talk) 17:48, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
Yeah - this sound like "When did you stop beating your wife?" kind of phrasing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.250.30.129 ( talk) 13:24, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
I think esthetic criteria should also be followed in the choice of pictures. Images with a good composition & interesting, captivating subject should be given preference. For example, the image of Potočka Zijalka: can't we get a better picture illustrating ancient history than a hopelessly amateurish photo apparently showing the entrance to a hole (I say apparently, because one can only see a bunch of dull rocks, surrounded by total darkness ...)? Viator slovenicus ( talk) 09:37, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
I agree, the Vače situla photo is mediocre (to say the least). The caption is laconic, but it can be expanded. I've also checked out the photos available, and I've seen it's rather poor. Of course, it comes down to a matter of taste/ judgement,... but seriously: the image of Potočka Zijalka is very bad. You can't discern anything on it. Are we sure we don't have anything at least slightly better (and not from the Littoral)? What about the Negau Helmets? What about this file: commons:File:Ptuj8.jpg? It's the remain of a Roman tomb from Ptuj ("Monument of Orpheus"). Viator slovenicus ( talk) 12:57, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
I completely agree with you regarding the significance: but unfortunately the photo of PZ is inadeuqate. Maybe you also should visit that soon ;)) Cheers, Viator slovenicus ( talk) 16:22, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Although I missed the above discussion, I agree that none of the PZ images is really good enough to have a place in the Prehistory section. What about the wooden wheel, maybe someone can go and make a photography of it? -- DancingPhilosopher my talk 14:16, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Where to insert info about them in the article about Italy. |
There is no mention in the article of the 'Istrian exodus', i.e. the (forced or less forced) emigration of Italians from the territories given to Yugoslavia after WWII. I think it should be mentioned as it had a significant impact on reducing the Italian minority in Slovenia to the current tiny size. The coast of Slovenia (Koper/Capodistria, Piran/Pirano etc.) was actually populated by a vast majority of Italians until WWII. 92.77.101.216 ( talk) 19:22, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Slovenia article, and I agree, rhere is no mention in the article of the 'Istrian exodus'. -- Eleassar my talk 12:11, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
Strange statement in article: "During World War II, Slovenia was occupied and annexed by Germany, Italy, Croatia, and Hungary." What does that mean? Are you saying that Germany annexed it, then the Italians kicked out the Germans & took over, then Croatia, etc.? Are you saying the divided it up, & each took a piece? ( EnochBethany ( talk) 13:50, 19 March 2014 (UTC))
Hi, came across this article and although it is well cited overall there are some parts that may need some citations. Instead of adding citation tags in the article, I thought it may be better to mention some of them here in talk:) Here are the words in the WWII section that probably need some references if a wiki-Slovenia expert can oblige: 'Some Slovenes collaborated with the Axis powers, with the German-sponsored Slovene Home Guard having 21,000 members at the peak of its power. Main part of them was part of auxiliary SS units. More than 30,000 Partisans died fighting Axis forces and their collaborators. Approximately 8% of Slovenes died during WWII in the Slovene territories.
In 1945, Yugoslavia liberated itself and shortly thereafter became a nominally federal Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. Slovenia joined the federation as a socialist republic; its own Communist Party was formed in 1937. After the withdrawal of the Axis forces, the vast majority of the previously relocated Gottscheers were deported or fled to Austria and Germany.' Coolabahapple ( talk) 12:39, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Slovenia is a poor country and definitelly not the richest of the slavic speaking countries. The poverty, unemployment, corruption increased since the state joined the NATO, EU and Euro currency. The public debt to GDP ratio increased from 20% (2004) to 85% (source: http://www.debtclocks.eu/public-debt-and-budget-deficit-of-slovenia.html) in 2014 and keeps increasing. If the trend will continue then Slovenia will have a 100% of public debt to GDP ratio in year 2017 ( https://www.quandl.com/data/SGE/SVNGDG-Slovenia-Government-Debt-to-GDP.png?dataset[collapse]=monthly&dataset[graph_title]=Debt+to+GDP+-+Slovenia&dataset[height]=300&dataset[width]=450 , http://psn.sdn.si/sn/img/s975x650/14/093/635321447791809026_skupnidolg_975px_140403.jpg )
Here is some review from Azernews about Slovenia: "The recent financial and economic crisis in the world has further complicated the situation in a number of countries. Earlier, the economy of these countries was also precarious. Slovenia is one of such countries.
According to the reports of the international financial agencies and other authoritative international organizations, Slovenia’s credit rating has recently significantly decreased. The external debts sharply increased. Investors began to leave the country. The unemployment reached a record level. The poverty began covering a large part of the population.
According to the reports of the US Heritage Foundation and Wall Street Journal about the economic freedom level in the world’s countries, Slovenia has been one of the European countries with the largest economic lag for the last five years.
A lack of the national development strategy, a failure of holding the democratic processes in the society and legal reforms at the proper level in Slovenia have also created favorable conditions for the corruption. It is not a coincidence that according to the European Commission’s last year's report on corruption, around 91 percent of the population confirmed the facts of corruption in the country.
A lack of any breakthrough in eliminating of corruption in Slovenia has been stressed in various reports of the CE Anti-Corruption Group.
The recent facts of the corruption among the high-level officials in the country caused great resonance in the world.
The international experts periodically informed that the corruption cases covered almost all areas in Slovenia.
According to the World Economic Forum’s Global Competitiveness Report for 2013-2014, the corruption has been called as one of the most serious problems for the business activity in Slovenia.
The international reports point to some problems in Slovenia in connection with the human rights. Such facts as violence against women and children, human trafficking, harsh detention conditions, social differences and other similar facts have been mentioned.
The above mentioned factors cause serious problems for the prospects of Slovenia’s future development.
This situation forces Slovenia’s senior representatives to appeal to the countries with strong economy. The main purpose of Slovenian State Council chairman Mitya Bervar’s visit to Azerbaijan is connected with obtaining financial aid from the country. It would be nice if such visits were based on mutually beneficial cooperation."
source: http://www.azernews.az/azerbaijan/78520.html
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eg Melania Trump, born Melanija Knavs in Novo Mesto, current First Lady of the USA, married to 45th President Donald Trump.
Arguable whether her origin says much about Slovenia or is worth mentioning on Slovenia's wiki page. I think it is ... at least, it's the reason I was interested to look up this page. Presumably others will do the same. M@T arragano ( talk) 00:51, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
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First lady of the United States of America Melania Trump is a Slovenian-born fashion model who is the second First Lady of the U.S. to be born outside the U.S.A. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pronsias ( talk • contribs) 15:20, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
I have removed the recent additions by the user Realslovenian. In addition to no sources being cited, the material was largely inaccurate and/or unencyclopedic. Among other things: 1) "massive emigration" does not cause population growth and is not in the source cited; 2) Slovenian is not an "ancient language," the dual is not "a complex phenonenon" and does not pervade all aspects of the language, the dialects vary in distinctiveness and how many are reckoned, clarity/understandability are subjective, Slovenian has no vocative; and 3) phrases like "slew of" are unencyclopedic and English capitalizes proper nouns and adjectives. All of these issues are covered more accurately at the appertaining articles. Doremo ( talk) 11:41, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi , as you might be aware Slovenia is under google search as "Country in the Balkans" , however historically and culturally many people would disagree.
If we look at Scandinavian countries and Baltic ones, all of them say 'Country in Europe' when searched on google, therefore not specialised. I propose to change it to 'Country in Europe' as it is more accurante, and other balkan countries are not... It was so around 1 year ago, and culturally speaking the majority of slovenians would also view this as more correct.
Let me know what you think.
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Its part south of Sava river belongs to the Balkan peninsula – i.e. Southeastern Europe. Jingiby ( talk) 17:00, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
There is nothing "scientific" about a word like Balkans. It's just a label. Originally Ottoman Europe, including Greece -- but Greece is seldom included in the Balkans today. Originally not including Slovenia, but later it did, because Slovenia was part of Yugoslavia. But arguing about whether it "is" or "isn't" is futile. You can say that it is/isn't per the definition of the Council of Europe, or National Geographic, or whatever, but absent an agreed international definition, a simple claim one way or the other is meaningless. Also, per our Balkans article, just part of Slovenia is included in the definition they prefer (and outline on the map), which means at best (worst?), Slovenia's on the northern fringe. — kwami ( talk) 05:41, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
"Western Balkans" is an EU neologism, but it does exclude Slovenia. The CIA site classifies it as Central European, as does our Central Europe article. I've always seen Slovenia as Central European. It may be that they're trying to distance themselves from the Balkans, but so what? The word doesn't have any set meaning anyway. — kwami ( talk) 05:59, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
I was invited to comment by Jingiby. The term Balkan doesn't even appear in the lead, so I'm not sure why this is a big deal. "Southeastern Europe" is certainly correct and should remain. Srnec ( talk) 23:15, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
is in Central Europe and Southeastern Europeis just as hopeless, since that may be interpreted as if part of the country is in Central Europe and part in Southeastern Europe, which again would presuppose well-defined region borders.
is a country located at the crossroads of main European cultural and trade routes. The next sentence defines it precisely in relation to other states and the Adriatic.
(though, again, without universal agreement on its component states), which was rather my point.
The old discussion again. My idea was Slovenia is part from the Balkans and Southeastern Europe and also from Central Europe. Another editor insisted only on Central Europe and changed the article several times to this biased view. Now it was done again but in another form, i.e. Slovenia lies "in the central part of Europe". This is not correct neither politically nor geographically, moreover no consensus for such change was reached thanks. Jingiby ( talk) 12:58, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
200 people is not enough to have it mentioned. It's not an established religion with a long tradition in Slovenia. -- 2001:16B8:31CF:AA00:C1E0:C9F1:3A3B:E1D3 ( talk) 16:36, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
It is currently being proposed that Category:Slavic countries and territories be deleted. This article is part of that category. The relevant discussion is located at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 January 8#Countries and territories by language family. The discussion would benefit from input from editors with a knowledge of and interest in Slovenia. Krakkos ( talk) 11:06, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Dear Starangel19,
please have in mind that Habsburg Monarchy was not a country, but an unofficial apellation of the lands ruled by the Hasburg Kings. Inthese section, we list countries, and Kingdom of Hungary is apellated, which had among others as well Habsurg Kings, thus it is even more accurate since it covers as well the times before 1526.( KIENGIR ( talk) 02:59, 9 February 2020 (UTC))
Marjan Šarec resigned on 27 January. Janez Janša is "prime minister-designate". [11] Who is "the prime minister" for the purposes of this article?
Hi guys, I can't get the iso3166code parameter of the infobox to work properly. I've asked for help at the template's talk page here, so help is coming (hopefully!) Dr. Vogel ( talk) 18:09, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Regarding the unexplained anonymous edit made on Thursday - I fail to understand the basis for it. Slovenia is a country geographically, politically and culturally a part of Central Europe. There is an ongoing (and longlasting) dispute about whether or not it lies partly in the Balkans, but given the fact the Balkans has no exact geographical boundaries, it is only alternatively (even the main articles on Central and South Eastern Europe claim so) placed in South Eastern Europe (and under no conditions in Eastern Europe), with a majority of scholars giving it a benefit of doubt and placing the country exclusively in Central Europe both because of the Alps as well as its shared history with the rest of Central Europe via the Habsburg Empire. I would love to hear the explanation from the editor himself (and yes, I did read the previous discussion on this topic - I believe Oksfjord made a pretty good point there explaining it). Should there be no further explanation from the editor, I plan to revert to the previous version regarding the placement of Slovenia in Europe (i.e. to Central Europe exclusively). 93.103.162.81 ( talk) 10:24, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
In my opinion, the 'Notes' tab contained within the article should be removed unless any information can be added to it as in my opinion it is pointless having an empty tab in the article. Xboxsponge15 ( talk) 16:16, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
Foreign Office (i.e. British civil authority, but not the military) policy was indeed initially, as you say, in favor of 'hand-over' of the Italian war criminals, but the British and American military authorities in Italy were against it (p.520)
[2], but the Foreign Office changed its policy (ibid., p.523), too, when in 1946 the possibility was that Italian communists would win the Italian general election, which would open Italy to Soviet influence, so they decided to drop the case and let Italy do the job (ibid., p.526) resulting in the (highly indicative) fate of Graziani and Roatta (ibid., p.525). The British concern to secure the electoral victory of the Christian Democrats "prompted Britain to drop all of its war crimes claims against Italy" (ibid., p.527). See the screenshots from the scholarly article via JStor.org
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The word for "center" is literally the same in Slovenian, so don't correct any official nouns from government ministries with "Center" in it (they use same word in English/Slovenian translations). Ex: Ministry of Science's "Science Center Ljubljana"
http://www.sadarvuga.com/project/the-center-of-science-ljubljana/ Ministry of Finance's "Center of Excellence in Finance"
https://www.cef-see.org/about-us DataCenter Ljubjana
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In the Iron Age, present-day Slovenia was inhabited by Illyrian and Celtic tribes until the 1st century BC. citation needed <--- editors who are maintaining this article could easily take references from the articles on Illyrians and Celts and supply the proper inline ref. Do so, and this can be returned to the article. Thanks. 50.111.40.110 ( talk) 19:38, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
I have removed " , and has since been the largest sole energy producer, accounting for of the gross energy production in 2018" aside from something being missing between for and of, this relates to a medium sized hydro power station that is unlikely to be "the largest sole energy producer" however you interpret sole energy producer. Ϣere SpielChequers 11:54, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
In the first paragraph it says: "has a population of 2.1 million (2,108,708 people)." and cites https://www.infoplease.com/countries/slovenia as a source. However on that page it says Population (2014 est.): 1,988,292. So should we fix it and / or cite a page with another & more recent info? – Wayfarer ( talk) 13:16, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
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