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Aren't they generally known as the Slansky Trials, not the Prague Trials? -- TheMightyQuill 14:52, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
The closest book within reach of my desk, H. Gordon Skilling's Czechoslovakia's Interrupted Revolution 1976, refers to them as "the Slansky trials" (as well as the singular when referring to just Slansky's case). Plus there's Ahasuerus's google search above. The official title would be great though. Should we include it in Czech /w an English translation? -- TheMightyQuill 14:41, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
The trials were the result of a split within the Communist leadership on the degree to which the state should emulate the Soviet Union, and were part of a Stalin-inspired purge of "disloyal" elements in the national Communist parties in Central Europe, as well as an anti-semitic purge of Jews from the leadership of Communist parties
There is absolutely no evidence that Jews were targetted for expulsion in East European Communist parties. During Stalin, the Jews Hilary Minc and Jakub Berman remained as top leaders in Poland until 1956. In Hungary, the Jews Matyas Rakosi and Erno Gero were in the top leadership until 1956.
I disagree-
"Jews were purged from the Romanian party and government post in these years, as they were in East Germany and Poland, two other countries where one faction of the party could mobilize popular anti-Jewish sentiment against the Party's own 'cosmopolitans.'...Hans Jendretsky, demanded Jews-'enemies of the state'-be excluded from public life..." - P. 184 "Postwar: a history of Europe since 1945" by Tony Judt
"...Two characteristics marked this trial out from all those preceding it. Prosocutors an witnesses repeatedly emphasized the Jewishness of most of the accused- 'the cosmopolitan Rudolf Margolius', Slansky...the great hope of all the Jews in the Communist Party,' 'representatives of international Zionism,' etc. 'Jewish origan' (sometimes 'Zionist origin') served as presumption of guilt, of anti-Communist, anti-Czech intentions..." p. 186 "Postwar: a history of Europe since 1945" by Tony Judt -- Miglewis ( talk) 19:41, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
See http://iseees.berkeley.edu/bps/publications/2009-08-Blumenthal.pdf -- Miglewis ( talk) 19:52, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
so do I
I recommend Yevgenia Albats book "The KGB A State Within a State" . Albats does an extensive well documented research on KGB col. Vladimir Ananyevich Boyarsky who was the Soviet adviser of the Czech state security organs and the man who kicked loose the Slansky trial. Albats gives some strong proof of antisemitic tendencies in this case and others. The number of Jews amongst the defendants gives us another clue and the migration figures of Russian Jews speak their own language. Albats herself by the way claims to have faced great difficulties enrolling in a Soviet university due to her last name. The fact that some Jews remained in high positions is no proof to the contrary. It´s mainly down to the lack of a "rule of law". A totalitarian state can make rules as it can make exceptions and it can change break or bend it´s own rules at will. Alien Visitor ( talk) 02:38, 22 December 2012 (UTC) [1]
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I think the idea that the trial was meant as a warning to opposition within the KSC is way off base. Slansky was not an opposition figure, nor were any of te others in thi group. Clementis was known to b a bit more Western oriented but he was hardly disloyal to the Party leadership. All accusations were staged and invented. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.233.216.211 ( talk) 16:38, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
According to the book Double Lives by Stephen Koch, Noel Field was heavily connected to the Slánský trials... AnonMoos ( talk) 23:30, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
The name Noel Field pops up very often during the post war Stalinist cleansings of eastern Europe´s communist parties, in fact so often that it seems doubtful in most cases, that the accused had ever heard that name before they wrote their "confessions". Alien Visitor ( talk) 02:50, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
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Hi. I have attempted twice to fix what was wrong with a section in which it is claimed that the Israeli cabinet discussed putting members of the Israeli Communist Party in "concentration camps".
This is what the International section of this article contained originally, before I first edited it: "The Israeli government considered suppressing Maki, the Israeli communist party, even to the point of throwing communist activists in concentration camps. citation needed Golda Meir and Pinhas Lavon were opposed, and the cabinet eventually decided that Maki was not a significant threat to the political order. [1]"
Please note that the tag appears before a second sentence, which is the one with the citation. The tag clearly pertains to the claim (which I suspect to be not only false but laughably so) that the Israeli cabinet contemplated putting their domestic communists in concentration camps.
So I said, cite that or take it out. I was reverted, as if claims about concentration camps are normal here and we can all wait a few months for it to get sorted out. I reverted back, as, no if you can't cite a claim about concentration camps, you certainly need to take it out of an encyclopedia.
Then I was reverted again, apparently by someone who thought the citation at the end was what we're arguing about. I don't think we are, though it's hard to check a quote that's in a book I don't have.
I'll be honest, I'm trying to follow the rule of assuming good faith, but I have trouble with the idea that anyone can countenance blathering about concentration camps without feeling the need to cite those who deal in evidence, particularly because anti-Semitism often takes the form of baselessly accusing Jews of doing what they have had done to them. If you are editing in good faith, I'm sure you can understand that worry.
If you can cite sources on this, then do so. Explicitly - if the Wein book says this, quote me the words from pages 161-162 that show this. Zachary Klaas ( talk) 00:33, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
The article does not provide any direct evidence of antisemitic intent, as opposed to anti-Zionist. The only direct quote in the article describes the accusations as those of Zionism; If the papers cited quote primary sources supporting the claims as they stand those materials should be brought into the article as is, otherwise the sources would have to be qualified accordingly.
"Antisemitic" also needs a standalone verification in the lead as per MOS:LEADCITE and contentious topics practices. Orchastrattor ( talk) 03:46, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
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Aren't they generally known as the Slansky Trials, not the Prague Trials? -- TheMightyQuill 14:52, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
The closest book within reach of my desk, H. Gordon Skilling's Czechoslovakia's Interrupted Revolution 1976, refers to them as "the Slansky trials" (as well as the singular when referring to just Slansky's case). Plus there's Ahasuerus's google search above. The official title would be great though. Should we include it in Czech /w an English translation? -- TheMightyQuill 14:41, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
The trials were the result of a split within the Communist leadership on the degree to which the state should emulate the Soviet Union, and were part of a Stalin-inspired purge of "disloyal" elements in the national Communist parties in Central Europe, as well as an anti-semitic purge of Jews from the leadership of Communist parties
There is absolutely no evidence that Jews were targetted for expulsion in East European Communist parties. During Stalin, the Jews Hilary Minc and Jakub Berman remained as top leaders in Poland until 1956. In Hungary, the Jews Matyas Rakosi and Erno Gero were in the top leadership until 1956.
I disagree-
"Jews were purged from the Romanian party and government post in these years, as they were in East Germany and Poland, two other countries where one faction of the party could mobilize popular anti-Jewish sentiment against the Party's own 'cosmopolitans.'...Hans Jendretsky, demanded Jews-'enemies of the state'-be excluded from public life..." - P. 184 "Postwar: a history of Europe since 1945" by Tony Judt
"...Two characteristics marked this trial out from all those preceding it. Prosocutors an witnesses repeatedly emphasized the Jewishness of most of the accused- 'the cosmopolitan Rudolf Margolius', Slansky...the great hope of all the Jews in the Communist Party,' 'representatives of international Zionism,' etc. 'Jewish origan' (sometimes 'Zionist origin') served as presumption of guilt, of anti-Communist, anti-Czech intentions..." p. 186 "Postwar: a history of Europe since 1945" by Tony Judt -- Miglewis ( talk) 19:41, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
See http://iseees.berkeley.edu/bps/publications/2009-08-Blumenthal.pdf -- Miglewis ( talk) 19:52, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
so do I
I recommend Yevgenia Albats book "The KGB A State Within a State" . Albats does an extensive well documented research on KGB col. Vladimir Ananyevich Boyarsky who was the Soviet adviser of the Czech state security organs and the man who kicked loose the Slansky trial. Albats gives some strong proof of antisemitic tendencies in this case and others. The number of Jews amongst the defendants gives us another clue and the migration figures of Russian Jews speak their own language. Albats herself by the way claims to have faced great difficulties enrolling in a Soviet university due to her last name. The fact that some Jews remained in high positions is no proof to the contrary. It´s mainly down to the lack of a "rule of law". A totalitarian state can make rules as it can make exceptions and it can change break or bend it´s own rules at will. Alien Visitor ( talk) 02:38, 22 December 2012 (UTC) [1]
References
I think the idea that the trial was meant as a warning to opposition within the KSC is way off base. Slansky was not an opposition figure, nor were any of te others in thi group. Clementis was known to b a bit more Western oriented but he was hardly disloyal to the Party leadership. All accusations were staged and invented. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.233.216.211 ( talk) 16:38, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
According to the book Double Lives by Stephen Koch, Noel Field was heavily connected to the Slánský trials... AnonMoos ( talk) 23:30, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
The name Noel Field pops up very often during the post war Stalinist cleansings of eastern Europe´s communist parties, in fact so often that it seems doubtful in most cases, that the accused had ever heard that name before they wrote their "confessions". Alien Visitor ( talk) 02:50, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
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Hi. I have attempted twice to fix what was wrong with a section in which it is claimed that the Israeli cabinet discussed putting members of the Israeli Communist Party in "concentration camps".
This is what the International section of this article contained originally, before I first edited it: "The Israeli government considered suppressing Maki, the Israeli communist party, even to the point of throwing communist activists in concentration camps. citation needed Golda Meir and Pinhas Lavon were opposed, and the cabinet eventually decided that Maki was not a significant threat to the political order. [1]"
Please note that the tag appears before a second sentence, which is the one with the citation. The tag clearly pertains to the claim (which I suspect to be not only false but laughably so) that the Israeli cabinet contemplated putting their domestic communists in concentration camps.
So I said, cite that or take it out. I was reverted, as if claims about concentration camps are normal here and we can all wait a few months for it to get sorted out. I reverted back, as, no if you can't cite a claim about concentration camps, you certainly need to take it out of an encyclopedia.
Then I was reverted again, apparently by someone who thought the citation at the end was what we're arguing about. I don't think we are, though it's hard to check a quote that's in a book I don't have.
I'll be honest, I'm trying to follow the rule of assuming good faith, but I have trouble with the idea that anyone can countenance blathering about concentration camps without feeling the need to cite those who deal in evidence, particularly because anti-Semitism often takes the form of baselessly accusing Jews of doing what they have had done to them. If you are editing in good faith, I'm sure you can understand that worry.
If you can cite sources on this, then do so. Explicitly - if the Wein book says this, quote me the words from pages 161-162 that show this. Zachary Klaas ( talk) 00:33, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
The article does not provide any direct evidence of antisemitic intent, as opposed to anti-Zionist. The only direct quote in the article describes the accusations as those of Zionism; If the papers cited quote primary sources supporting the claims as they stand those materials should be brought into the article as is, otherwise the sources would have to be qualified accordingly.
"Antisemitic" also needs a standalone verification in the lead as per MOS:LEADCITE and contentious topics practices. Orchastrattor ( talk) 03:46, 26 October 2023 (UTC)